Hotaru Myoo: Hi Pema
Pema Pera: Hi Hotaru!
Pema Pera: How are you?
Hotaru Myoo: Braindead
Hotaru Myoo: you?
Pema Pera: well, busy, but what else is new :-)
Hotaru Myoo: right
Pema Pera: Have you been working too hard?
Pema Pera: or on not so interesting projects?
Hotaru Myoo: sorry about missing this mornings meeting
Pema Pera: oh, no problem
Hotaru Myoo: how was it?
Hotaru Myoo: actually
Hotaru Myoo: an aquaintance was here
Hotaru Myoo: showshow
Pema Pera: we’ll have to find a way to accomodate people’s needs
Pema Pera: yes, he mentioned that
Pema Pera: and conveyed your IMs to the group :)
Hotaru Myoo: haha
Pema Pera: it may be unrealistic to get 15 people together at the same time
Pema Pera: or even half of those
Pema Pera: we’ll have to see
Pema Pera: email would be an alternative
Hotaru Myoo: this time was an anomally for me
Hotaru Myoo: normally… it should be a fit
Pema Pera: and it was memorial day weekend
We were talking about the weekly guardians’ meeting, the morning before.
Hotaru Myoo: certainly easier for me than you
Hotaru Myoo: haha
Hotaru Myoo: talk about burning the candle
Pema Pera: yeah, well, it is getting easier and easier
Pema Pera: fortunately
Hotaru Myoo: good
Pema Pera: with our growing group of guardians!
Hotaru Myoo: say..
Hotaru Myoo: is there anything exceptional going on in Japan this weekend?
Pema Pera: Not that I know of but I could easily have missed it
Pema Pera: what did you think of?
Hotaru Myoo: in what context?
Hotaru Myoo checks her brain once again….may have left it at the door
Pema Pera: anything exceptional going on in Japan this weekend
Pema Pera: haha
Hotaru Myoo: ah …parallel to Memorial Day here?
Pema Pera: ah!
Hotaru Myoo: I no there is nothing related
Pema Pera: I don’t think so
Hotaru Myoo: but…start of summer?
Hotaru Myoo: seasonal celebration?
Pema Pera: there are a number of Japanese holidays, but not right now
Pema Pera: there was Golden week
Pema Pera: a few weeks ago
Hotaru Myoo: Golden week?
Pema Pera: and then there are many many local festivals
Pema Pera: yes, golden week is a period in which a number of holidays are linked together in almost a full week of holidays
Hotaru Myoo: there is always something
Pema Pera: the most crazy time to travel in Japan
Hotaru Myoo: haha
Pema Pera: a Google will tell you no doubt
Hotaru Myoo: and you do daily commutes right?
Pema Pera: I arrived at the tail end, fortunately
Hotaru Myoo: nice
Pema Pera: half the week Tokyo half the week Kyoto for now
Hotaru Myoo: ah
I was wondering about Hotaru being on line most of the time.
Hotaru Myoo: I happened to be up…
Hotaru Myoo: thought if I could just hold out until 1am sl
Pema Pera: That’s nice, I appreciate it!
Hotaru Myoo: have you tried to cultivate participants from East Asia?
Pema Pera: how many hours a night do you sleep?
Hotaru Myoo: any colleagues?
Pema Pera: no
Hotaru Myoo: 3
Hotaru Myoo: and then I catch naps when possible
Pema Pera: I have not cultivated much of anything :>) I just sit here, like a bartender, waiting for people to shouw up :>)
Pema Pera: wow
Hotaru Myoo: lol
Pema Pera: those naps must be delightful I bet!
Pema Pera: given the need
Hotaru Myoo: better have the tea
Hotaru Myoo: yes
Hotaru Myoo: essential
Hotaru Myoo: I have always been that way
Hotaru Myoo: artist hours
Hotaru Myoo: like PaB
Hotaru Myoo: I exist in small bites
Pema Pera: hahaha
Pema Pera: like a fire fly
Hotaru Myoo: exactly
Pema Pera: so the 9-sec explorations are perfect for you then
Hotaru Myoo: I feel like life is too short not to make the most of every minute
Hotaru Myoo: yes
Hotaru Myoo: lately…
Hotaru Myoo: I have been exploring the emotional state that I find myself in at those touchstone moments
Hotaru spoke about her work and her experiences with the Play as Being approach.
