The Guardian for this meeting was Mick. The comments are by Agatha.

Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Micko :)
Mickorod Renard: hiya
Mickorod Renard: yay, hi Ags
Agatha Macbeth: You just noticed me? :p
Mickorod Renard: no, just takes me ages to rez
Agatha Macbeth: Sit down then...you make the place look untidy
Agatha Macbeth grins
Mickorod Renard: its not letting me yet
Agatha Macbeth: Hang on, need RL lights on
Mickorod Renard: there we go
Mickorod Renard: its not dark yet?
Agatha Macbeth: You always need to be careful not toclick on the transparent wall by mistake
Agatha Macbeth: Not hereno
Mickorod Renard: yah, know what u mean
Agatha Macbeth: But I need to see well enough to type :p
Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara
Agatha Macbeth: Ara :))
Agatha Macbeth: Ara :))
Mickorod Renard: nice t c ya
arabella Ella: Hiya!
Agatha Macbeth: Here comes Liz
Agatha Macbeth: Lizzie ♥
Mickorod Renard: hiya Lizzie
Agatha Macbeth: Looking *so* e;egant
arabella Ella: Hi Eliza!
Mickorod Renard: wow, am I safe here amongst such a luvly group of gals?
Agatha Macbeth: with an L
Agatha Macbeth: Oh Mick you're never safe!
Mickorod Renard: oh L
Agatha Macbeth: What the L
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi !
Agatha Macbeth: Hi hi!
Mickorod Renard: now then, before anyone else comes...if they do....i am hoping you all save me as I have nowt to offer
Eliza Madrigal zooms to behold the new face of Agatha Macbeth
Mickorod Renard: and..... de de dah
Agatha Macbeth: I'm sure Bruce will :)
--BELL--1.00
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yeh...call me Ms Bento
Eliza Madrigal: very pretty, Agatha :)
arabella Ella: Looking great Aggers and Eliza!
Agatha Macbeth: TY ♥
Mickorod Renard: I would love to hear Liz's bit from last Thursday again
Eliza Madrigal: thanks :) I wish I could get away with cutting my hair like this in RL
Agatha Macbeth: I love the way my lips move when I type!
Eliza Madrigal: me too, hah, was noticing
Eliza Madrigal: Hm, Mick, I was going to ask you if you'd thought more of your dream (I read Monday's log)
Mickorod Renard: hey, need to check that out
Agatha Macbeth: Your hair is lovely Liz, in both worlds
Eliza Madrigal: >muah<
Agatha Macbeth swoons
Eliza Madrigal: that was quite a beautiful sense of things that you shared Mick, as though you got into the 'feeling' of transcendence
Mickorod Renard: swivels camera around to look
arabella Ella: were we meant to finish reading the book today?
Mickorod Renard: no Ara
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Were we?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: It seems more are showing up Mondays now? Has that switched to be the main day?
Mickorod Renard: there is no end to the journey
arabella Ella: I thought we were so I read the last pages
Eliza Madrigal: Bruce has a doc appointment I think, btw
Mickorod Renard: oh great
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, me too
arabella Ella: now I know the ending
Eliza Madrigal: that's wonderful Ara
Mickorod Renard: yikes
Eliza Madrigal listens for thoughts
Agatha Macbeth: Is the journey the last part?
Mickorod Renard: should you be at the doictors Liz??
arabella Ella: some arrive somewhere ... shhhh
arabella Ella: no spoilers
Mickorod Renard: I got as far as the journey I think
Mickorod Renard: I have been soooooooo busy I cant believe it
Eliza Madrigal: everyone already has a peek at the ending, so it is okay to talk in a 'whole' way about the book?
