2017.11.13 13:00 - Home is Where the Art is

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

     

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    Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
    Bleu Oleander: hi Tura
    Tura Brezoianu: hi Bleu
    Tura Brezoianu: nice exhibition
    Agatha Macbeth: She's making an exhibition of herself
    Bleu Oleander: a lot of interesting images today
    Agatha Macbeth: The art of eden
    --BELL--
    Bruce Mowbray: 's current display-name is "Bruce".
    Bleu Oleander: hiya Bruce
    Agatha Macbeth: Brucie!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Bleu. Hi, aggers. Hi, Tura.
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh MY!
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Mick.
    Bleu Oleander: hey Mick
    Agatha Macbeth: G'day Mick
    Mickorod Renard: wait for meeeee!
    Agatha Macbeth: Stop standing on Tura :p
    Mickorod Renard: Hi
    Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: whoa nice, ty Bleu
    Agatha Macbeth: And here's our Liz
    Agatha Macbeth: Now we can start
    Eliza Madrigal *just* finished the chapter
    Bleu Oleander: yw!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Eliza.
    Bleu Oleander: just a few of the images mentioned in this chapter
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Eliza
    Mickorod Renard: sorry Tura
    Agatha Macbeth: Art for Eve's sake
    Bleu Oleander: she was quite the inspiration
    Bleu Oleander: Adam too
    Agatha Macbeth: Fig leaves much in evidence
    Bleu Oleander: shame played a big role
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe it wasn't an apple but a fig :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Shame
    Bleu Oleander: actually just says a piece of fruit
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Bleu Oleander: apples were a later interpretation
    Agatha Macbeth: Could have been an avacado
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Mickorod Renard: I wonder whether the word fruit may have been a metaphore?
    Eliza Madrigal: funny to imagine
    Bruce Mowbray: Could also have been another sort of "knowledge" altogether.
    Bruce Mowbray: it came from the tree of knowledge, after ll.
    Bruce Mowbray: (of good and evil).
    Bleu Oleander: so why would the gods not want humans to have knowledge?
    Mickorod Renard: fruit could be the product of some comming together?
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting question... metaphor for? taking the reward first?
    Agatha Macbeth: Same reason the Church didn't?
    Bruce Mowbray: In Greek mythology, they didn't want u to have fire, either.
    Bruce Mowbray: us*
    Bleu Oleander: no knowledge of good and evil ... how were they supposed to decide to be good then?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, that's the conundrum.
    Bleu Oleander: they were set up LOL
    Tura Brezoianu: The same thing happens in the Babel story, God wanting to keep Man down.
    Eliza Madrigal: "don't take what was not given"
    Mickorod Renard: what sort of information would we want to protect our children from?
    Eliza Madrigal: Is* not was
    Mickorod Renard: after all we are playing as Gods
    Mickorod Renard: being*
    Agatha Macbeth: And failing miserably for the most part
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Mickorod Renard: we would want to protect them from porn and fire and maybe drugs
    Eliza Madrigal: our example was to banish anyone who disagrees with us...
    Bleu Oleander: the Durer etching behind Mick is the one that Greenblatt says became the definitive Adam and Eve
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Agatha Macbeth: Not from porn! :P
    Bruce Mowbray: 1504?
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: 1504?
    Bleu Oleander: when it could be printed
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Eliza Madrigal: that's the image I didn't know I had in my head, but yep
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeahm the etching.
    Bleu Oleander: up until then, you had to visit the individual paintings
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeah.
    Bleu Oleander: amazing to think, if the internet had existed back then, how fast images, ideas would have spread
    Agatha Macbeth: Viral Da Vinci
    Eliza Madrigal: and maybe not been settled on as definitive so easily
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Bleu Oleander: lots of A and E blogs LOL
    Eliza Madrigal: "I'm with her"
    Bruce Mowbray tries to imagine Gutenberg sending Tweets . . . intead of printing.
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Tura Brezoianu: Speaking of which, I just remembered I wrote this a while back: http://turabrez.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/god-bored.html
    Eliza Madrigal clicks
    Mickorod Renard: cool, can we have a mo to look?