Pema Pera: I’m all ears
Pema Pera: though they are now hidden under my hair
Hotaru Myoo: widely variable
Hotaru Myoo: now that may have something to do with sl
Hotaru Myoo: sl seems to have a characteristic of …
Hotaru Myoo: well…
Hotaru Myoo: let’s say…
Hotaru Myoo: high intensity
Pema Pera: yes!
Hotaru Myoo: which carries over into rl
Hotaru Myoo: I work with teenagers
Hotaru Myoo: so there are some similarities in that too
Pema Pera: I can imagine!
Hotaru Myoo: that rhythm
Hotaru Myoo: every moment is like their last one on earth
Hotaru Myoo: somehow…in rl…I am the great leveler
Hotaru Myoo: in rl…the interface is more immediate and direct
Hotaru Myoo: and affectual
Pema Pera: leveler like coming across to the kids?
Hotaru Myoo: yes
Pema Pera: and how does that compare iwth SL?
Hotaru Myoo: I teach art/ethics/character
Hotaru Myoo: and pluralism
Hotaru Myoo: so I find that is my role
Hotaru Myoo: to be even
Hotaru Myoo: moderate
Hotaru Myoo: so when I do the 15 min check
Hotaru Myoo: I have been surprised by the stacatto nature of the emotive scale
In walked Storm Ayres, a new visitor.
Pema Pera: Hi Storm!
Pema Pera: come join us
Storm Ayres: hi
Hotaru Myoo: Hi Storm
Pema Pera: Welcome!
Pema Pera: have you been here before?
Storm Ayres: thx :-)
Storm Ayres: no first time
Hotaru Myoo: kewl
Pema Pera: nice area here, isn’t it?
Storm Ayres: yes
Hotaru Myoo: very peaceful
Pema Pera: we get together here with a small group of friends, a few times a day, quite often
Hotaru Myoo: where are you from Storm?
Pema Pera: every six hours
Storm Ayres: belgium
Storm Ayres: you??
Hotaru Myoo: great!
Hotaru Myoo: US
Pema Pera: North or South?
Hotaru Myoo: Chicago
Storm Ayres: windy city
Hotaru Myoo: Pema is from all over
Hotaru Myoo: yaya
Pema Pera: I’m from Holland originally
Pema Pera: live in New York City
Pema Pera: but now I am visiting Tokyo
Storm Ayres: you know how to talk dutch??
Turned out, we both did speak Dutch.
Pema Pera: jazeker
Pema Pera: jij ook?
Storm Ayres: :-))
Storm Ayres: ja ik ook
Pema Pera: wat een kleine wereld
Pema Pera: we spreken hier allerlei talen
Pema Pera: Hotaru is goed in Italiaans
Pema Pera: en ze leert nu ook Japans
Storm Ayres: is dat zeker vooral in sl
Pema Pera: ik ben in Utrecht geboren
Pema Pera: in Groningen getogen
Pema Pera: in Amsterdam mijn studie voltooid
Storm Ayres: je hebt een beetje overal gezeten
Pema Pera: Hotaru, somehow I would not be surprised if you would know Dutch too!
Pema Pera: after Italian and Japanese
Hotaru Myoo: haha
Pema Pera: but I guess you didn’t want to show off, right?
Hotaru Myoo: I got the ‘duh’ down
Pema Pera: haha
Storm Ayres: japanese is not easy to learn
Pema Pera: it takes a while, yes
Hotaru Myoo: it’s the kanji that gets me
Hotaru Myoo: hiragana/katakana
Hotaru Myoo: phoenetically I can manage
Pema Pera: 漢字は難しい。。。
Hotaru Myoo: it’s the 13000 charaters
Pema Pera: kanji ha muzukashii . . .