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, happens
Mickorod Renard: especially as I do nothing
arabella Ella: the text is amazing so fascinating great choice
Eliza Madrigal: :) Mick
Agatha Macbeth likes wholeness
Mickorod Renard: ty Ara
arabella Ella: smiles
Mickorod Renard: I love the book,,and will read it again
Eliza Madrigal: I've been busy too... too much, so I almost skipped today to take a nap, but had a shot of coffee instead and am chatterboxing... must breathe and slow down :)
arabella Ella: me too
Mickorod Renard: I found parts i liked more
arabella Ella: i love the parables
Agatha Macbeth: Just be yourself :)
Mickorod Renard: yes Liz, chill with us
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Mickorod Renard: the book is just a tool
Agatha Macbeth: Not that chill
arabella Ella: he he cold?
Agatha Macbeth: We are Lizless
Eliza Madrigal: just always become a bit concerned about the shoes
Mickorod Renard: he he
Eliza Madrigal: (habit) haha
Mickorod Renard: yeh, could ruin them
Agatha Macbeth: Oh there you are
Eliza Madrigal: I think I should have read the version I used to finish, the whole time
Agatha Macbeth: Thought you crashed
Eliza Madrigal: had a much more inspiring rhythm
Mickorod Renard: I would like to savour a few parts one day, and seperate them for future meditation
Eliza Madrigal: nice idea
Agatha Macbeth: me loves savoury meditation
Mickorod Renard: :)
arabella Ella: there are bits and pieces which I would like to look into, delve deeper into them, like some stories they refer to
Eliza Madrigal: Which were your favorite, Ara?
Agatha Macbeth: Which ones Ara?
arabella Ella: in the last part it refers to a persian book 'On Love' I would like to look that up, also two love stories mentioned, Laija and Majnun and another, I don't recall the names
Agatha Macbeth: Ohhh nice
Mickorod Renard: I have lost my book somewhere
arabella Ella: Besides some strange words are similar to my language
arabella Ella: majnun means mad
Agatha Macbeth: Down a rabbit hole?
Mickorod Renard: ah?
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
arabella Ella: download the soft copy Mick or listen to Bruce's audio tapes
Agatha Macbeth: Yes those are good
Mickorod Renard: yes, that would be a real treat one day..I do have book but mislaid it
Agatha Macbeth: You can listen while multitasking :p
arabella Ella: an e-book has a useful search function
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Mickorod Renard: some passages I could feel my heart being tugged out a bit
Agatha Macbeth: Oh?
arabella Ella: the cruel bits?
Mickorod Renard: hopefully not serious
Mickorod Renard: I meant, the bits like devotional
Mickorod Renard: it had the same feeling as trust..something I had once
Mickorod Renard: he he
Mickorod Renard: I felt relieved by the dream I had
Agatha Macbeth: What did you dream?
Mickorod Renard: not sure whether I kept it
--BELL--1.15
Agatha Macbeth: :(
Mickorod Renard: erk, no sign of it
Eliza Madrigal: You can copy from the log, or just share what you remember most?
Agatha Macbeth: You old dream chucker
Eliza Madrigal: I had a Conference related dream too, but I didn't see it as that until Tura showed me
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Mickorod Renard: wow, can you tell us?
Eliza Madrigal: To give you time to find yours? :) I can give the link to the other session if that helps?
Mickorod Renard: grin, sound a deal
Eliza Madrigal: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2018/06/2018.06.11_13%3a00_-_Crash_Helmets_and_Broomcon
Eliza Madrigal: Okay, ready?
Eliza Madrigal: Eliza Madrigal: one part of it... Eliza Madrigal: I was standing outside when 1 bird - a duck like but taller, bird - walks up to me Eliza Madrigal: I look down and it has lots of babies (ducklings, I could say, but really it didn't look like a known bird) Eliza Madrigal: then it walks away and another one comes behind it Eliza Madrigal: but this one is even more interesting... long legs and thin, but sort of like a partridge and a swan together Eliza Madrigal: and this one has lots and lots of small birds... they are almond shaped, and very pretty, white and gold, and not too plumy Eliza Madrigal: behind it comes this little animal Eliza Madrigal: and the person with me says oh no that's a skunk Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): :) Eliza Madrigal: but I think, no it isn't, it is really cute... Zen (Zen Arado): :-) Eliza Madrigal: but I look close and there is a swirl on its back, but not a white swirl... almost the same color as the fur... Eliza Madrigal: so we decide to walk into a house or a shed (only saw
Eliza Madrigal: the threshold) Eliza Madrigal: and we let all the birds (there were more than two sets but the two are the only ones I remember vividly) in with us Eliza Madrigal: then close out the skunk gently Eliza Madrigal: (done)
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Eliza Madrigal: So kind of a silly dream (who is the skunk?), but the beauty of the birds has to be because of the beauty of the last part of the reading
Eliza Madrigal: they were gorgeous, like the illustrations
Agatha Macbeth: Closing out the skunk may have been a good idea
Mickorod Renard: cool
Eliza Madrigal: if it was truly a skunk, nods... but hard to say :)
Agatha Macbeth: A pseudoskunk maybe?
