2008.05.08 19:00 - The traffic we all encounter

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    The guardian at this meeting was Maxine Walden and the comments are hers. 


    That evening, Maxine visited the tea house, to stand in for me, since I was attending an astronomy workshop at that time (11 am the next day in Tokyo).
    She send me the following report, and provided a narrative as well. So the “I person” speaking here is Maxine. The title of this entry is hers as well.

    I was in the teahouse for only a couple of minutes when Thorberg came in.

    Maxine Walden: hi, Thorberg, please join me
    Thorberg Nordlicht: there, that’s better, hello
    Maxine Walden: glad to see you here
    Thorberg Nordlicht: likewise
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i’ve met so many people here in the past week, it’s difficult to keep track of who i’ve talked to and who i haven’t
    Thorberg Nordlicht: forgive me if i don’t remember if or when we met
    Maxine Walden: Oh, yes, I can appreciate that
    Maxine Walden: I think we met at one of the previous zen retreat meetings when Pema was here
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i see
    Thorberg Nordlicht: hmmm, seem to be levitating
    Maxine Walden: and I believe you agreed to be a greeter at one of these meetings…yes, I levitate sometimes here on these pillows too
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: hey.
    Maxine Walden: oh, Fried, hello,
    Thorberg Nordlicht: hello Friedrich
    Maxine Walden: good to see you
    Thorberg Nordlicht: yes, there was one night i was greeter when Pema couldn’t be here

    Then in came Friedrich, to join us as well. We spoke a little about traffic in RL and SL, he was speaking about difficulty in teleporting, that kind of traffic

    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: got stuck in traffic
    Thorberg Nordlicht: I DO recognize Friedrich
    Thorberg Nordlicht: he’s been here before too
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: yes, you too
    Thorberg Nordlicht: “traffic” in RL
    Thorberg Nordlicht: ?
    Maxine Walden: oh, yes, traffic?
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: teleprt trouble
    Maxine Walden: oh, yes, I can appreciate that
    Thorberg Nordlicht: ah, i see, “traffic” in SL
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: but, quite literally, probably traffic realted
    Thorberg Nordlicht: yes, that’s really annoying when you can’t get somewhere in SL because you can’t teleport
    Maxine Walden: I have not yet had that experience but I can imagine the frustration
    Maxine Walden: worse than RL traffic, perhaps
    Thorberg Nordlicht: not only frustating trying to get somewhere, but also sometimes you want to teleport to make a quick/graceful exit from somewhere, but you can’t get away

    Then Friedrich began to speak about frustration and the PaB practice

    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i don’t drive often, but yeah. nobody likes traffic. though, i wonder about the PaB practice & raffic
    Thorberg Nordlicht: you have a thought about PaB practice and traffic?
    Maxine Walden: traffic and the PaB practice?
    Maxine Walden: two similar questions
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: well, ther frustration part at least
    Thorberg Nordlicht: yes
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i do recall the experience of starting yoga years ago (I have since lapsed) and stress melting away …
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: this is on a smaller scale for me so far, but similiar
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i understand
    Maxine Walden: oh, frustration and the PaB practice…please say more
    Thorberg Nordlicht: had the same experience with Tai Chi
    Maxine Walden: yes…
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i’m sure i’d love it if i stuck with it, but drifted away
    Maxine Walden: just lost interest, perhaps?
    Maxine Walden: or something else
    Thorberg Nordlicht: definitely got to the point of understanding what people meant when they talk about “feeling the flow of the chi”

    And we spoke about different perspectives on chaos, mental space, and related issues coming from previous experience. It was so interesting to have two virtually opposite views right in the room

