2008.05.26 01:00 - Touchstone Moments

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    That night Hotaru kept Pema company in the tea house at 1 am, usually the most quiet time in SL.  The comments are Pema's.

    Hotaru Myoo: Hi Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi Hotaru!
    Pema Pera: How are you?
    Hotaru Myoo: Braindead
    Hotaru Myoo: you?
    Pema Pera: well, busy, but what else is new :-)
    Hotaru Myoo: right
    Pema Pera: Have you been working too hard?
    Pema Pera: or on not so interesting projects?
    Hotaru Myoo: sorry about missing this mornings meeting
    Pema Pera: oh, no problem
    Hotaru Myoo: how was it?
    Hotaru Myoo: actually
    Hotaru Myoo: an aquaintance was here
    Hotaru Myoo: showshow
    Pema Pera: we’ll have to find a way to accomodate people’s needs
    Pema Pera: yes, he mentioned that
    Pema Pera: and conveyed your IMs to the group :)
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Pema Pera: it may be unrealistic to get 15 people together at the same time
    Pema Pera: or even half of those
    Pema Pera: we’ll have to see
    Pema Pera: email would be an alternative
    Hotaru Myoo: this time was an anomally for me
    Hotaru Myoo: normally… it should be a fit
    Pema Pera: and it was memorial day weekend

    We were talking about the weekly guardians’ meeting, the morning before.

    Hotaru Myoo: certainly easier for me than you
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Hotaru Myoo: talk about burning the candle
    Pema Pera: yeah, well, it is getting easier and easier
    Pema Pera: fortunately
    Hotaru Myoo: good
    Pema Pera: with our growing group of guardians!
    Hotaru Myoo: say..
    Hotaru Myoo: is there anything exceptional going on in Japan this weekend?
    Pema Pera: Not that I know of but I could easily have missed it
    Pema Pera: what did you think of?
    Hotaru Myoo: in what context?
    Hotaru Myoo checks her brain once again….may have left it at the door
    Pema Pera: anything exceptional going on in Japan this weekend
    Pema Pera: haha
    Hotaru Myoo: ah …parallel to Memorial Day here?
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Hotaru Myoo: I no there is nothing related
    Pema Pera: I don’t think so
    Hotaru Myoo: but…start of summer?
    Hotaru Myoo: seasonal celebration?
    Pema Pera: there are a number of Japanese holidays, but not right now
    Pema Pera: there was Golden week
    Pema Pera: a few weeks ago
    Hotaru Myoo: Golden week?
    Pema Pera: and then there are many many local festivals
    Pema Pera: yes, golden week is a period in which a number of holidays are linked together in almost a full week of holidays
    Hotaru Myoo: there is always something
    Pema Pera: the most crazy time to travel in Japan
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Pema Pera: a Google will tell you no doubt
    Hotaru Myoo: and you do daily commutes right?
    Pema Pera: I arrived at the tail end, fortunately
    Hotaru Myoo: nice
    Pema Pera: half the week Tokyo half the week Kyoto for now
    Hotaru Myoo: ah

    I was wondering about Hotaru being on line most of the time.

    Hotaru Myoo: I happened to be up…
    Hotaru Myoo: thought if I could just hold out until 1am sl
    Pema Pera: That’s nice, I appreciate it!
    Hotaru Myoo: have you tried to cultivate participants from East Asia?
    Pema Pera: how many hours a night do you sleep?
    Hotaru Myoo: any colleagues?
    Pema Pera: no
    Hotaru Myoo: 3
    Hotaru Myoo: and then I catch naps when possible
    Pema Pera: I have not cultivated much of anything :>) I just sit here, like a bartender, waiting for people to shouw up :>)
    Pema Pera: wow
    Hotaru Myoo: lol
    Pema Pera: those naps must be delightful I bet!
    Pema Pera: given the need
    Hotaru Myoo: better have the tea
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Hotaru Myoo: essential
    Hotaru Myoo: I have always been that way
    Hotaru Myoo: artist hours
    Hotaru Myoo: like PaB
    Hotaru Myoo: I exist in small bites
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pema Pera: like a fire fly
    Hotaru Myoo: exactly
    Pema Pera: so the 9-sec explorations are perfect for you then
    Hotaru Myoo: I feel like life is too short not to make the most of every minute
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Hotaru Myoo: lately…
    Hotaru Myoo: I have been exploring the emotional state that I find myself in at those touchstone moments

    Hotaru spoke about her work and her experiences with the Play as Being approach.

