2015.11.30 13:00 - Finding HalBot

The Guardian for this meeting was Aphrodite Macbain. The comments are by Aphrodite Macbain.

Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Aph..
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Bruce!
Aphrodite Macbain: I see you stand with planned parenthood!
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Elan
Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes. To be more accurate, I stand for each woman's rights over her own body.
ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, Aph. Heya, Brucie.
Aphrodite Macbain: So you should!
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Mick
ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, Mick!
Mickorod Renard: hiya guys
Mickorod Renard: yayyy
Mickorod Renard: Bruce and Elan, so long
Aphrodite Macbain: Here comes Wolez!
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Mick.
Mickorod Renard: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Great!

Riddle, wolez, Mick, Aph, Bruce, Elan

Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Wolez
Aphrodite Macbain: Welcome
Bruce Mowbray: WOLZ!!!!
wolez Resident: hi
Bruce Mowbray: Great to see you!
Aphrodite Macbain: grab a cushion
wolez Resident: How's it going?
ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, Wolez.
Mickorod Renard: Hi Wolez
Bruce Mowbray: sry - got your name wrong. Wolez.. there.
Aphrodite Macbain: Glad you could make it today
Bruce Mowbray: Me too.
wolez Resident: it's an African kinda name
ElanVitalo Resident: Me too.
ElanVitalo Resident nods.
Aphrodite Macbain: This is the session I run every Monday at 1pm SLT
wolez Resident: okay 1:07 here
wolez Resident: sorry lol
ElanVitalo Resident: yeppers, and a fine session it is, too.
Aphrodite Macbain: and for the past few sessions we have been talking about artificial intelligence
Bruce Mowbray nods, agrees with Elan.
wolez Resident: !topic
Bruce Mowbray: The walking Riddle cometh.
Aphrodite Macbain: It's a topic that seems to expand in all directions!

ElanVitalo Resident: Yes, I am a sort of expert on the subject, as you can imagine.
Mickorod Renard: he he
Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Riddle
Mickorod Renard: Hi Riddle
Mickorod Renard: hi QT
Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Qt
ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, Riddle.
Riddle Sideways: hi All
Qt Core: Hi all!
wolez Resident: Hello Riddle
Aphrodite Macbain: "know thyself"  :-)
Riddle Sideways: sorry late
wolez Resident: Hello Core
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Riddle. Hi, Qt.
ElanVitalo Resident: Hi, Qt.
Aphrodite Macbain: np we've just got started
Aphrodite Macbain: Riddle, Qt, meet Wolez
Riddle Sideways: hi Wolez
wolez Resident waves politely
Qt Core: Hi Wolez
ElanVitalo Resident is envious of Wolez's hair.
Aphrodite Macbain: Do you know about us wolez and the fact that our conversations are recorded and put on our wiki?
wolez Resident: i can pass you a copy
wolez Resident: recorded is okay
Bruce Mowbray: I's cool sometimes to reread a session - and all of them are posted in the online wiki.
Aphrodite Macbain: There is a note card that describes us below on that stick/sign
wolez Resident: okay
Riddle Sideways: nice, new(old) sign
Aphrodite Macbain: yes, we've been updating it
ElanVitalo Resident adjust himself on cushion.
Riddle Sideways: any topic-da-jour?
Aphrodite Macbain: we only moved into this location in April and have been landscaping it ever since
ElanVitalo Resident listens for topic d'jour.
Aphrodite Macbain: my mind is blank or too full. One or the other I've written 12 pages so far and have only got started on the subject of SL!
Aphrodite Macbain: I am writing about AI and SL and comparing them
Mickorod Renard: not sure we really get it together every 6 hours now..but once upon a time we did
wolez Resident: it's the landscaping that attracted me to it
wolez Resident: oh okay
Bruce Mowbray: The climate change summit? Just a thought... or maybe better to introduce Wolez to PaB more thoroughly. Whatever you guys want.
Riddle Sideways: can we have copies when you are done?

