2008.05.17 19:00 - Lab Journal Notes

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    The Guardian for this session was Pema, the comments are his.

    That evening, when I walked into the tea room, I found Stim already waiting there. Maxine would join us soon afterward.

    Pema Pera: Hi Stim!
    Stim Morane: Hi Pema!
    Pema Pera: How are things? busy, I take it?
    Stim Morane: sometimes
    Pema Pera: Hi Maxine!
    Stim Morane: How are you doing?
    Maxine Walden: hi Pema and Stim
    Stim Morane: Hi Maxine!
    Maxine Walden: sorry I just accepted a couple of things, clothes that Dakini gave me, and I have to accept them..who knows I may come dressed more elegantly next time
    Pema Pera: after accepting them, you still have to wear them.
    Stim Morane: Pema, would it be possible for me to sit in on one of the astronomy sessions in second life?
    Pema Pera: of course!
    Pema Pera: anyone is welcome
    Maxine Walden: I would enjoy that too, the astronomy
    Stim Morane: Would be interesting to see how that works
    Pema Pera: Max, accepting means it goes into your inventory
    Pema Pera: then you have to go in their to choose what to wear
    Maxine Walden: oh, I can do that now..know about my inventory!!
    Maxine Walden: oh, yes, will do that too

    I told about my astronomy work in SL, centered around MICA, the Meta Institute for Computational Astrophysics

    Pema Pera: http://www.physics.drexel.edu/mica/ has all the info for astronomy programs
    Pema Pera: feel free to drop by at any of the activities
    Stim Morane: Good, thanks!
    Pema Pera: for example, the half hour coffee time every morning at 7:30 SL time
    Pema Pera: and popular talks, etc
    Stim Morane: It would be interesting to compare the ways in which that sort of activity benefits from this environment, versus the more experiential emphasis here in PaB.
    Maxine Walden: yes, thanks great
    Maxine Walden: I agree
    Pema Pera: yes, it is interesting
    Pema Pera: still early days of course, like here
    Stim Morane: yes, of course
    Maxine Walden: how many come to those meetings typically?
    Pema Pera: to the popular talks, about 60 or so
    Maxine Walden: wow!!
    Pema Pera: to other meetings in between 1 and 15 or so
    Pema Pera: fluctuating
    Pema Pera: the popular talks are well advertised
    Pema Pera: in several SL groups

    Stim in turn asked me about my view of PaB, and just at that time Jack walked in, soon followed by Stevenaia.

    Stim Morane: So since you are here, Pema, it would be good to get your current perspective on Play.
    Maxine Walden: that would be interesting
    Pema Pera: Hi Jack!
    Maxine Walden: hello, Jack
    Jack Milgrom: Hi Pera
    Stim Morane: Hi
    Pema Pera: Welcome back
    Jack Milgrom: Thank you
    Pema Pera: You haven’t met Maxine and Stim yet, I guess?
    Jack Milgrom: No I haven’t
    Stim Morane: nice to meet you.
    Pema Pera: they are regulars here
    Maxine Walden: pleased to meet you
    Pema Pera: Jack is here for the second time
    Pema Pera: Hi Steve!
    Jack Milgrom: A pleasure to meet you too
    stevenaia Michinaga: mind if I join you
    Pema Pera: Great seeing you here again!
    Pema Pera: of course not!
    Maxine Walden: oh, nice
    Pema Pera: please do
    Maxine Walden: hello Stevenaia
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks
    Stim Morane: yes, please have a seat
    stevenaia Michinaga: when I see one, I will… thanks
    Pema Pera: Steve, meet Jack, he met us by chance yesterday.
    Pema Pera: haha
    Jack Milgrom: Hello Steve
    Pema Pera: rezzing is slow in SL these days . . . . .
    stevenaia Michinaga: I live in eternal lag
    Maxine Walden: I know that feeling…eternal lag

    I returned to the topic of conversation.

    Pema Pera: Well, while you’re rezzing
    Pema Pera: let me answer Stim’s question
    Pema Pera: He asked me what my evoluation was of PaB, Play as Being, what we are doing here.
    Pema Pera: Basically, I’m very happy and encouraged to see so much response:
    Pema Pera: about a hundred people who have visited since we started six weeks ago
    Stim Morane: good
    Pema Pera: half of them come back sometimes
    Pema Pera: about twenty or so quite frequently
    Pema Pera: As a second point:
    Pema Pera: I am delighted that many people have reported that the 9-sec practice actually worked
    Pema Pera: in the sense of making a difference in their lives
    Pema Pera: which is stunning, given how little times is involved.
    stevenaia Michinaga: 9-sec practice ?
    Pema Pera: ah, the core of what we are doing here is to talk about our 9-sec practice, as the foundation of Play as Being
    Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/ is the web site
    Pema Pera: we spend 9 sec every fifteen minutes, during a couple hours or more a day
    Pema Pera: to stop and drop what we do
    Pema Pera: in RL
    Pema Pera: and then we talk about that here in SL
    Pema Pera: but much of our talk is general banter ;>)
    Pema Pera: So the third point I’d like to mention
    Pema Pera: is the community that is springing up around PaB
    Pema Pera: the forest, the guardians, the various structures that are growing
    Pema Pera: So to sum up, Stim, I’m happy with those three things: visitors, practice, and community
    Pema Pera: But it is still very early, and we’ll have to see where it all will go
    Stim Morane: surprises?
    Pema Pera: all three :-)
    Stim Morane: yes
    Pema Pera: so many people coming by; that the practice works; that we are already building a real community in 6 weeks

