2015.04.11 13:00 - Bruce's Session

Bruce's session

Bruce Mowbray: 's current display-name is "Bruce".
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Qt!
Qt Core: Hi Bruce!
Bruce Mowbray: I appreciated your inquiry about the storm.
Qt Core: :-)
Bruce Mowbray: Do you have tornadoes in Italy?
Qt Core: no, even if we started having major storms in past 10/15 years
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm.
Bruce Mowbray: I grew up with tornadoes . . .
Bruce Mowbray: for the first seventeen years of my life my home was Iowa,
Bruce Mowbray: so we saw tornadoes every spring and summer.
Bruce Mowbray: Iowa is in the northern reaches of the tornado belt - which stretches from Texas to Minnesota.
Bruce Mowbray: Ohio doesn't get as many, of course, but every year we do get a few somewhere in the state.
Qt Core: i can't really imagine how one could live with such risks (here it is not even a (major) seismic area)
Bruce Mowbray: I have no storm shelter at the farm, unfortunately.
Bruce Mowbray: Well, I understand that.
Bruce Mowbray: it's interesting how our minds seem to compensate for dangers, though.
Bruce Mowbray: I remember when I lived right on top of the San Andreas Fault in California, I never worried about earthquakes.
Bruce Mowbray: even though I experienced a couple.
Qt Core: then there are more risks in driving your car every day
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, statistically that is true.
Bruce Mowbray: so I don't drive my car today!
Bruce Mowbray: Being a hermit, of sorts, I only go into town when I absolutely need to.
Bruce Mowbray: the rest of the time my car sits parked in the driveway.
Bruce Mowbray: makes for low insurance premiums!
Bruce Mowbray: I am currently reading a fascinating book on paradox....
Bruce Mowbray: it's actually a history of philosophy with paradox as its central theme.
Qt Core: it is mased on mileage ? (it is something new we hear here too, here you usually get a 10000/30000/50000 km/year levels)
Bruce Mowbray: I probably drive less than 10,000 km.
Bruce Mowbray: in any given year, I mean.
Bruce Mowbray: probably much less than that!
Qt Core: me too, just work and grocery shopping
Bruce Mowbray: I think automobile insurance premiums are based on several things -- age, of course being one of them.
Qt Core: i usually end up at around 9500
Bruce Mowbray: and the make of the car, and here, and how many miles you drive....
Bruce Mowbray: I think that would be about my average also.
Bruce Mowbray: or less maybe.
Bruce Mowbray: so do you think there is such a thing as randomness?
Bruce Mowbray: I will be attending a class tomorrow afternoon and our topic is " The Stochastic Cosmos"
Qt Core: here mainly age of the driver, value of the car, place where you live (the younger you are... the more you pay) and biggest one number of incident you had
Bruce Mowbray: (stochastic means random.)
Bruce Mowbray: yes the number of accidents and traffic record -- very important.
Qt Core: traffic record not so relevant here
Bruce Mowbray: there are levels of violations.... speeding, running stoplights, etc..
Qt Core: about randomness, yes, i believe it but wonder how many things are really random
Bruce Mowbray: and in Ohio we have a point system - - - if you accumulate so many points... Oh. back to randomness.
Bruce Mowbray: I've been thinking hard on the subject.
Bruce Mowbray: and I've decided that there is a self-contradiction in the problem of randomness.
Qt Core: point system here too, but not relevant for insurance
Qt Core: ?
Bruce Mowbray: doesn't randomness require a nonrandom principle - - - an obstraction?
Bruce Mowbray: abstraction, I meant.
Bruce Mowbray: like if I said, name a tree at random...
Qt Core: as in the definition of random is not random ?
Bruce Mowbray: and if you said " Olive" then I would say, excellent choice!
Bruce Mowbray: but if you said "radish" I would say bad choice.
Bruce Mowbray: doesn't that imply that your random selection requires an abstraction --- some notion about the class of trees and another about the class of not-trees?
