2014.03.03 13:00 - Everything is Flowing

The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: Hello, Bruce :)
Eliza Madrigal: an Blub and Blubson...
Bruce Mowbray: Should we move closer to your singing bowl?
Eliza Madrigal: Oh... didn't realize I'd left it here again
Bruce Mowbray: I've done that a few times myself.
Bruce Mowbray: Fish, etc.
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Cat!
Eliza Madrigal: I guess we feel at home
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cat :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Bruce and Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: ntsy

--BELL--

Catrinamonblue Resident: :) nice to be here
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Bleu!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: hiya all :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Bleu

Eliza Madrigal: I fell asleep for a small nap after bringing my son home from school, and dreamed that I missed my session
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Eliza Madrigal: woke a few minutes ago :)
Bleu Oleander: refreshed?
Bruce Mowbray: Whew! and we are GLAD that you did!
Eliza Madrigal: so far I'm on the boundary
Bruce Mowbray: edges are interesting.....
Eliza Madrigal: agreed!
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)

Eliza Madrigal: :) what shall we discuss today ?
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: distraction?
Bruce Mowbray: hmmmm..... I was thinking "Oscars," but then realized that most folks have not yet seen the movies that won....
Bleu Oleander: interesting article you posted on tech distractions
Bruce Mowbray: Yes! I read that one too.
Bruce Mowbray: Atlantic Monthly.
Bruce Mowbray: Do we need a link?
Eliza Madrigal: this one was new republic...
Eliza Madrigal: let me get that...
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh!
Eliza Madrigal: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...fulness-racket


Excerpt for the tl;dr crowd:
"In other words, why we disconnect matters: We can continue in today’s mode of treating disconnection as a way to recharge and regain productivity, or we can view it as a way to sabotage the addiction tactics of the acceleration-distraction complex that is Silicon Valley. The former approach is reactionary but the latter can lead to emancipation, especially if such acts of refusal give rise to genuine social movements that will make problems of time and attention part of their political agendas—and not just the subject of hand-wringing by the Davos-based spirituality brigades. Hopefully, these movements will then articulate alternative practices, institutions, and designs. If it takes an act of unplugging to figure out how to do it, let’s disconnect indeed. But let us not do it for the sake of reconnecting on the very same terms as before. We must be mindful of all this mindfulness."

Bruce Mowbray: New Republic.
Bruce Mowbray: ty!

Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Zen.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Bleu Oleander: noticing how social media intentionally distracts with links all the time and everywhere
Bleu Oleander: hiya Zen
Bruce Mowbray: Whoa! I've not yet read this article.
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Zen :)
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Eliza.
Zen Arado: Hi all
Eliza Madrigal: I've seen most of the big Oscar films Bruce... but probably not others :)
Zen Arado: haven't seen any :(
Eliza Madrigal: Most welcome.... as I wrote in FB it seems to be to be "spiritual materialism" that is being discussed
Eliza Madrigal: still no "her" zen?
Bruce Mowbray: I've only seen "her" "Gravity" and "Dallas Buyers Club."
Catrinamonblue Resident: I saw Frozen :) liked it but felt some of the musical numbers stalled the story line
Zen Arado: it was on last week but too far away for me
Bleu Oleander: what does that mean, spiritual materialism?
Bruce Mowbray: you mean "froze" the story line? ha ha!
Eliza Madrigal: spiritual materialism is how trungpa described a tendency to make a thing out of spiritual practice
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: "Spiritual Materialism" is a coinage of Trungpa... when he was at Boulder.
Bruce Mowbray: (Naropa.)

Eliza Madrigal: so, for instance like the article mentioned all the yoga accoutrements as a way to make yoga a consumer trend
Bleu Oleander: a "craving" of sorts of spiritual practice?
Eliza Madrigal: yes, exactly
Eliza Madrigal: so now a lot of furniture stores are all full of buddhas 
Eliza Madrigal: which is 'fine'
Bruce Mowbray: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_materialism
Eliza Madrigal: but... it should be something people watch out for with themselves..
Eliza Madrigal: simply trading one 'sold' trend for another

Eliza Madrigal: in a way, it has a lot to do with your questions from "Her" Bleu
Bleu Oleander: which question?
Eliza Madrigal: about, are we going to fall in love with OSs and marketed things
Bruce Mowbray: "Materialism" - by definition - is a world-view that regards everything as reducible to the material realm. . .
Bruce Mowbray: including Buddhas.
Eliza Madrigal nods, thanks Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: (I guess.)
Bruce Mowbray: yw.
Catrinamonblue Resident: consumerism for the seekers
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh!
Eliza Madrigal: well like I asked jokingly on FB last week whether my dressing in yoga clothes was going to help me get in shape while I take a nap
Eliza Madrigal: ^.^
Bruce Mowbray ponders "falling in love with OS's..."

