That afternoon, I was very pleased to see Vishnu, the avatar of an old friend of mine in RL. He had recently entered SL, and had just began to explore the virtual world a bit. As soon as I saw him walking up to the tea house, over the bridge, Storm appeared as well.
Pema Pera: Hi Vishnu!
Vishnu Duranjaya: hi pema
Pema Pera: Hi Storm!
Pema Pera: Meet Vishnu
Storm Nordwind: A real avatar! :)
Pema Pera: Vishnu, meet Storm
Vishnu Duranjaya: hi storm
Storm Nordwind: I have met avatars of Vishnu before! :)
Vishnu Duranjaya: actually, that from which avatars came from….
Vishnu was refering to the Indian God Vishnu, the one who incarnates in the world, taking up human form as what has been called traditionally an avatar, the original Sanskrit term that then got picked up to describe how RL people `incarnate’ in virtual worlds . . . We were still standing outside, and hadn’t decided yet whether to sit down on the benches there or go into the tea house.
Storm Nordwind: Inside or outside?
Vishnu Duranjaya: Either is fine with me
Pema Pera: inside?
Pema Pera: it may rain soon again ;>)
Storm Nordwind shrugs
Vishnu Duranjaya: ok
Pema Pera: Vishnu is an old friend of mine in RL, Storm
Pema Pera: one of the few I am meeting here whom I have already met in RL ;>)
Storm Nordwind: I’m pleased to meet you Vishnu
Vishnu Duranjaya: Nice to meet you too Storm
Pema Pera: first time for Vishnu and me to meet in SL, or almost (a few minutes long we saw each other, last month)
Pema Pera: have you gotten used to SL a bit, Vishnu?
Vishnu Duranjaya: not really
Vishnu Duranjaya: finding my way through second samsara still
Pema Pera: hahaha
Pema Pera: yes
Pema Pera: samsara it is!
Storm Nordwind: second? one is bad enough! :)
Pema Pera: complex . . .
Pema Pera: SS, Second Samsara
I had told Vishnu about our PaB project before, and was curious to hear his feedback.
Pema Pera: have you gotten a chance to peek at the Play as Being blog?
Vishnu Duranjaya: looked at a few of the blog entries
Vishnu Duranjaya: SS indeed
Pema Pera: now I wonder about Second Nirvana . . .
Storm Nordwind: One might be excluded through greediness!
Pema Pera: what did you think about the blog entries?
Pema Pera: did something come across or was it hard to sense the context
Vishnu Duranjaya: interesting. but i am still getting used to SS conversations
Vishnu Duranjaya: the context is a bit opaque, but I was also not trying very hard to decipher it
Pema Pera: yes, it’s a different culture
Vishnu Duranjaya: part of it is that i am still carrying over some of the assumptions of RS. Slowly dropping them though :)
Pema Pera: Vishnu and I have exchanged email for years about the nature of reality . . .;)
Pema Pera: RS?
Vishnu Duranjaya: Real Samsara
Pema Pera: Ah!
Pema Pera: what do you think about the idea of 9-second practice every 15 minutes?
Vishnu Duranjaya: In a Zen retreat that renomenclature seems OK to me…..
Vishnu Duranjaya: its interesting
Pema Pera: have you tried it a bit?
Vishnu Duranjaya: unfortunately, not. I havent been to SL really since I came
Storm Nordwind: I think you can do it entirely in RL
Pema Pera: yes
Pema Pera: and just for a few hours only if you like
Storm Nordwind: This is just a convenient meeting point for discussion
Pema Pera: if you do it for a few days, say, one hour a day, that is then few x 4 x 9 seconds is two minutes in total . . . .
Vishnu Duranjaya: I figured. Let me try to excuse myself another way; Since I wasnt in the discussions I wasnt doing it in RL. Ah, I am just lazy
Storm Nordwind: A fine admission. I appreciate an honesty like that :)
Vishnu Duranjaya: Pema knows my laziness well enough.
Vishnu Duranjaya: So its easy to admit it
We talked about our RL backgrounds.
Storm Nordwind: What is your background in RL Vishnu?
Vishnu Duranjaya: Mathematics/Cognitive Science and Reality Studies….
