2013.11.04 13:00 - On Time's Dimensionless Being

The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal...

--BELL--

DR42 Resident: Ɲձოձʂէε
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Zen and Wol.
Wol Euler: evening all!
Wol Euler: happy monday
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Eliza!
Zen Arado: Hi everyone
Bruce Mowbray: HAPPY happy happy Monday!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi everyone! Sorry to be late
Wol Euler: hello eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: ...waiting for cushions to appear :)
Eliza Madrigal: and yay, Maude, nice to see you back
Wol Euler: if you rightclick where they should be, they usually appear (for me)
Eliza Madrigal: lol...am just going to click the mat
DR42 Resident: They let me out. :)
Wol Euler: awwww
Eliza Madrigal grins
Bruce Mowbray: I was a bit slow with the rezzing today, also.
Eliza Madrigal: I moved rooms...seemed to be having some reception difficulties
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh!
Eliza Madrigal: but >whew< we all made it

Eliza Madrigal: how's everyone feeling this Monday?
Wol Euler: listening to "Peter and the Wolf" and chuckling about it
Bruce Mowbray: GOOD! My typist finally moved his ---- and clean his house.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Whew!
Eliza Madrigal laughs, Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: your ---- was in the way before I guess
Bruce Mowbray: It usually is!
DR42 Resident: I installed the Firestorm x64 viewer, and it runs so much faster!
Bruce Mowbray: really!
Zen Arado: it does?
Bruce Mowbray: I wil try that, then.
Zen Arado: hmm
Eliza Madrigal: good tip, thanks for that
Eliza Madrigal: me too
Zen Arado: has 64 bits
DR42 Resident: It's Alpha, not even Beta grade, but I can deal with that.
Zen Arado: oh changed mind
Wol Euler has done enough beta testing, let alone alpha testing, in her time :)
Eliza Madrigal: and you Zen, how are you feeling today?
Eliza Madrigal: lol ...yeah, maybe me too
Zen Arado: c'est le temps de Toussaint
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, aggers!
Agatha Macbeth: Yo
Zen Arado: Hi Aggers
Bruce Mowbray: YO!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aggers!
Zen Arado: cold grey weather of November
Wol Euler: hello aggerses
Bruce Mowbray: (I thought we only used that greeting in my typist's men's group.)
Eliza Madrigal: We are checking in, Agatha... how feeling?
Bruce Mowbray: Oh! We're checking in?
Agatha Macbeth: Mondayish
Bruce Mowbray: kk.
Eliza Madrigal: It is grey here today, too...but no Winter
DR42 Resident: Well, cod is kind of cold.
Agatha Macbeth: No winter in FL eh
Eliza Madrigal: well, a light check in Bruce, unless something on your mind/heart? :)
Eliza Madrigal: exactly Agatha
Bruce Mowbray: Only that I am grateful to DR2 for recommending that I visit the Baha'i Temple in Chicago.
Agatha Macbeth: Lucky you
Bruce Mowbray: (but I've already told her that!)
Agatha Macbeth: How's the unpacking?
Eliza Madrigal: sounds wonderful
Bruce Mowbray: Two weeks over and done with, now.

Eliza Madrigal: unpacking is... tedious
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Zen Arado: just leave it packed
Zen Arado: until you need it
Wol Euler: right, and if after a year you haven't unpacked it, throw the box away :)
Bruce Mowbray: !!
Eliza Madrigal: :) well I snapped at my daughter just a short while ago... because i feel I'm doing 'everything'...and while I feel badly about that I'm not ready to apologize yet
Zen Arado: yep
Bruce Mowbray: totally understood, Eliza!
Agatha Macbeth: Snapdragon
Wol Euler: (((( eliza ))))
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: they always expect parents to do everything
Bruce Mowbray: It's necessary to speak the language that they will understand... like Snappinglish.
Eliza Madrigal: she had promised to help with cooking before we moved in... and now thinks it is okay to say "well if you want me to cook, then...."
Eliza Madrigal: and I responded... "Do I get to do that?"
Eliza Madrigal: :P
Zen Arado: slightly distancing herself :-)
Agatha Macbeth: A team effort is required