Pema Pera: kanji are difficult
Hotaru Myoo: haha
Hotaru Myoo: yes
Hotaru Myoo: how long have you been working on it Pema?
Pema Pera: oh, for a quarter only
Pema Pera: a quarter century
Hotaru Myoo: century?
Hotaru Myoo: \haha
Pema Pera: short in astronomical time scales
Hotaru Myoo: haha
We continued to interweave our various strands of text.
Hotaru Myoo: So Storm
Pema Pera: Ik ben sterrenkundige
Hotaru Myoo: rather…Pema
Hotaru Myoo: tell Storm what we are doing here
Hotaru Myoo: or did you?
Pema Pera: no
Pema Pera: not
Pema Pera: yet
Pema Pera: but why don’t you summarize?
Pema Pera: I love your new expression
Pema Pera: what was it
Hotaru Myoo: (it’s not baking cookies)
Hotaru Myoo: what?
Pema Pera: “I have been exploring the emotional state that I find myself in at those touchstone moments”
Pema Pera: touchstone moments
Pema Pera: very nice!
Hotaru Myoo: ah yes
Pema Pera: Had never thought about them in those terms yet
Hotaru Myoo: well that is what they are
Hotaru Myoo: Storm…
Hotaru Myoo: what we do …
Hotaru Myoo: this is something Pema cooked up … not cookies
Pema Pera: haha!
Hotaru Myoo: although cookis have entered into the conversations
Storm Ayres: :-))
Hotaru Myoo: as points of recall
Hotaru Myoo: anyway …
Hotaru Myoo: I digress
Pema Pera: I’m getting hungry now . . . almost dinner time in Tokyo!
Hotaru then summarized our PaB explorations.
Hotaru Myoo: every 15 minutes…
Hotaru Myoo: wait
Hotaru Myoo: there is a name for this\
Hotaru Myoo: Play as Being
Hotaru Myoo: and the activity to stop for 9 seconds…every 15 minutes
Hotaru Myoo: and reflect on your state of Being
Hotaru Myoo: or just Being
Hotaru Myoo: …short meditative moments
Hotaru Myoo: of conscious awarness
Hotaru Myoo: awareness
Hotaru Myoo: a rather habituated activity
Hotaru Myoo: that is experienced personally …
Hotaru Myoo: and individually …
Hotaru Myoo: idiosyncratically
Hotaru Myoo: …then…
Hotaru Myoo: we get together at 1am, 7an, 1pm, and 7pm sl
Hotaru Myoo: to chat about whsat it is we are experiencing
Hotaru Myoo: what*
Hotaru Myoo: accumatively..
Hotaru Myoo: sometimes
Hotaru Myoo: philosophically
Hotaru Myoo: other
Hotaru Myoo: in various contexts
Hotaru Myoo: depending on who is here
Hotaru Myoo: the response is exponential
Hotaru Myoo: chaotic
Hotaru Myoo: complex
Hotaru Myoo: nonlinear
Hotaru Myoo: certainly not fixed
Storm Ayres: is’t always the same people who’s here
Hotaru Myoo: no
Hotaru Myoo: widely variable
Hotaru Myoo: its what makes it organic
I added a bit of information.
Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/ is the web site, where we collect many of the dialogues we have here — if you have a few minutes, some day, you can look and get an idea
Hotaru Myoo: see…you are hear
Hotaru Myoo: a wild card
Pema Pera: haha
Pema Pera: many people just walk by
Hotaru Myoo: here? or hear?
Hotaru Myoo: both!
Pema Pera: :-)
Hotaru Myoo: so…jump in anytime
Pema Pera: much of the time we just have a good time chatting
Pema Pera: probably 2/3 of the time
Hotaru Myoo: about what’s for dinner
Storm Ayres: i will jump in more often
Pema Pera: and 1/3 of the time weg get a bit more serious
Pema Pera: the nice thing is that our 9-seconds method takes very little time, and yet many of us have had quite profound experiences
Pema Pera: perhaps because there are so little expectations :-)
Hotaru Myoo: can you cite some examples for Storm, Pema?