Storm Nordwind: A very interesting mix
Storm Nordwind: Naturally informing each other perhaps
Vishnu Duranjaya: Somewhat. It could be better. But I try to give it a shot
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Vishnu Duranjaya: How about you Storm
Storm Nordwind: Well first i should say that I was breaking SL etiquette by enquiring into your RL background so soon
Storm Nordwind: But as Pema had broached a relationship I thought it OK in this occasion
Vishnu Duranjaya: Pema, sorry, I just felt like saying that we have moved from RL to RL/2 (email and meetings) to SL; a slow but steady shift of samsaras
Storm Nordwind groans
Vishnu Duranjaya: Thats ok
Storm Nordwind: Well my background is very wide!
Storm Nordwind: I currently teach engineers how to be other than unsociable geeks!
Vishnu Duranjaya: ok
Storm Nordwind: I do that in industry itself rather that at any academic institution
Vishnu Duranjaya: thats interesting
Storm Nordwind: My interest in Play as Being comes from a long spiritual study over the last 35 years
Vishnu Duranjaya: ok
Vishnu Duranjaya: pema, is there a structure to these discussions or do they tend to be free flowing
Storm Nordwind nods at the excellent question
Pema Pera: very free flowing
Pema Pera: no structure ;>)
Vishnu Duranjaya: ok
Pema Pera: but the theme is play and Being
Pema Pera: both
Pema Pera: and playing as Being in particular
Vishnu Duranjaya: hmm
Pema Pera: but more than half the time we talk about other things
Pema Pera: so everything goes!
The conversation moved to the notion of play, so central in our activities here.
Vishnu Duranjaya: SL is very suited to playing
Pema Pera: yes
Pema Pera: the more I do this , four weeks here now, the more I see how absolutely central play is
Pema Pera: for me at least
Pema Pera: in integrating what I have learned through contemplation
Pema Pera: meditation
Pema Pera: reading
Pema Pera: talking
Pema Pera: in short
Pema Pera: all that I have learned
Vishnu Duranjaya: i think thats why stories are so important in the traditional versions of contemplation; especially stories told tongue in cheek by a master/guru
Pema Pera: yes
Storm Nordwind: And perhaps here we have an emanation of Lila!
Pema Pera: YES!
Vishnu Duranjaya: hmm
Pema Pera: I love the lila notion
Pema Pera: you’ve used that too, right, Vishnu?
Pema Pera: in earlier conversations
Vishnu Duranjaya: yes
Vishnu Duranjaya: RL conversations
We returned to our main theme, PaB.
Pema Pera: in a typical zen story, a zen practitioner would spend, say, six years to look deeply into reality and then, say, twenty years to integrate what was seen into daily life
Pema Pera: What we’re trying to do here, as a community, is to start at the end
Vishnu Duranjaya: as in integration first?
Pema Pera: we start integrating and then we use that to invite practice to follow
Pema Pera: filling the gaps
Vishnu Duranjaya: ok
Pema Pera: so we shoot holes into our conventional covering of reality
Pema Pera: every 15 minutes a little hole
Pema Pera: and see what shines through
Vishnu Duranjaya: ok
Pema Pera: and let that seduce us to go deeper into it
Pema Pera: leading to natural immersion into what you might call forms of contemplation
Pema Pera: or just natural Being
Storm Nordwind: I sometimes find something quite startling
Storm Nordwind: When you shoot holes on the conventional covering of reality…
Storm Nordwind: istead of of just being able to see through…
Storm Nordwind: I find that reality, or what we conventionally call reality, falls right into the hole!
Pema Pera: yes, anything can happen, and it is wonderful when that happens — it is always fresh and surprising!
Neighbor Isen walked in. I was glad to see more of him, lately.
Storm Nordwind: Welcome Isen!
Pema Pera: Hi Isen!
Isen Enzo: Hiya.
Vishnu Duranjaya: Hi isen
Pema Pera: Come join us!
Pema Pera: We are talking about integration and meditation
Pema Pera: and how the 9-sec practice that I’ve suggested starts with integration
Pema Pera: every 15 minutes
Pema Pera: and so invites meditation
Pema Pera: rather than the other way around
Isen Enzo: 9 second practice, I like that…
Pema Pera: of course ideally both of them should go hand in hand
Pema Pera: yes, it started as an April fools joke
Storm refered to Isen’s new glasses, which made him look very distinguished.