Bruce Mowbray is reminded of his mother saying, "Would you like to practice the piano now?"
Bruce Mowbray: ha!
Wol Euler: heheh

DR42 Resident: NPR (I think it was all things considered) had a story about the stress that having a scarcity of anything causes lots of problems. Things like money, time, or food.
Bruce Mowbray: FAT CHOICE!
Eliza Madrigal: :) well, suffice to say that part of this move is removing some of the comfortable bedding from the nest
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, say more Maude? After the break? Let's take a normal one then at the half hour, 5 minutes :)
Agatha Macbeth: What are families for afterall? ;)

Zen Arado: why is it when you get yourself interested in things a vast endless panorama unfolds
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: five minutes sounds good
Bruce Mowbray: kk. 90 secs first -- then 5 mins at the half hour drop.
Zen Arado: Mountains beyond the mountains
Wol Euler: oh, at the half hour. right
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: thanks everyone <3

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: ♥
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal sees Aggers figured out rezzing the bell ^^
Agatha Macbeth: Yah
Eliza Madrigal: ty :))
Agatha Macbeth: YW

Eliza Madrigal: So the NPR story, Maude, was about scarcity?
DR42 Resident: they started about food stamps, then talked about how hunger changes decisions you make. Also the fact that the "poor" make, in general, much better decisions about using resources than "rich" people. Then they talked about how a lack of time can cause you to make not the best decisions in working towards a goal.
Eliza Madrigal: ah, overlap (reads)
Wol Euler listens.
Bruce Mowbray also listens.
DR42 Resident: Quite complicated, but very insightful.
Zen Arado: and wonders what NPR means
Eliza Madrigal: that rings true... can think of the way salespeople try to make one feel cornered or without enough time
Bruce Mowbray: National Public Radio.
DR42 Resident: National Public Radio.
Zen Arado: ah ok
Agatha Macbeth: Not QPR
Bruce Mowbray: (in the USA only, perhaps....)
Zen Arado: I knew it
Eliza Madrigal: likely can find on the web though... many wonderful programs
DR42 Resident: But it is all on their web site or as podcasts via iTunes. NPR.org
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.npr.org/

Eliza Madrigal: if I made a list of top 10 loved things... Saturday NPR would be on there :)
Bruce Mowbray: YES!
Bruce Mowbray: Don't miss Car Talk!
Zen Arado: sounds like radio four on the BBC
Eliza Madrigal: last week a new gem: http://themoth.org/  
(added: particularly recommend James Braly "One Last Family Photo")
Agatha Macbeth wonders what the other nine would be
Bruce Mowbray: or Wait Wait Don't Tell Me!
DR42 Resident: Exactly.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
DR42 Resident: I love the Moth.
Eliza Madrigal: we didn't have that one before... fantastic

Eliza Madrigal: as long as sharing things... saw a cheesy, contrived, wonderful film last night...
Eliza Madrigal: About Time
Bruce Mowbray: listens carefully.
Agatha Macbeth: About time too
Bruce Mowbray: always on the alert for a good flick.
Wol Euler listens.
Eliza Madrigal: Well I thought this was a real "PaB" sort of film...
Zen Arado: weird you mean?
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal grins
Eliza Madrigal: it was about time, but really about awareness
Eliza Madrigal: and relationships
Eliza Madrigal: wouldn't want to give anything away, but there was one thread which I felt was especially PaBish
Bruce Mowbray: title?
Eliza Madrigal: about the way to live each day
Eliza Madrigal: "About Time"
Agatha Macbeth: They all ran round and round a pool?
Bruce Mowbray: kk, thanks!
Eliza Madrigal: :P Aggers

Eliza Madrigal: it isn't easy to talk about time... maybe why the topic didn't fly too far last week?
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2194499/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Eliza Madrigal: it is easy to talk about time management I guess
Eliza Madrigal: but not wu wei kind of time
Agatha Macbeth: No time like the present
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
Bruce Mowbray: Now is all we "have."