    --BELL--
    Bleu Oleander: fun Tura
    Eliza Madrigal: this is hilarious
    Eliza Madrigal: 'unfollow that guy' haha
    Bruce Mowbray: Great post, Tura!
    Mickorod Renard: nice, sort of brings it up to date
    Eliza Madrigal nods nods
    Bleu Oleander: really funny book by LA screenwriter, "The Story of God" by Matheson
    Mickorod Renard: see, that bit of genesis is too long
    Eliza Madrigal: which image are supposed to be the androgynous A & E?
    Mickorod Renard: I likes this chapter tho, I like the art and getting into Durer
    Eliza Madrigal: *is
    Bleu Oleander: this one is from the Catacombs ... really old
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, okay I thought so... thank you
    Bleu Oleander: this is a detail from the Bernward Doors
    Agatha Macbeth: Not Erin Doors
    Mickorod Renard: the big door is impressive, I might go and have a look at that in the wood
    Bleu Oleander: this is an image of the doors ... telling the whole story
    Agatha Macbeth: 'This is the end...'
    Bleu Oleander: this one shows Adam as a scull
    Bleu Oleander feels like Vanna White LOL
    Agatha Macbeth: What's Jesus doing there?
    Mickorod Renard: hes a bit down trodden at that stage
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Bleu Oleander: Adam brought death into the world
    Bleu Oleander: and is often depicted this way as a scull
    Agatha Macbeth: What a party pooper
    Eliza Madrigal: A and E were on a vegan diet
    Bleu Oleander: Jesus is the "new" Adam
    Bleu Oleander: his lineage is traced back to the old Adam in the Gospel of Luke
    Agatha Macbeth: Back to begetting
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Bleu Oleander: one reason Augustine thought that in some way Adam and Eve had to be real
    Mickorod Renard: Jesus was tempted by the devil I believe,,was it in the wilderness?
    Bleu Oleander: yeah
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Bruce Mowbray: For Matthew, Jesus is the new Moses.
    Eliza Madrigal: hm
    Bruce Mowbray: (geneaology going back to Abraham).
    Eliza Madrigal: ah
    Bleu Oleander: yes, many variations
    Mickorod Renard: do you think there is a greater chance that a woman would be tempted easier..just by natural selection?
    Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't understand, Mick.....
    Mickorod Renard: for eg,,a survival instinct?
    Bleu Oleander: Mick, that's a shocking question LOL
    Eliza Madrigal: if Jesus was the new Adam, didn't he also need an Eve? Was eliminating Eve (in the interpretations he wasn't coupled) the way he 'won' ? :)
    Mickorod Renard: man more agressive..women have to use more submissive ways?
    Bleu Oleander: just have to look at our congress ha!
    Tura Brezoianu: or perhaps women think with their brains, men with their...
    Bleu Oleander: Mary became the new Eve ...
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, very representative
    Bleu Oleander: ha! Tura
    Mickorod Renard: But that is mother Mary?
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Bleu Oleander: Mary took over as the mother
    Eliza Madrigal: but how does that work? it isn't really the same in terms of relationship to jesus
    Bleu Oleander: no not the same
    Eliza Madrigal: I mean, if being technical
    Mickorod Renard: and yet, there is Mary Magdelene..who was in some respect his favorite..yet the church tried to make her look bad
    Bleu Oleander: nothing in the story is technical LOL
    Eliza Madrigal: that's what I was thinking of Mick
    Eliza Madrigal: true enough!
    Bleu Oleander: right, but Mary became the focus
    Bleu Oleander: smear job done on Mary Magdelene :)
    Mickorod Renard: would they have been trying to do a sort of reversal,,like reverting back to original in reverse
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray agrees, smear job.
    Mickorod Renard: like Durer..I have been practicing painting women so I can do a decent painting of Maary Mag
    Bruce Mowbray: Wwow! That's wonderful, Mick.
    Bleu Oleander: you'll have to show us Mick
    Mickorod Renard: I can't say i have achieved that state yet
    --BELL--
    Bleu Oleander: by next week?