    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: its currently helping me a bit w/ boredom and stress. i can watch it dissipate
    Thorberg Nordlicht: not so much lost interest and just too many demands on my time
    Maxine Walden: choosing where to put one’s time is really a challenge for me
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i’m trying to simplify my life to reduce stress
    Maxine Walden: so many RL things mostly tugging at my sleeve, it feels..is it that way for you?
    Maxine Walden: oh, yes, simplify,
    Thorberg Nordlicht: yes, making life too complicated thinking that’s going to make it better, but actually makes things worse
    Maxine Walden: to provide more time and space?
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: perhaps. i think for many people, no matter how much they have on thier plate they are busy. feelingoverwhemd is a matter of perspective
    Maxine Walden: please say more Friedrich
    Thorberg Nordlicht: Suzuki roshi said if your meditation practice makes your life more complcated then cut back and start out slowly
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: so, i figure, might as well take alot on, if i feel busy anyway
    Thorberg Nordlicht: yes, Friedrich: elaborate
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: nothing particularly deep. snarky maybe. just the recognition that i’m going to feel busy no matter how much I take on, so why not take more on?
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i see
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: kinda hte opposite from simplifying, perhaps ;-)
    Thorberg Nordlicht: as long as it feels “right” for you
    Thorberg Nordlicht: for e, at this point in my life, feels like i need to simplify
    Maxine Walden: maybe, seems the notion of more time and space does not feel so important
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i am quite compfortable with chaos
    Thorberg Nordlicht: “tolerance of ambiguity”
    Maxine Walden: I see, interesting, chaos is something which is a challenge for me in terms of being able to have clarity
    Maxine Walden: but maybe we are placing value on different things
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: well, i grew up in a rather chaotic home, so maybe it just feels right
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i see; makes sense
    Maxine Walden: oh, yes, familiar
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: and, i like trying to find the patterns around me, i suppose.
    Thorberg Nordlicht: :-)
    Maxine Walden: interesting…
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i grew up in an environment that was outwardly quiet, but with a lot of unspoken tension
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: oh, ours was spoken… loudly ;-)
    Thorberg Nordlicht: haha
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: do you have siblings?
    Thorberg Nordlicht: (not meaning to make light of it, though)
    Thorberg Nordlicht: no, no siblings for me; only child
    Maxine Walden: oh, no siblings to ‘take the tension out on’
    Thorberg Nordlicht: right
    Maxine Walden: that could be very difficult
    Thorberg Nordlicht: and I’m an introvert by nature; but not antisocial; just true introvert in the sense that i need lots of “alone” time to balance and process social contact
    Maxine Walden: lots of time and space?
    Maxine Walden: maybe to prevent unwelcome tension to build up
    Thorberg Nordlicht: some people find social contact to be invigorating and stimulating, whereas I find it to be exhausting; need lots of “time and space” to process
    Thorberg Nordlicht: yes
    Thorberg Nordlicht: intersting how everyone is different
    Maxine Walden: I think I can understand that…yes so interesting our differences
    Maxine Walden: and still some similarities
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i’m sure we’re all shaped by our childhood environment, but there’s no question we come into the world with our own personalities and agenda

    Friedrich suggested an article for us to read

    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: along these lines, you might enjoy this article HYPERLINK “http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/bu...ce&oref=sloginhttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/bu...ce&oref=slogin
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: its all about establishing patterns and breaking habbits
    Thorberg Nordlicht: ((following link))
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: when i read it today i thought alot about PaB
    Maxine Walden: this is the PaB time, I think, which began at 7pm SL time
    Maxine Walden: please say more about the article
    Thorberg Nordlicht: hmmm, interesting; i’ll bookmark it and get back to it when i have time; thanks
    Maxine Walden: yes, and I need to say that I need to leave in about 3 minutes to go to another meeting
    Thorberg Nordlicht: can you summarize it for us?
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: its about consciously deciding to create new habbits
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i see
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: how, hte old ones are tough to change, but new ones form in parallel
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i mean, its from a neurobiological perspective
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i see
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: part of what was intereting to me in relation to this practice, is that the article suggests that it barely matters what new habbit you choose to form
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: just breaking routine can trigger all sorts of introspection and self-awareness

    As occasionally happens I felt frustrated that as the discussion was really getting interesting I had to go to another meeting and so excused myself with enough time to manage the transcript.

    Maxine Walden: Afraid I will have to go, please continue…I will take the notes so far for Pema’s blog, is that OK?

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