Eliza Madrigal laughs
arabella Ella: too cute to be a skunk
Eliza Madrigal: someone playing as a skunk?
Mickorod Renard: a nice way of thinking about it..no fight or whatever,,mearly a choice to close out the skunk
Eliza Madrigal: :) yes I felt affectionate toward it
Agatha Macbeth: Isn't there a drug called that?
Eliza Madrigal: pseudoskunk?
Mickorod Renard: yes Ags
Agatha Macbeth: Thought so
Mickorod Renard: skunkweed
Agatha Macbeth: I remember someone saying they smoked it once
Agatha Macbeth: (Just shows the kind of circles I move in eh)
Eliza Madrigal: :-)
arabella Ella: food for thought :)
Mickorod Renard: one of the problems with this is that many of the things that hinder us are the things we dont object to
Agatha Macbeth: Ivory madonna
Eliza Madrigal: how so Mick?
Mickorod Renard: things that we feel we cant do without, yet they weigh us down
Agatha Macbeth nods
arabella Ella: life is a tightrope act
arabella Ella: on a roller coaster
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Mickorod Renard: suffocating the unhindered
Mickorod Renard: i cannot do without some things I love,,and I resign myself to that,,but I see it now and make the choice knowingly
Mickorod Renard: this also is liberating
Agatha Macbeth: It is
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes it seems to me mostly about momentum and timing. Just removing things seems to just let something else take its place, if not careful
Mickorod Renard: very true eliza
Eliza Madrigal: so when timing is right, something opens and then there is the ability to say yes to that
Mickorod Renard: yes, I guess you mean if you have the space for it?
Eliza Madrigal: I've often been given things out of time, without a way to really keep them
Eliza Madrigal: yes, that too
Mickorod Renard: oh me too, so frustrating
Eliza Madrigal: so many factors
Eliza Madrigal: Have your dream, Mick?
Mickorod Renard: I have it
Agatha Macbeth: Woot
Mickorod Renard: you want it?
Mickorod Renard: he he
Agatha Macbeth: Yeppers
Agatha Macbeth: And the dream
Mickorod Renard: lets see if its not too big
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Mickorod Renard: :)
Mickorod Renard: Mickorod Renard: I have lost the plot, well, not exactly. I have been feeling quite different the last two sessions and the day after last Thursday I woke with profound type dreams. My thoughts had been 'disturbed' but I think I have morphed or something. Agatha Macbeth: Seems to be a lot of it about Mickorod Renard: The dream had me witnessing an example of begining and end of universes. sort of bursting from nothing and swallowed by blackhole type things. The important aspect was the beauty of the whole and the flowering of creation to its eventual disapearance into something else beyond our knowledge. Mickorod Renard: The living experience of starting out from the same source of everything and as such belonging to all other things in the universe. Sharing the experience of this through a dream ,as an observer too made me realize how important it is to appreciate everything, including the bad things, and love the whole rather than be picky over small issues. Mickorod Renard: btw, I notice i didnt fix
Mickorod Renard: spelling mistakes Mickorod Renard: done
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Eliza Madrigal: beautiful beautiful
Mickorod Renard: It felt quite profound at the time
Eliza Madrigal: it reads so!
