2008.05.17 07:00 - Far from Itsari

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    The Guardian was Pema, the comments are his.


    That morning the tea house was empty when I entered, but soon afterward Moon who show up, followed by Siddhartha.

    Pema Pera: Hi there!
    Pema Pera: welcome back!
    Moon Fargis: ah hi pema
    Pema Pera: Sorry you had nobody to talk with earlier
    Pema Pera: Hi Siddhartha!
    Pema Pera: welcome!
    Moon Fargis: dont worry i enjoy silece and the birds
    Siddhartha Gausman: ty
    Siddhartha Gausman: this is lovely
    Pema Pera: your first time here, Sid?
    Siddhartha Gausman: indeed
    Pema Pera: I’m very lucky that I can use this tea house
    Siddhartha Gausman: if you mean in rieul
    Pema Pera: yes
    Pema Pera: Dakini Rhode built it
    Siddhartha Gausman: are we far from Itsari?
    Pema Pera: I think so
    Moon Fargis: yes very far:)
    Siddhartha Gausman: lol
    Pema Pera: haha
    Moon Fargis: and verry close
    Pema Pera: but to the extent that space and time are illusions . . . .
    Pema Pera: exactly
    Siddhartha Gausman: sum ting wong with my outfit
    Siddhartha Gausman: excuse me

    Sid left the room to straighten out his clothes.

    Pema Pera: how often do you have your meetings, Moon?
    Moon Fargis: just one time a week at sunday 1 PM
    Pema Pera: meditation and/or talks?
    Moon Fargis: yes meditation and talk
    Moon Fargis: mostly deigned for newbies in buddhism
    Pema Pera: those are the best talks
    Moon Fargis: but sometimes the discussion gets verry detailed and advanced
    Pema Pera: for beginners
    Pema Pera: beginner’s mind
    Moon Fargis: depending on that what the people ask
    Pema Pera: yes, I enjoyed reading your dialogues
    Pema Pera: the three you gave me
    Moon Fargis: thanks
    Pema Pera: always interesting to see the different points of view
    Pema Pera: like here too
    Pema Pera: I’ve had about a hundred people visiting in 40 days
    Pema Pera: great variations of attitudes and approaches
    Moon Fargis: hehe “the christ says: this is blue .. the moslim say: this is black … and the buddhist said: hmmm (everone looks at the same thing….nothing)”

    Siddhartha returned to the room.

    Siddhartha Gausman: Namaste
    Pema Pera: namaste!
    Pema Pera: yes, Buddhist do seem to be more flexible in their cosmology :>)
    Moon Fargis: well i think you know the cosmos verry well.. hehe
    Pema Pera: the material part, yes :-)
    Pema Pera: get paid for doing that as my hobby
    Moon Fargis: hehe
    Pema Pera: good deal
    Pema Pera: but what really interests me is the totality of reality
    Pema Pera: beyond just matter or mind
    Moon Fargis: so pema i didn’t tell sid about play as being yet
    Pema Pera: please do!
    Moon Fargis: because i wanted to leave you about this thing before i babble nonsense
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pema Pera: Sid, what we are doing here is a kind of minimalist art
    Pema Pera: meditation for 9 seconds only
    Pema Pera: hehe
    Pema Pera: see http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/
    Pema Pera: but we do it every fifteen minutes
    Pema Pera: four times an hour
    Pema Pera: 1% of the time
    Pema Pera: but persistenty
    Pema Pera: somehow it seems to work
    Pema Pera: in that many people report that surprisingly something happens
    Pema Pera: when there is no expectation . . . .
    Siddhartha Gausman: that sounds very practical
    Pema Pera: yup
    Pema Pera: that was the idea
    Pema Pera: after having been engaged in many meditation forms myself
    Pema Pera: for a few decades
    Pema Pera: mostly zen and Tibetan Buddhism
    Pema Pera: I decided to try something topsy turvy
    Pema Pera: upside
    Pema Pera: down
    Siddhartha Gausman: upside
    Siddhartha Gausman: down
    Siddhartha Gausman: or
    Siddhartha Gausman: down
    Siddhartha Gausman: upside
    Pema Pera: normally the problem is integration . . . . after meditation how to integrate into daily life
    Moon Fargis: dubside uown
    Siddhartha Gausman: lol
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Pema Pera: so we start with integration
    Pema Pera: very little at first to integrate
    Pema Pera: but we dig a canal so to speak
    Pema Pera: for a stream to flow
    Pema Pera: first a trickle
    Pema Pera: but at least it flows
    Pema Pera: and then we intensify

    It took a while for me to understand microsoft based abbreviations, such as Internet Explorer, something I’ve never used yet :-)