Storm Nordwind admire Isen’s new specs, and notices how scholarly he suddenly looks :)
Pema Pera: (^_^)
Isen Enzo: lol
Isen Enzo: Stuff…
Isen Enzo: costume..
Isen Enzo: but thanks!
Isen Enzo: lol
Vishnu Duranjaya: Hi All, I have to go now. I am beginning to get a sense for the holes that you are opening up. Will be back soon for more holiness.
Pema Pera: hahaha
Pema Pera: wonderful pun
Pema Pera: hadn’t thought about that one yet . . . .
Isen Enzo: His Holey ness..
Pema Pera: I thought you were holed up . . ..
Pema Pera: yeah
Storm Nordwind: It sounds like my memory. Which is like a…er … what do you call those holey things?
Isen Enzo: Don’t get Storm started…
Pema Pera: thanks for dropping by, Vishnu!
Vishnu Duranjaya: Hold on to your holes
At that point I remembered a conversation that Vishnu and I had had years ago, about pointlessness not of mathematics but in mathematics.
Pema Pera: hahaha
Pema Pera: as a mathematician I’m sure you’ve a lot to say about holes
Pema Pera: pointless holes, are there things like that for example?
Pema Pera: you once told me about pointless sets or such
Storm Nordwind: In electronics there are holes too
Vishnu Duranjaya: whats the point of disscussing those….
Isen Enzo: A holistic approach?
Pema Pera: I remember your pointless conversation from years ago
Storm Nordwind: yes!
Pema Pera: it really was a technical term!
Storm Nordwind laughs
Vishnu Duranjaya: it was
Pema Pera: was it category theory?
Vishnu Duranjaya: topos theory
Pema Pera: ah, a pointless topos?
Vishnu Duranjaya: which is in category theory
Vishnu Duranjaya: yes
Vishnu Duranjaya: you got my point
Isen Enzo: Holey Moley…
Pema Pera: you see, Storm and Isen thought I was just kidding!
Pema Pera: so there
Storm Nordwind: hehe!
Vishnu Duranjaya: holistic holology
Storm Nordwind: However, isen and I have a secret weapon
Isen Enzo: ?
Pema Pera: holology I like that
Storm Nordwind: We can dance
Isen Enzo: LOL
Isen Enzo: oh yeah!
Storm Nordwind: We can fill the hole room
Vishnu Duranjaya: ok, fellow holesters, i am packing my guns
Isen Enzo: hole lotta shakin goin on…
Vishnu Duranjaya: bye for now
Storm Nordwind: bfn
After all this good cheer, Vishnu was just about to leave when Isen started off a dance party
Isen Enzo: Chocolate Disco ♪
Isen Enzo: Chocolate Disco ♪
Pema Pera: チョコレイト・ディスコ ♪
Storm Nordwind: Namaste
Vishnu Duranjaya: Dhanyavad
Pema Pera: just a moment Vishnu!
Vishnu Duranjaya: OK
Pema Pera: Kessidri is about to drop out of the sky
Storm Nordwind: hi Kessidri
Kessidri Swamphen: hi again storm
Pema Pera: hi Kess!
Pema Pera: Meet Vishnu
Vishnu Duranjaya: hi kess
Kessidri Swamphen: hi pema!
Kessidri Swamphen: hi vishnu
Pema Pera: Kess, have you done the chocolate?
Kessidri Swamphen: nice to see you all
Kessidri Swamphen: im totally unprepared lol
Pema Pera: Isen!
Isen Enzo: New kinhin…
Pema Pera: チョコレイト・ディスコ ♪
Kessidri Swamphen: hi Isen
Isen Enzo: for the New World Dharma..
Isen Enzo: flying disco!!
Pema Pera: so you see, Vishnu, room for play here!
Either Isen or Storm just gave Kess the chocolate disco animation, or she still had that in her inventory from a previous visit. In any case, she soon joined in:
Kessidri Swamphen: チョコレイト・ディスコ ♪
Isen Enzo: Everybody’s doing it!
Kessidri Swamphen: ooooh
Isen Enzo: woo hoo…
Vishnu Duranjaya: all right, third time is the charm. this time, I am really leaving you to disco zen
Vishnu Duranjaya: bye
Isen Enzo: Nice to meet you V.
Vishnu Duranjaya: bye I
Pema Pera: bye Vishnu!
