The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Wol.
ElanVitalo: Hi, Wol.
Wol Euler: hello bruce, elan
Wol Euler: nice jacket, Bruce
Wol Euler: nice outfit, in fact
Wol Euler: matador?
Bruce Mowbray: thank you. This is my 18th-century suit that I wore to Aphrodite's play yesterday.
Wol Euler: ah
Bruce Mowbray: an excellent production it was, too!
Bruce Mowbray: my typist recorded the entire production and posted it online so that the players could see themselves - later.
Wol Euler: that was a good thing to do
ElanVitalo makes note to watch that video - later.
Bruce Mowbray: my typist has done that before Aphrodite in at least three of her plays, so far.
Bruce Mowbray: done that before - for Aphrodite*
ElanVitalo: speaking of Aphrodite, isn’t this her session?
Wol Euler: I don't know
Bruce Mowbray: I believe it is, Elan. but I also think she's going to Italy soon, so she's probably pretty busy today.
Wol Euler: very true
Bruce Mowbray: I think she's flying out on Wednesday.
Wol Euler: hello qt
Qt Core: Hi all!
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Qt.
ElanVitalo: Hi, Qt.
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Xir.
ElanVitalo: Hello, Xirana.
Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone!:)
Wol Euler: hello xira
Qt Core: hi Xir
Bruce Mowbray::)
ElanVitalo looks up ' unclaimed ' in his databases.
Xirana Oximoxi: are you synchronized:))
Bruce Mowbray: What do you mean, Xir?
Xirana Oximoxi: my question is related to the topic you have proposed, Bruce:)
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh!
Bruce Mowbray: Synchronicity!
Xirana Oximoxi: I have not seen the film
ElanVitalo watched the movie that Bruce recommended and really enjoyed it – I Origins
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2884206/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1w
Bruce Mowbray: I enjoy watching intelligent cinema.
ElanVitalo: So do I, Bruce
Xirana Oximoxi: I don't watch a lot of films lately...
Bruce Mowbray: My typist watches a different movie almost every night... because there's little else to do out here in the country, and because commercial television is so bad... and because there are so many movies he's not watched yet.
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...all good reasons:)
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray: ty.:)
--BELL—
Qt Core: I think i haven't watched an entire movie in months, i think i ruined my attention span with youtube videos
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh!
ElanVitalo: I almost ruined my attention span with MTV.
Xirana Oximoxi: MTV?
Qt Core: the one with music or the one with "reality" shows?
Bruce Mowbray wonders why we did not get a notice of the drop this time.
Xirana Oximoxi: Aph may be enjoying Italy right now...eating delicious pizza, spaghetti...:)
Qt Core: (a little late but yes, the more south you go the later you eat)
Wol Euler: Well, the time of the drop is now somewhat random, I hope it will happen during the next min--- there
Bruce Mowbray: I was thinking mostly of the music videos... on MTV
Bruce Mowbray: where they switch subjects every few seconds.... That does not contribute to a growing attention span, if you get my meaning
Qt Core: Today i made something that really resembled spaghetti... but they were soy sprouts
Bruce Mowbray: I fear that future generations may not be able to maintain their attention spans any longer than the length of time it takes to do a text message.
ElanVitalo: nods. Troubling.
Bruce Mowbray: Part of the problem with short attention spans is that one cannot appreciate the context, let alone focus on the subject matter.
Xirana Oximoxi: I don't know the 'soy sprouts'..I think I have never eaten.
Qt Core: https://www.google.it/search?q=soy+s...ed=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
Xirana Oximoxi: aand yes....I agree with Bruce that probably the use of internet and new technologies contributes to increase attention problems
Xirana Oximoxi: it also happens to me..and I am not 'new' generation:)
Bruce Mowbray: me neither, Xir.
ElanVitalo: Sometimes when I watch a movie, I will pause it in order to observe the context of a scene.
Bruce Mowbray listens
Qt Core: even long books, with an ebook reader (hardware or software) can be read in pieces, not giving oneself time to enter the scene
ElanVitalo: recently I watched a movie about the life of Caravaggio, and several of the scenes were actually patterned after his paintings.
ElanVitalo: and so I paused the movie in order to appreciate the cinematography.
Bruce Mowbray good plan, Elan.
Qt Core: on the other hand for the same reason people that would never start some tomes would
Bruce Mowbray: one can't do that in theaters, you know – pause the movie, I mean..
ElanVitalo: I know.
Qt Core: maybe if you own the place ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha.
Bruce Mowbray: Dream on, Elan.
Xirana Oximoxi::)
Bruce Mowbray: did you enjoy Aphrodite's play yesterday, Xir?
Bruce Mowbray: (ridiculous question, no?)
Xirana Oximoxi: I was in my laptop and it has no good graphic card..so not the best conditions to enjoy SL in general.
Xirana Oximoxi: but I liked what I could see and understand:)
Bruce Mowbray: My typist posted a video of the entire production if you'd care to check it out: http://www.hermitdog.com/Aph's%20pla...2015_04_19.mp4
Wol Euler: thanks, Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: It ran about 43 minutes, and I think one would have to have a good Internet server to stream the video.
Bruce Mowbray: yw, indeed.
Bruce Mowbray: it was great fun.