    Pema Pera: I’m all ears
    Pema Pera: though they are now hidden under my hair
    Hotaru Myoo: widely variable
    Hotaru Myoo: now that may have something to do with sl
    Hotaru Myoo: sl seems to have a characteristic of …
    Hotaru Myoo: well…
    Hotaru Myoo: let’s say…
    Hotaru Myoo: high intensity
    Pema Pera: yes!
    Hotaru Myoo: which carries over into rl
    Hotaru Myoo: I work with teenagers
    Hotaru Myoo: so there are some similarities in that too
    Pema Pera: I can imagine!
    Hotaru Myoo: that rhythm
    Hotaru Myoo: every moment is like their last one on earth
    Hotaru Myoo: somehow…in rl…I am the great leveler
    Hotaru Myoo: in rl…the interface is more immediate and direct
    Hotaru Myoo: and affectual
    Pema Pera: leveler like coming across to the kids?
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Pema Pera: and how does that compare iwth SL?
    Hotaru Myoo: I teach art/ethics/character
    Hotaru Myoo: and pluralism
    Hotaru Myoo: so I find that is my role
    Hotaru Myoo: to be even
    Hotaru Myoo: moderate
    Hotaru Myoo: so when I do the 15 min check
    Hotaru Myoo: I have been surprised by the stacatto nature of the emotive scale

    In walked Storm Ayres, a new visitor.

    Pema Pera: Hi Storm!
    Pema Pera: come join us
    Storm Ayres: hi
    Hotaru Myoo: Hi Storm
    Pema Pera: Welcome!
    Pema Pera: have you been here before?
    Storm Ayres: thx :-)
    Storm Ayres: no first time
    Hotaru Myoo: kewl
    Pema Pera: nice area here, isn’t it?
    Storm Ayres: yes
    Hotaru Myoo: very peaceful
    Pema Pera: we get together here with a small group of friends, a few times a day, quite often
    Hotaru Myoo: where are you from Storm?
    Pema Pera: every six hours
    Storm Ayres: belgium
    Storm Ayres: you??
    Hotaru Myoo: great!
    Hotaru Myoo: US
    Pema Pera: North or South?
    Hotaru Myoo: Chicago
    Storm Ayres: windy city
    Hotaru Myoo: Pema is from all over
    Hotaru Myoo: yaya
    Pema Pera: I’m from Holland originally
    Pema Pera: live in New York City
    Pema Pera: but now I am visiting Tokyo
    Storm Ayres: you know how to talk dutch??

    Turned out, we both did speak Dutch.

    Pema Pera: jazeker
    Pema Pera: jij ook?
    Storm Ayres: :-))
    Storm Ayres: ja ik ook
    Pema Pera: wat een kleine wereld
    Pema Pera: we spreken hier allerlei talen
    Pema Pera: Hotaru is goed in Italiaans
    Pema Pera: en ze leert nu ook Japans
    Storm Ayres: is dat zeker vooral in sl
    Pema Pera: ik ben in Utrecht geboren
    Pema Pera: in Groningen getogen
    Pema Pera: in Amsterdam mijn studie voltooid
    Storm Ayres: je hebt een beetje overal gezeten
    Pema Pera: Hotaru, somehow I would not be surprised if you would know Dutch too!
    Pema Pera: after Italian and Japanese
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Pema Pera: but I guess you didn’t want to show off, right?
    Hotaru Myoo: I got the ‘duh’ down
    Pema Pera: haha
    Storm Ayres: japanese is not easy to learn
    Pema Pera: it takes a while, yes
    Hotaru Myoo: it’s the kanji that gets me
    Hotaru Myoo: hiragana/katakana
    Hotaru Myoo: phoenetically I can manage
    Pema Pera: 漢字は難しい。。。
    Hotaru Myoo: it’s the 13000 charaters
    Pema Pera: kanji ha muzukashii . . .
    Pema Pera: kanji are difficult
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Hotaru Myoo: how long have you been working on it Pema?
    Pema Pera: oh, for a quarter only
    Pema Pera: a quarter century
    Hotaru Myoo: century?
    Hotaru Myoo: \haha
    Pema Pera: short in astronomical time scales
    Hotaru Myoo: haha

    We continued to interweave our various strands of text.