Isen Enzo: Bye.
Storm Nordwind: How is it that when Isen arrives, anarchy usually follows close behind? ;)
Isen Enzo: ?
Kessidri Swamphen: lol
Isen Enzo: !
Pema Pera: haha
Pema Pera: bespectacled anarchy
Isen switched the topic to his work on his monk’s robe.
Isen Enzo: I’ve been working on my kesa…
Pema Pera: yes
Isen Enzo: sewing practice..
Storm Nordwind: How’s it going Isen?
Storm Nordwind: Been told to unpick any?
Isen Enzo: “sutra” means thread.
Pema Pera: please sit down Kess and make yourself comfortable!
Isen Enzo: like “suture”..
Kessidri Swamphen: thankyou so mcuh
Isen Enzo: joins and connects …
Isen Enzo: very interesting…
Isen Enzo: no unpicking yet..
Isen Enzo: but living in a remote area…
Isen Enzo: with no teacher here…
Storm Nordwind: five panels if I remember rightly?
Isen Enzo: yes- 5
Isen Enzo: a “working” kesa…
Isen Enzo: the first of three..
Isen Enzo: anyhow- have to use digital camera..
Isen Enzo: and send progress photos..
Isen Enzo: for inspection..
Isen Enzo: digital dharma..
Kessidri Swamphen: lol
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Isen really got going about his clothes.
Isen Enzo: also interesting to see how the anthropometric sizing works…
Isen Enzo: kind of a “cubit” thing..
Isen Enzo: turns out the panel sewing takes anthropometric thread lenght as well…
Isen Enzo: and, boy!
Isen Enzo: it takes a lot of attention!!
Isen Enzo: I think its really a form of initation..
Isen Enzo: initation hazing!!
Isen Enzo: lol
Storm Nordwind smiles
Kessidri Swamphen: frowns - doesnt understand
Isen Enzo: kess,
Storm Nordwind: And when this kesa is complete, assuming you finish it without having to unpick everything, how long is expected to last? Will you ever have to make another 5 panel one?
Isen Enzo: a kesa is the “over-the-shoulder” robe…
Kessidri Swamphen: is that initiation? or initation?
Isen Enzo: initiation..
Kessidri Swamphen: aaaah
Kessidri Swamphen: so sorry carry on
Pema Pera: intonation into zen life?
Isen Enzo: It’s becoming more and more interesting..
Isen Enzo: if you look at the whole (hole) “costume”..
Isen Enzo: nearest is western underclothing…
Kessidri Swamphen: i see
Isen Enzo: then a grey robe…
Isen Enzo: which is Korean or japanese..
Isen Enzo: garment..
Isen Enzo: over that you have a black “practice” robe..
Isen Enzo: a “koromo”..
Isen Enzo: which is Chinese…
Kessidri Swamphen: nods
Isen Enzo: then, finally…
Isen Enzo: the over the shoulder robe…
Isen Enzo: “kesa”..
Isen Enzo: which comes from India…
Isen went on to explain the history layering of influences.
Kessidri Swamphen: and this would be very individual? unique?
Isen Enzo: no
Isen Enzo: very standard..
Isen Enzo: fore each school….
Kessidri Swamphen: aaah
Storm Nordwind: Same for male and female?
Isen Enzo: a sort of uniform…
Isen Enzo: I think they are gender samesame..
Isen Enzo: at least in Soto Zen…
Isen Enzo: but isn’t that interesting?
Kessidri Swamphen: it is
Isen Enzo: kind of like geologic layering…
Kessidri Swamphen: mmmm
Storm Nordwind: layers of different cultures
Kessidri Swamphen: indeed i had no idea
Isen Enzo: following the path of Buddhism from india to alaska…
Isen Enzo: lol
Storm Nordwind: like different feathers on a bird
Isen Enzo: long johns here are the first layer..
Isen Enzo: or long janes..
Isen Enzo: yup
Isen Enzo: I’m becoming a master baster!!
Isen Enzo: lol
Kessidri Swamphen: lol
Storm Nordwind laughs
Pema Pera: hehehe
Pema Pera: a bespectacled mb
Isen Enzo: lol
Isen Enzo: scholarly appearing…
Isen Enzo: It’s a little like getting into a costume and character….
Isen Enzo: or wearing occupational clothing..
