2014.03.02 07:00 - Twisted Gadgetry

The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.

Eliza Madrigal: 's current display-name is "Eliza".
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Morning Bleu :))
Bleu Oleander: very green today :)
Eliza Madrigal: really love the combinations with your outfit this morning...
Bleu Oleander: oh ty!
Bleu Oleander: new skin :)
Eliza Madrigal: contrasts
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: black and white seems classic
Eliza Madrigal: in RL that's almost all I wear
Bleu Oleander: every once and a while need a break from color
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Bleu Oleander: in life and art :)
Bleu Oleander: what's on your mind this morning?
Eliza Madrigal: relationships
Bleu Oleander: oh cool
Bleu Oleander: I just finished an excellent book about relationships
Eliza Madrigal: timely! :)
Eliza Madrigal listens
Bleu Oleander: "Harvard Square"
Bleu Oleander: by Andre Aciman
Bleu Oleander: he's a wonderful writer
Eliza Madrigal: I was thinking a lot about 'partings'... you know, a writer parts with the audience too... either leaves them with something or leaves them hanging
Eliza Madrigal: what did Aciman leave you? :)
Bleu Oleander: left me devastated in a way
Eliza Madrigal: really? leans in...
Bleu Oleander: having withdrawal :)
Eliza Madrigal: hm... yes that happens
Bleu Oleander: about a Harvard grad student, from Egypt, who meets an Arab taxi driver and establishes a very close friendship
Bleu Oleander: so about class, race, social divisions
Bleu Oleander: privilege
Bleu Oleander: so instense
Bleu Oleander: about immigration
Bleu Oleander: opportunity
Eliza Madrigal: stark differences
Bleu Oleander: life in America
Eliza Madrigal nods...
Bleu Oleander: interesting BloggingHeads today also:

Bleu Oleander: http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/25262

Bleu Oleander: hey Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: G'day folks
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth wonders if Liz is feeling ill
Bleu Oleander: for later :)
Agatha Macbeth: You look strangely green
Eliza Madrigal: thoughtful...
Eliza Madrigal clicks and saves, ty bleu
Bleu Oleander: yw!
Agatha Macbeth: Green and thoughtful...right
Eliza Madrigal smiles... well, today is "Losar"
Agatha Macbeth: And why not
Eliza Madrigal: Tibetan New Year
Eliza Madrigal: so I thought I'd connect with my inner Tara today
Agatha Macbeth: Ahh, that explains it :p
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: I s she green then?
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes :)
Bleu Oleander: keep it on for St. Patricks too :)
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: Oh wait, I remember seeing over the door of the art museum
Eliza Madrigal: I have labeled this avatar "elphaba tara" in inventory
Eliza Madrigal: so she is a combination of Elphaba from Wicked, and Green Tara :)
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Something to do with vegetation?
Eliza Madrigal: can have
Agatha Macbeth: Makes me think of the Green Man
Eliza Madrigal: wiki: Tara is a tantric meditation deity whose practice is used by practitioners of the Tibetan branch of Vajrayana Buddhism to develop certain inner qualities and understand outer, inner and secret teachings about compassion and emptiness.
Eliza Madrigal: so represents "qualities"
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Bleu Oleander: does this relate back to relationships?
Eliza Madrigal nods...
Eliza Madrigal: and class, I guess, too
Agatha Macbeth: I know Tara was the place where the kings of Ireland used to hang out
Bleu Oleander: why would teachings about compassion be "secret"?
Eliza Madrigal: self secret really... secret like koans that have many levels of meanings
Eliza Madrigal: and come clear at various times in different ways
Bleu Oleander: maybe "unrealized" would be better term?