Pema Pera: oh, that is hard, on the spot . . . . .
Hotaru Myoo: haha
Pema Pera: . . . perhaps I should just talk for myself
Hotaru Myoo: if anyone can handle it…
Hotaru Myoo: you can…
I started to give a bit of an impression of how the 9-sec explorations have unfolded for me.
Pema Pera: I have had many brief moments in the middle of the day
Pema Pera: when I stopped
Storm Ayres: yes try it
Pema Pera: in which I felt I had entered a dream realm
Pema Pera: or fairy tale realm
Hotaru Myoo: isn’t that a great analogy of sl?
Pema Pera: or a way of knowing/being that I normally associate with much longer meditative or contemplative practices
Hotaru Myoo: a concentrated experience
Pema Pera: yes, the transition RL to/from SL is a great example of changes in awareness
Hotaru Myoo: the synthesis is blurry
Hotaru Myoo: I think that is why I am braindead
Hotaru Myoo: a buzzing
Hotaru Myoo: an emotive buzz
Storm Ayres: this is new for me..so sorry if i not talk much
Hotaru Myoo: no worries
Hotaru Myoo: have we hooked you yet?
Storm Ayres: i will learn know more
Pema Pera: In de laatste twee maanden, sinds we begonnen zijn, hebben we zo’n hundred verschillende mensen hier gehad, de helft ervan komen af en toe terug, en een kwart komen regelmatig — er zijn nu weinig, omdat het nacht is in de VS.
Pema Pera: sorry, Hotaru
Hotaru Myoo: np
We talked about language switching
Pema Pera: just nice to speak my own tongue occasionally
Pema Pera: very few chances normally
Hotaru Myoo: yaya
Storm Ayres: yes that’s tru
Pema Pera: in RL and SL both :-)
Pema Pera: sort of odd
Pema Pera: having grown up in Holland till I was 28
Pema Pera: and after that speaking my own language only about 2% of the time . . . . .
Pema Pera: at most
Pema Pera: making RL a type of virtual world all in itself for me
Hotaru Myoo: that is a shape shifting experience
Pema Pera: Of course, I can express myself quite well in English by now, but it is not the same as using the language you grew up in
Hotaru Myoo: since you are comfortable in the abstract world…
Hotaru Myoo: it probably is a fit that you find somewhat (oddly) comfortable
Hotaru Myoo: Ayu is dealing with that now
Pema Pera: oh yeah, I’m certainly comfortable . . . just odd, when I think about it :-)
Hotaru Myoo: yes
Hotaru Myoo: reflectively
Pema Pera: Is Ayu not living in Japan?
Hotaru Myoo: yes
Hotaru Myoo: so he is close to his native tongue
Hotaru Myoo: using it daily
Hotaru Myoo: but anyone who shifts between languages must experience that sort of oddity
Hotaru Myoo: exsistential oddity
Pema Pera: that reminds me, I was very impressed with your Italian the other day!
Hotaru Myoo: haha
Pema Pera: How did you get so fluent?
Hotaru Myoo: cheap trick
Pema Pera: Babel?
Hotaru Myoo: yup
Pema Pera: ah!
Pema Pera: well, it shows how limited my Italian is
Hotaru Myoo: works so much better with the romantic languages
Pema Pera: or otherwise I would have noticed the incongruencies of automatic translations
Hotaru Myoo: very fluid
I was curious to see how the Babelfish would handle Dutch, hadn’t tried that yet.
Pema Pera: wanna try Dutch?
Hotaru Myoo: k
Hotaru Myoo: shoot
Pema Pera: go ahead!
Pema Pera: hahaha
Pema Pera: Storm en ik zijn werkelijk heel benieuwd of je deze zin automatisch kunt vertalen
Pema Pera: good luck!
Hotaru Myoo: Ik dacht enkel waarom wij zo drwn aan dit proces… zijn
Pema Pera: drwn?