--BELL—
Xirana Oximoxi: yes:) and I guess that the most fun is to meet to prepare it all:)
ElanVitalo: I watched it last night from Bruce's website, and I almost laughed my head off.
ElanVitalo: very clever production, indeed.
Qt Core: downloading it right now, I’ll see that later
Xirana Oximoxi: is it possible to watch it on a website?
Bruce Mowbray: Anyway, I guess I could get out of my going to theater clothes now.
Qt Core: yes it is the natural thing that happens if you click that link
Bruce Mowbray: The link that I posted should enable you to watch it, Xir.
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.hermitdog.com/Aph's%20pla...2015_04_19.mp4
Bruce Mowbray: There you are.
Qt Core: do you have bandwidth limit on your website, Bruce ?
Bruce Mowbray: yes, unfortunately I do.
Xirana Oximoxi: thank you Bruce! I will watch it later:)
Bruce Mowbray: well not on the website itself.
Bruce Mowbray: just from my ISP.
Bruce Mowbray: you should be able to get the video at whatever speed your server permits you to download it.....
Xirana Oximoxi: ooopss..I get a message saying 'the video can't be played because the file is corrupt'
Bruce Mowbray: What?
Bruce Mowbray: Well that's interesting.... since I was able to play it with no problem at all. And Qt is now downloading it.
Qt Core: and you’re wondering if the website has a maximum amount of traffic (usually monthly) and hosting and advertising such a big file would break it
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I think that might be a problem. Thanks for that information, QT.
Bruce Mowbray: anyway, it was a great show.
Bruce Mowbray: and all is not lost ,Xir, because you were in the original audience.
Bruce Mowbray: as I recall.
Xirana Oximoxi: yes..I was there
ElanVitalo: ponders data quotas as "context."
ElanVitalo: Perhaps the MTV generation has smaller data quotas -- and therefore shorter attention spans.
Bruce Mowbray ponders writing Moby Dick in 144-character text bites.
Qt Core: just like a muscle not used maybe?
Bruce Mowbray: or whatever the number of characters allowed by Twitter might be.
ElanVitalo ponders expanding muscles of perception....
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Qt Core: some of them, like the real ones could be let shrink thanks to technology, but then to the limit of being healthy, then some of the mental ones like pure memory can, but the risk of shrinking the pure thinking one is great
Wol Euler nods.
ElanVitalo ponders "pure memory" and wonders what that might mean.
Qt Core: school insisting on sending poems to memory, just to say one instance of pure memory
Bruce Mowbray: I suspect that the mere act of perception "pollutes" the input....
Xirana Oximoxi: I go now...take care all and see you soon!
Bruce Mowbray: Oh, I see what you mean now, QT.
Bruce Mowbray: bye for now, Xir.
Wol Euler: bye xira, take care
Qt Core: Bye Xir
Xirana Oximoxi: bye:)
--BELL—
Bruce Mowbray: I guess I would call that sort of memorization "rote memory"
Bruce Mowbray: I was thinking more of perception generally,
Bruce Mowbray: and of how we bring ourselves to the experience - bringing subjectivity to the relationship with whatever it is that we are engaged in perceiving.
Qt Core: probably nothing but omniscience/illumination would pollute perception
Bruce Mowbray: hmmmm.
ElanVitalo: Does the phrase "I suspect we see this differently" make any sense to you, QT?
Qt Core: but knowing about that pollution may dampen it
Qt Core: surely to each one his pollution ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Good point, QT. Sometimes I wonder whether the purpose of mindfulness meditation is to give us more awareness of a context or for letting that context fall away.... and all other contexts fall away.
ElanVitalo: Speaking of falling away, it's time for me to go into another context. Thank you everyone.
Qt Core: bye Elan
Wol Euler: hehe
Qt Core: i think it is easier (at least for me) to just know that i pollute my perception and to try to recognize/remove that pollution in each instance
Bruce Mowbray: Objectivity is a tough nut.
Wol Euler: constant self-checking, as it were
Bruce Mowbray: Especially in the quantum realm, where our perceptions determine what we see.... Schrodinger's cat could be dead or alive.
Qt Core: but that, would too much of it erase your own personality ?
Bruce Mowbray: That's what I love about phenomenology, QT.
Bruce Mowbray: The subjective is honored as valid and essential.
Bruce Mowbray: to erase your own personality would be, in effect, to erase the reality of that encounter.
Qt Core: then it would not matter who encountered who.what
Bruce Mowbray: what gets bracketed out are the prior assumptions and judgments...
Bruce Mowbray: and all that's left are the actual experiences of the observer in the relationship....
Bruce Mowbray: it's a shifting around of what matters, I guess.
Bruce Mowbray: no longer dependent upon orthodox or culturally biased categories for meaning.....
Qt Core: those assumptions are still there, some will survive the meeting some not
Bruce Mowbray: for sure.
Bruce Mowbray: well, I guess it's time for me to be scraping up supper....
Bruce Mowbray: thank you for this meeting.
Qt Core: bye Bruce, enjoy
Bruce Mowbray: I wish you luck in viewing Aphrodite's play through that link I gave earlier... I guess it might be problematic for some though.
--BELL—
Wol Euler: well, I think I will be off as well
Wol Euler: goodnight, qt
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