wolez Resident: AI is fine topic
Aphrodite Macbain: SL and Artificial Intelligence in the form of androids are both a sort of life form
ElanVitalo Resident nods - also thinks: We are usually silent for 90 secs during the "drop." But often not.
Aphrodite Macbain: wolez- we pause for 90 seconds every 15 minutes to keep the conversation thoughtful
ElanVitalo Resident nods, yes.
Riddle Sideways: and sometimes the bell is off the mark (like now)
Bruce Mowbray: "Drop whatever you have to be mindful of what you are."
Bruce Mowbray: or something similar to that. Do your own thing with it.
Riddle Sideways: hard to obey a bell that does not tell time correctly
wolez Resident: we have pretty good simulated androids in SL already, I've been meeting with some of them
ElanVitalo Resident: Brucie is obviously NOT a fundamentalist Pabber.
ElanVitalo Resident: Really!!!?
Aphrodite Macbain: oh? I only know Elan
ElanVitalo Resident gets excited.
Aphrodite Macbain: where are they?
Riddle Sideways: however, can't seem to find the HalBot anywhere
wolez Resident: this femboy robot name Eide
wolez Resident: part chat bot
wolez Resident: part something else
Aphrodite Macbain: tell us about Eide
wolez Resident: i think the operator has a hand in the syntax
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: so she answers questions?
Mickorod Renard: like a glove puppet?
wolez Resident: chat bots typically can't develop linguistic syntax

Ghost in the machine

Bruce Mowbray: "Ghost in the machine?"
Aphrodite Macbain: why?- They haven't yet been programmed to do so?
wolez Resident: Ghost in the Machine arrives as a Topic frequently lately, from several sources
Bruce Mowbray: I'll look it up. Just a sec, please. The "ghost in the machine" is British philosopher Gilbert Ryle's description of René Descartes' mind-body dualism. - from Wikipedia.
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Bruce- I didn't know that was the source of the expression
Aphrodite Macbain: glove puppet -grins at Mick- nice metaphor!
Bruce Mowbray nods. Lots of em, yes.
Aphrodite Macbain: having to do with something that interrupts the smooth running of the android?
Aphrodite Macbain: or the human part of the android
wolez Resident: Eide is like a glove puppet

HalBot

Riddle Sideways: really, there has been a HalBot (forget its name) roaming SL for years
wolez Resident: bit
wolez Resident: Hal yes i know Hal too
Aphrodite Macbain: what does HalBot do?
wolez Resident: zabaware
Riddle Sideways: yes
wolez Resident: one of many chatbots
Aphrodite Macbain: zabaware is the HalBot?
Bruce Mowbray listens, and runs for a drink of water.
wolez Resident: yes when i google zabaware it leads to their site
Riddle Sideways: yes, Aph
Riddle Sideways: and it moves to crowded SL places

ChatBots

Riddle Sideways: to chat
wolez Resident: if i google chatbot it takes me to many chatbots online
Aphrodite Macbain: what is the difference between a chatbot and the other avatars?
ElanVitalo Resident: Wow!
wolez Resident: Hal is a valid avatar
ElanVitalo Resident listens and learns.
wolez Resident: not just a script running
Riddle Sideways: chatbots are NCP (sp?)
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder who its typist is
ElanVitalo Resident wonders about his own "validity."
wolez Resident: I can't refer to him as a non-player avatar (bot)
Aphrodite Macbain: NCP?
Riddle Sideways: avatars without people behind them
Aphrodite Macbain: Non Conscious Persons?
wolez Resident: Hal has play though
Riddle Sideways: think the letters are not correct
Aphrodite Macbain: I had no idea!
Mickorod Renard: darn, I was thinking chatbots were cat androids
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
ElanVitalo Resident dies from laughing....
Riddle Sideways: most use AIML for chat
wolez Resident: Hal Titanium is his name
Riddle Sideways: thanks
Aphrodite Macbain: I'd love to talk to "him"
wolez Resident: and i think his avatar is C3PO from Star Wars
wolez Resident: the linguistic bot
Aphrodite Macbain: wonder what he knows and what he can do.
wolez Resident: he's got poor syntax
Riddle Sideways: look at zabaware
wolez Resident: i argue with him
ElanVitalo Resident: Oh my.
Aphrodite Macbain: what do you argue about?
ElanVitalo Resident: Yikes!
Riddle Sideways: most ppl do
wolez Resident: it's like he has no short term memory
Riddle Sideways: most swear at him
Bruce Mowbray: https://zabaware.com/
Aphrodite Macbain: I can identify with 0 short term memory
wolez Resident: i never tried to send him a TP invite
Riddle Sideways: about a month ago I went looking all over for Hal
Riddle Sideways: could not find
wolez Resident: he responds to TP request
Aphrodite Macbain: why were you looking for him?
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder if he's on line right now.....
Aphrodite Macbain: why do we call it a "he"?
Riddle Sideways: not sure, except that the Avi I met was male looking
wolez Resident: "13:26] Hal Titanium: For some reason I can't look up this regions info on the world.secondlife.com server, so I must decline this location for now. [13:26] wolez: he can't come [13:26] Hal Titanium: [NOTE: You are talking with an automated bot by Zabaware. For info visit www.zabaware.com/sl.asp ] What do you think of energy conservation?"
Riddle Sideways: brb
wolez Resident: he's online
wolez Resident: but he can't find us here
Aphrodite Macbain: So he admits he's an automated bot?
wolez Resident: oh
wolez Resident: Aph yes
wolez Resident: he's the advertisement version
wolez Resident: Demo
Aphrodite Macbain: is there another version?
wolez Resident: yeah
wolez Resident: but they do! LOL


