2013.11.03 07:00 - A Felt Sense of Unknowing

The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.

Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
--BELL--
Solidspace Merlin: 's current display-name is "丂oliÐ".
Bleu Oleander: hi Solid :)
Bleu Oleander: I don't believe I've met you before ... are you new to Play as Being?
Solidspace Merlin: no not really
Solidspace Merlin: greeting and salutions
Bleu Oleander: hi druth
druth Vlodovic: hey guys
Bleu Oleander: how have you been?
druth Vlodovic: ok
Solidspace Merlin: im trying to understand what total core means
Solidspace Merlin: like was my guide reffering to the optical illusion of life
Bleu Oleander: say more ...
Solidspace Merlin: einstein said that reality is an optical illusion
Bleu Oleander: we are limited in our knowledge of reality for sure
Solidspace Merlin: here is what my higher self said
Bleu Oleander: you have a higher self?
Solidspace Merlin: oh yes most assuredly indeed
Solidspace Merlin: the energetically linked eternal moment of now is the total consciousness of the total core of the innermost universe of the one mind of the son of gods absolute reality of perfect oneness and perfect love in the unified plane of the universal stream of universal consciousness
Bleu Oleander: how do you know that?
Bleu Oleander: does everyone have a higher self?
Solidspace Merlin: the fact i have not witnessed someone raise the dead i suppose
Bleu Oleander: do you believe that the dead are or will be raised?
druth Vlodovic: wow, so many absolutes you lost me
Bleu Oleander: confidence indeed!
Bleu Oleander: where does the confidence of our ideas/stories come from?
Solidspace Merlin: experience and movement and consciousness and growth
Bleu Oleander: a coherence of our experiences and the stories we create?
Solidspace Merlin: indeed
Bleu Oleander: how does coherence work?
Bleu Oleander: is the world as coherent as we see it?
Solidspace Merlin: there are two worlds so unless you have level confusion of who and what it is we truly are id say no
Bleu Oleander: two worlds?
--BELL--
Solidspace Merlin: the is the unified and dualistical plane or spheres of consciousness
Bleu Oleander: can u explain further your ideas?
Solidspace Merlin: the dualistical plane of existence is rooted in fear and separation while on the other hand there is the unified plane of existence that is the realm of the absolute
druth Vlodovic: if I have you right you consider reality be a manifestation of psychic processes
Bleu Oleander: how did you reach your conclusions?
druth Vlodovic: that is, mental
Solidspace Merlin: i reached my conclusion from experience of the unified plane
Santoshima Resident: 's current display-name is "San".
Bleu Oleander: how did you experience a unified plane?
Solidspace Merlin: yes indeed druth
Bleu Oleander: hi San
druth Vlodovic: hey san
Solidspace Merlin: i fully opened my chakras
Santoshima Resident: hello
Bleu Oleander: what are chakras?
druth Vlodovic: so we are talking about comparing our realities to that of god's
Santoshima Resident: wheels
Bleu Oleander: wheels?
Solidspace Merlin: they are spining wheels in the inner workings of the soul
Bleu Oleander: so a soul's soul?
Santoshima Resident: energy wheels of the body. system of describing this
Bleu Oleander: a belief system then
Santoshima Resident: google is your "friend"
Solidspace Merlin: a soul is from the kingdom of souluality ;)
Bleu Oleander: prefer to hear how others think to google :)
Santoshima Resident: preference is understanable.
Bleu Oleander: never heard of souluality
Santoshima Resident: d
Bleu Oleander: :)
Santoshima Resident: nor have i heard of such. please continue
Eliza Madrigal: 's current display-name is "Eliza".
Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza :)
Solidspace Merlin: i have not yet finished my spirit guides essay on it
Santoshima Resident: greetings eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Bleu, San, Solid, Druth :)
Bleu Oleander: spirit guide?
Solidspace Merlin: been keeping myself busy
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Solidspace Merlin: ╠╣╠╣║─║─║║
Solidspace Merlin: ╝╚╚╗╩╝╩╝╚╝
druth Vlodovic: your spirit guide is writing an essay?
Santoshima Resident: why bother?
Solidspace Merlin: yes an essay on the art of absolute reality
Bleu Oleander: presented to you in what way?