    Hotaru Myoo: So Storm
    Pema Pera: Ik ben sterrenkundige
    Hotaru Myoo: rather…Pema
    Hotaru Myoo: tell Storm what we are doing here
    Hotaru Myoo: or did you?
    Pema Pera: no
    Pema Pera: not
    Pema Pera: yet
    Pema Pera: but why don’t you summarize?
    Pema Pera: I love your new expression
    Pema Pera: what was it
    Hotaru Myoo: (it’s not baking cookies)
    Hotaru Myoo: what?
    Pema Pera: “I have been exploring the emotional state that I find myself in at those touchstone moments”
    Pema Pera: touchstone moments
    Pema Pera: very nice!
    Hotaru Myoo: ah yes
    Pema Pera: Had never thought about them in those terms yet
    Hotaru Myoo: well that is what they are
    Hotaru Myoo: Storm…
    Hotaru Myoo: what we do …
    Hotaru Myoo: this is something Pema cooked up … not cookies
    Pema Pera: haha!
    Hotaru Myoo: although cookis have entered into the conversations
    Storm Ayres: :-))
    Hotaru Myoo: as points of recall
    Hotaru Myoo: anyway …
    Hotaru Myoo: I digress
    Pema Pera: I’m getting hungry now . . . almost dinner time in Tokyo!

    Hotaru then summarized our PaB explorations.

    Hotaru Myoo: every 15 minutes…
    Hotaru Myoo: wait
    Hotaru Myoo: there is a name for this\
    Hotaru Myoo: Play as Being
    Hotaru Myoo: and the activity to stop for 9 seconds…every 15 minutes
    Hotaru Myoo: and reflect on your state of Being
    Hotaru Myoo: or just Being
    Hotaru Myoo: …short meditative moments
    Hotaru Myoo: of conscious awarness
    Hotaru Myoo: awareness
    Hotaru Myoo: a rather habituated activity
    Hotaru Myoo: that is experienced personally …
    Hotaru Myoo: and individually …
    Hotaru Myoo: idiosyncratically
    Hotaru Myoo: …then…
    Hotaru Myoo: we get together at 1am, 7an, 1pm, and 7pm sl
    Hotaru Myoo: to chat about whsat it is we are experiencing
    Hotaru Myoo: what*
    Hotaru Myoo: accumatively..
    Hotaru Myoo: sometimes
    Hotaru Myoo: philosophically
    Hotaru Myoo: other
    Hotaru Myoo: in various contexts
    Hotaru Myoo: depending on who is here
    Hotaru Myoo: the response is exponential
    Hotaru Myoo: chaotic
    Hotaru Myoo: complex
    Hotaru Myoo: nonlinear
    Hotaru Myoo: certainly not fixed
    Storm Ayres: is’t always the same people who’s here
    Hotaru Myoo: no
    Hotaru Myoo: widely variable
    Hotaru Myoo: its what makes it organic

    I added a bit of information.

    Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/ is the web site, where we collect many of the dialogues we have here — if you have a few minutes, some day, you can look and get an idea
    Hotaru Myoo: see…you are hear
    Hotaru Myoo: a wild card
    Pema Pera: haha
    Pema Pera: many people just walk by
    Hotaru Myoo: here? or hear?
    Hotaru Myoo: both!
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Hotaru Myoo: so…jump in anytime
    Pema Pera: much of the time we just have a good time chatting
    Pema Pera: probably 2/3 of the time
    Hotaru Myoo: about what’s for dinner
    Storm Ayres: i will jump in more often
    Pema Pera: and 1/3 of the time weg get a bit more serious
    Pema Pera: the nice thing is that our 9-seconds method takes very little time, and yet many of us have had quite profound experiences
    Pema Pera: perhaps because there are so little expectations :-)
    Hotaru Myoo: can you cite some examples for Storm, Pema?
    Pema Pera: oh, that is hard, on the spot . . . . .
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Pema Pera: . . . perhaps I should just talk for myself
    Hotaru Myoo: if anyone can handle it…
    Hotaru Myoo: you can…

    I started to give a bit of an impression of how the 9-sec explorations have unfolded for me.

