2019.05.28 11:30 - Dreams - More Cats and Trump

 The Guardian for this meeting was Zen.  Aggers did the log.

 Zen (zen.arado): I looked at the long the other week and there were only the two of you there
 Tura Brezoianu: Last Thursday there was only me.
 Zen (zen.arado): I would have liked to have gone but it's too late for me
 Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): I've come when I can, but it's not always a good time for me
 Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): I finished reading the book
 Zen (zen.arado): Hi Riddle
 Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): hi Riddle
 Riddle Sideways: hi All
 Zen (zen.arado): I read the book too
 Zen (zen.arado): interesting though you don't really get any answers
 Zen (zen.arado): perhaps there isn't any answer
 Tura Brezoianu: That's against the rules in philosophy :)
 Zen (zen.arado): ( Wu Wei book)  riddle
 Riddle Sideways: ah thanks
 Zen (zen.arado): hey I never got any answers in philosophy either
 Zen (zen.arado): just more and more questions
 Riddle Sideways: the answers are left as an exercise for the reader
 Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): like a koan ... there is no logical answer. it's supposed to cut through your habitual thought patterns
 Zen (zen.arado): yes
 Zen (zen.arado): I keep reading articles and spiritual books that say you don't need to do anything
 Zen (zen.arado): it must be because I  think there is something missing
 Zen (zen.arado): some magic ingredient I need
 Zen (zen.arado): this is it folks :-)
 Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): you don't need to do anything, except keep reading my books (the author says) ;)
 Zen (zen.arado): wonder if Agatha is coming?
 Zen (zen.arado): yes there are a lot of teachers and gurus who need you to keep searching
 Zen (zen.arado): well any dreams to report?
 Tura Brezoianu: I have one short one
 Riddle Sideways: /listens
 Zen (zen.arado): Okay great

 Tura Brezoianu: I was in a cafe, talking with a couple of other people, I don't know who they were.
 Tura Brezoianu: I saw a woman sitting nearby who seemed to be writing.
 Tura Brezoianu: But it was all in strange symbols, maybe in several different alphabets, wandering all over the page
 Tura Brezoianu: I asked her about it, saying that I was wondering what all these writing systems were. She replied they weren't writing, but some sort of free expression exercise, writing down the free flow of things or something. It disappointed me a little to learn that they didn't really mean anything.

 Tura Brezoianu: done
 Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): very interesting
 Zen (zen.arado): what do you think extreme was trying to communicate Tura?
 Zen (zen.arado): the dream
 Tura Brezoianu: Maybe that some things that seem mysterious aren't so interesting after all :)
 Riddle Sideways: would think free flow would mean much to only the one drawing freely
 Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): or that spontaneous free expression does not have to be in an established language?
 Zen (zen.arado): ' the free flow of things'  interests me too
 Tura Brezoianu: Now I wish I'd asked her what she was expressing.
 Riddle Sideways: or what it was expressing to you
 Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): maybe that is an image of what dreams are ... free flowing and not meaning anything in terms of our conventional thought process
 Riddle Sideways: oh Alma, that would stop dream book sales
 Zen (zen.arado): what comes to me something about the way we try to capture reality in concepts and words
 Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): hahaha
 Zen (zen.arado): maybe she is showing you the strangeness of the way we use words and depend on them so much
 Zen (zen.arado): which I have read so many times but can't seem to get past it
 Riddle Sideways: even the free flowing of where the symbols go on the page and when
 Zen (zen.arado): I wonder if people with dyslexia are better in that regard
 Riddle Sideways: be could
 Alma di Masala (almadi.masala)Alma di Masala (almadi.masala) snickers
 Zen (zen.arado): well they wouldn't be so captivated with words
 Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): seems like we are all dyslexic in our dreams, unable to make sense of written text
 Zen (zen.arado): yes
 Zen (zen.arado): I had a dream a bit like that
 Tura BrezoianuTura Brezoianu listens
 Zen (zen.arado): it was only a bit at the end of a long  dream that I remembered
 Zen (zen.arado): a man was showing me  and a full sheet of paper with some new system – I don't know what this system will be able to do but it was something technological or system for making money
 Zen (zen.arado): but it seemed so complicated  that I couldn't grasp it and I felt it was beyond me to understand it
 Zen (zen.arado): I didn't even bother to record between  because it was so inconclusive
 Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): hi Agatha
 Riddle Sideways: Hey aggers
 Zen (zen.arado): hi Agatha, glad you made it
 Riddle Sideways: we didn't wait for ya
 Agatha Macbeth: Just remembered what day it is!
 Tura Brezoianu: hi Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: can someone send me a nc of the chat so far pls
Zen (Zen Arado): I'll do that
Agatha Macbeth: thanks Zenny
Second Life: Zen Arado gave you New Note.
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I wish we could take screen shots of our dreams
Riddle Sideways: Zen keeps on being shown how to solve the world, make money and not writing them down
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): then you could study that sheet of paper after you wake up
Zen (Zen Arado): yes ice sheet have got a  photo copy
Zen (Zen Arado): I should
Zen (Zen Arado): the formula to save the world
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): dragon seems to be into free expression too ;)
Zen (Zen Arado): like Einstein  got the theory of relativity :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): must be a dream Dragon :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): the thing is  Einstein could understand the dream :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): though it took him a few years
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): well, but it took him a long time
Zen (Zen Arado): the ice sheet  must be from the course I'm doing about climate change :-)
Riddle Sideways: for 50,000 years the dreams have been showing us the plans, details and answers to Life, the Universe and Everything
Riddle Sideways: but nobody writees/copies it down
Zen (Zen Arado): Yes I wonder how much we get from dreams
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe all of our inspiration actually comes from  there but we don't recognise it
Agatha Macbeth: OK...edited out the timestamps
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): could be
Riddle Sideways: giggles
Zen (Zen Arado): yeah sorry about those
Zen (Zen Arado): it's because I'm using SL viewer
Agatha Macbeth: I always remove mine in prefs
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't have them  with Firestone
Agatha Macbeth: Firestone!
Riddle Sideways: do have them in FS
Agatha Macbeth: You must be tyred
Zen (Zen Arado): Firestorm
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I had a couple of cat dreams. one of them was pretty funny.
Zen (Zen Arado): lazy Dragon
Agatha Macbeth: ^.^
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Riddle Sideways: oh good Cat video/dreams
Agatha Macbeth waits for the cat dreams
Zen (Zen Arado): listens