    I then summarized our PaB explorations.

    Pema Pera: Steve and Jack, I’m happy to talk more about this 9-sec practice
    Pema Pera: I have not made a note card
    Pema Pera: perhaps I should
    Jack Milgrom: I would like to learn more about it.
    Pema Pera: but http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/ has the details
    stevenaia Michinaga: all ears
    Stim Morane: yes that would be helpful
    stevenaia Michinaga: reading that now
    Pema Pera: and the drawback of a note card is that they contain frozen words
    Pema Pera: I prefer to talk freshly each time.
    Pema Pera: Very briefly:
    Pema Pera: after learning to meditate, the most difficult thing is then to integrate what you learned into daily life
    Pema Pera: we put things here in the other order
    Pema Pera: we start by integrating (almost nothing) and then take it from there.
    Pema Pera: Integration is by paying a 1 % time tax:
    Pema Pera: every fifteen minutes (900 seconds) we spend 9 seconds dropping what we have in order to see what we are.
    Pema Pera: That’s all.
    Jack Milgrom: So you spend the 9 seconds in self-contemplation
    Pema Pera: what do you mean with “self” here ?
    Pema Pera: by yourself?
    Jack Milgrom: I’m just trying to understand what is done in the 9 sec.
    Pema Pera: yes, sorry, I have been very brief, and I’m more than happy to expand.
    Pema Pera: basically, I want to let everybody free to do what they want
    Pema Pera: the frequency is more important than the actual content of the practice
    Pema Pera: but if people ask me for advice, for suggestions
    Pema Pera: I can come up with many ideas
    Pema Pera: like taking a breath
    Pema Pera: looking around
    Pema Pera: dropping what you were preoccupied with
    Pema Pera: and seeing whether you can open up in a natural way
    Pema Pera: or you can chant a brief mantra, if that is your practice, or anything else.
    Jack Milgrom: So its mainly shifting your perception away from what occupies most of our time?
    Pema Pera: yes, Jack, sort of like shooting holes in the cover we have all put over reality
    Pema Pera: letting the light of a wider perspective shine in
    Maxine Walden: the opening feels like what occurs when one pauses at least for me
    Pema Pera: can you say more, Maxine? You’ve been doing this now for quite a while very diligently

    We looked at the practice from various directions.

    Maxine Walden: oh, not to interrupt, but yes I find when I pause for the 9 sec the experience is like taking a breath and opening…may not seem dramatic, and indeed it is not, but it is a gentle way to be with oneslef aside from that focused preoccupation
    stevenaia Michinaga: is this your own “9 sec” or is it taken from another source, Pema?
    Pema Pera: it is my own idea
    stevenaia Michinaga: the method, not the time
    Pema Pera: but it is in line with various traditional practices
    Pema Pera: Stim knows more about that — do you want to comment, Stim?
    Stim Morane: no need here.
    Maxine Walden: am aware that different people of course have very different experiences, was just mentioning my own
    Pema Pera: The freeness of the free form is mine
    Stim Morane: right
    Pema Pera: Traditionally it would be more structured
    Pema Pera: but here in SL, and in the spirit of our times, Play seems essential
    Stim Morane: yes it fits
    Pema Pera: Being is old, the Play element is a new variation
    Jack Milgrom: Play would be essential. Without play there could also be no work, as the two are two sides of the coin.
    Pema Pera: yes, Maxine, and that is the beauty of what we are doing here, that everyone has quite different responses to report, to the 9-sec practice
    Maxine Walden: agree, and we can all learn from each other and do, I do
    Pema Pera: indeed, Jack
    stevenaia Michinaga: interesting, certain computer programs I used to sue required me to “sigh” about every 15 minuite so I would remind myself to save or backup my work… my moment of reflection to save what was valulable the past 15 minutes of my work..(now it;s automatic so I done subconciously sigh anymore) perhaps I should do this again for your instant of reflection
    Stim Morane: why not?
    Pema Pera: great idea, Steve!
    Maxine Walden: might be very interesting
    Pema Pera: I love to hear next time how that will work out
    stevenaia Michinaga: I programmed my body
    Pema Pera: so you have been doing that now for a long time?
    stevenaia Michinaga: not needed now as it autmatically backs up now (new version of the software)
    Pema Pera: a pity perhaps :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: but will rethink now
    Pema Pera: let us know how it will go!

