The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

Riddle kindly met me for an impromtu session on Thursday morning. I was a bit late in arriving.

Adams Rubble: Hello Riddle :)
Adams Rubble: you came :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi, yes got here
Adams Rubble: I was reading a PaB Chronicles article and missed the hour
Adams Rubble: I was very sorry to miss your Tuesday session
Riddle Sideways: coffee maker, slow computer, updates, cats, etc. tried to slow this morning down
Riddle Sideways: that is ok
Adams Rubble: slow computers and updates are the bain of every avatar's existence

We start with a little bit of cross taking

Riddle Sideways: had a visitor
Adams Rubble: yes, i saw
Adams Rubble: I am glad someone came
Adams Rubble: the Tuesday RL stuff kind of got in the way of my momentum
Riddle Sideways: yes, it has been a long time since a visitor just walked through
Adams Rubble is feeling better about the all day retreat
Riddle Sideways: yes, RL happens :)
Adams Rubble: a little wu-wei
Riddle Sideways: :)
Adams Rubble: thinking that the exercises could be something my rl avatar should be doing :)
Adams Rubble: I am in much better shape
Riddle Sideways: listens

With Riddle listening I checked by blog to began a ramble on the past few days

Adams Rubble just took a quick look at my blog to see where i was
Adams Rubble: I reread the three sessions Pema and Stim did called prehistory
Adams Rubble: they were really more about Being
Adams Rubble: Stim prefers the word "Is"
Adams Rubble: I have been trying to think what "Playing as Is" might mean
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: When these sessions were heard I knew nothing about the Heart Sutra and Em[ptiness
Adams Rubble: so when Stim said Being and Is are empty that went over my head
Riddle Sideways: yes
Adams Rubble: I have been reading some about the Heart Sutra the last few days
Adams Rubble: What i do not know is what "form" means in the Heart Sutra
Adams Rubble: sorry bell
Riddle Sideways: :p bell
Adams Rubble: what do you think abut that?

How did I not notice Heart Sutra sessions in paB?

Riddle Sideways: am not the one to answer. there were a group recently diving deep into the Heart Sutra
Riddle Sideways: perhaps those sessions can give more foder
Adams Rubble: in PaB?
Riddle Sideways: yes
Adams Rubble: gee, I don't remember
Riddle Sideways: before Maxine's book study started
Adams Rubble: will have to look
Riddle Sideways: so maybe last fall/winter
Adams Rubble: they did the TSK book
Adams Rubble: OK, I will look
Riddle Sideways: after the TSK book
Adams Rubble: wow
Adams Rubble: In the sessions too interesting statements
Riddle Sideways: the Heart Sutra was on a billboard here
Adams Rubble: Pema said he cried the first time he heard the Heart Sutra
Adams Rubble: the second interesting statement was after Stim and Pema said they were lazy
Adams Rubble: Stim siad that people could sit on Pema for two weeks and he would still not know what lazy menat
Adams Rubble: meant
Adams Rubble wonders were in the world she was at during the heart sutra sessions
Riddle Sideways: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2016/10/2016.10.20_13%3a00_-_Heart_Sutra%3a_Why_Study_This%3f_How%3f_Let's_start_anyway_%3a)?highlight=Heart+Sutra
Riddle Sideways: several weekly sessions around that oct/nov 2016
Adams Rubble: Thank you
Adams Rubble hits herself on the head with a show
Adams Rubble: shoe
Riddle Sideways: many said they did not really understand, but were willing to explore together
Riddle Sideways: hits her angel's head on the head of a pin
Adams Rubble: thank you for the link
Riddle Sideways: so many great things happen at the 1300 sessions. just when RL is most insistant
Adams Rubble nods
Adams Rubble: it was never a good time for me
Riddle Sideways: the 0700's were much easier to get to
Riddle Sideways: for a while
Adams Rubble: the 0700s are my favorite
Riddle Sideways: yes

I raise a question about APAPB if Being is empty

Adams Rubble: if "Being" is empty, does that turn around APAPB?
Riddle Sideways: if those Heart Sutra sessions don't satisfy... maybe chats with those attendees will
Adams Rubble: let me try to remember my thinking
Riddle Sideways: listens
Adams Rubble: appreciate the presence of appearance as the presentation of being
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: is "Being" dependent on the presence of appearance rather than appearance being a sign of Being
Adams Rubble: of course emptiness might just mean that Being is always changing
Riddle Sideways: the Presentation of Being
Riddle Sideways: might just be the last part
Riddle Sideways: the Presentation of Is
Riddle Sideways: Being, Is, All, One, empty, other
Riddle Sideways: presenting
Riddle Sideways: the Presentation
Riddle Sideways: hmmm, tangled up in 'words'
Adams Rubble: words are tough, a hinderance
Riddle Sideways: have a 'something' that we'll label Being or Is or 'whatever' for now
Riddle Sideways: and there is a Presentation
Adams Rubble: I always thought of it as the last part but when thinking about its emptiness, I turned it around to see what I had
Adams Rubble: that being does not exist without the presence of appearance
Riddle Sideways: reading forward was always hardest
Adams Rubble: but hmm, yes, you are right, there is the presentation
Adams Rubble: so is it the presentation that is dependent on the presence of appearance
Adams Rubble: that makes sense to me
Riddle Sideways: good! now please explain
Adams Rubble: uh oh
Riddle Sideways: :) yes