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'm at a friend's house, sitting in a chair. A TV nearby is making a lot of noise. Then my friend lies down on the couch and tells me he is going to show me how to relax. He reaches his hand into a corner of the couch between the cushions, and a cat jumps out. This amuses me. I ask him if he calls that "instant cat", or if it is like a vending machine where you put a coin in a slot and out pops a cat. The cat walks around the room and across my lap. It seems to be looking for a place to lie down and go to sleep. I pet it, but it doesn't seem ready to settle down yet. [end]

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Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): that's all
Zen (Zen Arado): it didn't start doing that thing  cats do before they sit down with their paws
Bruce (Bruce Mowbray) is online.
Zen (Zen Arado): ?
Zen (Zen Arado): What do they call that?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): no, it was just wandering around
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): kneading?
Riddle Sideways: have a lot of dreams of cats laying on knees, getting into face, scratching door, jumping  on bed
Zen (Zen Arado): Could be
Riddle Sideways: wait, not dreams
Zen (Zen Arado): I'm sure you must dream about cats as well Riddle
Riddle Sideways: they work into the dreams
Zen (Zen Arado): stroking a cat on your lap certainly would be relaxing
Zen (Zen Arado): same as with a dog
Riddle Sideways: must be how he was teaching relaxation
Zen (Zen Arado): recommended  for health improvement by doctors
Riddle Sideways: dogs are recommended
Zen (Zen Arado): it's almost as if your friend  had a cat prescription for you
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala) nods
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): but the cat wasn't quite ready to relax yet
Zen (Zen Arado): Stroke cat three times per day  after meals
Agatha Macbeth: :3
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe it felt tension in you
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): or maybe the TV was distracting it
Zen (Zen Arado): I miss having pets
Riddle Sideways: gives Zen 2 cats
Zen (Zen Arado): I'm not in a  good area  for having a cat
Agatha Macbeth: I can't have any cos I can't stand losing them
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala) nods
Riddle Sideways: yes, have lost so many
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I lost a cat I had for over 20 years. was very sad.
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Agatha Macbeth: That's an old cat
Zen (Zen Arado): too close to a main  road and there are dogs being walked all day long the marina  outside  my door
Zen (Zen Arado): my last cat  got run over.He was only 10 years old
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't like the idea of keeping cats locked up in the house all the time
Riddle Sideways: finally learned to shut the cats inside dusk to dawn
Riddle Sideways: had to
Zen (Zen Arado): they have absolutely no traffic sense
Agatha Macbeth: Can't drive that's why
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): people in my neighborhood are constantly searching for lost cats
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Tura Brezoianu: The local cats are an ornament to my neighbourhood, but I couldn't keep one myself
Riddle Sideways: the wild things it the night take cats
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes, we have foxes and coyotes
Zen (Zen Arado): anybody notice any recurring dreams?
Riddle Sideways: no, but a scary dream
Zen (Zen Arado): Listens
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
Zen (Zen Arado): gets behind sofa
Riddle Sideways: reluctent to share, but ...

