The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Aphrodite Macbain: 's current display-name is "Aph".
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Aphie
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya
Agatha Macbeth: I seem to have the books
Aphrodite Macbain: Lucky you!
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Agatha Macbeth: Beats kindle any day
Aphrodite Macbain: he
Aphrodite Macbain: I've just bought a tablet to read ebooks and I'm getting a headache trying to set it up.
Aphrodite Macbain: trouble is books are expensive
Agatha Macbeth: Oh not on amazon
Agatha Macbeth: (Usually)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Eliza Madrigal: Hiya :)
Agatha Macbeth: We are be-Lized
Eliza Madrigal: and agathered
Aphrodite Macbain: I've just spent over $100 to buy 4 books
Eliza Madrigal: and aphed?
Agatha Macbeth: A-gathered...like it
Aphrodite Macbain: smiles
Eliza Madrigal: Which books?
Aphrodite Macbain: books about medieval spain
Agatha Macbeth: Which books?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: :) good cause
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm going to Spain in May on a study tour
Agatha Macbeth: Espana medievala
Aphrodite Macbain: si
Aphrodite Macbain: 3 weeks in May
Agatha Macbeth: Just remember the maps will be out of date
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Where is this Castille place?
Aphrodite Macbain: what Castille place?
Agatha Macbeth: Exactly
Aphrodite Macbain: probably in Castille
Eliza Madrigal: that would be my guess
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth pushes Aph in the pool
Aphrodite Macbain: we are going south - Cordoba, Seville
Aphrodite Macbain: giggles
Aphrodite Macbain: I want to see the Al Hambra
Agatha Macbeth: Tales from the Alahambra
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Eliza Madrigal: so not too convenient to swing by Amsterdam? lol
Agatha Macbeth: Andalucia is named after the Vandals you know
Aphrodite Macbain: not really tho it depends which flights I will take
Aphrodite Macbain: No I didn't
Agatha Macbeth: Well it is
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Aphrodite Macbain: I dont see the similarity in the names
Aphrodite Macbain: Vandalucia?
Agatha Macbeth: They dropped the V for some reason
Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Mick
Mickorod Renard: ayup folks
Agatha Macbeth: The Spanish are like that
Eliza Madrigal: ello Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Micko
Aphrodite Macbain: So they probably preceded the Muslims
Mickorod Renard: ellooo ellloo
Aphrodite Macbain: where are you now Mick? In NOrth Africa?
Mickorod Renard: whos zat?
Bruce Mowbray: 's current display-name is "Bruce".
Agatha Macbeth: They were there at the same time as the Goths
Mickorod Renard: no back home
Aphrodite Macbain: ahh
Mickorod Renard: hiya Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: ello Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Don't think they listened to the Sisters of Mercy tho
Mickorod Renard: nackered and need a holiday
Agatha Macbeth: Brucie :)
Aphrodite Macbain: they hadn't heard Leonard Cohen
Agatha Macbeth: What you bin up to Mick?
Bruce Mowbray: :) Hi, everyone.
Mickorod Renard: ah yea, sisters of mercy,,they wre good
Aphrodite Macbain: He's been to Spain
Agatha Macbeth: Still are
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Is this a new trend then?
Aphrodite Macbain: If so, Mick is leading it
Mickorod Renard: I did portugal spain gibraltar and cassablanca
Agatha Macbeth: Or just giving the Catalans support
Aphrodite Macbain: Play it again Sam
Eliza Madrigal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnIl-ugMa7c
Mickorod Renard: i cant remember sis of mercy,,wa slong ago
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt!
Aphrodite Macbain: sound of Cohen between the sound of the waves
Mickorod Renard: Hi QT
Qt Core: Hi all
Agatha Macbeth: Buona sera amico
Aphrodite Macbain: Salve Qt
Agatha Macbeth: Live long and prosper
Qt Core: >:-)
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if Bleu's coming?
Aphrodite Macbain: speak of the devil...
Bleu Oleander: speak of the devil :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yayy
Mickorod Renard: Hi bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Now we can start
Eliza Madrigal: ello Bleu!
Aphrodite Macbain: snapperoo
Mickorod Renard: I have almost finnished the book while I was away
Mickorod Renard: but have nothing to offer and no clue where we are
Aphrodite Macbain: Did you read it on the beach?