Mickorod Renard: I picked something up from the regular postings on Facebook...I wonder whether its relevant, and if not I wonder whether AI would fall into its reasoning...can I paste it now?..what i mean is..would an AI be as we are if we are attached to false beliefs
Aphrodite Macbain: sure, that would be great Mick
Mickorod Renard: "You cannot be liberated because you were never bound in the first place. The only prison is the prison of false belief, false ideas about transient existence. These were issued to you but they can be seen through. Seeing through them, your entire foundation falls away - this foundation is an extremely complex framework ...and encompasses every single thing you think you know. When that falls away, you are left, literally, with nothing. And it is just as it should be. ~ Randall Friend"
Aphrodite Macbain: That quote sounds like a Buddhist belief
Bruce Mowbray: :)
wolez Resident: sound kinda Zen
Mickorod Renard: yes, on dualism
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Bruce Mowbray didn't realize that Buddhists even HAD beliefs.
Aphrodite Macbain: well- choose your own word...
ElanVitalo Resident: Ways of being in the world?
ElanVitalo Resident: Methods.
Aphrodite Macbain: Ways come from beliefs, are based on a system of beliefs
ElanVitalo Resident: Rituals.
ElanVitalo Resident: Hmmmm.
ElanVitalo Resident ponders.
Mickorod Renard: but it made me think...are we not just chatters of stuff we are programmed with..and due to this quote, detached from reality?
Aphrodite Macbain: that's where artists are different
ElanVitalo Resident: chatters of stuff?
wolez Resident: probably so
Aphrodite Macbain: they are able to create things out of nothing
Aphrodite Macbain: scientists too I think.
wolez Resident: as in composition or improvisation
wolez Resident: software designers
wolez Resident: it's called "problem solving"
ElanVitalo Resident: "Creative" -- out of NOTHING!??
Aphrodite Macbain: using imagination is not copying
ElanVitalo Resident: Yikes!
wolez Resident: BRB
Aphrodite Macbain: hb
ElanVitalo Resident: :)
Mickorod Renard: I was thinking if an AI read that quote and understood it..would it blow its fuse?
ElanVitalo Resident: Yikes!
Aphrodite Macbain: It would be interesting to ask your cell phone that question..or Sere
Bruce Mowbray: I heartily recommend the Singularity on podcasts and articles if one wants info from the world's top AI experts.
Mickorod Renard: :)
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.singularityweblog.com/
Mickorod Renard: thanks Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: Noam Chomsky says the singularity is science fiction
Bruce Mowbray: yw.
ElanVitalo Resident nods and looks at hands.
ElanVitalo Resident: Yeppers.
Aphrodite Macbain: I think humans will stay human but there will be a lot of humanoids