Bruce Mowbray: yes, precisely! the definition of random is not random.
Bruce Mowbray: nor can examples of randomness be random.
Bruce Mowbray: I don't know whether it's possible to produce random numbers with the computer...
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: I know that the only way I can approximate randomness in programs is through using "seeds."
Qt Core: not really, and it is one of the more heavily studied fields in IT
Bruce Mowbray: yes, good point.
Bruce Mowbray: and if our computers cannot generate random numbers without seeds, than I wonder if anything is actually random in the cosmos.
Bruce Mowbray: I guess scientific theory depends on laws, cause-and-effect relationships, and determinism, huh?
Qt Core: the best random generator are made with some machine that sense radiation emission from a radioactive elements and use the time intervals as the random generator
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh!
Bruce Mowbray: yes I have heard about those!
Bruce Mowbray: but I have also heard about how a human who perceives their operation can actually influence the numbers they produce.
Bruce Mowbray: so perception upsets the actual randomness, huh?
Qt Core: but there are algorithms that generate "good enough" random numbers sequences and the seeds is needed to chose "where to start" in the sequence, or you would get always the same numbers, in the same order
Bruce Mowbray: yes, something like having a "good enough mother" . . . as some psychologists might put it.
Bruce Mowbray: when I tried to introduce randomness into a computer program, I call upon the computers timer,
Bruce Mowbray: and I look for hundred seven second... and I make my "random seed" from that number.
Bruce Mowbray: hundredths of a second*
Bruce Mowbray: the chances of having different sequences if you continually call upon a computers's timer with every call for randomness . . . pretty good.
Qt Core: many things work in a "good enough" principle like security at public buildings (thinking about a shooting we had this week)
Bruce Mowbray: oh dear!
Bruce Mowbray: yes I read about that - - in Milano.
Bruce Mowbray: scary.
Qt Core: yes, in the main court building too
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Bruce Mowbray: you think that will cause people in public buildings to tighten up security?
Qt Core: well, it is pretty tight, but he entered from the judges/lawyers where you don't have to pass a metal detector, for example...
Bruce Mowbray: wow.
Qt Core: judges/lowyers entrance
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Bruce Mowbray: so he knew his way around.
Bruce Mowbray: that's how 9/11 happened, you know. the for terrorist pilots became authorized by their respective airlines, and so they could enter unsuspected.
Bruce Mowbray: four*
Qt Core: yes, he had a fake id card too, the kind you have to show to use that entrance (but you just have to exhibit it, no card reader or real check)
Bruce Mowbray: I used to fly several times a year . . . but I no longer do that.
Bruce Mowbray: it is remarkable how different the security procedures are in different airports.
Bruce Mowbray: I was very impressed by the security at Edinburgh's airport.
Bruce Mowbray: Miami's airport was the very worst.
Bruce Mowbray: I could have smuggled in virtually anything!
Bruce Mowbray: when I flew from Columbus to Chicago,
Bruce Mowbray: they had us take off our shoes, empty our bags, open our computers, etc..
Bruce Mowbray: but when I flew back from Chicago to Columbus, I didn't have to do any of that.... I have no reason why.
Bruce Mowbray: maybe the security folks feel there is nothing in Columbus worth terrorizing.
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
Bruce Mowbray: when I flew from Edinburgh to Atlanta,
Qt Core: there is a reality show about australian borders security (mostly airport) and don't know what surprise me most, how accurate they are or the incredible things people try to smuggle in
Bruce Mowbray: for separate individuals interviewed me on the runway to the airplane.
Bruce Mowbray: so Australia is more vulnerable, do you think?
Bruce Mowbray: or less vulnerable.
Qt Core: less, beside that on most level they are pretty thight
Bruce Mowbray: okay.
Bruce Mowbray: if they are willing to make a reality show of their security process at airports, they must be pretty confident about themselves.