Accumulations...

Zen Arado: treating spiritual progress the same as material success I thought
Eliza Madrigal nods
Bruce Mowbray: and remembers "her" -- which his typist LOVED!
Zen Arado: something to be attained
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Bruce Mowbray: :))
Eliza Madrigal: so that's the nutshell

Zen Arado: that's what annoys me about mindfulness meditation lately
Zen Arado: friends treat it as a psychological technique to cope with depression etc

Bruce Mowbray: Sometimes people need to know the fastest way to get from Point A to Point B, but in meditation we go from Point A to Point A. We stay where we are, over and over. We're always beginners — no starting practice, no advanced practice — just practice. If we practice in this way - without any 'gaining' idea - our practice takes care of itself. We're always here.
-- Seth Segall's blog http://www.existentialbuddhist.com/

Bleu Oleander: seems more like a craving
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes Bleu like we are lost and not sure what it is that has been lost....
Bruce Mowbray: Excellent point, Cat!

Zen Arado: but isn't it a tendency of humans to reduce everything to formulas and strategies?
Eliza Madrigal: I mostly see it as missing the point... like, the article talks about packaged food
Bruce Mowbray: or, perhaps, lonely, and not sure what we're lonely for....
Eliza Madrigal: which basically removes the nutrition for the sake of convenience, to be filled up
Bleu Oleander: commercialized
Eliza Madrigal nods
Bruce Mowbray: (looks forward to reading that article - from the New Republic.)
Eliza Madrigal: generalized loneliness... hm, yes
Catrinamonblue Resident: even in a crowd we can be lonely
Eliza Madrigal: definitely
Zen Arado: there is an idea that if only you find the right guru, the right technique, you will find some kind of nirvana and be happy forevermore
Bruce Mowbray ponders Theodore Dreiser's "The Lonely Crowd"
Catrinamonblue Resident: happiness is found every day in the small moments...

Bleu Oleander: do you all feel lonely?
Eliza Madrigal: I think that's why the wiser teachers don't allow a student to cling to them really

Zen Arado: I rarely feel lonely

Catrinamonblue Resident: sometimes I do... but not so much anymore ;)

Bruce Mowbray ponders inner-directed, outer-directed, and tradition-directed people (from Dreiser.)
Zen Arado: it is just thoughts I think

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: 5 minutes, Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: sure :)
Bruce Mowbray: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lonely_Crowd
Bruce Mowbray: My typist never feels lonely.
Bruce Mowbray: but sometimes I do.
Bruce Mowbray: (so, five minutes it is.)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: ty!

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :)
Wol Euler: _/|\_
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Wol Euler: greetings and salutations, pabonauts
Wol Euler: sorry I'm late
Catrinamonblue Resident: HI Wol :)
Bruce Mowbray: I find it truly fascinating that just three and a half extra minutes can become so precious.

Eliza Madrigal: I rarely feel lonely in a miserable way...and actually I feel most connected in a state of shared loneliness with someone
Bleu Oleander: hi Wol
Bruce Mowbray listens to Liz.
Eliza Madrigal: just answering Bleu's question
Eliza Madrigal: please go on, Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: No, that was it.
Zen Arado: Hi Wol
Wol Euler listens.
Bleu Oleander: shared loneliness is an interesting concept :)

Bruce Mowbray: Just recognizing the preciousness of each moment.
Bruce Mowbray: because of your extended dropsa.
Bruce Mowbray: your* drops*

Eliza Madrigal: :) some mutual recognition of longing

Eliza Madrigal: dropsa sounds like an obscure tibetan word :P
Bruce Mowbray: Ha ha!
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps Tibetan.
Bruce Mowbray: alas.