--BELL--1.30
Agatha Macbeth: Still does
arabella Ella: it is beautiful and has similarties to the end of the book too
Mickorod Renard: well, the dream had so much more feeling and ..i dunno,,message
Mickorod Renard: it was odd as when I picked the book up to read this sessions part it seemed to relate so much
arabella Ella: putting something profound into words does at times tend to lesen the profoundness
Mickorod Renard: for sure
arabella Ella: and some emotional detail too
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, I find the opposite true
arabella Ella: really?
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Agatha Macbeth: Kinda points it up for me
Mickorod Renard: oddly, I sort of explained something to my grand daughter too,,in that by explaining to her the origin of everything I said to her that we are all related including plants and animals
arabella Ella: i sometimes find emotions and intensity are difficult to verbalise
Eliza Madrigal: it seems to make a difference if something can be shared without collapsing the space
Agatha Macbeth: Oh agree with that Ara
Agatha Macbeth: 'It's only words'
arabella Ella: did you relate your dream to the book Mick?

New arrivals

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm :)
Agatha Macbeth: Here comes big bear :)
Mickorod Renard: it did take me out of a slight negativness I had
Mickorod Renard: Hi Storm
Agatha Macbeth: Stormy :)
arabella Ella: Hi Storm!
Storm Nordwind: Hi! Sorry to be late
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Agatha Macbeth: And Bleuji :)
Eliza Madrigal: a skunky mood? lol
arabella Ella: Hi Bleu!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Agatha Macbeth: Did you come from the same place? ;-)
Bleu Oleander: sorry to be late ... hi all :)
Mickorod Renard: no probs Storm, just so nice to see you
Storm Nordwind: You too :))
Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu, and you too
Mickorod Renard: after the dream was revealled on Monday Storm also brought up a subject
arabella Ella: yes?
Agatha Macbeth nods
Mickorod Renard: I am hoping Storm could relate it to us?
Agatha Macbeth listens
Mickorod Renard: he he
Storm Nordwind looks askance and needs reminding
Mickorod Renard: it seemed so relevant
Agatha Macbeth: So relevant he forgot it!
Storm Nordwind: And you are? ...
Agatha Macbeth: :P
Mickorod Renard: "Whatever has to happen, let it happen!" "Whatever the situation is, it's fine!" "I really don't need anything!"
Agatha Macbeth: Ohh I remember that
Mickorod Renard: grin
Storm Nordwind: Oh the three fierce mantras. I thought we'd talked that one out.
Eliza Madrigal: Is that akin to "Let it settle itself" ?
arabella Ella: oh go on Storm?
Mickorod Renard: technically we are in the same session
Eliza Madrigal: :) loophole Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Exhibit A
Storm Nordwind: Right. And I raised it in response to (I think) something you said. As a way of being. But beyond that I can't recall where it was going
Mickorod Renard: ah yes, I had become quite liberated
Storm Nordwind: They're certainly something I've found very useful over the years
Agatha Macbeth: Free Mick
Storm Nordwind: hehe!
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Storm Nordwind: make the T-shirts
Agatha Macbeth: Where does the fierce bit come in?
Mickorod Renard: because prior to the dream the book had weighed me down with thoughts,,
Storm Nordwind: They're fierce because they're said in defiance of how people normal think and operate in the world.
Agatha Macbeth: Oh wonderful
Agatha Macbeth: Then I relate to them
arabella Ella: do they help you not to dwell on what could have been? the elusive past which cannot be changed once it is gone?
Mickorod Renard: but then the dream showed to me how central yet insignificant I am to the mechanism of everything in the whole
Storm Nordwind: The author wasn't a Taoist, but I find them more Taoist than Buddhist.
Eliza Madrigal: reminds me of "Be decisive, know what is, see clearly", which we had sessions about, and also "No thought, no reflection, no analysis, no cultivation, no intention; let it settle itself." (Tilopa), Although the Tilopa quote sounds gentle.
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed Stormy
Mickorod Renard: yes Eliza, the heart sutra
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, it isn't, but that fits :)
Mickorod Renard: very much related to that
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Storm Nordwind: Reminds me also of something I jotted down in bed a couple of nights ago before going to sleep.