Agatha Macbeth: Amazing how much reading time poeple get in airports
Mickorod Renard: no, generally in bed
Aphrodite Macbain: I think we are still lost in Paradise
Eliza Madrigal: almost finished Paradise Lost, mostly listening to audio
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we'll regain it
Mickorod Renard: its what u do in bed once u get old
Aphrodite Macbain: chuckles
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: All I do in bed is sleep
Eliza Madrigal grins
Bleu Oleander: :)
Mickorod Renard: sheep..oh sorry sleep
Qt Core: i'm already old, then :-(
Aphrodite Macbain: but those dreams!!!
Agatha Macbeth: Never needed sheep
Agatha Macbeth: The go baa and wake me up
Aphrodite Macbain: you need another animal
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps a quiet snake
Agatha Macbeth: An elephant in the bedroom?
Mickorod Renard: mmm I needed one of those a long time ago
Bleu Oleander: what did you think of Paradise Lost Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful, really
Mickorod Renard: and was it an abridged version?
Bleu Oleander: quite imaginative!
Eliza Madrigal: such a different feeling comes through
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: mind is filled with angels now
Bleu Oleander: Eve gets an interesting voice
Mickorod Renard: wow
Aphrodite Macbain: what does she have to say?
Bleu Oleander: Raphael was funny
Bleu Oleander: Michael not so much
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: that's true, and there are funny sort of bargains...
Aphrodite Macbain: Raph the angel
Agatha Macbeth: Was he eating pizza?
Bleu Oleander: quite a bit of conversation between all the players
Eliza Madrigal: with Raphael sort of saying, "if I give him some info maybe he won't crave the tree..." (not what he said)
Bleu Oleander: I had no idea
Eliza Madrigal: yes, and Jesus written already in the creation story
Eliza Madrigal: into*
Eliza Madrigal: I realized how many people quote what they think is the bible, but it is really PL
Bleu Oleander: yes!
Eliza Madrigal: also it was nice to hear so much of the "His Dark Materials" book inspiration
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: (runs to walk dog, apologies bell)
Mickorod Renard: what bsource was that?
Agatha Macbeth: Woof
Aphrodite Macbain: PL?
Mickorod Renard: I mean the dark source?
Aphrodite Macbain: probably came from the devil
Mickorod Renard: he he
Eliza Madrigal: k, son took him :)
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...Dark_Materials
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Bruce, it is a quite famous set of books, technically young adult but not really...
Mickorod Renard: ty bruce
Eliza Madrigal: even the titles and some of the gadgets are right out of Paradise Lost
Eliza Madrigal: so that's a side issue but made me smile
Bruce Mowbray: better: http://www.philip-pullman.com/hdm
Bleu Oleander: :)
Mickorod Renard: I see now, it wasnt Milton who had a dark source
Bleu Oleander: loved the rigged election in the "Pandemonium"
Bleu Oleander: gold castles in the underworld :)
Mickorod Renard: the full apradise lost is a big read yes?
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: 10,000 lines I think
Mickorod Renard: I dont know if I can fit it in,,
Eliza Madrigal: 12 short books/chapters. I'm not quite finished... but I also resorted to audio, while reading the book more in parts
Agatha Macbeth: Bragging again Mick
Bleu Oleander: audio helps
Eliza Madrigal: each book is narrated wonderfully on youtube (2nd edition)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hopefully not just in the US, i'll get a link....
Mickorod Renard: oh cool
Bleu Oleander: https://librivox.org/search?q=paradi..._form=advanced
Bleu Oleander: librivox is a great site for audio too
Eliza Madrigal: oh, great
Eliza Madrigal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taZ9VaRc-N0
Eliza Madrigal: youtube just in case easier
Mickorod Renard: thankyou,,saved on bookmark
Mickorod Renard: I wonder what it wud be like to leave it playing on headphones while u sleep?
Eliza Madrigal: :) would have to go back a lot... which I learned when I'd fade out and have to come back
Bleu Oleander: yes, happens
Mickorod Renard: do you mean you loose concentration?
Eliza Madrigal: easy when listening to audio, to begin multitasking, or go into light naps
Eliza Madrigal: and this really needs imaginative attention, or benefits from
Eliza Madrigal: very worthwhile though
Mickorod Renard: ah UI see,,I do that when I read,,i become aware I am no longer reading but playing out a dream related to the book
Eliza Madrigal: yes, which can be wonderful too :))
Aphrodite Macbain: I find memorizing the text is the best way to really focus on it and enjoy it. But who has time?