Isen Enzo: carharts for working…
Isen Enzo: extratuffs for fishing…
Isen Enzo: practice robe for practicing..
Isen Enzo: looks cool, too…
Kessidri Swamphen: lol
Isen Enzo: that’s important..
Storm Nordwind grins
Isen Enzo: /o/
Isen Enzo: lol
Isen Enzo: gotta be true to your school…
We were all enamored with Isen’s robe stories.
Storm Nordwind: Go into business as the holy haberdasher
Isen Enzo: show the colors..
Isen Enzo: I like it…
Kessidri Swamphen: yes always show your true colours
Isen Enzo: but, saddly, we gotta sew our own in our pracice..
Pema Pera: nice about SL you can go so much further . . . becoming bizarre not only in clothes but in whole avatar appearance . . . .
Isen Enzo: rats!
Isen Enzo: mmm
Isen Enzo: Diversity training..
Isen Enzo: rampant in SL!
Kessidri Swamphen: you have to go?
Isen Enzo: eventually, I guess…
Pema Pera: haha
Isen Enzo: I’ll have to go..
Kessidri Swamphen: lol ok you said rats lol sorry
Pema Pera: that was quick
Pema Pera: a quick eventuality
Isen Enzo: brb
Pema Pera: rats?
Storm Nordwind: How come Isen, you have so much contiguous time without serving lattes?
Isen Enzo: brb
Pema Pera: another British expression?
Kessidri Swamphen: no Isen said it lol
Kessidri Swamphen: its american i think…to say rats in frustration
Storm Nordwind: It is. Remember Peanuts
Pema Pera still trying to link rats and leaving . . ..
Isen Enzo: Charles Shultz karma….
Pema Pera puzzled
Kessidri Swamphen: hehe
Isen Enzo: It’s true- comic karma…
Pema Pera: leaving a sinking ship . . ..
Kessidri Swamphen: well pema i understood Isen to say rats he had diversity training
Kessidri Swamphen: lol
Pema Pera: ah!
Kessidri Swamphen: but anyway ill just listen lol
Pema Pera: got it
Pema Pera: just slow
Yes, I was slow and I finally saw the other obvious way that Isen’s statement could have been interpreted. Never a dull moment while text chatting.
Isen Enzo: I use Robert Crumb comix to illustrate some of our sunday sangha readings…
Pema Pera: so Isen did you have your diversity training, in 9 seconds?
Isen Enzo: They like the comics…
Pema Pera: you were gone for about 9 seconds
Isen Enzo: It’s alla time in SL…
Pema Pera: you’re getting the hang of it!
Pema Pera: a natural
Kessidri Swamphen: i love Charlie Brown lol
Pema Pera: me too
Isen Enzo: Had to orient someone to our internet cafe..
Pema Pera: you’re running an internet cafe?
Kessidri Swamphen: wow
Storm Nordwind: He runs everything there!
Isen Enzo: and IMing too!!
Storm Nordwind: and selling books and making coffees
Isen Enzo: I used to be Mayor!!
Kessidri Swamphen: thats very 3rd life isnt it Pema? :-p
Kessidri was refering to the way she and I met, both as alts, in a virtual way once removed from our usual 2nd life selves.
Pema Pera: wow!!
Storm Nordwind: I know. I saw the stuff on the web!
Isen Enzo: MISTER Mayor…
Pema Pera: where?
Isen Enzo: /o/
Isen Enzo: lol
Pema Pera: where on the web?
Isen Enzo: Yessiree…
Storm Nordwind: Well I know where, but it’s not for me to say :)
Isen Enzo: It’s all true…
Storm Nordwind: It is true
Isen Enzo: regrettably true…
Storm Nordwind: The bookshop is kind of famous
Storm Nordwind: and so is Mr. Isen sir
Isen Enzo: In famous..
At that moment a sixth visitor dropped by, Moon Fargis.
Storm Nordwind: Hi Moon
Pema Pera: Hi Moon!
Kessidri Swamphen: hi moon!
Storm Nordwind: haha!
Moon Fargis: woah
Isen Enzo: The first Green Party mayor in the US…
Moon Fargis: hello everyone
Pema Pera: come join us Moon!
Isen Enzo: What a miserable incarnation THAT was!!!
Isen Enzo: geez…
Pema Pera: wowow!