Zen Arado: I was reading a kind of proof that time doesn't exist

Eliza Madrigal: yes?
Zen Arado: it was a commentary about the Genjokoan
Bruce Mowbray: I agree with that, without even reading it, Zen.
Eliza Madrigal listens
Zen Arado: the present moment can't exist
Zen Arado: it is a dimensionless line between the past and the future
Wol Euler: fascinating.
Bruce Mowbray: yes, dimensionless.

Zen Arado: if it had any length you could chop it into parts of the past and the future
DR42 Resident: There has been some discussion the Hawking may not have been correct in his views of the Big bang
Bruce Mowbray: (and no WIDTH, either!)
Zen Arado: so if it is dimensionless it doesn't actually exist
Bruce Mowbray: not in space, it doesn't.
Eliza Madrigal: indeed a fascinating 'line' of thought... and am curious to hear what revisions are being made to hawking's ideas too... funny that son and I were just talking about him today

Zen Arado: I have always puzzled about the part in the Genjokoan about firewood becoming ash
Zen Arado: were not becoming ash
Bruce Mowbray: well, not at this moments, anyway.
Eliza Madrigal: any closer Zen?
Zen Arado: each part of time has its own existence but we add continuities between them
Zen Arado: something like that
DR42 Resident: Well, I am certainly not a physicist. Discussions of Hawking's work leave me glassy eyed.
Zen Arado: so time is really just a concept and I guess space is as well
Eliza Madrigal: ideas upon ideas
Zen Arado: the Genjokoan was written by a thirteenth century Zen master called Dogen

Bruce Mowbray: Well, I think the larger error is not thinking about width and length, but about volume (of time.)
Eliza Madrigal: ah... let's be with that 5 minutes... then pick up with you Bruce after the pause?
Bruce Mowbray: longevity....
Bruce Mowbray: kk.

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: wonderful
Eliza Madrigal: ty :)
Eliza Madrigal: :::happy sigh::::
Agatha Macbeth: Boinng

Eliza Madrigal: so.... longevity...? :)
Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps an example of time's being not only "dimensionless" in terms of measuring its imagined width and length
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: As opposed to shortevity
Bruce Mowbray: might be what comes from multiplying those two imaginary measurements: Volume!

Bruce Mowbray: So we imagine that some things last longer than others; that some lifetimes last longer than others…
Bruce Mowbray: and that such imagined longevity is worth pursuiing - at virtually any cost.
Bruce Mowbray: But I feel that Annie Dillard was right: "How we live out days (our nano-secods, actually, but she didn't say that) is how we live our lives."

Wol Euler: what is the "thickness of time" dimension? perceived goodness or eventfulness?
Eliza Madrigal: we give 'value'?
Bruce Mowbray: Well, value is quite important, of course...
DR42 Resident: length time width is Area.
Bruce Mowbray: and I feel that would be a far better way to measure time than through clocks.
Wol Euler: so we are back to space :)
Eliza Madrigal: range v length?

The Practical...
 

Eliza Madrigal: if you were an employer... how would you measure time that way?
Wol Euler: hmmmm
Zen Arado: length x width x height is volume
Bruce Mowbray: If I were an emplloyer, I would measure "time" in terms of thevalue of labor given.
Wol Euler: giving more value to time spent gruntling a disgruntled customer, than to time spent drinking coffee
Bruce Mowbray: not in terms of the hours spent on the "job."
Zen Arado: You have to start using calculus if you put time into those measurements?
Bruce Mowbray: (and the quantity of that labor.)
Eliza Madrigal: I wonder how many places there is actually that experiment
Bruce Mowbray: Well, consider an institution like marriage.....
Eliza Madrigal: it is how the self-employed deal with themselves I'd imagine
Agatha Macbeth: No thanks
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
Eliza Madrigal: although many writers subscribe to "sit there for 5 hours"
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Wol Euler: I'd guess that it isn't used much, because the effort of measuring and protocolling the data is greater than the difference is worth (in $)
Bruce Mowbray: Yeppers, I'm done with it too! But that sort of makes my point.
Bruce Mowbray listens for more from Wol.
Wol Euler: well if a company were seriously going to pay more for productively-spent time than for drinking coffee, it would necessarily introduce a whole new tier of management activity
Bruce Mowbray: I somehow doubt that Annie Dillard is one of those writers.
Wol Euler: observing and noting the moments of worthwhileness
Eliza Madrigal: ahhhh, yes I see
Bruce Mowbray: excellent point, Wol!
Eliza Madrigal: if paid by moments of inspiration or genius, well..paid some years and not others perhaps
Wol Euler: plus of course the self-raising question of whether what that observer is doing is worthwhile! :)
Wol Euler: on the whole I'd guess it is a net negative balance