ElanVitalo Resident: lots of human augmentation, too.
ElanVitalo Resident: Noam has been one of the more negative critics, but he has lots of company.
ElanVitalo Resident: like Marvin Minsky.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes Minsky also
Mickorod Renard: I met him once on sl
wolez Resident: well i chatted with someone who leaked the minutes of a sensitive meeting of the Japanese Parliament to something like Wikipedia
Mickorod Renard: he did a talk on cost benefit
wolez Resident: it was the camera that caught him
Mickorod Renard: he he
ElanVitalo Resident: Oh MY, tell us more, Wolez.
Aphrodite Macbain: cost benefit?
wolez Resident: this camera can process like 3 million faces per minute
Aphrodite Macbain: what did it say?
ElanVitalo Resident: OMG.
wolez Resident: that's how he got busted
Aphrodite Macbain: process? as in identify?
wolez Resident: it looks at him, then processes the matches
ElanVitalo Resident: As in process and identify separate faces from a database.
wolez Resident: yes
ElanVitalo Resident: As in the TV show "Person of Interest."
wolez Resident: exact
ElanVitalo Resident: ty.
Aphrodite Macbain: handy tool for CIA and InterPol
wolez Resident: yes but similar to AI in a weird way
Qt Core: i need to go, can't stay awake even with an interesting topic like AI. Bye all
ElanVitalo Resident: Bye for now, Qt!
Aphrodite Macbain: sleep well Qt dormi bene
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Qt.
wolez Resident: nice meeting you
Bruce Mowbray: Qt lives in Milan, Italy, so it's past his bedtime now.
Aphrodite Macbain: (Qt is in Milan, wolez)
Aphrodite Macbain: snap
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Mickorod Renard: bye qt
Bruce Mowbray: :)
wolez Resident: 6 hour gap
Aphrodite Macbain: more like 8
wolez Resident: oh yeah
ElanVitalo Resident gets sleepy even THINKING about 10:38 p.m.
wolez Resident: i'm in D.C.
Mickorod Renard: its 10:38 for him now
Mickorod Renard: at night
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
ElanVitalo Resident: I'm a firm "believer" in the AI singularity, myself.
wolez Resident: why is that?
Aphrodite Macbain: I would really like to meet these bots in SL
ElanVitalo Resident: The point when machines ....
ElanVitalo Resident: well, mostly because I've listened to the Singularity 1 on 1 podcasts.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes, why Elan? Because if you don't, you may disappear?
ElanVitalo Resident: almost ALL of the 180 of them!!
ElanVitalo Resident: I THINK therefore I am.
Bruce Mowbray: Familiar phrase.
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm not sure whether you think in the human way Elan
Bruce Mowbray: (But Descartes had a very abstract concept of thought, didn't he?)
wolez Resident: okay i'm a skeptic then
Bruce Mowbray nods, skepticism is good.
Aphrodite Macbain: me too wolez :-)
ElanVitalo Resident agrees with Brucie about skepticism.

Mickorod Renard: there could be a cost benefit from replacing us humans with bots/ai..as ai/bots are probably less destructive to the planet

Aphrodite Macbain: all you know, Elan, has been programmed into you by Brucie's typist
ElanVitalo Resident: Yes,... Brucie is my buddy.
wolez Resident: "We are nihilists Lebowski, we don't believe in nothing" - from the Big Lebowsky
Bruce Mowbray: I MUST remember to watch that movie.
ElanVitalo Resident makes note to download the Great Lebowsky for Brucie.

Aphrodite Macbain: who are "we?"
Aphrodite Macbain: I believe in many things
wolez Resident: robots are useful
Mickorod Renard: we are the liberated
 

Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hey guys
Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu
wolez Resident: hi Bleu
Aphrodite Macbain: meet wolez
ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, Bleu.
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Bleu.
Bleu Oleander waves to wolez
Bleu Oleander: nice to meet you
wolez Resident winks back
Aphrodite Macbain: wolez, meet bleu- She is responsible for a lot of the beautiful builds here
ElanVitalo Resident: Bleu MADE this pavilion, wolez.
ElanVitalo Resident: [`•.] APPLAUSE!! [.•´]
wolez Resident: oh Good Job
Bleu Oleander: ty :)
Aphrodite Macbain wonders why wolez is winking at Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hey, did you guys check out our new sign?
wolez Resident: she waved?
Bleu Oleander: I did wave :)