    Solo joined us, and with the five of us we began to fill up the small tea house. I had seen Solo sitting in the outdoor meditation area where Dakini holds her daily 6 pm sessions. However, I had not wanted to disturb him, when I walked into the tea house.

    Pema Pera: Hi Solo!
    Stim Morane: Hi
    Pema Pera: Did you have a good sit?
    Solobill Laville: hey, friends
    Solobill Laville: yes
    Maxine Walden: hi, Solo
    Pema Pera: you looked very content out there
    stevenaia Michinaga: will do, I used to similar things in my youth only woke myself up in the middle of the night to write in my journal after a dream
    Pema Pera: yes, that is related
    Solobill Laville: it actually is good to sit here is SL
    stevenaia Michinaga: interessting what you can adjust your body to do
    stevenaia Michinaga: if only I can convice myself to type better
    Pema Pera: Yes, Steve, such writing helps form a bridge between two realms of awareness, dreams and normal waking life — while the 9-sec practice forms a similar bridge, between normal awareness and something far more open
    Pema Pera: yes, Solo, isn’t that fascinating?
    stevenaia Michinaga: good point
    Pema Pera: I love to attend Dakini’s sessions
    Solobill Laville: Not much different than PaB
    Pema Pera: Solo, Jack is here for the second time, and Steve is also relatively new. Perhaps you can tell something about your PaB experiences, to give them a flavor?

    Solo gave us a nice overview of his work with PaB.

    Solobill Laville: Okay
    Solobill Laville: I actually “practice” PaB about 6 - 12 times a day
    Solobill Laville: Not every 15 minutes, but as it occurs to me
    Solobill Laville: so I guess I have a “natural” approach!
    Solobill Laville: lol
    Solobill Laville: but I also try to make it last as long as it feels appropriate
    Solobill Laville: more like 30 - 60 seconnds
    Solobill Laville: sometimes focusing on my breath
    Solobill Laville: sometimes just stopping
    Solobill Laville: sometimes, most often. practicing on letting go
    Solobill Laville: I want to experience
    Solobill Laville: the sessions “bleeding” into each other
    Solobill Laville: so that ultimately, I can
    Solobill Laville: try to reach a real state
    Solobill Laville: of right mindfulness
    Pema Pera: glad to hear that, Solo, that you freely adapt it to your own sense of what fits best! The whole idea is to make it playful, and 9 seconds was just a starting suggestion
    Solobill Laville: I’ve heard some folks suggest maybe setting an alarm
    Solobill Laville: to remind
    Solobill Laville: but I like my way for me
    Pema Pera: For some that may work better, for others not
    Solobill Laville: right
    Jack Milgrom: It sounds like a practice I do called “looking at atoms”, although I’ve never put a specific time to it.
    Maxine Walden: Solo, are you aware of any specific types of experience during your practice, surprise, as Pema has mentioned or other flavors of experience?
    Solobill Laville: Max, with these shorter bits, I expereince relaxation, and renewed focus, i have
    Solobill Laville: experienced that, (if I understand what you speak of) but not with PaB…yet!!!

    I was intrigued by Jack’s mentioning of atoms, so I asked him to expand a bit. Soon afterward, Theorphrastus walked in, for the first time.

    Pema Pera: Jack, can you say more about “looking at atoms”?
    Jack Milgrom: In quantum physics, you learn that most of what we see in the real world is actually composed of empty space.
    Jack Milgrom: Each atom is small particles with a lot of empty space between them.
    Jack Milgrom: The practice is to shift your perception, rather than looking at what is around you, to look at the space in the atom.
    Jack Milgrom: Obviously you’re not actually seeing an atom, but the idea is that since all atoms are mostly empty space, by looking at the atom…
    Jack Milgrom: you can’t really see where one ends and another begins, so what you actually focus on is the interconnectedness of all things.
    Pema Pera: That is an interesting idea — did you design that kind of exploration yourself, or did you read/hear it somewhere? ANd what happens when you do it?
    Pema Pera: Hi Theophrastus, welcome!
    Maxine Walden: hi, Theophrastus
    Solobill Laville: Hello, Theo
    Theophrastus Nikolaidis: hi everyone. study group. discussion group?
    Pema Pera: all of that and more :>)
    Pema Pera: we’re having fun while also exploring the nature of reality
    Stim Morane: Sorry I have to go just to this point, I enjoyed spending the time with each of you.
    Pema Pera: but not in an intellectual way, or mostly not, at least, more directly, tryign to “see”
    Maxine Walden: bye Stim
    Solobill Laville: Bye, Stim
    Stim Morane: bye
    Theophrastus Nikolaidis: reality. okay. my fascination is with “time” I suppose the two are closely linked.