Mickorod Renard: crikey, never managed to remember the text unless I can picture it and read it from my mind
Bleu Oleander: time is always choices
Eliza Madrigal: memorizing seems like sketching? where you would pick up so much detail... you were lucky to have had teachers who asked you to do that Aph!
Mickorod Renard: poem form is good for that
Eliza Madrigal: (although I hated memorizing shakespeare in school)
Aphrodite Macbain: I remember liking it. Like memorizing MacBeth -I squeezed all the goodness from it
Aphrodite Macbain: and then when I watched it performed, it was fabulous
Mickorod Renard: my level of education only required you to wake up in the morning
Eliza Madrigal: ah, much better student...perhaps why you find yourself on a study tour to spain now :))
Eliza Madrigal: hahah Mick
--BELL--
Aphrodite Macbain: I was a very absent minded student
Aphrodite Macbain: I really had to work hard to memorize things
Aphrodite Macbain: I like to think it helped my memory
Aphrodite Macbain: but I dont think it did
Mickorod Renard: love to hear more about your latest study itinary Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Me too :-)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: we fly to Madrid and take the train to Cordoba
Mickorod Renard: when my son attended school in France he was expected to remember a new poem each week
Agatha Macbeth: Mon dieu
Mickorod Renard: and the su bject?
Aphrodite Macbain: Medieval Spain
Mickorod Renard: 3 religions?
Bleu Oleander: sounds great Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: the Moores, Christians and Jews
Mickorod Renard: oh i see,,thats why the moor thingy
Aphrodite Macbain: living together in harmony
Aphrodite Macbain: learning from each other
Bruce Mowbray: Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.
Mickorod Renard: they did much of that in many parts of the Med
Aphrodite Macbain: then the Spanish Inquisition happened and kicked out the Jews and Muslims
Bleu Oleander: http://travelinginspain.com/Mezquita.htm
Bruce Mowbray: not to mention Christians witches, heretics, etc etc etc.
Bleu Oleander: one of my favorite places I've ever been
Aphrodite Macbain: also the various Muslim sects began to fight - the Sunnis, Shiites etc
Aphrodite Macbain: Mezquita?
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: incredible
Bruce Mowbray: The Muslim art of south Spain had a profound influence on M.C. Escher's work.
Mickorod Renard: I didnt know that Bleu..but funny on this last trip I had i visited a few cathedreals that were originally Mosques
Aphrodite Macbain: It had a profound influence on many things
Bruce Mowbray: (he says that in his autobiography).
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- much of the architecture was altered and used by the conquering religion
Bleu Oleander: there's a cathedral in the middle of the mosque ... amazing
Aphrodite Macbain: they did that in Istanbul: the Hagia Sophia mosque was originally Christian
Aphrodite Macbain: wow
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Mickorod Renard: I went to a massive Mosque in Cassablanca..not sure it might be the biggest..but modern
Aphrodite Macbain: It's funny that that time (about 700-1300) were called the "Dark Ages." They were anything but dark.
Mickorod Renard: yes, that one in Istanbul i came across whilst reading Pistis Sophia..a glostic work
Mickorod Renard: gnostic
Aphrodite Macbain: glostic?
Mickorod Renard: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: ah
Mickorod Renard: Sophia means knowledge or wisdom
Aphrodite Macbain: Saint Wisdom
Mickorod Renard: we sure read some wierd stuff between us
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: well- maybe we're weird too
Eliza Madrigal: that could be the byline for the group now
Mickorod Renard: yayyy
Aphrodite Macbain: "being Weird"
Bleu Oleander: interesting that we read
Mickorod Renard: play as weird
Mickorod Renard: have we discussed what to read next?
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Aphrodite Macbain: I am trying to download books as they are so expensive otherwise. I even bought a new tablet so I could read them comfortably
Eliza Madrigal: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chronicles/The_Chapter_13%3a_Beginning_of_the_Second_Year_of_Play_as_Being/E._The_Adams_Rubble_story%2c_continued (photo of SL's St Catherines on this page)
Aphrodite Macbain: who writes the instructions...?
Bleu Oleander: I mostly get my books on kindle now
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Mickorod Renard: I have read a few on my phone using google books
Aphrodite Macbain: through Amazon?
Bleu Oleander: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: are we reading the next chapter for Thursday?
Bleu Oleander: chap 10?