Zen Arado: But humans aren't like machines
Eliza Madrigal: and yet there are different layers of privilege in the economy that are about the way of spending time
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray: so, are you suggesting that a lot of "time" is being wasted in most employments?
Zen Arado: We have our good and bad days
Wol Euler: indeed I am, bruce :) though I hesitate over the word "wasted"
Bruce Mowbray: hmmmmm.
Wol Euler: many coffee-corner conversations turn out to be quite useful, just not directly so
Eliza Madrigal: yes!
Eliza Madrigal: I think Pema would agree with that
Wol Euler: it's easy to measure the value of making an angry customer happy
Zen Arado: I don't think productivity is as easily quantifiable as they make out
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, who knows what values rise from coffee-corner chats.
Wol Euler: harder to measure the effect of giving an idea to a visiting colleague from a different department
Eliza Madrigal: or of "running around the pool"
Wol Euler: (pause coming up)

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: ty Wol!
Bruce Mowbray listens for more on 'productivity' from Zen -- or anyone, actually.
Eliza Madrigal: (5minutes)
Bruce Mowbray: kk - 5 it is.

Eliza Madrigal: :) ding
Bruce Mowbray: ty.
Agatha Macbeth: Dong
Zen Arado: Trying to nail work down into measurements of productivity is a bit like the way we try to nail life down into concepts?
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Ari :)
Wol Euler: hello ari
Arisia Vita: greetings my friends
Zen Arado: Hi Ari
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Ari, welcome
Agatha Macbeth: Greetings to you too
Eliza Madrigal: there is another film I like, called "About a Boy" where he is wealthy because his father wrote a jingle... and his days are filled with dividing his time to spend in 30 minute increments - but at first there is little felt sense of value
Wol Euler: oh yes, I loved that!
Wol Euler: sad and funny, and redemptive too :)
Bruce Mowbray hastens to look up "About a Boy". . . .
Eliza Madrigal: indeed... always surprises me how few have seen it
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray: Was that Jude Law?
Agatha Macbeth: I never got round to watching Siworae :(
Wol Euler: Hugh Grant, wasn't it?`
Eliza Madrigal: oh goodness... so many films to see... about time :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, Hugh
Zen Arado: I must watch more films
Wol Euler smiles.
Bruce Mowbray: Hugh Grant! I always get those two mixed up.
Agatha Macbeth: This is where we miss Gaya :p
Bruce Mowbray: yeppers, Hugh Grant.
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-apwoGTpi7E
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0276751/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

DR42 Resident: A number of years ago, I worked on an office automation system which included calendar functions. The government wanted it customized because the president was scheduled in 2 minute blocks.
Bruce Mowbray: A fine movie. I think my typist might have illegally copied it.
Eliza Madrigal: 2 minute...wow
Bruce Mowbray: OH MY GOD. TWO-MINUTE BLOCKS!????
DR42 Resident: I would have a difficult time with 30 minute blocks, I wonder how people could change what they are thinking about every two minutes.

Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Aph!
Agatha Macbeth: Aphie :)
Zen Arado: Hi Aph
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph :)

Bruce Mowbray: I would have a hard time with one-year, or one-decade, blocks.
Eliza Madrigal: switching gears... that's something I've struggled with too
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello
Aphrodite Macbain: thought I'd drop in
Eliza Madrigal: going from creative work into busy work or vice versa
Wol Euler: back, sorry, had to watch that :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Aphrodite Macbain: sorry to be so late
Eliza Madrigal: welcome aboard Aph
Zen Arado: Has trouble switching gears

Eliza Madrigal: we've been talking time...and a bit of space
Eliza Madrigal: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! :D :p :D :p :D
Agatha Macbeth: Pull up a lifeboat
Wol Euler: heheheh
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
Eliza Madrigal: but space usually creeps in when we bring up time
Aphrodite Macbain: all we need are atoms
Eliza Madrigal laughs and pretends that was intentional

Wol Euler: I can't imagine that anything useful is done in units of 2 minutes
Zen Arado: Time and space are no good without energy
Bruce Mowbray: Or, was it time that creeped in when we were discussing space?
Eliza Madrigal: ah, hmmmmmmm
Aphrodite Macbain: ah spaaace
Eliza Madrigal: boiling water for tea?
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm.... so, perhaps energy and value are also in the mix?
Zen Arado: Just my problem
Agatha Macbeth: Going to the toilet
Bruce Mowbray: HA!
Eliza Madrigal: very useful
Wol Euler: okay, point taken
Eliza Madrigal: watching youtube clips of cats
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed necessary
Aphrodite Macbain wonders where she has landed
Wol Euler: but I doubt whether the president goes to the toilet thirty times in an hour
Eliza Madrigal: in two minute land
Agatha Macbeth: Take me to your leader
Bruce Mowbray: a valuable expenditure of time, space, and energy, aggers.
Wol Euler: not even Dubyah was that full of ...
Eliza Madrigal: you need to see West Wing... they talk so fast and switch gears a lot
Eliza Madrigal: am sure it is just like that, lol
Bruce Mowbray: Oh, he certainly was! and IS!
Agatha Macbeth: And will be
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: who? my typist doesn't recognize that name....hahah... selective memory

Wol Euler: (pause again in 2 minutes)
Wol Euler: make tea before then!
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Agatha Macbeth already has
Bruce Mowbray: Hoping you've achieved homeostasis again, aggers.
Zen Arado: You can't make tea in two minutes
Aphrodite Macbain: may I have a cup Aggers?
Eliza Madrigal: let's see how useful or useless this coming 5 minutes will be
Zen Arado: Or maybe that's just me
Wol Euler: not proper tea :)
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh. Yes!
Wol Euler gets ready
Eliza Madrigal: (mic is on Aph)

--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: tx
Aphrodite Macbain: smiles
Aphrodite Macbain: What more is there to be said about space?
Aphrodite Macbain: oops
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: ding
Wol Euler: _/|\_
Agatha Macbeth: You jumped the boing there Aph
Eliza Madrigal: hah
Wol Euler: Play as Boing
Aphrodite Macbain: I boinged over it

Aphrodite Macbain: 5 minutes is nice- is this the new 90 seconds?
Eliza Madrigal: arranging time and space... I suppose there is a wonderful 'marriage' there... when I unpack and organize well, it feels to make time move more smoothly when going about this or that
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: well just Mondays Aph... though every host can try :)
Agatha Macbeth: A lizpause
Aphrodite Macbain: feng shue
Aphrodite Macbain: I see
Aphrodite Macbain: Nice to be able to come on Mondays now
Eliza Madrigal: originally I'd thought to have this more 'retreat like' but it seems to take on is own hybrid feel

Eliza Madrigal: it is nice to you have you all here - am glad OF moved, hehe
Bruce Mowbray ponders "hybrid feel."
Agatha Macbeth: Where did it go?
Bruce Mowbray: Go
Bruce Mowbray: Go?
Eliza Madrigal smiles @ Aggers
Eliza Madrigal: it moved in space... two blocks over to Wednesday
Aphrodite Macbain: looks around
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh!
Agatha Macbeth: Ah