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Eliza Madrigal: It feels like a lot of the shame was kept... else one would expect modern christianity to be a liberating and celebratory faith
    Bleu Oleander: agree
    Bleu Oleander: especially the Catholics
    Mickorod Renard: maybe if u take the church out,,beleive the smear job and then assume that mary Mag was the woman fallen that Jesus saved in a reversal of Eve falling and taking Adam down with her
    Bruce Mowbray: Shame is about what we ARE; guilt is about what we DID.
    Eliza Madrigal: Mick's gospel :)
    Mickorod Renard: Its handy to have a concience
    Bleu Oleander: hehe
    Agatha Macbeth: St Mick
    Mickorod Renard: otherwise we would be like Trump
    Bruce Mowbray: I like Mick's hermeneutic (interpretive method).
    Bleu Oleander: now that's shameful
    Mickorod Renard: :) ty
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: :) yw.
    Tura Brezoianu: So Eve is split into the two Marys, one pure, giving birth to Jesus, and one corrupted, to be saved by Jesus. (Just rambling...)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: One thing that makes the A & E story so universal is its variety of possible interpretations.
    Mickorod Renard: well, its a thought
    Eliza Madrigal: aha, interesting take
    Bruce Mowbray: Great rambling, Tura!!
    Eliza Madrigal: so all of mankind, as bride of christ, is new eve
    Mickorod Renard: If its a story like the others in the Bible,,the story talks to your own circumstances
    Eliza Madrigal: in this scheme :)
    Bruce Mowbray: That's really quite insightful . . .
    Bruce Mowbray: (@ Tura).
    Bruce Mowbray: and @ Eliza, too.
    Bleu Oleander: well, I think evolution changed the story
    Bleu Oleander: there is no "first family"
    Bruce Mowbray: Evolution changed everything!
    Eliza Madrigal looks around
    Bruce Mowbray: (like the printing press, sort of)
    Mickorod Renard: well...
    Bleu Oleander: going back 185 million generations, you were a fish :)
    Eliza Madrigal: who adam didn't name
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Bleu Oleander: LOL
    Eliza Madrigal: nameless fish
    Bruce Mowbray: Maybe there were no lakes in Eden.
    Mickorod Renard: with reptilian cortex?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bleu Oleander: pretty amazing to think that at no time did any offspring look substantially different than its parents
    Mickorod Renard: there must be a big picture
    Tura Brezoianu: There is the concept of mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam.
    Bruce Mowbray: The tree of evolution is an enormous bush.
    Mickorod Renard: thats a point Tura
    Bleu Oleander: yes Tura ... but they go back to different times
    Mickorod Renard: Bruce, were you meaning that in a sexual context?
    Bruce Mowbray: Too many advantages to ignor sexual reproduction....
    Bruce Mowbray: No, I meant that there are many many many off shoots.
    Bruce Mowbray: Not just branches.
    Mickorod Renard: ah. ty
    Bruce Mowbray: yw :)
    Bruce Mowbray: It fascinates me, though, that the old myths persist. . .
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: Bruce, that idea could be that the route of furthering evolution was by taking the fruit from the bush?
    Bruce Mowbray: like archetypes.
    Eliza Madrigal nods... was just pondering the fractal nature again
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow. Fascinating question.
    Bleu Oleander: George Washington chopping down the cherry tree ... myth that hangs on :)
    Bruce Mowbray: But, Mick, you question sort of makes two opposing paradigms collide.
    Bruce Mowbray: +r
    Mickorod Renard: how do u mean Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, if you mean the evolution of human knowing....
    Bruce Mowbray: Then yes.
    Mickorod Renard: yes, thats what I was thinking
    Bleu Oleander: cultural evolution?
    Bruce Mowbray: but otherwise, the Garden of Eden and evolution are two almost opposite ways of viewing reality.
    Bruce Mowbray: For one thing, evolution works from the bottom up,
    Mickorod Renard: a bit like a child becoming adult,,and having to take responsibility ..prior to that kept as an innocent
    Bruce Mowbray: wheres the Garden of Eden is definitely a top - down system.