Mickorod Renard: good idea,,which one is that?
Eliza Madrigal expects everyone to have finished Paradise Lost by Thursday, hahah
Mickorod Renard: ah 10, great
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Perfect
Mickorod Renard: will remind himself which one that is
Bleu Oleander: ha! Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: The one after number 9
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, was about to ask that -- also, I will read Paradise Lost for Thursday . . . . even though it is so L_O_N_G!
Eliza Madrigal grins
Bruce Mowbray: btw, I can post a free mp3 audio reading of PL if anyone wants it.
Mickorod Renard: how long does it take to watch the you tube version?
Bruce Mowbray: no idea, Mick.
Agatha Macbeth: Nice
Eliza Madrigal: each book is like 40 minutes long
Eliza Madrigal: 12 books
Bleu Oleander: yes
Mickorod Renard: 480 divided by 60
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it's that long in the mp3 audios too.
Eliza Madrigal: that's what happens when my kids have Thanksgiving with their family and I'm left with noodles and George
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha.
Bleu Oleander: librivox has different voices for the different chapters which may help
Mickorod Renard: is that 4 hours?
Bruce Mowbray: Something like that, mick.
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm reading on KIndle, " Ornament of the World: How Muslims, Jews and Christians created Culture and Tolerance in Medieval Spain" Hard to chose between the 2 books ..along with Mr Proust.
Bruce Mowbray: Mr Proust is FINE FINE FINE!
Aphrodite Macbain: Some wasy Milton complements the text
Aphrodite Macbain: ways
Aphrodite Macbain: but I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed
Bleu Oleander: yes it can be
Aphrodite Macbain: too many words, too much information
Mickorod Renard: with so many diferent books being read by us all maybe we should have a rest before the next chosen one?
Bruce Mowbray: too little time.
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Aphrodite Macbain: too little energy to be able to focuss
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm also thinking of brushing up my Spanish..
Bruce Mowbray: Paradise Lost is 10 hours total on mp3.
Aphrodite Macbain: wow
Eliza Madrigal: would that there come thirst for knowledge of cooperative/tolerance examples in our time
Mickorod Renard: I would like to do PL but not sure I would choose to do a discussion on it
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- the book I'm reading and the course I will be taking will have some valuable lessons...
Aphrodite Macbain: there is so much racist violence right now
Eliza Madrigal: a quest not to know, and not in the mysterious creative sense
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Eliza Madrigal: I was kidding about expecting reading btw Mick, don't feel pressured... but I'm thankful to have read it, equal to our reading the Greenblatt book, so thank Bleu for her pressure, hehe
Mickorod Renard: I would like some lessons in that field, but also I feel there is a pull away from religion in my environment..and i also feel the latest islamic troubles is making me negative. I was glad the other day to read a lot of Rumi
Mickorod Renard: nop Eliza
Bruce Mowbray: Rumi is FINE FINE FINE.
Bleu Oleander: yw! I enjoyed it too!
Eliza Madrigal: "Unless we breathe each other, there can be no garden." Rumi
Mickorod Renard: oh yes, there was so much in Rumi that I read that made me feel so connected
Eliza Madrigal: happened upon this quote in a shop last week and took note ^.^
Aphrodite Macbain: nice one Eliza
Bleu Oleander: brb
Aphrodite Macbain: A long history of poetry writing by Muslims
Aphrodite Macbain: and the art of calligraphy
Eliza Madrigal: deep history of dream studies as well, which I didn't know until recently
Aphrodite Macbain: as they couldn't represent people
Eliza Madrigal: ah
Aphrodite Macbain: only text
Aphrodite Macbain: but very beautiful text
Bruce Mowbray: (and designs).
Aphrodite Macbain: the word was god. God was the word..
Aphrodite Macbain: written all over their mosques
Mickorod Renard: Rumi in my mind expands what one may consider to be God ..especiallly in todays modern world
Aphrodite Macbain: he was a mystic
Bruce Mowbray: Must be a-scraping now. Chap 10 for Thursday. . . May all be safe and happy.
Mickorod Renard: ah ok Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bruce, happy scraping :))
Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Bruce. Enjoy Proust
Mickorod Renard: nice t c ya
Bleu Oleander: bye Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: very nice way of saying that Mick, definitely the mystic side I've been drawn to as well... about all religions
Qt Core: bye Bruc
Mickorod Renard: hope everyone thanksgiving went well?