Isen Enzo: (how come we swear in christian?)
Pema Pera: world of warcraft is christian?
Storm Nordwind: It’s amazing how Isen has everything “orca-strated” ;)
Kessidri Swamphen: he means geez pema lol
Isen Enzo: “geez” is christian oath..
Kessidri Swamphen: but you say gee so why not put a z on the end lol
Isen Enzo: dharmit!
Pema Pera: hahaha
Kessidri Swamphen: lol
Moon Fargis: gosh
Moon Fargis: :)
Kessidri Swamphen: haha
Pema Pera: haha
Pema Pera: yes
Isen Enzo: yo mamas wheel gone flat!
It turned out that Moon was an old friend of Storm and Isen, something I didn’t know.
Pema Pera: Welcome here, Moon, have you been here before?
Moon Fargis: thano, no
Moon Fargis: thanks
Isen Enzo: Moon taught us to dance!
Moon Fargis: seems verry suitable for a tea ceremonia
Pema Pera: yes, indeed, so Moon and Isen you have met before?
Storm Nordwind: Yes we three know each other
Moon Fargis: yes
Pema Pera: ah, Moon, I am the newcomer then
Pema Pera: have been here since last month
Since all three of them were completely bold, in monk style, Isen commented:
Isen Enzo: we go to the same hairdresser…
Moon Fargis: hehe
Kessidri Swamphen: lol
Pema Pera: hehehe
Storm Nordwind: buddhabaldies
Kessidri Swamphen: lol
Moon Fargis: from where do you come new?
Pema Pera: I’ve landed here on Dakini’s invitation
Isen Enzo: I’m not bald- I shave my head….
Pema Pera: growing roots now
Moon Fargis: yes isen everyone says that n your age :)
I saw in Moon’s profile that German was one of his languages.
Pema Pera: Moon, if you have some minutes at some point, I would appreciate it if you could have a look at the German translation on my blog: http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/summary/einfuehrung/
Pema Pera: just added that
Moon Fargis: ok onem om
Pema Pera: planning to add more languages
Storm Nordwind: How about Scots? ;)
Moon Fargis: what did you use for translation?
Pema Pera: friends ;>)
Pema Pera: what are friends for ?
Pema Pera: two Germans and a Swiss
Storm Nordwind: I’ll let you know when I find one!
Moon Fargis: oh its much to read for me t this late time :9 but it sounds intresting
Pema Pera: no rush!
Pema Pera: you can let me know later
Pema Pera: whenever convenient
Moon Fargis: but atm i didnd found errors
Pema Pera: it was fun to discuss with them how to translate terms like
Pema Pera: Play as Being
Pema Pera: and “reality:
Pema Pera: Wirklichkeit oder Realitaet
Pema Pera: Being:
Pema Pera: Sein oder Wesen
Moon then asked me about beings.
Moon Fargis: arent we all here play as beings in sl ?
Pema Pera: yes
Pema Pera: you could say so ;>)
Pema Pera: but here we are also playing as Being
Pema Pera: not beings
Isen Enzo: beans.
Moon Fargis: hmm whet do you think does something like a being really exist?
Pema Pera: no
Pema Pera: that was an easy question ;>)
Moon Fargis: ok hehe if you say so.. then i may ask you a question what i where asked lateley, where does everything come from
Pema Pera: nothing comes
Pema Pera: there is no from
Storm Nordwind: Very Big Bang
Moon Fargis: one moment ill cut and aste the exactly question
Right then Martie appeared. I had not met her before, but she, too knew at least some of the others.
Pema Pera: Hi Martie!
Kessidri Swamphen: hi martie
Martie Georgia: hi
Pema Pera: welcome here
Moon Fargis: what is the Buddhist cosmology of creation or why it all is as it is (as in the existense of the sense of things being this way)?
Isen Enzo: Hi Martie - there is one cushion left..
Moon Fargis: thats was the exactly question some days ago
While Martie was rezzing, she landed on top of Moon, but quickly moved over to an open cushion.
Moon Fargis: woow
Moon Fargis: hi martie
Martie Georgia: so sorry
Kessidri Swamphen: there are 2 seats next to me martie lol
Kessidri Swamphen: were lol
Storm Nordwind: Please take mine - it’s warm now!