Riddle Sideways: Creepy, at a party, not paying attention to a little girl  (good party convo) she keeps telling of some music group she had seen 4+ times, and collected something.  She would bring some over.
Later, mother and girl come back carrying wrapped packages like presents.   We are opening them and showing. Warn her not to tear the wrapping paper, so they can be rewrapped . Calls me silly, but I keep saving the paper.
All of a sudden I am being given a purplish knitted small dress.  Wait I have to pay $407 (??). People will be mad if I don't pay. My family will be mad if I do waste the money.
So agitated,  woke up

Agatha Macbeth: Pretty expensive dress
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): caught in a bind
Riddle Sideways: yes, so woke up
Riddle Sideways: creepy little girl
Zen (Zen Arado): it's like she's threatening you
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): trying to trap you
Riddle Sideways: mother smiling in a way of saying, "you have to pay"
Tura Brezoianu: They sound like scammers
Agatha Macbeth: An offer you can't refuse
Riddle Sideways: a trailer for a horror movie
Zen (Zen Arado): I was thinking how expensive it is to go to concerts nowadays
Zen (Zen Arado): it's like she was trying to recoup the money
Agatha Macbeth: Was it your size Rid?
Zen (Zen Arado): I think it's something about the value of money anyway
Riddle Sideways: heard that there is going to be Witney Houston as a hologram concert tour
Zen (Zen Arado): I was thinking today  I have lost the ability to put the  right evaluation on things money wise
Riddle Sideways: not my size
Riddle Sideways: nobody's size
Zen (Zen Arado): yes they are doing a lot of these lately
Zen (Zen Arado): Roy Orbison
Bruce (Bruce Mowbray) is offline.
Agatha Macbeth: He's a bit dead I think
Zen (Zen Arado): being made to pay for something absolutely valueless to you
Riddle Sideways: yes, dead people as holograms performing
Zen (Zen Arado): that's why they had to use holograms :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Like Lister
Zen (Zen Arado): apparently they are very lifelike
Riddle Sideways: and knowing that Family would yell "Not Again!"
Zen (Zen Arado): they won't let you die in peace now
Riddle Sideways: a feeling that have spent too much money in dreams
Zen (Zen Arado): I'd better post something
Zen (Zen Arado): The Intelligent Image

.Intelligence lives in the images of the dreaming psyche, available night after night. This “brainpower” is embedded in the image itself. It is not something we make up about the image, nor is this intelligence located in a pre-existing system of early family or symbolic explanation. When we rush in too quickly with our bright ideas of what the image means, we rob it of its native intelligence and replace it with our own, which may not be as illuminating. We want to hear its knowledge, not ours.

Riddle Sideways: good, it was Agatha's turn
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Zen (Zen Arado): This intelligent quality of images is one of the best-kept secrets of dreamwork, yet we all have had some experience of this. We often wake up knowing that “something important” happened in our dreams. On occasion we even have a hint of the images talking to us with an intelligence that seems to come from somewhere else...
Zen (Zen Arado): Personally and culturally, I believe that the intelligent image is one of our most under-utilized resources. When images come to life, they offer us perspective, innovation, and insight. Tree knows the intelligence of the tree; Bear knows the ways of the bear; just as the dream image of Rock knows the “mind” and qualities of rocks. Even the Intruder, who is a most threatening dream image at first, brings intelligence beyond our own. The key is to take the time to listen to the images speaking on their own behalf..

Aizenstat, Stephen. Dream Tending: Awakening to the Healing Power of Dreams (p. 52). Spring Journal, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
Zen (Zen Arado): done
Zen (Zen Arado): notice that bit  –We often wake up knowing that “something important” happened in our dreams. On occasion we even have a hint of the images talking to us with an intelligence that seems to come from somewhere else...
Zen (Zen Arado): it's what we were talking about
Riddle Sideways: yes, a lot of times, images
Zen (Zen Arado): I find  my left brain dismissing these  dreams so quickly
Zen (Zen Arado): I have to fight  to hold onto them
Agatha Macbeth: Brain wars
Zen (Zen Arado): if we could find a way  to quieten this critical left brain and open to what do dreams are telling us
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): that's the challenge
Riddle Sideways: back to needing photocopies of the dreams
Zen (Zen Arado): recurring dream about  trump
Riddle Sideways: oh dear
Agatha Macbeth: Not a dream...a nightmare
Zen (Zen Arado): I keep getting these  but I wonder if it's just daytime residue from seeing him on TV
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): Trump is a recurring RL nightmare
Zen (Zen Arado): it was a pretty short dream

Zen (Zen Arado): I am sitting in a room around a big desk with Donald Trump presiding over a meeting. The people in the room are some kind of important men. Don't seem to be any women present. The men are unhappy with Trump and say they are going to leave their jobs under his presidency as they leave the room one by one, but some seem to find it difficult to leave