Qt Core: at least for the ones celebrating it ;-)
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: ty eliza,,it is a sensitive subject
Aphrodite Macbain: back to my new tablet and figuring it out....
Eliza Madrigal: bye Aph, looking forward to hearing more of your learning along the way
Agatha Macbeth: Life is full of sensitive subjects
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye everyone
Mickorod Renard: bye Aph
Eliza Madrigal: true that
Agatha Macbeth: TC Aph
Qt Core: Bye all
Bleu Oleander: bye all
Mickorod Renard: bye QT
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bleuji
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bleu :) ::waves:::
Bleu Oleander: take care
Agatha Macbeth: And Mickji
Agatha Macbeth: And Qtji
Eliza Madrigal: bye playbeings :)
Mickorod Renard: I better go,,got 10 loads of washing to do
Agatha Macbeth: >.<
Eliza Madrigal waves
Mickorod Renard: byeeeeeee..thanks Ags
Agatha Macbeth: YW
Mickorod Renard: oh, Ags..do you think u may make Amsterjam?
Eliza Madrigal: thinking about it Mick?
Agatha Macbeth: Don't have any hamsters
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: So can't make jam of them
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Eliza Madrigal: didn't see the spelling until this second
Agatha Macbeth: I can eat edam and know the flavour
Mickorod Renard: I waz thinking wud be good if we had a few
Eliza Madrigal: someone needs to ping wol to look at emails
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Just don't tilit at any windmills
Mickorod Renard: yeh
Mickorod Renard: I can prob do it
Mickorod Renard: and morgano
Eliza Madrigal: would be a dream, but pricey flight for me
Mickorod Renard: yeh, cheap for us
Agatha Macbeth: Don't forget Wollie usually goes back to Canada around this time
Eliza Madrigal: I was tempted enough to do a preliminary search
Mickorod Renard: ahh..he he
Eliza Madrigal: that's true, but also sometimes they travel and meet in places
Eliza Madrigal imagines what it must have been like to grow up in a family like that
Mickorod Renard: well,,its a case of watch this space I guess
Eliza Madrigal: yes, I'm happy to keep records or help plan in ways I can
Mickorod Renard: ok,,c ya all soon..oh btw,,,i was sort of hoping to get to dreams
Eliza Madrigal: please do if you can :)
Eliza Madrigal: 12 pm SLT tomorrow
Mickorod Renard: kk,,bye for now
Eliza Madrigal: bfn
Agatha Macbeth: Laters

Agatha Macbeth: Where are your boots from? The creator seems totally anonymous

Eliza Madrigal: good question... let me see...

Eliza Madrigal: m1961187
Eliza Madrigal: that's the only info I see :)
Agatha Macbeth: Just an empty profile, not even any picks
Eliza Madrigal: I don't remember buying them
Agatha Macbeth: They won't sell much that way
Eliza Madrigal: just found them in inventory when I was setting
Eliza Madrigal: sorting
Agatha Macbeth: m1961187 sounds like a star or something
Agatha Macbeth: Or a galaxy
Eliza Madrigal: it does :)
Eliza Madrigal: or an asteroid
Agatha Macbeth: Heavenly bodies
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Where would we be without them
Eliza Madrigal: we wouldn't know
Eliza Madrigal: sorry, am keeping you :)
Agatha Macbeth: From?
Eliza Madrigal: rest, probably? busy season?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Best of the rest
Eliza Madrigal: we look ready for dancing
Agatha Macbeth: Works for moi
Agatha Macbeth: How's George?
Eliza Madrigal: looking longingly
Eliza Madrigal: he doesn't like it when I'm on the computer :)
Agatha Macbeth: At his bowl?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: wants to be playing, walking, or laying on my lap
Agatha Macbeth: It's a dog's life
Eliza Madrigal: :) need a second dog
Eliza Madrigal: to keep him company
Agatha Macbeth: Two dog night
Agatha Macbeth: Or was it three
Agatha Macbeth: Can't remember
Eliza Madrigal: there were 3... 3 dogs...
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eliza Madrigal: Night friend, be good to yourself and have some fun
Agatha Macbeth: Jeremiah was a bullfrog
Agatha Macbeth: I'll try
Eliza Madrigal: right, not a dog
Agatha Macbeth: Woof
Eliza Madrigal: :) smootches
Agatha Macbeth: Or rather ribbit
Agatha Macbeth: TC