Bleu Oleander: so interesting the many ways knowledge comes to people
Solidspace Merlin: namely second life
Bleu Oleander: via an avatar?
Eliza Madrigal nods Bleu
Solidspace Merlin: via a small still voice
Bleu Oleander: that you "hear" in your mind?
Solidspace Merlin: yes
Solidspace Merlin: and heart
druth Vlodovic: is the kingdom of souality a single soul or a place with a bunch of them?
Solidspace Merlin: which i think is the same with this new revelation of total core
Bleu Oleander: and you feel that this voice is a voice of absolute knowledge of reality?
Solidspace Merlin: well words incur an awful limitation on what it truly is
Santoshima Resident: not to mention the rest of the human package
Bleu Oleander: what is the human package?
Solidspace Merlin: yes try being trapped in a box and proclaiming this stuff
Bleu Oleander: language no doubt a big part
Bleu Oleander: do you view yourself, your human package as being trapped in a box?
Solidspace Merlin: no never
Bleu Oleander: phew!
druth Vlodovic: lol
druth Vlodovic: I'm afraid we all bring baggage into discussions, I know I do :)
Bleu Oleander: for sure
Eliza Madrigal: was thinking recently about various characters in literature/film, whose highest aspiration is to be "human" while humans seem to try to surpass that.. or at least distance or "enlighten" themselves from mere humanity
Bleu Oleander: prefer to think of it as experience and knowledge
--BELL--
druth Vlodovic: that too
Bleu Oleander: I never think of humanity as "mere"
Solidspace Merlin: i think we are all technolites
Solidspace Merlin: playing a total recall package deal
Santoshima Resident: {shh}
Santoshima Resident: {please continue}
druth Vlodovic: we have programmed personas?
Solidspace Merlin: get your ass back to mars hehehe
Bleu Oleander: may be possible soon lol
Eliza Madrigal: rather wondrous really, depending on what one allows "humanity" to entail
Eliza Madrigal: :) yeah
Bleu Oleander: understanding what it means to be human .... full time job lol
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Solidspace Merlin: brb
druth Vlodovic: funny how often we succumb to the tendency to seek to know something by first imposing limits and borders on it
druth Vlodovic: "being human" and "being reality" would seem related
Eliza Madrigal: testing the limits/boundaries
Bleu Oleander: perhaps an innate tendency to simplify to distill down to a stable representation of reality?
Bleu Oleander: embrace ambiguity I say :)
druth Vlodovic: hard to swing ambiguity :)
Bleu Oleander: natural fear and discomfort with it
druth Vlodovic: maybe why there is a strong tendency to go the "all things are one thing" route
Bleu Oleander: perhaps :)
druth Vlodovic: if everything is me then allI need control is myself
druth Vlodovic: a good tactic for facing life
Zen Arado: 's current display-name is "Zen".
Bleu Oleander: a comfort zone of sorts
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Zen
druth Vlodovic: hoy zen
Zen Arado: Hi all
druth Vlodovic: one of the things that ended my religious experiment was the thought that if god exists then everything that happens is for a reason
Bleu Oleander: someone else's agenda
druth Vlodovic: considering what does happen I prefer to face an unlimited undirected reality
Bleu Oleander: allows for more creativity perhaps?
druth Vlodovic: otherwise god exists and he is an ass lol
Bleu Oleander: :)
druth Vlodovic: no limits does mean that all things can be considered and explored
Eliza Madrigal: there's more to spirituality than God, surely?
Bleu Oleander: perhaps a stance of what can we know and lead from there?
druth Vlodovic: like we all have tenure
Bleu Oleander: what is meant by "spirituality"?
druth Vlodovic: spirituality without god(s) is a big step for someone raised xtian
Bleu Oleander: I find everyone has a slightly different take on that concept
Eliza Madrigal: well exactly... for some it might be lucidity or clarity or flow
Eliza Madrigal: and yes Druth, I remember that step for sure, lol
Eliza Madrigal: >scary<
druth Vlodovic: yep
Bleu Oleander: so wonder and awe can be spirituality?
Eliza Madrigal: I think so
Bleu Oleander: cool
druth Vlodovic: thus we learn that fear is not always an indication of danger
Eliza Madrigal: Carl Sagan called scientists the "true worshippers" for the sense of awe and wonder, if I remember
Eliza Madrigal: for some sense of daring to explore
Bleu Oleander: so spirituality need not embrace other worldly spirits .... can be a felt sense of unknowing in a way?