Agatha Macbeth: Realise your secrets...like that
Eliza Madrigal: well, both are fine to me... I saw The Invisible Woman a few nights ago
Eliza Madrigal: and one of the major strings in the film
Eliza Madrigal: was "knowing"
Agatha Macbeth: I knew her brother
Eliza Madrigal: and aloneness
Bleu Oleander: secrets are things that are kept from others rather than shared
Eliza Madrigal: and how secrets are often what helps us let others into our private worlds... something like that
Bleu Oleander: shared one person at a time :)
Eliza Madrigal: somethings are all out there but still secret
Agatha Macbeth: Like the CIA
Eliza Madrigal: if one doesn't have the experience to comprehend
Eliza Madrigal: lol Aggers
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: "the greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return"
Agatha Macbeth knows that song
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes it is harder to know 'one person' than a whole lot
Eliza Madrigal: or, for me maybe
Agatha Macbeth: True indeed
Agatha Macbeth: No not just you :p
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: >whew<
Eliza Madrigal: can you say more about the book, Bleu?
Bleu Oleander: so yes, it is about relationships
Agatha Macbeth: ooh, complicated
Bleu Oleander: about becoming each other in a way
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good!
Bleu Oleander: versions of ourselves
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Eliza Madrigal: relate - tionship
Bleu Oleander: ways of being human
Agatha Macbeth needs to work on that
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Bleu Oleander: an interesting term "nectarized"
Eliza Madrigal: oooh
Bleu Oleander: people were being "nectarized"
Bleu Oleander: sweet without kindness
Agatha Macbeth: Beehive yourself
Bleu Oleander: engineered, like nectarines
Eliza Madrigal: intriguing... my first thought at the new word was a shared blissfulness
Bleu Oleander: it was also about place
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, now nectar immediately made me think of bees, not fruit...interesting
Bleu Oleander: about looking for one's past in one's present
Eliza Madrigal: that hits the spot of where I'm today hmm
Bleu Oleander: he used the term "ersatz"
Eliza Madrigal: debates with loved ones about how much 'past' to leave there
Agatha Macbeth: How so Liz?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Bleu Oleander: fake, poor substitute
Agatha Macbeth: Heath Robinson
Eliza Madrigal: ....hums Substitute for Love....
Agatha Macbeth: Love that album
Eliza Madrigal: not closing off the past while not identifying with it so much either, seems the right balance
Eliza Madrigal: like, just practically...
Bleu Oleander: hard to balance
Agatha Macbeth: Agreed, if you can manage it
Eliza Madrigal: I don't think the status of my great great great grandparents means anything
Agatha Macbeth: Not any more :p
Eliza Madrigal: and yet, maybe genetically it affects health in the future, to know that
Bleu Oleander: at least consciously
Eliza Madrigal: it does mean a lot to a lot of people
Agatha Macbeth nods
Eliza Madrigal: so one way people are divided is 'loyalties'
Bleu Oleander: we're really clueless when it comes to what influences our present
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: the balance perhaps, has to do with spontaneous responsiveness
Eliza Madrigal: if something comes up into the present naturally...
Eliza Madrigal: not suppressing, not obsessing
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes the future invades the present that way too :)
Agatha Macbeth: If they truly exist that is
Eliza Madrigal: we can't even be in the present, for that matter :)
Agatha Macbeth: Not according to Ouspensky, no :p
Eliza Madrigal: or current science ...
Bleu Oleander: we exist in the past in a way
Eliza Madrigal: on a delay
Bleu Oleander: our conscious self anyway
Eliza Madrigal: like watching the stars
Agatha Macbeth: Makes me thing of your shopping list dream Liz
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Agatha Macbeth: think*
Eliza Madrigal: Oh?
Eliza Madrigal: hm... yes
Eliza Madrigal: see that
Agatha Macbeth: About things happening 'out of order'
Eliza Madrigal: indeed
Eliza Madrigal: that's the premise of ideas about buddha nature too.. that we're realized and finished and are just unpacking... remembering
Eliza Madrigal: not linear
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: I don't so much about Buddha <grin>
Bleu Oleander: don't think of myself as realized and finished
Agatha Macbeth: I hear capra's Tao of Physics is quite good, keep meaning to look at that
Eliza Madrigal: I think of it more like layers of conscioiusness/dimensions of being
Bleu Oleander: interesting line from the book:
Bleu Oleander: "everything about us was transient and provisional, as if history wasn't done experiementing on us and couldn't decide what to do next."