Kessidri Swamphen: lol
Pema Pera: it isn’t Moon
Pema Pera: Martie, we’re talking about where things come from ;>)
Isen Enzo: uh oh….
Kessidri Swamphen: …if indeed they do…
Pema Pera: we were silly for a while but suddenly started asking Big Questions (^_^)
Pema Pera: Moon asked why it all is as it is
Moon Fargis: hehe i got manyogs with many big questio from my meditation talks so we can chat some hours here hehe
Pema Pera: and I said: it isn’t
Moon Fargis: oww this keyboard
Pema Pera: manyogs, yummy!
Pema Pera: love manyogs
Moon Fargis: many logs
Moon Fargis: i press the key and nothing happens
Pema Pera: quite a meditation!
Moon Fargis: or maybe i write too fast :)
Storm Nordwind: karmic keyboard
Isen Enzo: The metaphysics has turned your typing to mush!!
Isen Enzo: mushaphysice
Moon Fargis: damn physics
Martie Georgia: pretty much turns everything to mush
Isen Enzo: Mush-aphysics
Moon made another attempt to get back to our conversation :-)
Moon Fargis: ok so what did you answered again pema?
Isen Enzo: Hard to get to the bottom of it…
Isen Enzo: lol
Isen Enzo: yes..
Storm Nordwind: astromushics
Isen Enzo: lol
Pema Pera: music of the spheres
Storm Nordwind: mushic!
Isen Enzo: mushazk
Pema Pera: you asked why it all is as it is
Pema Pera: and I said: it isn’t
Isen Enzo: what it is all about…
Moon Fargis: no well i mean the real question
Moon Fargis: what is the Buddhist cosmology of creation or why it all is as it is (as in the existense of the sense of things being this way)?
Pema Pera: I am blood serious Moon
I was. Things don’t exist, I think, but only appear to do so. This may be what Moon was getting at, but with all the coming and going we didn’t have a chance to really comparse notes, so to speak.
Isen Enzo: I gotta go now..
Storm Nordwind: But we decided to agree that it is simply by convention
Pema Pera: bye Isen
Pema Pera: thanks for stepping by!
Storm Nordwind: bye Isen
Kessidri Swamphen: bye Isen
Moon Fargis: bye isen
Isen Enzo: Its been a pleasure..
Storm Nordwind: Thanks for the kesa report!
Isen Enzo: Sure..
Pema Pera: good luck stitching it all together!
Martie Georgia: me too. I am not much on how to enlighten each blade of grass questions.
Isen Enzo: I’m getting quite a lot of photos..
Isen Enzo: anyhow- so long all…
Storm Nordwind: Namaste
Isen left, and we continued.
Pema Pera: what do you give talks about, Moon?
Moon Fargis: nono i just talk about trees and leafs :)
Moon Fargis: about everything about buddhism
Moon Fargis: more ore less some kind of newbie talk
Moon Fargis: no dharma talk
Moon Fargis: exept such question comes up
Moon Fargis: its my goal to tell people who are intrested in buddhism give them advice and information
Moon Fargis: also if they got problems in their life
Pema Pera: that’s great Moon
Pema Pera: when and where do you do that?
Moon Fargis: 1PM, SLT every Sunday
Moon Fargis: on Itsari
Pema Pera: do you have an lm?
Pema Pera: or better slurl?
Moon Fargis: you will receive a note:9
Pema Pera: okay, thanks!
Moon Fargis: there are also 2 other temple facilitators
Pema Pera: readers of my blog may want to see it
Pema Pera: should they just IM you?
Moon Fargis: oe do a meditation and talk wednesday and one saturday
Kessidri Swamphen: moon…i would be interested in the note :-)
Moon Fargis: you mean the log about the question? sure
Pema Pera: ?
Moon Fargis: i also try to eplain everything in simple words with also comparisons
Pema Pera: great!
Pema Pera: hahaha, that is nice!
Pema Pera: the notecard you just gave me
Moon Fargis: mostl i save the intresting logs.. death and rebirth..death and karma…
Pema Pera: did you give it to Kess too?
Moon Fargis: jup
Pema Pera: Why it all is as it is
Pema Pera: See, I would say: why it all isn’t as it seems to be
Pema Pera: but the opposite of a great truth is a great truth . . .
Moon Fargis: wel why all at all ?