Qt Core: an example, i probably can;t have a work visa for australia as being fat i may be too costly
Bruce Mowbray: really?
Aphrodite Macbain: 's current display-name is "Aph".
Bruce Mowbray: I knew that Australia used to have racial criteria for immigration.... but I think they've dropped that now.
Qt Core: it was a few years ago that i had this news (not that i wanted a job there)
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Aph!
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi
Qt Core: hi aph
--BELL--
Aphrodite Macbain: sorry I'm late
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Qt
Bruce Mowbray: np,
Bruce Mowbray: QT and I have been talking about a number of different topics...
Aphrodite Macbain: I was visiting Bleu's art gallery
Aphrodite Macbain: oh?
Bruce Mowbray: most recently we've been talking about airport security
Aphrodite Macbain: you were just talking about Immigration nlaws
Bruce Mowbray: I'll bet it is really nice!
Qt Core: i've heard of a international level cook that had his visa renewal refused for that and it was a couple years ago at least
Aphrodite Macbain: It will be
Aphrodite Macbain: why was his visa refused?
Bruce Mowbray: he had his visa renewal refused because he was fat or because he was of a different race?
Qt Core: fat
Bruce Mowbray always has problems with pronoun references....
Bruce Mowbray: kk, ty.
Qt Core: (the fuinny thing his original one was make when even fattier)
Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe they doidnt like his cooking
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps this is an example of randomness - - - as we were talking about earlier.
Qt Core: but most of their border security (regarding what you can import) is about protecting their evironment/fauna/flora
Bruce Mowbray: well, considering some of the disasters Australia has experienced, that sounds like a pretty good idea!
Aphrodite Macbain: where is this Qt?
Qt Core: australia
Bruce Mowbray: Australia.
Aphrodite Macbain: ah
Bruce Mowbray: snap.
Aphrodite Macbain: Canada has been pretty bad too
Aphrodite Macbain: the Chinese had to pay a head tax
Qt Core: yes, but they didn't have disasters like with rabbits and dingoes
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Bruce Mowbray: "bad" -- are you referring to what they inspect upon entry, Aph?
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Bleu!
Aphrodite Macbain: who they keep out
Qt Core: Hi Mick, Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hey all :)
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Mick!
Aphrodite Macbain: people
Bruce Mowbray: kk, whom they keep out.
Bleu Oleander: love the bamboo Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: San put up big stands of bamboo next to my property
Aphrodite Macbain: the really big stuff
Bruce Mowbray: this is a lovely playgoda....
Bleu Oleander: I saw that ... beautiful
Aphrodite Macbain: sweet of her
Aphrodite Macbain: She also lit bonfires around her property line
Bruce Mowbray: I love the versatile cushions.
Bleu Oleander: yes me too Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: I should go check out San's estate.
Bleu Oleander: she's just beginning
Aphrodite Macbain: Have you had any thoughts, Bleu, about our next exhibition?
Bleu Oleander: will look great I'm sure
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Aphrodite Macbain: her house is inside that enormous mound
Bleu Oleander: well, our first one will be about the pavilion designs
Aphrodite Macbain: you will install miniature models?
Bruce Mowbray: afk for just a sec...
Bleu Oleander: photos
Aphrodite Macbain: ah
Mickorod Renard: Hi
Bleu Oleander: will take us through the summer
Bleu Oleander: and then we'll vote
Bleu Oleander: we'll talk about that at the guardian mtg
Aphrodite Macbain: ah and you will put up the images as they are submitted
Bruce Mowbray: [back]
Aphrodite Macbain: good
Bleu Oleander: we need a working group and a landscape/building group
Aphrodite Macbain: I was wondering how we could compare and contrast
Bleu Oleander: yes Aph
Bruce Mowbray is very grateful that other people will build pavilions . . . since he has no talent in building whatsoever.
Aphrodite Macbain: Hard to keep all the ideas in mind at the same time
Lucinda Lavender: 's current display-name is "Luci".