Eliza Madrigal: hahah, love that
Bleu Oleander: me too
Agatha Macbeth: Think that's the way it has to be
Eliza Madrigal: I've heard some say, when talking about "universe as simulation" that child hacker got bored and walked away, leaving the whole thing running
Bleu Oleander: LOL
Agatha Macbeth: Once we're 'finished' where do we go next?
Eliza Madrigal: do we go anywhere in the first place
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Bleu Oleander: we are "here" whatever that means LOL
Agatha Macbeth: Evolving standing still
Eliza Madrigal: for certain values of "here" (channels Wol)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Bleu Oleander: :)
Agatha Macbeth: We're here because we're here because we're here because we're here
Eliza Madrigal: ...well that's the way I always heard it should be, la la la la....
Bleu Oleander: :)
Agatha Macbeth: La la
Agatha Macbeth: Rhubarb rhubarb
Eliza Madrigal: sing....sing a song...
Eliza Madrigal: watermelon watermelon...
Eliza Madrigal: I really want to read that book now Bleu, but I have just started with Goldfinch finally
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Eliza Madrigal: after a mindless detour
Bleu Oleander: a bit similar in a way
Eliza Madrigal: hm
Bleu Oleander: but much shorter
Bleu Oleander: about relationships too
Agatha Macbeth: Size is not important
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
Eliza Madrigal: its the journey not the destination :P
Agatha Macbeth: Absolutely
Eliza Madrigal: let me send guardian notice..
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Bleu Oleander: good idea :)
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: another phrase from the book: "hidden mainsprings in the twisted gadgetry of the soul"
Agatha Macbeth: Who's Elphaba anyway?
Eliza Madrigal: what a strange line
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: From "Wicked" musical, Aggers.. based on a book where the Wicked Witch of the West is actually the (anti)hero
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, right
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful musical... have seen 3 times and taken kids twice
Bleu Oleander: never saw that
Agatha Macbeth: Ding dong the witch isn't dead
Eliza Madrigal: the music gives an impression... marvelous production...
Eliza Madrigal: twisted gadgetry...hm
Bleu Oleander: still pondering that line
Eliza Madrigal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MslDnwerQRA
Bleu Oleander: not unlike "secrets"
Eliza Madrigal: oooh
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: not the best clip... but a song from the musical nonetheless
Bleu Oleander: what did you like best about the musical?
Eliza Madrigal: the character of elphaba... feeling misunderstood :)
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Bleu Oleander: did it have a message you liked?
Eliza Madrigal: so many... and messages I liked my kids to hear
Agatha Macbeth: 'It's because I'm green isn';t it?'
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: exactly
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Eliza Madrigal: I met another green girl in SL... a year or so after making this avie
Eliza Madrigal: same inspiration...
Eliza Madrigal: but she stays green all the time :)
Agatha Macbeth: Green goddess
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: richness of symbolism
Eliza Madrigal: the musical is about friendship primarily
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good
Eliza Madrigal: between wicked witch and glinda
Eliza Madrigal: gives backstory
Bleu Oleander: so what is the symbolism of being green? (haven't had my second cup of coffee yet .. still sleepy)
Eliza Madrigal: in the musical she was poisoned.. but also that poison gave her insight
Eliza Madrigal: something like that
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: somehow Kermit comes to mind
Agatha Macbeth: Bit like Eve then
Agatha Macbeth: Ahh Kermit
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Remember him well
Bleu Oleander: odd, poison would give insight ... probably didn't kill her then?
Agatha Macbeth: What doesn't kill you makes you stronger as they say
Bleu Oleander: LOL
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: yes... was given to her mother so was born unusual
Agatha Macbeth: Mauny of us are :p
Eliza Madrigal: and she doesn't believe she can have the relationship she wants because of her weirdness
Agatha Macbeth: Awwww
Eliza Madrigal: thinks he will want to be with the normal glamor girl...
Eliza Madrigal: glinda :)
Bleu Oleander: so about accepting the weirdness within ourselves and others?
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, define 'normal'? ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: YES Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: have to make way to session...see you soon
Bleu Oleander: ok thanks for coming
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now Bleuji
Bleu Oleander: bye for now
Agatha Macbeth: Love to the doggies</grin>