    Siddhartha Gausman: is there a way to save weblinks SL without creating bookmarks in IE?
    Moon Fargis: hmmm
    Moon Fargis: do a notecard:)
    Pema Pera: what is IE?
    Siddhartha Gausman: good idea
    Siddhartha Gausman: Internet exp
    Moon Fargis: also called “iiehhhhh”
    Pema Pera: exp?
    Siddhartha Gausman: lorer
    Pema Pera: iie = no in Japanese?
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Pema Pera: got it now
    Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/
    Moon Fargis gave you green tea Bizen.
    green tea Bizen whispers: Thank you
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    green tea Bizen whispers: Thank you
    Pema Pera: I should probably create note cards to hand out
    Pema Pera: but at the same time I am a bit reluctant to define our whole approach in one card
    Moon Fargis: jut write doen ” “
    Moon Fargis: +w
    Siddhartha Gausman: ty, ill check that out in more detail later, but it looks like a cool website
    Pema Pera: I actually enjoy re-explaining every time
    Pema Pera: each time different
    Pema Pera: thank you!
    Pema Pera: you will find on the blog many conversations — probably far too much material ;>)
    Pema Pera: but maybe fun to see how different people react

    I asked Sid about his practice.

    Pema Pera: what kind of practice do you do, if I may ask?
    Siddhartha Gausman: i have not gone so far as to destinguish any particular school of thought yet.
    Pema Pera: may not be necessary
    Siddhartha Gausman: i basically just use basic buddhist principles in my life. i stay mindful, do no harm, etc
    Pema Pera: that is great, all by itself!
    Pema Pera: as for meditation, generally there is a tendency to view it as far more complex than it actually has to be
    Moon Fargis: yes
    Siddhartha Gausman: i could not agree more
    Pema Pera: the problem is: people want to “learn” to meditate
    Pema Pera: acquire a skill
    Pema Pera: but that’s totally the wrong attitude
    Pema Pera: meditation is subtraction not addition
    Siddhartha Gausman: so many people try to think too much, or jump from normal thought to no thought in a fell swoop
    Pema Pera: yes
    Pema Pera: too forced
    Siddhartha Gausman: i was attending a meditation class at the Skeptical Buddhists Sky Sangha, and…
    Pema Pera: what a fun name!!
    Siddhartha Gausman: a young lady was trying to meditate…
    Siddhartha Gausman: (well, it’s in the sky, so it makes sense, lol)
    Pema Pera: what is the skeptical part?
    Siddhartha Gausman: she was constantly distracted by her cats playing, somewhat loudly,
    Siddhartha Gausman: (name of the group. its in my profile)
    Siddhartha Gausman: i just told her that while meditating, if you are distracted by something that will not subside,
    Siddhartha Gausman: simply shift your mindful focus to the event, and it is no longer a distraction
    Siddhartha Gausman: merely a stimulus
    Siddhartha Gausman: understand why it is happening, and embrace it
    Pema Pera: that makes sense
    Pema Pera: not denial but integration
    Siddhartha Gausman: it may, at that point, no longer distract you at all.
    Siddhartha Gausman: she later told me that it worked.
    Pema Pera: great!
    Moon Fargis: hehe this reminds me on my table.. its selfbuild and made out of wood… when i do zazen mostly before going to bed the wood resize because my arm left ,,, and mostly in the middle of my zazen it maked “KNARK!!!!!”
    Pema Pera: It’s amazing that SL can actually be a vehicle for such transformations . . ..
    Siddhartha Gausman: in fact, after her cats noticed her watching them, and saying/doing nothing, they left her alone, to continue meditation
    Pema Pera: what fun!
    Moon Fargis: hehe cats are intlelligent
    Siddhartha Gausman: indeed
    Pema Pera: yup

    Sid took off

    Siddhartha Gausman: it was a pleasure to meet you both, i hope to see you soon. i must be off.
    Pema Pera: nice to meet you too, Sid!
    Pema Pera: I had just read about you
    Siddhartha Gausman: thank you for the tea
    Pema Pera: in the dialogues that Moon gave me
    Pema Pera: so nice to connect the avatar with the text!
    Siddhartha Gausman: Namaste
    Pema Pera: take care
    Pema Pera: and drop by whenever you like
    Pema Pera: we are here four times a day
    Pema Pera: 1 and 7
    Siddhartha Gausman: ty i will.
    Pema Pera: am and pm
    Siddhartha Gausman: lovely sim
    Pema Pera: every 6 hours
    Pema Pera: thank you!

    At that time, Moon also had disappeared, so I left as well. Later it turned out that his internet connection had been interrupted, but when we exchanged IMs after he came back online, we decided to wait till next time to meet.

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