    Pema Pera: I have had many brief moments in the middle of the day
    Pema Pera: when I stopped
    Storm Ayres: yes try it
    Pema Pera: in which I felt I had entered a dream realm
    Pema Pera: or fairy tale realm
    Hotaru Myoo: isn’t that a great analogy of sl?
    Pema Pera: or a way of knowing/being that I normally associate with much longer meditative or contemplative practices
    Hotaru Myoo: a concentrated experience
    Pema Pera: yes, the transition RL to/from SL is a great example of changes in awareness
    Hotaru Myoo: the synthesis is blurry
    Hotaru Myoo: I think that is why I am braindead
    Hotaru Myoo: a buzzing
    Hotaru Myoo: an emotive buzz
    Storm Ayres: this is new for me..so sorry if i not talk much
    Hotaru Myoo: no worries
    Hotaru Myoo: have we hooked you yet?
    Storm Ayres: i will learn know more
    Pema Pera: In de laatste twee maanden, sinds we begonnen zijn, hebben we zo’n hundred verschillende mensen hier gehad, de helft ervan komen af en toe terug, en een kwart komen regelmatig — er zijn nu weinig, omdat het nacht is in de VS.
    Pema Pera: sorry, Hotaru
    Hotaru Myoo: np

    We talked about language switching

    Pema Pera: just nice to speak my own tongue occasionally
    Pema Pera: very few chances normally
    Hotaru Myoo: yaya
    Storm Ayres: yes that’s tru
    Pema Pera: in RL and SL both :-)
    Pema Pera: sort of odd
    Pema Pera: having grown up in Holland till I was 28
    Pema Pera: and after that speaking my own language only about 2% of the time . . . . .
    Pema Pera: at most
    Pema Pera: making RL a type of virtual world all in itself for me
    Hotaru Myoo: that is a shape shifting experience
    Pema Pera: Of course, I can express myself quite well in English by now, but it is not the same as using the language you grew up in
    Hotaru Myoo: since you are comfortable in the abstract world…
    Hotaru Myoo: it probably is a fit that you find somewhat (oddly) comfortable
    Hotaru Myoo: Ayu is dealing with that now
    Pema Pera: oh yeah, I’m certainly comfortable . . . just odd, when I think about it :-)
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Hotaru Myoo: reflectively
    Pema Pera: Is Ayu not living in Japan?
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Hotaru Myoo: so he is close to his native tongue
    Hotaru Myoo: using it daily
    Hotaru Myoo: but anyone who shifts between languages must experience that sort of oddity
    Hotaru Myoo: exsistential oddity
    Pema Pera: that reminds me, I was very impressed with your Italian the other day!
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Pema Pera: How did you get so fluent?
    Hotaru Myoo: cheap trick
    Pema Pera: Babel?
    Hotaru Myoo: yup
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Pema Pera: well, it shows how limited my Italian is
    Hotaru Myoo: works so much better with the romantic languages
    Pema Pera: or otherwise I would have noticed the incongruencies of automatic translations
    Hotaru Myoo: very fluid

    I was curious to see how the Babelfish would handle Dutch, hadn’t tried that yet.