Zen Arado: I suspect that Jhanic meditation enables losing time and space
Zen Arado: they are concepts we bind ourselves with
Aphrodite Macbain: nothing but flow?
Zen Arado: LSD could do it too I guess
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder what Einstein would make of it
Aphrodite Macbain: it's all relative
Bruce Mowbray: Beware the reductionist trap.
Zen Arado: perhaps we fear that though
Eliza Madrigal: wu wei and flow = spirituality... is one angle we played with in Bleu's session.. no need to make spirituality all about "god"
Eliza Madrigal: she called it a felt sense of unknowing
DR42 Resident: There is a God?
Bruce Mowbray: Excellent point, Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal: which seemed interesting... entangling curiosity in there
Eliza Madrigal: enchantment :)

Aphrodite Macbain: I am still fascinated by the concept that there is more space than matter in the universe
Bruce Mowbray ponders all of is "felt senses" and sees them as infinite.
Eliza Madrigal: or how much space between cells
Aphrodite Macbain: If we removed all space from our bodies we would concentrate down into the size of a small orange

DR42 Resident: Is there space and time inside a black hole?
Bruce Mowbray: Isn't space actually a mental construct similar to "matter"? I mean something for potential "matter" to appear in?
Aphrodite Macbain: good question
Wol Euler: apparently not, if I understand it rightly
Eliza Madrigal: thought to be a vacuum isn't it
Bruce Mowbray: Well, a vacuum, surely, but a POTENTIAL vacuum.
Agatha Macbeth: A hoover
Bruce Mowbray: "What's a vacuum for, after all?"
Aphrodite Macbain: something has to be sucking out the air...
Agatha Macbeth: Beats as it sweeps as it cleans
Bruce Mowbray my typist sucks it up.
Zen Arado: form and emptiness
Eliza Madrigal: the universe is a neat freak?
Eliza Madrigal: or at least tidy ^^
Agatha Macbeth: Not so neat sometimes I fear
Bruce Mowbray ponders Heart Sutra....

Wol Euler: thatÄs a great question, eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Bits stick out
Wol Euler: because it seems to contradict the second rule of thermodynamics (that entropy increases)
DR42 Resident: The universe is not a neat freak, it is a randomness rules freak.
Wol Euler: but if black holes are sucking up everything then they are making local entropy decrease
Eliza Madrigal: or at least redistributing ?
Wol Euler nods.
Aphrodite Macbain: the univers prefers its laws to be followed...
Wol Euler: fascinating
Agatha Macbeth: Quark strangeness and charm
Eliza Madrigal: cute

Zen Arado: I don't think anyone really understands black holes
Bruce Mowbray quickly advises his typist to stuff all local entropies into hiding places.
Aphrodite Macbain: It's the place we loose our single socks
Zen Arado: I think humans make laws, not the universe
Eliza Madrigal: I need to meet with someone now but have really enjoyed your company and this talk today - thank you
Zen Arado: it usually contradicts them eventually
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh! OF COURSE, those socks!

Wol Euler: _/|\_
Wol Euler: thank you, eliza
Wol Euler: happy meetings
DR42 Resident: ηαмαѕтє
Aphrodite Macbain: namaste
Zen Arado: thanks Eliza
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now and thank you, Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: Namaste, wishing well
Agatha Macbeth: Sock it to me

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz
Zen Arado: byee all
Wol Euler tosses a coin into the namaste
Aphrodite Macbain: sigh - time to go and read some more Rousseau!
Bruce Mowbray: RUN FOR THE EXITS!
Wol Euler: be all!
Arisia Vita: it's been great being with you all
Wol Euler: /bye
Arisia Vita: be well and happy
Aphrodite Macbain: bye everyone
Bruce Mowbray: Please come again, Ari!
Wol Euler: live long and prosper
Arisia Vita: I will, for you are here
 

Session, Part 2...