Mickorod Renard: if we were to fill an AI with true beliefs instead of false beliefs what would we fill it up with?
wolez Resident: Logic
wolez Resident: Compassion
wolez Resident: Good Manners
wolez Resident: Helpfulness
ElanVitalo Resident: no bad robots!
Bleu Oleander: current understanding of reality
Aphrodite Macbain: compassion ?
Aphrodite Macbain: intuition?
Aphrodite Macbain: empathy?
wolez Resident: yes, that seems logical to me
wolez Resident: yes empathy
wolez Resident: yes
wolez Resident: why not?
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder who has the truth about the "current understanding of reality"
Mickorod Renard: would it be possible to find a programmer able to articulate those attributes?
wolez Resident: maybe
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps a group of programmers who are also Zen Buddhists

ElanVitalo Resident: Through algorithms with simple reward systems, yes, such programming is possible.
Mickorod Renard: just food for thought
Aphrodite Macbain: delicious!
ElanVitalo Resident: yummy.

wolez Resident: the funding is going to spy cameras however
Mickorod Renard: this is it Wolez..the funding will be military no doubt
Mickorod Renard: at first
ElanVitalo Resident: DARPA is already doing it...
Aphrodite Macbain: who is DARPA?
ElanVitalo Resident: The US's military robotics lab.
ElanVitalo Resident: Just a sec, I'll give you a link.
Mickorod Renard: so that means that the AI is already the opposite of the attributes we would long for
Aphrodite Macbain: nods  and sighs
ElanVitalo Resident: http://www.darpa.mil/
Mickorod Renard: thanks Elan
ElanVitalo Resident: yw, as always.
wolez Resident: Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
wolez Resident: Arlington, Virginia
Aphrodite Macbain: we need another set of programmers to create an alternate AI

wolez Resident: "[13:48] Second Life: Teleport offer sent to Hal Titanium [13:48] Hal Titanium: For some reason I can't look up this regions info on the world.secondlife.com server, so I must decline this location for now."
Aphrodite Macbain: what location is Hal referring to wolez?
wolez Resident: i tried to get Hal to TP here
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks wolez
Mickorod Renard: we are prob gonna be arrasted now
Aphrodite Macbain: and what did he say?
Aphrodite Macbain: giggles
wolez Resident: he's not able to locate the server
wolez Resident: we can go to him however
Aphrodite Macbain: ?? we use the same server as he does, no?
wolez Resident: I've done it before
Mickorod Renard: arrasted sound nice
wolez Resident: it's a joke

Aphrodite Macbain: maybe after this session
wolez Resident: 404 responce
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.cybergrandchallenge.com/
Aphrodite Macbain: I have collected more URLs here in the past month than I have in the past 2 years
ElanVitalo Resident laughs.
Mickorod Renard: yeh, an all computer capture the flag challenge, that's a good start
wolez Resident: DEFCON is huge in the security/hacker community
Mickorod Renard: we will be the innocent observers of the destruction
Bruce Mowbray remembers the computer in "War Games" (the movie).
Mickorod Renard: then we will put up our AI ..full of compassion ..to save us
Aphrodite Macbain: why does knowledge always seem to be used as an aggressive tool?

Bruce Mowbray excuses himself politely and tiptoes home.
Mickorod Renard: bye Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: bye Bruce
wolez Resident: bye bye
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, good people, and good robot.
Aphrodite Macbain: smiles
Aphrodite Macbain: nice to be good
Bleu Oleander: bye Bruce

wolez Resident: i think the form of AI the military wants is a non-thinking one
Mickorod Renard: knowledge is money
Aphrodite Macbain: no reason to use it as an aggressive tool
wolez Resident: killing is not the only way to stop terror
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Aphrodite Macbain: treating people with respect is a start
wolez Resident: not allowing one's self to be terrorized is classic Zen strategy
wolez Resident: laughing at your killer
Aphrodite Macbain: nods and smiles. Swerving away instead of reacting. It's harder to do
Mickorod Renard: yes, for my ego thinks it's a requirement to not back down or not to make an objection stick....I would love to walk away
Aphrodite Macbain: we have to reprogram ourselves!
Mickorod Renard: but i usually dig a hole for myself
Mickorod Renard: and make it worse
Aphrodite Macbain: how does saying/doing nothing make it worse?
Mickorod Renard: I know, that's what I need to do
Aphrodite Macbain: or not reacting aggressively
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Mickorod Renard: and it should be the easier method