Eliza Madrigal listens
Agatha Macbeth also listens
Storm Nordwind: I'll see if I can find it... I typed it up.
Mickorod Renard: great!
Storm Nordwind: Passion Can you have passion and not have desire? Can you not just passionately be? Like the three fierce mantras. Like Kazantzakis's epitaph. To glory in revolt against the Absurd, like Sisyphus. No desire. No attachment. No suffering. Just passion. Just free! Storm 2018-06-13 Notes: The three fierce mantras of Tsangpa Gyare Yeshe Dorje (1161-1211) “Whatever has to happen, let it happen!” “Whatever the situation is, it’s fine!” “I really don’t need anything!” Nikos Kazantzakis' epitaph: “Δεν ελπίζω τίποτα, δε φοβούμαι τίποτα, είμαι λεύτερος.” “I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free.” ~ The Saviors of God (1923)
Agatha Macbeth: Super
arabella Ella: Lovely!
Storm Nordwind blushes
--BELL--1.45
Agatha Macbeth smiles @ Stormy
Eliza Madrigal: fantastic
Mickorod Renard: wow thanks Storm
Mickorod Renard: unfortunately I couldnt practice that calmness at school today, some classes were awfull and I had to be quite fierce
Agatha Macbeth: Like a mantra
arabella Ella: he he
Storm Nordwind: (((Mick)))
Agatha Macbeth ponders Mick with a whip
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Then stops
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Storm Nordwind: Aggers you're letting your default side get a hold of you!
Agatha Macbeth: Eeeeeek!
Bleu Oleander: but isn't the essense of life love and friendship ... to live richly and be committed? (trying to understand the non attachment concept)
Agatha Macbeth: I always tend to feel that too
Mickorod Renard: I am sure thats right Bleu,
Eliza Madrigal: not mutually exclusive... sometimes the liberation is to be more fully available to live richly and be committed
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe that's why attatchments are so hard to lose
Bleu Oleander: well isn't that attachment then?
Eliza Madrigal: like freeing up capacity on the computer
Storm Nordwind: It's a thing they say in Buddhism, that desire and attachment cause suffering, and to end all suffering you have to... well, you have to do what the Buddha suggested etc.!
arabella Ella: doesn't it depend on attachments to what? material and immaterial things?
Bleu Oleander: so becoming unattached to free space to become re-attached?
Eliza Madrigal: can't make a formula, each different in different moments (to my own sensibility anyway)
Agatha Macbeth: This gets complicated
Mickorod Renard: sometimes we put a value to something that makes us hoard or guard it rather than share it or let it have freedom
Eliza Madrigal: people can use nonattachment to be crappy I guess...
Bleu Oleander: attachments come in many flavors
Eliza Madrigal: like a boyfriend of a friend who said he didn't tell her he wasn't in love with her for four years, because he's buddhist and didn't want to hurt her :P
Storm Nordwind: Oh my!
Bleu Oleander: yikes
Agatha Macbeth: Doesn't yoga literally mean 'attatchment' or have I got that wrong?
Storm Nordwind: It means "yoke"
Eliza Madrigal: yoking together
Mickorod Renard: this is where truth has to have a point of priority
Agatha Macbeth: Isn't that the same tho?
Agatha Macbeth: Yoke = attatch

(Just me)

Mickorod Renard: truth hurts, but not as much as deception
Eliza Madrigal: but so... be attached to anything and everything?
Eliza Madrigal: don't question attachments you've made?
Bleu Oleander: reminds me of a book 'the beautiful life' by Simon Parke
Mickorod Renard: I feel I have come to appreciate equanamity more
Storm Nordwind: yay Mick!
Mickorod Renard: ah, whats that like Bleu?