Eliza Madrigal: (of course being a scientist he would say that :P) lol
Eliza Madrigal: love that phrasing, Bleu
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: there's plenty in our own natures to wonder at?
Bleu Oleander: unlimited subject :)
druth Vlodovic: we don't need to trade parents for heroes for god(s),at some point it is possible to jump from the nest
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: probably take some twigs from the nest with you lol
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Eliza Madrigal: and then those heroes and gods may be seen in a different light... I'm not so quick to erase them , like parents I guess
Bleu Oleander: take more than we think we take
druth Vlodovic: I found I had to erase them before I could accept them
Eliza Madrigal: that makes sense
Bleu Oleander: how do I order that eraser? ha!
druth Vlodovic: you build your own :-P
Bleu Oleander: :P
Eliza Madrigal: my son and I had this conversation a few days ago, where we talked about the comfort of being told that there is no answer vs. being given an answer that leaves a suspicion one has been duped
Eliza Madrigal: one way breeds mistrust and the other curiosity, perhaps
druth Vlodovic: I've suspected that the cause of teen angst is finding out that adults were covering their ignorance with easy answers
Bleu Oleander: easy to feel "duped" .... I try to see when that feeling comes to mind for me ... a clue perhaps of my own confidence in ideas
Eliza Madrigal nods... uncomfortable to stay with and look into sometimes
Bleu Oleander: indeed
druth Vlodovic: "I don't know"is a hard thing to say to a five year old
Bleu Oleander: "because" works
Bleu Oleander: haha
druth Vlodovic: but it teaches them that answers aren't found in the back of the book
Bleu Oleander: answers are strategies to be in the world ... and there are many of them
Zen Arado: it's difficult
Eliza Madrigal: saw a silly meme this morning, but it is kind of profound if one thinks about it... it was "a dog thinks 'you feed me, you pet me, you care for me... you must be god..." / ' a cat thinks 'you feed me, you take care of me - I must be god!'
Zen Arado: people want firm hard answers
druth Vlodovic: lol
Zen Arado: perhaps children need that
Bleu Oleander: lol
Zen Arado: :)
druth Vlodovic: I used that to justify to a friend how the common understanding of the xtian God would choose not to fix all the world's problems
Eliza Madrigal: libertarianism?
Bleu Oleander: :)
Bleu Oleander: libertarian god .... interesting concept
Zen Arado: an old problem
Zen Arado: the problem of evil
Bleu Oleander: still with us
Eliza Madrigal prefers librarian gods, lol
Bleu Oleander: haha
Bleu Oleander: god is a library ... nice
Zen Arado: if God is good and all powerful why does he allow evil?
druth Vlodovic: fixing all of other people's problems makes them dependant, dull and petulant
Bleu Oleander: everyone can use a little help though
Eliza Madrigal: especially when the problems are the result of injustice
Bleu Oleander: or just a case of "i don't know" and can you help me?
Eliza Madrigal: recently I had a tax situation that showed me how crazy it can be... where a bit of knowledge might make the difference between crippling need
Eliza Madrigal: and doing 'okay'
Eliza Madrigal: and some are indeed unaware of how to get that help... and systems often suck :)
Bleu Oleander: how do we know where to look for guidance?
Zen Arado: tax situations are undecipherable
Bleu Oleander: interesting theme perhaps?
Eliza Madrigal: in general I think most of us walk around oblivious to how much luck and fortune we've had in life... how many helpers
Zen Arado: exactly
Zen Arado: we complain about the bad only
Eliza Madrigal: precarious situation, like the "I don't know"
druth Vlodovic: I seldom complain about the good
Eliza Madrigal: :) thanks Bleu and everyone - time for village hall
Bleu Oleander: ok thanks all
druth Vlodovic: duty calls
Bleu Oleander: take care everyone
druth Vlodovic: have fun solid
Eliza Madrigal: that's one of my favorite outfits of yours btw Bleu :)
Eliza Madrigal: nice to see you all
Bleu Oleander: thx Eliza
Bleu Oleander: out of the past hehe
Zen Arado: bfn