I start going through APAPB backwards and try a little razzle-dazzle, sometimes called algebra

Adams Rubble: we have 1) Being
Adams Rubble: we have 2) presentation of Being
Adams Rubble: we have 3) appearance
Adams Rubble: we have 4) presence of appearance
Adams Rubble: then 5) the appreciating part--possibly the most important thing we can do in order to keep a positive energy or attitude
Riddle Sideways: yes! reading from the end back was always easier
Adams Rubble: so, 2 does not exist without 4
Adams Rubble: 4 is dependent on 2
Adams Rubble: 5 + 4 + 2 = insight about 1
Adams Rubble: hehe
Riddle Sideways: 2 CAN exist without 3, 4 or 5

Riddle introduces Great Time and Great Space into the discussion

Adams Rubble: that is what I always thought but now i am not so sure
Riddle Sideways: what if 1 reads as "Great Space" or ...
Adams Rubble: worth exploring the possibility that it isn't
Adams Rubble listens
Adams Rubble: TSK seems to suggest that Being is a combination of Space Time and Knowledge, especially the first too
Riddle Sideways: Great Time (1) existing and happens to have a (2) presentation
Riddle Sideways: Presentation (2) might occasionally have a Appearence (3) (to some)
Riddle Sideways: or probably has appearence, but occasionally has a Presence (4)
Riddle Sideways: to some/you/whatever
Riddle Sideways: Great Wisdom could present Empty
Adams Rubble: are you saying then that Being is there and occasionally an appearance sheds some light on it and then it is best we appreciate it?
Riddle Sideways: or somewhere down/up the chain it is appreciated as Empty
Adams Rubble: ohhhh
Adams Rubble: emptiness is form and form is emptiness
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: ok
Riddle Sideways: when trying to envision the 4th (and higher) dimensions and the objects ... so often they go empty, blank, unseen
Adams Rubble wonders if "form" is "Being"
Adams Rubble: ohh, you are thinking as empty that way
Adams Rubble: wods are a pain
Adams Rubble: words
Riddle Sideways: think "form" is more Appearence or
Adams Rubble: interesting!
Riddle Sideways: Wods are a pain too
Adams Rubble giggles
Adams Rubble: The first time I read the heart sutra I almost cried, not out of joy, but from fear
Riddle Sideways: any and all the 5 words vary through the range of amountness
Riddle Sideways: yes!
Adams Rubble: ohhh amountness :)
Riddle Sideways: sorry, not sure what 'word' to put there
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: I like it
Adams Rubble: but quanity might be the word you are looking for :)
Riddle Sideways: yes
Adams Rubble: the scientific word
Adams Rubble: not the poet's word

BS again

Riddle Sideways: the quanity of appearence and/or presentation varying the amount of Being seen
Riddle Sideways: Oh Dear! the Seen word
Adams Rubble: not to mention the quality of appreciation
Adams Rubble: BS you mean
Adams Rubble giggles
Riddle Sideways: giggles at both
Adams Rubble: Stim did not understand the YSBS exercise
Adams Rubble: said how can Being see
Riddle Sideways: thinking of the Quality of 8-bit graphics
Riddle Sideways: in a way...
Adams Rubble: but we don't want to start with YSBS this late in a session :)
Adams Rubble: can we put a wrap on APAPB?
Riddle Sideways: good... will stop Seeing stuff
Adams Rubble: hehe
Adams Rubble: we can emphasize any of the 5 words and get a different view
Riddle Sideways: of course
Riddle Sideways: and is what is usually done
Adams Rubble: dare I wonder about how Being would see APAPB
Riddle Sideways: am happiest with each of the 5 words (and the combinations of sub-phrases) vary in intensity with each saying
Adams Rubble takes off other show and hits herself in the head
Riddle Sideways: lol
Adams Rubble: shoe
Riddle Sideways: no, like 'show'
Adams Rubble: maybe end with APAPB is a show
Adams Rubble: or as Ed Sullivan might say " a really big shoe"

Onion-like layering

Riddle Sideways: in TSK there were onion type layering
Adams Rubble: yes
Riddle Sideways: and the little mindedness of a current layer
Riddle Sideways: is easily solved in the next layer
Riddle Sideways: the seeing no solution
Adams Rubble: but joy in appreciation
Riddle Sideways: stepping back, raising conscienceless, out a layer
Riddle Sideways: Yes! all of it is the Joy in/of Appreciation
Riddle Sideways: puts the smile on today
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: we seem to find a good place to end a session :)
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: Thank you Riddle fo meeting me today to make up for my absence Tuesday
Riddle Sideways: and again the topics of Silent meditation Day and/or Monterey Pop 50th are saved for another day
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: no makeup neccessary
Adams Rubble: 50th anniversary?
Riddle Sideways: always glad for chat
Adams Rubble: wow
Adams Rubble: yes, good chat
Riddle Sideways: until next time, my friend
Adams Rubble: I hope you have a wonderful day. Not so far to go until next week now :)
Riddle Sideways: :) yes
Adams Rubble: bye for now and thanks again :)
Riddle Sideways: if you look at it like that
Riddle Sideways: thank you