    Pema Pera: wanna try Dutch?
    Hotaru Myoo: k
    Hotaru Myoo: shoot
    Pema Pera: go ahead!
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pema Pera: Storm en ik zijn werkelijk heel benieuwd of je deze zin automatisch kunt vertalen
    Pema Pera: good luck!
    Hotaru Myoo: Ik dacht enkel waarom wij zo drwn aan dit proces… zijn
    Pema Pera: drwn?
    Pema Pera: drawn!
    Pema Pera: aha, that was not translated
    Hotaru Myoo: getrokken
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Pema Pera: you wondered why we were so drawn to this process, right
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Pema Pera: close enough!
    Pema Pera: better than the Japanese translations
    Pema Pera: I can only understand those because I can read the original
    Hotaru Myoo: oh goodness yes
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Pema Pera: but then again, the grammar is totally different
    Hotaru Myoo: there are some good Japanese translators
    Pema Pera: can you recommend one?
    Hotaru Myoo: I have to get the info and give it to you later
    Hotaru Myoo: yes…
    Pema Pera: I’d appreciate that very much!
    Hotaru Myoo: sure
    Hotaru Myoo: we’ll send you out to demo
    Hotaru Myoo: return with a consumer report

    It was time for me to turn back to RL.

    Pema Pera: Well, it’s dinner time now for me and interestingly I will meet a neighbor from here in Rieul for dinner in Ikebukuro
    Pema Pera: thanks!
    Pema Pera: First time I will meet him in RL
    Pema Pera: She has a plot around the corner
    Hotaru Myoo: awesome!
    Hotaru Myoo: so kewl
    Pema Pera: and we found out that we were both in Tokyo :-)
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Hotaru Myoo: well..
    Hotaru Myoo: lets hope we get the same opportunity
    Hotaru Myoo: there is a hairs breath between rl and sl
    Pema Pera: Well thanks for stoping by, Hotaru!
    Hotaru Myoo: thanks Pema!
    Pema Pera: Leuk je hier ontmoet te hebben Storm!
    Storm Ayres: ja jij ook
    Hotaru Myoo: Good to meet you Storm
    Pema Pera: je ziet, ik moet even op gang komen om weer echt natuurlijk nederlands te spreken
    Storm Ayres: same here hotaru
    Storm Ayres: :-)
    Hotaru Myoo: Thanks Pema for the experience…as always
    Pema Pera: nog een plezierige dag verder!
    Storm Ayres: ja jij ook thx
    Pema Pera: well, off to a beer in RL!

    I was trying to remember whether I had met others in RL whom I had met first in SL.

    Pema Pera: I wonder, come to think of it . . . .
    Hotaru Myoo: Vaarwel u twee! Heb een grote dag/middagnacht
    Pema Pera: . . . this may be the first time I am meeting someone in RL
    Storm Ayres: :-) dank je hotaru
    Pema Pera: whom I have first met in SL . . . .
    Hotaru Myoo: kewl
    Hotaru Myoo: bring it back with you!
    Pema Pera: you know,
    Pema Pera: the fact that I am not even sure of that
    Pema Pera: shows how little difference there is in my memory between SL and RL
    Hotaru Myoo: says something significant
    Pema Pera: isn’t that interesting in itself?
    Hotaru Myoo: yes indeed
    Pema Pera: AH!
    Hotaru Myoo: woot
    Pema Pera: the second time
    Hotaru Myoo: ahhh…
    Pema Pera: I met someone in RL after she did an SL interview with me
    Pema Pera: a few months ago already
    Pema Pera: let me find the URL
    Pema Pera: http://www.ugotrade.com/2008/01/15/exploring-reality-in-virtual-worlds-with-piet-hut/
    Hotaru Myoo: nice…thank you Pema
    Pema Pera: ancient, more than four months ago
    Pema Pera: one and a half eternities in SL
    Hotaru Myoo: ancient for sl …that’s for sure
    Hotaru Myoo: hehe

    I noticed from Storm’s profile that she had been around for quite a while.

    Pema Pera: You’ve been in SL for a long time already, Storm, you are our older sister here — 2006 !!
    Hotaru Myoo: thanks again for a great session!
    Storm Ayres: he he lol
    Hotaru Myoo: Wow!
    Pema Pera: okay, tot ziens, c u !
    Storm Ayres: doei
    Hotaru Myoo: adios
    Pema Pera: ach, doei, wat schattig!
    Storm Ayres: gtg too
    Pema Pera: doei :-)
    Storm Ayres: :-))

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