Agatha Macbeth: Be grateful!
Zen (Zen Arado): done
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): sounds pretty realistic to me
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi) is online.
Zen (Zen Arado): started with about 20  and finished with about four people sitting around a table
Riddle Sideways: yes, sounds like you are just replaying RL
Agatha Macbeth: And losing
Riddle Sideways: ㋡
Zen (Zen Arado): yes I think I am but why does he keep coming up?
Tura Brezoianu: or you have a telepathic spycam in the White House
Agatha Macbeth: Shame Nixon isn't still around to bug him
Tura Brezoianu: do you dream of other politicians?
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't think so
Riddle Sideways: Terresa May?
Zen (Zen Arado): I have never dreamt about Theresa May :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Ian Paisley?
Zen (Zen Arado): no
Zen (Zen Arado): thank God :-)
Agatha Macbeth: HA
Zen (Zen Arado): never never never :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): famous bit of video and that's what he is saying
Zen (Zen Arado): he was good at being negative
Agatha Macbeth: Not the most tolerant of people
Zen (Zen Arado): I think the big parties are losing control in the UK at the moment
Agatha Macbeth: Oh good
Agatha Macbeth: Can I have that in writing
Zen (Zen Arado): and the centrist party,  alliance,  is gaining ground in Northern Ireland
Agatha Macbeth: Yayyy
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): wish we had a centrist party in the US
Zen (Zen Arado): Northern Ireland is very polarised though Alma
Zen (Zen Arado): Catholics vote Sinn Fein, Protestants vote DUP
Zen (Zen Arado): but I suppose that's like your Republicans and Democrats
Agatha Macbeth: I don't really get the difference between the US parties
Zen (Zen Arado): I bought a book today about the future
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Zen (Zen Arado): why it has become so dystopian and apocalyptic
Agatha Macbeth: By Nostradamus?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): there was a time when "conservative Democrat" or "liberal Republican" were not oxymorons
Zen (Zen Arado): when you think back to the 70s everything about the future seemed so rosy
Zen (Zen Arado): why has it now become so doomladen?
Agatha Macbeth: I think Thatcher and Reagan had a lot to with it
Agatha Macbeth: The cult of self
Zen (Zen Arado): careworkers here have to go
Agatha Macbeth: They do?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Gotcha
Tura Brezoianu: thanks Zen, bye
Zen (Zen Arado): byee
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): thank you and tc Zen
Riddle Sideways: bye and nite Zen
Agatha Macbeth: TC Zenny
Zen (Zen Arado) is offline.
Agatha Macbeth: Spurs for the cup

Bong!

Agatha Macbeth: Well then...
Agatha Macbeth: Any moar dreams?
Riddle Sideways: please forgive, it is nice to hear other's political problems
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): not for now
Riddle Sideways: and a good gong
Agatha Macbeth: Politics *are* a problem
Agatha Macbeth: If the Greeks had got the whole republic thing together we wouldn't be in this mess
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): it's the Greeks' fault
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Agatha Macbeth: No wonder they keep smashing plates
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): blame Socrates
Agatha Macbeth: Probably frustration
Riddle Sideways: looks over at the Greek Salad, they got that right
Agatha Macbeth: Woot
Agatha Macbeth: And kebabs
Agatha Macbeth: Or are they Turkish?
Agatha Macbeth: Can't remember
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): and baklava
Agatha Macbeth: I used to wear one as a kid
Agatha Macbeth: Kept my ears warm
Riddle Sideways: giggles
Riddle Sideways: be cold
Agatha Macbeth: Ee the winters in my day lad
Agatha Macbeth: Kids today know nothing
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): they didn't when I was a kid either
Riddle Sideways: nothing nothing
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): according to my father
Agatha Macbeth: Whatever happened to music?
Riddle Sideways: remember it well
Tura Brezoianu: I don't listen to much music unless it's at least 400 years old
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): ah, the good old days
Riddle Sideways: earlier was singing "I'll meet you in my dreams"
Agatha Macbeth: Can't beat a bit of John Dowland
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): it's all gone downhill since the Renaissance
Tura Brezoianu: back when you had to make your own catgut
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): though Bach was pretty good
Tura Brezoianu: Bach, the pinnacle from which all else falls away
Riddle Sideways: showy offy Boy band stuff that Bach
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I better get going
Agatha Macbeth: Ar
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): RL never pauses
Tura Brezoianu: goodnight Alma
Agatha Macbeth: I'd better be sure the log's recorded
Agatha Macbeth: TC Al
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): nice sharing dreams with you all
Riddle Sideways: by All
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): see you next time
Agatha Macbeth: Seems OK
Agatha Macbeth: Bye the noo