    That immediately caught my attention, since it is about the most interesting topic for me too. However, I did not want to drop the thread of our conversation.

    Pema Pera: I will say a bit more, Theo, but to finish our previous part of the conversation, let me add this:
    Pema Pera: there is one important element that we have not talked about much: taking notes. I see us treating our life like a laboratory here — and that implies a lab journal. I have found it very helpful, for many reasons, to write down a few words in a journal (could be a piece of paper in my pocket) after each 9-sec practice
    Pema Pera: So what we are doing, Theo, is described on http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/
    Pema Pera: and yes, time is central
    Pema Pera: essential
    stevenaia Michinaga: can you give us an example of your written moment Pema?
    Pema Pera: we haven’t talked much about that yet, but I expect we will
    Maxine Walden: an example of one of my notes might be ’seeing slate blue’
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks Maxine
    Pema Pera: for me, Steve, they come in many forms
    Pema Pera: very many, so any pick would be biased
    Pema Pera: a single impression, a single insight, or a tumble of ideas or just a sense of openness
    Pema Pera: and each one reflected in haiku/telegram style
    Solobill Laville: Mine too
    Maxine Walden: same here
    Solobill Laville: Since I strive for emptiness, my language reflects that
    Pema Pera: like “Bells from our street’s festival” or “everything so fragile, so rich” . . . . etc
    stevenaia Michinaga: sound perfect of a computer note log, since I live with my laptop
    Pema Pera: (I’m in Kyoto right now, and our neighborhood has its annual festival)
    Pema Pera: me too!
    Pema Pera: yes, I do it on my laptop
    Pema Pera: In fact, I have one larger slot for a paragraph for each hour
    Maxine Walden: yes as well
    Pema Pera: and then four one-liner slots for each quarter of an hour
    Maxine Walden: oh, that is interesting do you find your mind adhering to the space you give for each timeslot and then the hourly paragraph?
    Pema Pera: the hourly paragraph is separate, more a reflection on my life and what has been going on; more indirect, a part of my daily journal — in contrast the 9-sec openings are very direct and non-rational
    Maxine Walden: thanks, Pema

    Jack had disappeared, but was now back again.

    Pema Pera: Jack, sorry that your connection crashed.
    Pema Pera: Do you want to say something more?
    Jack Milgrom: Not your fault.
    Jack Milgrom: That’s okay, I lost my train of thought when I had to reboot.
    Pema Pera: I asked “That is an interesting idea — did you design that kind of exploration yourself, or did you read/hear it somewhere? ANd what happens when you do it?”
    Jack Milgrom: I developed it when I was in college. Whay happens in that I feel a sense of connectedness
    Jack Milgrom: I feel that nothing is too small or too big, but everything has place.
    Jack Milgrom: I find that very comforting.
    Pema Pera: That’s interesting, Jack!
    Pema Pera: Always a great idea to develop your own form of practice
    Pema Pera: and to explore that directly.
    Pema Pera: Well, I’m afraid I have to go now
    Pema Pera: have to take a train from Kyoto to Tokyo
    Maxine Walden: yes, me to. Nice conversation
    Pema Pera: but great seeing you all here!
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice to see you again, enjoy the festival
    Maxine Walden: bye all
    Pema Pera: thanks!
    Solobill Laville: Nice to meet you new folks
    Jack Milgrom: A pleasure to meet everyone.
    Pema Pera: y’all come back
    Pema Pera: and of course feel free to stay here
    Pema Pera: to continue talking !
    Pema Pera: we meet every day here
    Pema Pera: at 1 and 7 both am and pm
    Theophrastus Nikolaidis: at this time?
    Pema Pera: four times a day
    Pema Pera: it is now 8 am
    Pema Pera: SL time
    Pema Pera: we started an hour ago
    Theophrastus Nikolaidis: is there a group that I can join so I can get notices?
    Solobill Laville: 1, 7, 1, 7 - SLT
    Pema Pera: so you have four chances a day to drop by :>)
    Pema Pera: no group no notices
    Theophrastus Nikolaidis: no problem
    Pema Pera: just every day
    Pema Pera: 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm
    Pema Pera: and the blog http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/
    Pema Pera: has further information
    Pema Pera: including the location
    Theophrastus Nikolaidis: bookmarked it. thanks
    Pema Pera: but if you set a landmark here — right.
    Pema Pera: see you!

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