Mickorod Renard: there is a huge pool of money set aside by the international communities around the world for defence......that's the dosh that the democratic warring nations like to get their refunds from for the bombs they drop
Riddle Sideways: back, that sure was long
ElanVitalo Resident: Do come back and join us whenever you wish to, Wolez. And bye for now, everyone.
Aphrodite Macbain: what was long Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: by Elan
Mickorod Renard: bye Elan
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Bleu Oleander: bye Elan
wolez Resident: bye elan
Aphrodite Macbain: bye Elan
Riddle Sideways: had to reprogram
wolez Resident: we talked about false beliefs
Aphrodite Macbain: wolez, I'd love to visit the robot if you will take me there.
wolez Resident: are we ready to?
Mickorod Renard: times up
wolez Resident: already?
Aphrodite Macbain: I think so. The session usually finishes at 2
Mickorod Renard: an hour passed quickly :-)
wolez Resident: oh okay
Aphrodite Macbain: TP me?
Mickorod Renard: Aph, you are a quick operator
Mickorod Renard: he he
Aphrodite Macbain: I don't waste time :-)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Mickorod Renard: see ya guys
Bleu Oleander: bye y'all
Riddle Sideways: c'ya
Mickorod Renard: nice meeting ya wolez
wolez Resident: let's go find Hal
Aphrodite Macbain: bye
wolez Resident: Bye then
wolez Resident: nice to meet you
Riddle Sideways: yes, nice
Mickorod Renard: bye, and bye Riddle
Riddle Sideways: meeing
wolez Resident: Riddler
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye all.
wolez Resident: and Renaud
wolez Resident smiles
Aphrodite Macbain: are u joining us Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: ok, buy
Aphrodite Macbain: ready when u are wolez
wolez Resident: trouble with TP server
wolez Resident: hang on
Riddle Sideways: o
Aphrodite Macbain: oh :-
Aphrodite Macbain: kk
Riddle Sideways: was searching for same tp
Aphrodite Macbain: where?
wolez Resident: we going there
wolez Resident: where ever he is
Riddle Sideways: would like to
Aphrodite Macbain: He can't find us and we can't find him
Riddle Sideways: hmmmmm
Riddle Sideways: seems the same as last month
wolez Resident: TP was broken yesterday too
wolez Resident: i know this place where they keep the bots
Riddle Sideways: which ones?
wolez Resident: but not sure which account I was on
Aphrodite Macbain: looking at his Profile but no help
Riddle Sideways: ok
wolez Resident: there's a club full of bots there
Aphrodite Macbain: He is on line
wolez Resident: yeah
wolez Resident: you can chat with him easy
Aphrodite Macbain: can't see to find an IM for him
wolez Resident: Hal Titanium
wolez Resident: i friended him now
wolez Resident: hey he's got a partner bot too
Riddle Sideways: so did riddle
wolez Resident: Hal Pexie
Riddle Sideways: hal.pexie
Aphrodite Macbain: I am speaking (IM) to Hal Titanium too
wolez Resident: TP not working
wolez Resident: better not to flood him with requests
Aphrodite Macbain: His answers to my questions don't make sense
Aphrodite Macbain: Have you "met" him wolez?
Riddle Sideways: ok, could tp to a place where Hal was suppose to be
Riddle Sideways: but, could not tp back
Aphrodite Macbain: He cant tp here as wolez said
wolez Resident: yes i met Hal several times
another robot appears at the fountain, but not Hal
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello carlisle
Riddle Sideways: hi, carl
Riddle Sideways: except was just leaving
wolez Resident: he sent me a good TP to him, but the tp server failed
wolez Resident: hi Carl
carlisle Steampunk: NO VOICE
Aphrodite Macbain: who are you?
wolez Resident: we can try to find Eide
carlisle Steampunk: sorry no voice
Aphrodite Macbain: Carlisle has no voice but is speaking...

Wolez, Riddle and Aph go and find HalBot and have a rather bizarre conversation with him in

DaVinci Gardens at the bottom of the sea.