Bleu Oleander: we can always rez the favorite(s) again
Aphrodite Macbain: true
Bleu Oleander: hey Luci
Bruce Mowbray: Luci!
Bleu Oleander: brb
Bruce Mowbray: welcome!
Mickorod Renard: it had crossed my mind whether we could miniturize ourselves to save prims
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi neighbour!
Mickorod Renard: Hi luci
Lucinda Lavender: HI Mick, aph,Bleu, bruce
Lucinda Lavender: qt
Mickorod Renard: :)
Bruce Mowbray: by "ourselves" are you referring to houses, pavilions, or avatars, Mick?
Lucinda Lavender: may I ask a mabe quick question?
Bruce Mowbray listens for a question from Lucy=i.
Aphrodite Macbain: maybe Luci
Bruce Mowbray: please go ahead.
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Mickorod Renard: evrything
Bruce Mowbray ponders mini-Bruce.
Mickorod Renard: but I guess it wouldnt work
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Lucinda Lavender: I changed my clothes here and the skirt is listed in objects as an attachment...I cannot seem to change it's color to blue. Any suggestions?
Aphrodite Macbain: It;s not so much the size but the number of scripts
Qt Core: bleu, yesterday we pondered putting pic of the proposed pavillions in the wiki
Aphrodite Macbain: can you edit your outfit Lucy?
Lucinda Lavender: everything but the skirt
Aphrodite Macbain: then it means you cant
Mickorod Renard: yeh, its strange that in sl size doesnt matter...he he
Lucinda Lavender: it can be discussed later if you were in the middle of something
Bleu Oleander: back :)
Aphrodite Macbain: smiles- the only place it odoesn't Mick!
Qt Core: and maybe letting people comments/review them there (to be a little more solid than soing it in emails)
Aphrodite Macbain: There are some things you aren't allowed to edit Lucy
Bleu Oleander: Qt, yes
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Riddle!
Aphrodite Macbain: It's easier to vote too. Vote for #1, 2 , 3 etc
Mickorod Renard: Hi Riddle
Riddle Sideways: Hi All
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Riddle
Bleu Oleander: I'll also put photos up in the art of being gallery
Lucinda Lavender: hi riddle
Aphrodite Macbain: It's so nice to see people I rarely see
Bleu Oleander: there's a notecard in the sign at the art of being plot
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: takes you to 4 levels with LM's in the notecard
Aphrodite Macbain notices a smaller Bruce
Bleu Oleander: hey Riddle
Bruce Mowbray: !
Bleu Oleander: mini Bruce :)
Riddle Sideways: there are more trees today :)
Riddle Sideways: having seen mini-Bruce in long time
Riddle Sideways: *haven't
Bruce Mowbray is experiencing the phenomenality of smallness.
Lucinda Lavender: :))
Bruce Mowbray and likes it.
Aphrodite Macbain: I added those bamboo trees
Bruce Mowbray: Your place is lovely, Aph.
Aphrodite Macbain: thank you Bruce!
Bruce Mowbray: I'll miss having you for a neighbor.
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm playing with sounds too - crickets and birds
Aphrodite Macbain: I miss you Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: a sort of weird question....
Aphrodite Macbain: Luci - I hope I'll be able to borrow a cup of sugar occasionally
Bruce Mowbray: is it possible for more than one person to own a house?
Bruce Mowbray: in Second Life.
Bruce Mowbray: ?
Lucinda Lavender: certainly Aph...
Aphrodite Macbain: to have a house in two names?
Bleu Oleander: what do you mean Bruce?
Bleu Oleander: to own a plot together?
Riddle Sideways: create a group
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bruce Mowbray: well, I mean, normally there is just one owner for a house - - - and that can be registered with SL as a "home" --
Lucinda Lavender: I wondered that too
Bleu Oleander: can have 10% more land with a group
Riddle Sideways: everybody in your group can drop things in your house
Bruce Mowbray: so, apparently, one cannot have a "home" unless one owns property, is a correct?