Pema Pera: drawn!
Pema Pera: aha, that was not translated
Hotaru Myoo: getrokken
Hotaru Myoo: haha
Pema Pera: you wondered why we were so drawn to this process, right
Hotaru Myoo: yes
Pema Pera: close enough!
Pema Pera: better than the Japanese translations
Pema Pera: I can only understand those because I can read the original
Hotaru Myoo: oh goodness yes
Hotaru Myoo: haha
Pema Pera: but then again, the grammar is totally different
Hotaru Myoo: there are some good Japanese translators
Pema Pera: can you recommend one?
Hotaru Myoo: I have to get the info and give it to you later
Hotaru Myoo: yes…
Pema Pera: I’d appreciate that very much!
Hotaru Myoo: sure
Hotaru Myoo: we’ll send you out to demo
Hotaru Myoo: return with a consumer report
It was time for me to turn back to RL.
Pema Pera: Well, it’s dinner time now for me and interestingly I will meet a neighbor from here in Rieul for dinner in Ikebukuro
Pema Pera: thanks!
Pema Pera: First time I will meet him in RL
Pema Pera: She has a plot around the corner
Hotaru Myoo: awesome!
Hotaru Myoo: so kewl
Pema Pera: and we found out that we were both in Tokyo :-)
Hotaru Myoo: haha
Hotaru Myoo: well..
Hotaru Myoo: lets hope we get the same opportunity
Hotaru Myoo: there is a hairs breath between rl and sl
Pema Pera: Well thanks for stoping by, Hotaru!
Hotaru Myoo: thanks Pema!
Pema Pera: Leuk je hier ontmoet te hebben Storm!
Storm Ayres: ja jij ook
Hotaru Myoo: Good to meet you Storm
Pema Pera: je ziet, ik moet even op gang komen om weer echt natuurlijk nederlands te spreken
Storm Ayres: same here hotaru
Storm Ayres: :-)
Hotaru Myoo: Thanks Pema for the experience…as always
Pema Pera: nog een plezierige dag verder!
Storm Ayres: ja jij ook thx
Pema Pera: well, off to a beer in RL!
I was trying to remember whether I had met others in RL whom I had met first in SL.
Pema Pera: I wonder, come to think of it . . . .
Hotaru Myoo: Vaarwel u twee! Heb een grote dag/middagnacht
Pema Pera: . . . this may be the first time I am meeting someone in RL
Storm Ayres: :-) dank je hotaru
Pema Pera: whom I have first met in SL . . . .
Hotaru Myoo: kewl
Hotaru Myoo: bring it back with you!
Pema Pera: you know,
Pema Pera: the fact that I am not even sure of that
Pema Pera: shows how little difference there is in my memory between SL and RL
Hotaru Myoo: says something significant
Pema Pera: isn’t that interesting in itself?
Hotaru Myoo: yes indeed
Pema Pera: AH!
Hotaru Myoo: woot
Pema Pera: the second time
Hotaru Myoo: ahhh…
Pema Pera: I met someone in RL after she did an SL interview with me
Pema Pera: a few months ago already
Pema Pera: let me find the URL
Pema Pera: http://www.ugotrade.com/2008/01/15/exploring-reality-in-virtual-worlds-with-piet-hut/
Hotaru Myoo: nice…thank you Pema
Pema Pera: ancient, more than four months ago
Pema Pera: one and a half eternities in SL
Hotaru Myoo: ancient for sl …that’s for sure
Hotaru Myoo: hehe
I noticed from Storm’s profile that she had been around for quite a while.
Pema Pera: You’ve been in SL for a long time already, Storm, you are our older sister here — 2006 !!
Hotaru Myoo: thanks again for a great session!
Storm Ayres: he he lol
Hotaru Myoo: Wow!
Pema Pera: okay, tot ziens, c u !
Storm Ayres: doei
Hotaru Myoo: adios
Pema Pera: ach, doei, wat schattig!
Storm Ayres: gtg too
Pema Pera: doei :-)
Storm Ayres: :-))