Agatha Macbeth watches the whole world vanish before her
DR42 Resident: bye
Agatha Macbeth: So how's squirrel face today?
Wol Euler: bye maude, take care
Wol Euler: heheeh
Agatha Macbeth: Been gathering nuts?
Wol Euler: in a way, yes
Wol Euler: at work
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Agatha Macbeth: The ones you work with you mean?
Wol Euler: heheheh
Wol Euler: actually I hadn't meant that, but since you mention it ...
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder where the Weasel is now?
Wol Euler: dunno, and glad I don't have to know
Agatha Macbeth grins
Wol Euler: the Weasel and the Whiner
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Agatha Macbeth: The W club
Wol Euler: how's you?
Agatha Macbeth: I's good
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Still here anyways
Wol Euler: that's good
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Agatha Macbeth: Soon be Christmas
Wol Euler: ack
Wol Euler: I had better book my trip to Toronto soon
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: Or hitch a ride with Santa
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: though that might be a bit late
Agatha Macbeth: Hang on, why Toronto?
Wol Euler: family :)
Agatha Macbeth: Thought they were all in the west now?
Wol Euler: dad is in no condition to travel any more
Wol Euler: it'll be the three of us, I guess
Wol Euler: since sister probably won't come
Agatha Macbeth: I'm confused
Agatha Macbeth: Who lives in T?
Wol Euler: my parents live in Toronto, where we all grew up
Wol Euler: my sister and BIL moved to Victoria, BC
Agatha Macbeth: So who moved?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: That's it
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Right, got it
Agatha Macbeth: So no sis then?
Wol Euler: I believe not
Wol Euler: last I heard, she was staying out there
Wol Euler: but I haven't spoken to her since she was in Toronto a few weeks ago

Wol Euler: my impression is that it's my father's last Christmas
Wol Euler: with luck perhaps second-last
Agatha Macbeth nods sadly
Wol Euler: my mother is desperately sad, and sublimating that in fear of going broke
Agatha Macbeth: Oh man
Wol Euler: rather than facing the emotion
Wol Euler: but on the other hand, if she did face it squarely, she'd be unable to care for him
Wol Euler: so I can see why it happens
Wol Euler: though I doubt she worked it out in this way :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Wol Euler: I'm sublimating my sadness in bad jokes and being annoyed at her about the money
Agatha Macbeth: Think if it was me there'd be a strong urge to say 'shoot me'
Wol Euler: well, write out a living will now while you are healthy and sane, and get it witnessed by all the family
Wol Euler: and make sure they understand that you mean it
Agatha Macbeth: Where there's a will there's a way

--BELL--

Wol Euler: where there's a Will, there's a play.
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Agatha Macbeth: I see Corvi paid us a visit recently
Wol Euler: oh? when?
Agatha Macbeth: In one of the recent sessions
Agatha Macbeth: Saw it on the wiki
Wol Euler: hmmm
Wol Euler: well, I'm glad she is around
Wol Euler: agai
Wol Euler: n
Agatha Macbeth: Pants, can't find it now
Agatha Macbeth: I know Yaku was there
Agatha Macbeth: And storm too I think
Wol Euler: surprising
Wol Euler: perhaps a 7am?
Agatha Macbeth: I'll try to find it and send you the url
Wol Euler: they might all be awake and free at that time
Wol Euler: thanks!
Agatha Macbeth: Was quite recent
Agatha Macbeth: Ah found it
Agatha Macbeth: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2013/10/2013.10.10_07%3a00_-_Whoa%2c_Corvi!

Agatha Macbeth: Wow it was nearly a month ago
Agatha Macbeth: Seemed much more recent
Wol Euler: time flies etc
Agatha Macbeth: Time flies undone
Wol Euler: reading ...
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Good to see she still drops in anyway
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: I wish her well
Agatha Macbeth: Yes indeed
Agatha Macbeth: Bless her

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: Hope Liz isn't waiting for this log so she can post it :p
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: aggers, my dear, I think I will head off now
Agatha Macbeth: Yah
Wol Euler: it's been a long day
Agatha Macbeth: Sleep tight ♥
Wol Euler: you too!
Wol Euler: ♥

:) I wasn't Aggers, ty, but have enjoyed reading part 2!