Pema Pera: yes
Pema Pera: indeed
I kept asking about the logs of some of his conversations, which seemed very interesting.
Pema Pera: where/how do you keep those log notecards?
Pema Pera: are they available?
Moon Fargis: i just create a new notecard and paste the whole chatlog in it
Pema Pera: and hand it out to individuals?
Pema Pera: or is there a repository?
Kessidri Swamphen: oh there is no landmark moon
Moon Fargis: yes for those who didnt had time to come
Pema Pera: how can I find the repository?
Moon Fargis: ah yes the landmark one moment i give you one from my home i live there:9
Kessidri Swamphen: ok
Pema Pera: thanks, Moon!
Moon Fargis: np you may pass by and feed the kois :)
Kessidri Swamphen: yes, thankyou so much, moon
Pema Pera: ah!
Pema Pera: so you have carps in a pond?
Moon Fargis: ye you will find them in a small japanese garden
Pema Pera: or cats =^+^=
Moon Fargis: with carps aso
Moon Fargis: no cats so far
Storm Nordwind smiles
Pema Pera: dangerous for the koi
Moon Fargis: they get drown
Pema Pera: so the repository, where can I find older conversation snippets, if I may ask
Pema Pera is persistent . . . .
Moon Fargis: in my inventory:)
Pema Pera wants to know about reality!
Pema Pera: hahaha
Pema Pera plans robbery
Storm Nordwind nods “don’t we all!”
Pema Pera gives up (for now!)
Storm Nordwind thinks that Pema is easily discouraged
It was getting time for me to go.
Moon Fargis: those 3 i logged becasue i felt its important to keep what is sayd there
Pema Pera: thanks, Moon, much appreciated!
Pema Pera: Well, I’m afraid I have to take leave now
Pema Pera: got my booty after all
Moon Fargis: well you will have to read alot now with those.. especially the death and rebirth log is laarge
Pema Pera smiles
Kessidri Swamphen: bye pema spk soon
Pema Pera: bye Kess, thanks for coming over to this strange place . . ..
Moon Fargis: bye i also have to go
Pema Pera: never a dull moment here, I hope!
Moon Fargis: see you later my friends
Storm Nordwind: Hi Bunan!
Kessidri Swamphen: oh bye moon thanks for the information
Pema Pera: good meeting you here Moon!
Pema Pera: hi Bunan!
Pema Pera: come join us!
Bunan Bosatsu: Hello!
Moon Fargis: yes i hope we can talk again
Kessidri Swamphen: i have to go … bye storm nice seeing you again
Pema Pera: oh sure
Storm Nordwind: Another flying monk
Pema Pera: I am here three times a day, Moon
Storm Nordwind: Bye Kess
Pema Pera: 7 am 1 am 7 pm
Storm Nordwind: Namaste
Moon Fargis: ok :)
Pema Pera: Good seeing you too, Storm
At that moment I heard the voice of Bunan, but couldn’t see him.
Bunan Bosatsu: I’m just monk-eying around!
Pema Pera: Bunan?
Storm Nordwind: I too have to go
Pema Pera: sorry you missed the party, Bunan!
Pema Pera: we were having fun
Pema Pera: bye storm!
Pema Pera: quite a crowd today
Bunan Bosatsu: I just arrived …. and will most likely have to go in just a few moments… no time these days!
Pema Pera: haha
Storm Nordwind: A monk in the rafters!
Bunan Bosatsu: Yes!!
Bunan Bosatsu: HA!
Storm Nordwind: eaves dropping
Bunan Bosatsu: SPLUNGE!
Bunan Bosatsu: EXACTLY!
Pema Pera: wondering where you were, Bunan!
It turned out that Bunan had hid himself in the attic of the tea house.
Storm Nordwind: haha!
Pema Pera: ssssssplunge
Bunan Bosatsu: I have been EAVESdropping
Bunan Bosatsu: What news?
Pema Pera: what eaves
Storm Nordwind: You sound like Thor talking to Loki!
Bunan Bosatsu: The eaves of the roof!
Pema Pera: yes, got it!
Bunan Bosatsu: :-)
Pema Pera: well, take care and see you both soon again!
Storm Nordwind: Your camera work was flatlandish Pema
Bunan Bosatsu: Be well Pema!
Bunan Bosatsu: I feel as though I haven’t been around in months!