    Bruce Mowbray: whereas*
    Eliza Madrigal: there seems to be a false notion that there wouldn't be inherent 'meaning' without the divine story
    Mickorod Renard: yes, if kept in the garden mankind would not have developed
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, that's a good parallel, Mick.
    Bleu Oleander: I think we make our own meaning
    Bruce Mowbray: For sure. So, would you advise Adam and Eve to eat more apples?
    Mickorod Renard: yes, for sure
    Bleu Oleander: sometimes we need a myth or two to do that
    Mickorod Renard: we are on our own now
    Eliza Madrigal: I think there is inherent beauty, then the meaning/stories/mythologies is sort of an effect
    --BELL--
    Bleu Oleander: inherent beauty?
    Bruce Mowbray loves "inherent beuty"
    Bruce Mowbray: beauty, too.
    Bleu Oleander: don't we make our own beauty too?
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe wonder would be a better word? awe for the way things are, mysterious, etc
    Eliza Madrigal: but beauty feels right to me
    Bleu Oleander: definitely varies by culture, beauty
    Bleu Oleander: from your perspective yes
    Bruce Mowbray: The multiple symmetries of nature are not there y accident.
    Bruce Mowbray: by*
    Bleu Oleander: well accident is a human words
    Eliza Madrigal: yes all these 'gorgeous' patterns
    Bleu Oleander: they are gorgeous to us
    Eliza Madrigal: mhm
    Bleu Oleander: maybe not to your dog
    Mickorod Renard: I did ponder the other end once,,ie death..a sort of collapsing star.....at some stage in ones life its better to be off without a bad concience....so the thought of redemption is good
    Bleu Oleander: its species specific
    Bruce Mowbray wonders which culture would not find flowers to be beautiful.
    Tura Brezoianu: God might have created all the living creatures by directing the evolution, and created man that way from the apes, then breathed in the spark that made man sentient. (Making my own meaning...)
    Bleu Oleander: look at music
    Mickorod Renard: I like that idea Tura
    Bleu Oleander: different cultures appreciate different art and music as beautiful ... foods too
    Eliza Madrigal: sort of a mirroring
    Bruce Mowbray once again loves Tura's take on things.
    Eliza Madrigal: but there is a drive or attention 'toward'
    Bleu Oleander: Tura's take is a great example of making meaning for herself
    Bruce Mowbray: :) Go for it, Bleu!
    Bruce Mowbray: (and Tura).
    Bleu Oleander: I continually make my own meaning :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: I oonce thought that if man were to live for another billion years he should be able to reate a universe by then..and then create his own lineage by going back in time
    Bleu Oleander: that's one theory Mick
    Bleu Oleander: that we are that creation
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Mickorod Renard: the beginning and the end
    Bruce Mowbray: Back to the future.
    Mickorod Renard: there is that chi ri thingy
    Eliza Madrigal: adam and eve, although told as a cautionary tale, actually reinforceprocreation ... one has the sense that "man ought not be alone" when gazing at even these paintings
    Tura Brezoianu: chi ri?
    Bruce Mowbray: In existentialist Christian interpretation, each of us is a re-picturing (re-enactment) of the Garden of Eden. . . as we make choices, we define mankind.
    Agatha Macbeth: Chi Rho?
    Agatha Macbeth: As in Constantine?
    Agatha Macbeth: In hoc signo vinces and all that
    Bruce Mowbray: "By this sign..."
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bleu
    Bruce Mowbray: THANK YOU< Bleu!!!!
    Eliza Madrigal: so back to the 'code' idea
    Mickorod Renard: maybe thats not the one I meant ,,there is one that means the beginning and the end
    Mickorod Renard: bye Blue
    Bruce Mowbray: Alpha Omega.
    Mickorod Renard: ah yes
    Eliza Madrigal: start at the end :)
    Bruce Mowbray: !!
    Agatha Macbeth: Chi rho is a combo of what looks like P and X
    Mickorod Renard: true, sorry
    Agatha Macbeth: But is actually R and KH
    Bruce Mowbray: (also a city in Egypt -- Cairo).