Bruce Mowbray: that*
Aphrodite Macbain: mdrop things?
Bleu Oleander: "allow to set home here" ... if the land owner allows that
Aphrodite Macbain: *drop
Bleu Oleander: you can set home to PaB
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh.
Bleu Oleander: just go up to world menu
Bleu Oleander: set home here
Bruce Mowbray: so "PaB common land" could be my home, then?
Bleu Oleander: anywhere in PaB
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bruce Mowbray: kk, thank you!
Lucinda Lavender: ok Luci has just arrived home
Bruce Mowbray: 
Bruce Mowbray: 
Riddle Sideways: it was probably your home before
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Bleu Oleander: yes, in your old plot
Aphrodite Macbain: home is where the PaB is
Bruce Mowbray: yes I understood that about my old plot, but that was my house, and I no longer have a house.
Bleu Oleander: its the land
Bruce Mowbray: or a plot.
Bleu Oleander: that's your home
Aphrodite Macbain: You can make any place your home Bruce
Bleu Oleander: the house is something you own
Bruce Mowbray: okay, I notice that I'm still able to come back to " the Hermitage" -- since that is designated as my home.
Bleu Oleander: set home here mean on the land
Aphrodite Macbain: I made an uderwater place my home when I wasfirst in SL
Bruce Mowbray: but I think that will change pretty soon.
Aphrodite Macbain: *underwater
Bleu Oleander: tuesday
Riddle Sideways: wb mick
Bruce Mowbray: heya, Mick!
Mickorod Renard: well..hi, ....
Aphrodite Macbain: what are you planning to do with your house Luci?
Aphrodite Macbain: I can give you some plants if you like. I have lots
Aphrodite Macbain: or furniture...
Lucinda Lavender: well I am not sure...I would like a few plants and maybe some cocking chairs
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Lucinda Lavender: oops rocking chairs
Lucinda Lavender: lol
Bleu Oleander: lol
Aphrodite Macbain: well, I have a rocking chair u could borrow
Riddle Sideways: bruce, you grew up
Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
Bruce Mowbray: and also acquired a fish.
Lucinda Lavender: great thank you
Aphrodite Macbain: yw. :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: did u get the rocking chair Luci?
Riddle Sideways: why are we supposed to have a house?
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Eden
Riddle Sideways: hi Eden
Mickorod Renard: yes, better Bruce..your ol self
Mickorod Renard: Hi Eden
Lucinda Lavender: yes thanks aph
Aphrodite Macbain: we arent' supposed to have anything Riddle
Lucinda Lavender: hi eden
Aphrodite Macbain: put anything there
Eden Haiku: Hi everyone :)
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Eden!
Riddle Sideways: went shopping for a park bench
Bleu Oleander: you can do anything you want with your individual plots that your own yourselves
Mickorod Renard: I have a park bench I think
Eden Haiku: I love the way your three butterflies inhabit your land Riddle :) Fluttering beauties...
Lucinda Lavender: tho we are supposed to not exceed the prim amount...do rocking chairs have prims?
Aphrodite Macbain: 3 butterflies and a tree is nice
Bleu Oleander: there are no individual plots on the group land
Bleu Oleander: Luci, yes
Riddle Sideways: ya mean the neighborhood association won't dictate the color of the elephant?
Bleu Oleander: you have 117 prims
Lucinda Lavender: ah..
Eden Haiku: That would be lovely to have an elephant tour in here :)
Bleu Oleander: LL will let you know when you go over :)
Riddle Sideways: the butterflies use to go further, but Cat keep returning them automagically
Bruce Mowbray: is that a rocking chair or a rocking horse?
Bruce Mowbray: This is .... ELEPHANTASTIC !!
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Bleu Oleander: we'll wait a few minutes to start the guardian meeting :)
Aphrodite Macbain: automagically :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: Is Eliza coming?
Riddle Sideways: speaking of phumts