Eliza Madrigal listens
Bleu Oleander: http://simonparke.com/books/page/the_beautiful_life/
Bleu Oleander: a set of commandments
Bleu Oleander: be present, observe yourself
Bleu Oleander: flee attachment
Bleu Oleander: transcend suffering
Eliza Madrigal: interesting
Bleu Oleander: can't remember it all, but interesting
Mickorod Renard: I like the brief look of his 10 commandments
Eliza Madrigal: yeah I think nonattachment is really about letting something bloom, rather than closing down on it... presence
Eliza Madrigal: at heart, so you can really appreciate
Mickorod Renard: well said Eliza, I agree
Bleu Oleander: he was a church of england vicar I think
Mickorod Renard: oh well, thats him done for
Mickorod Renard: he he
Storm Nordwind: Someone has to be ;)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Right
--BELL--2.00
Mickorod Renard: to live by some of these ways means we have to give something away,,thats hard for me
Bleu Oleander: I generally don't like using a negative phrase to mean a positive one like 'bloom' ... its not an intuitive interpretation to me, but maybe that's just me
Mickorod Renard: its easy for me to say..here have some of my love..its free
Agatha Macbeth: No VAT then?
Mickorod Renard: if there was vat on it someone would have monopolized it
Agatha Macbeth: Hm right
Mickorod Renard: just think if someone found a way to make profit from giving love
Mickorod Renard: or..save the planet with it
Eliza Madrigal nods, which is lovely too, Bleu Nice to have an ear for different kinds of music
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't Jesus say you could
Mickorod Renard: oh,,u can
Eliza Madrigal: I'm sorry I have to go... doggie squeaking
Eliza Madrigal: as an aside, I'm going to add these sessions to the theme page soon: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Theme_Sessions ]
Agatha Macbeth: Woof
arabella Ella: I've got to go too good night all!
Agatha Macbeth: TC Arababe
Mickorod Renard: bye Eliza,,thanks so much
Mickorod Renard: ohhh bye Ara
Eliza Madrigal: bye Ara, and thank you Mick, everybody! <3
Bleu Oleander: woof
Eliza Madrigal: (he may be the skunk, lol]
Agatha Macbeth: Bysie bye ladies
Bleu Oleander: thanks all ... bye bye
Agatha Macbeth: And Stormy
Eliza Madrigal: hugs
Mickorod Renard: :(
Mickorod Renard: is everyone off?
Storm Nordwind: Apparently
Agatha Macbeth: Looks that way :p
Storm Nordwind: But I was a latecomer so I kind of expected it
Mickorod Renard: ah, its the way of things
Agatha Macbeth: You ol' pessimist
Mickorod Renard: well, thanks to all
Storm Nordwind: The way of the Tao
Mickorod Renard: he he

Back to the book (remember that?)

Mickorod Renard: I must check, is there more book left?
Agatha Macbeth: So it goes
Mickorod Renard: c ya soon
Storm Nordwind: I don't know. I was hoping that had been addressed in the log
Agatha Macbeth: The book seemed to get lost tonight
Mickorod Renard: dont forget a dream session sunday I believe
Agatha Macbeth: This Sunday?
Mickorod Renard: I think so
Agatha Macbeth: Oh thanks for reminding
Mickorod Renard: I will check the book time table and send email out
Storm Nordwind: 24th
Storm Nordwind: Sunday
Mickorod Renard: ah ok ty
Agatha Macbeth: So not this Sunday
Storm Nordwind: Right
Agatha Macbeth: Riiight
Storm Nordwind: But will look forward to book instructions!
Mickorod Renard: kk, I am sure there must be some book left unless its the index
Agatha Macbeth: You are the master of clarity Storm :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Storm Nordwind: I am?!!
Agatha Macbeth: You are
Agatha Macbeth: For me anyways
Storm Nordwind: I think that's the first time anyone has ever said that!
Mickorod Renard: ok, I must go and say hi to morg before she goes to bed
Storm Nordwind: Glad to be of service :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay a first!!
Storm Nordwind: Bye then Mick. Thank you for everything
Agatha Macbeth: Yes say hi from moi aussi
Mickorod Renard: will do
Storm Nordwind: Including bringng a big piece of YOU into this!
Mickorod Renard: byeeeeeeeee..n ty
Storm Nordwind waves
Agatha Macbeth: TC