    Mickorod Renard: the Alph Omega thing is pretty Christian
    Agatha Macbeth: It's all Greek eh
    Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
    Agatha Macbeth: WB Bleuji
    Eliza Madrigal: The labarum (Greek: λάβαρον) was a vexillum (military standard) that displayed the "Chi-Rho" symbol ☧, a christogram formed from the first two Greek letters of the word "Christ" (Greek: ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ, or Χριστός) — Chi (χ) and Rho (ρ). It was first used by the Roman emperor Constantine the Great.
    Bruce Mowbray: WB, Bleu!
    Eliza Madrigal: wb Bleu :)
    Tura Brezoianu: wb!
    Bleu Oleander: ha! the SL gods punished me
    Eliza Madrigal laughs...
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought you'd forgotten your pictures!
    Eliza Madrigal: consequences
    Bleu Oleander: yep
    Mickorod Renard: Its a great book tho
    Bruce Mowbray is happy to see Bleu back, so he can THANK HER for this great posters!
    Bleu Oleander: yw
    Bruce Mowbray: these*
    Mickorod Renard: and this chapter,,reading about Durer reminded me od phenemenology
    Bleu Oleander: I have a few more for thursday
    Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
    Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Mickorod Renard: yayyyy
    Eliza Madrigal: **********Applause!!**********
    Eliza Madrigal: **********Applause!!**********
    Bleu Oleander: well now I must go ... and take my photos :)
    Eliza Madrigal: One line I highlighted from the chapter was... "As a Christian he believed in a single truth for all humankind, but that truth did not erase all directions."
    Mickorod Renard: we are nearly half way through
    Mickorod Renard: bye Bleu
    Bruce Mowbray: Some of would probably have been burned as heretics in the Middle Ages for stuff we've said here today -- but I love it.
    Bleu Oleander: take care all
    Eliza Madrigal: so there are some benefits to being alive in these 'interesting times'
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Bleu, tc
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Mickorod Renard: yes, noticed that Eliza
    Bruce Mowbray: THANK AGAIN, Bleu!

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    Agatha Macbeth: Place looks bare now
    Bruce Mowbray: Time to be a-scrping.
    Mickorod Renard: Thankyou Bleu, and Ags for hosting
    Mickorod Renard: #
    Bruce Mowbray: scraping*
    Mickorod Renard: Bye Brucei
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Bruce :)
    Tura Brezoianu: Interesting times are the best ones
    Mickorod Renard: ne er a truer word said
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Eliza Madrigal: there is something to withholding meaning as well as judgment perhaps
    Eliza Madrigal: or if it is close to the same thing.... to be able to gaze with detached curiosity
    Mickorod Renard: how do u mean Eliza?
    --BELL--
    Mickorod Renard: You mean ..throw a scrap and attract more
    Tura Brezoianu: yes, we attach meanings sometimes without even noticing we're doing that
    Eliza Madrigal: yes exactly
    Agatha Macbeth: Feeding the fish
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: we also miss lots by not taking notice
    Eliza Madrigal: so life is more pleasureable if able to entertain lots of contradictions and leave more space than definition
    Eliza Madrigal: true too
    Mickorod Renard: ah yes, like philosophy, if we go asking questions the answers offer more questions
    Eliza Madrigal: and can learn to enjoy that neverendingness
    Eliza Madrigal: I was trying to write something the other day and heard a kind of intuition to "resist the urge to give backstory"
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it was George
    Mickorod Renard: thats a tricky one
    Eliza Madrigal: and it became so clear that that was weighing down my writing
    Mickorod Renard: u dont want the audience to wander off
    Agatha Macbeth ponders heavy writing
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: you can set a stage without telling every detail
    Mickorod Renard: offer scraps to enthrall but keep em hungry
    Agatha Macbeth: No need to write a text book
    Eliza Madrigal nods... and every time you explain you're sort of locking in an interpretation
    Eliza Madrigal: yet, one feels somehow obligated to
    Agatha Macbeth: I think people tend to fill in their own gaps
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Agatha Macbeth: That tea is lasting Mick
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Mick's tea is the new onigokko tail
    Mickorod Renard: yes, is not really quenching my thirst
    Agatha Macbeth: The new what?

    Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
    Mickorod Renard: ok, before I go I will try and get it removed
    Eliza Madrigal: haha, I shouldn't have triggered that when unprepared ^.^
    Agatha Macbeth: stop
    Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
    Eliza Madrigal: stop
    Eliza Madrigal: onigokko
    Agatha Macbeth: Altogether...
    Eliza Madrigal: Tura are you an oni protester? :)) we have a few
    Eliza Madrigal: stop
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Agatha Macbeth: Tu is the new Korel
    Tura Brezoianu: I have one, but I never think to put it on
    Agatha Macbeth: I just noticed one of us is dreamy and one is a dreamer
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Mick gives us some pics of his RL art work

    Eliza Madrigal: oh, nice Mick
    Eliza Madrigal: I love your shadow work
    Mickorod Renard: its a bit richer in rl
    Agatha Macbeth: Shame we're not
    Eliza Madrigal: your paintings tend toward the lush?
    Eliza Madrigal: we're rich in appreciation :)
    Mickorod Renard: this is a copy of a perez
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh I say
    Mickorod Renard: I just like the brush strokes
    Agatha Macbeth: What's this Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: an oil
    Agatha Macbeth: One of yours?
    Mickorod Renard: its abou16" x 20" I think
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Agatha Macbeth: She's very Egyptian looking
    Mickorod Renard: ok, thats it
    Agatha Macbeth: Reminds me of Akhenaten
    Mickorod Renard: I get fed up with them after a while..I never really finnish them
    Eliza Madrigal: when I see these, I fill in the images of the dreams you've shared
    Tura Brezoianu: these are great
    Agatha Macbeth: They look pretty finished to me
    Mickorod Renard: ty
    Eliza Madrigal: they do
    Eliza Madrigal: what would be left?
    Mickorod Renard: things like hair or more contour to the face I fall short on,,they just are practice peices
    Eliza Madrigal: hope you share the Magdalene one day
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh pass her round :)
    Mickorod Renard: thats another perez copy,,if u buy his you pay £20,000
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal: deepest appreciation is probably to spend the kind of time you have
    Agatha Macbeth: Cheap at half the price
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Mickorod Renard: the first one I gave I did in about 3 hours
    Eliza Madrigal: wha?
    Mickorod Renard: Perez style is quick
    Agatha Macbeth: Knock up a quick Perez
    Mickorod Renard: more expressionist
    Eliza Madrigal: I like to try to paint abstracts, but an image always emerges
    Agatha Macbeth: Or just throw your dinner at the wall and you've got a Jackson Pollack
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: try looking at Franz Marc
    Eliza Madrigal likes Pollack
    Eliza Madrigal: want to stay in the no image ground as long as possible, but ultimately something comes forward, so Pollack achieved just staying out there
    Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't much cop at driving
    Mickorod Renard: my worst problem is my bad case of colour blindness
    Eliza Madrigal: that has to be a challenge Mick
    Eliza Madrigal: you just go by labels then?
    Mickorod Renard: its so frustrating
    Agatha Macbeth: True Mick, bit like writing a tone deaf symphony
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: I keep seperate selections of colour for certain jobs
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, palate ranges?
    Agatha Macbeth: This is where painting by numbers is great
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: but quite often Morg turns up and Ive painted in a complete wrong colour
    Agatha Macbeth: About the only form I can do
    Eliza Madrigal: not good for man to paint alone
    Eliza Madrigal giggles at herself
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Agatha Macbeth: See, wives are useful sometimes
    Eliza Madrigal: :) time for me to fly....
    Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks for this session
    Agatha Macbeth: Lady in red
    Mickorod Renard: bye folks
    Agatha Macbeth: Art for art's sake
    Eliza Madrigal waves warmly
    Tura Brezoianu: thanks all
    Eliza Madrigal tries to fly under the archway
    Agatha Macbeth: Be careful out there
    Eliza Madrigal: ouch
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    Tura Brezoianu: goodnight folks
    Eliza Madrigal: sweet dreams
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Tu

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