Eliza Madrigal: Do you ever feel lonely Bleu? Wol?
Wol Euler: I'm not sure :)

Bleu Oleander: no not really

Wol Euler: very seldom, I think, but I'm considering how you are using the word
Wol Euler: on the whole I'm comfortable and content with my own company

Bleu Oleander: me too :)
Eliza Madrigal nods... yes it is a strange thing to answer

Bruce Mowbray: Is it possible to feel "lonely" for some very specific thing -- but not to feel lonely in general?
Wol Euler: hello aggers
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, aggers!
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Aggers :)
Eliza Madrigal: Eos uses a term "nostalgia for the present"
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Fc!
Agatha Macbeth: Evenin all
Wol Euler: hello fc!
Catrinamonblue Resident: HI FC :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aggers, FC
FcSeeker Resident: Hello all *
Zen Arado: Hi Aggers, Fc
Wol Euler: oh, interesting phrase

Eliza Madrigal: I think that comes closest to what I hear when I hear loneliness... it is almost an aesthetic
Eliza Madrigal: like, I have a friend who has been sending amazing photos from Montana
Eliza Madrigal: vast, empty, snow... amazing

Wol Euler: I think there may be an overlap between loneliness and boredom
Bleu Oleander: hi Aggers, Fc
Eliza Madrigal: so shared loneliness might appreciating the heck out of that with someone(s) :))
Wol Euler: one isn't lonely when alone if one is fully occupied
Eliza Madrigal: hmm

Catrinamonblue Resident: loneliness for me was more a feeling of unacknowledged....
Eliza Madrigal: ah!
Catrinamonblue Resident: pain not known
Wol Euler listens.
Bruce Mowbray: Well, my typist walked across Montana, and the LAST thing he felt there was loneliness!
FcSeeker Resident: (familiar feeling)
Eliza Madrigal: invisibleness?
Bruce Mowbray: VASTNESS!
Wol Euler: so loneliness requires others, a particular relationship to them ...
Catrinamonblue Resident: not invisible but just not acknowledged
Wol Euler: or lack of one
FcSeeker Resident: (felt that specially in Stockholm)
Bruce Mowbray: and union with the marvelous environment.
Agatha Macbeth: Good exercise too

Zen Arado: I find it has to be generated by thoughts...poor me all alone on a Saturday night and everyone else is out having fun....kind of thoughts

Bleu Oleander: I think of it as a kind of sadness due to no company

Agatha Macbeth: Fun is in the eye of the beholder Zenny
Eliza Madrigal: I call that "restlessness" Zen
FcSeeker Resident: well; didn't speak Swedish those times much, and Finnish people was not yet liked in Sweden as they are today
Zen Arado: it is a feeling of separation ?
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Zen Arado: therefore from the ego?
Bruce Mowbray relates to what Zen has said about lonely thoghts.... from decades ago, but feels emancipated from those thoughts now.
FcSeeker Resident: and I was 14 years 'old'
FcSeeker Resident: to me it was just reality
Bruce Mowbray: 14 is a VERY rough time, Fc.
Bruce Mowbray: (for most folks).
Eliza Madrigal: oooh yes, that's a stark feeling I think... when not heard due to language gaps
FcSeeker Resident: no friends, nobody else knew me but my sis to whom I was the babysitter

Catrinamonblue Resident: for myself I felt most lonley when the pain I was in was not ackowledged by one who I felt should know... pain that was being caused by that one.... and yet it was never acknowledged and so I felt lonely and alone.... with no help or support.....

Bruce Mowbray: 5-minute drop coming up?

FcSeeker Resident: ah; more rough it was to serve my sister....doing all housework and so....so I was quite lonely there too
Eliza Madrigal: must be why when people are in a foreign land and they come across someone from home there is a kind of desperation and relief :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Bruce... yes 5 minute pause upcoming

--BELL--

Zen Arado: foreign countruies ansd cities especially are loneliness inducing
Eliza Madrigal: the floating hearts are so calming during the pause :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
Bleu Oleander: distracting for me :)
Agatha Macbeth: Have a heart
Bruce Mowbray: I agree, Elza.
Zen Arado: not being able to communicate creates loneliness
Zen Arado: ?
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh a prim
Bruce Mowbray: !!
Zen Arado: everyone else on a different wavelength

Agatha Macbeth: Can you guess what it is yet? :p
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Bruce Mowbray: a lake?

Wol Euler: I was thinking about loneliness in foreign places, and concluded that I don't feel it there (or haven't yet). I feel lonely not in places where I can't communicate, but in places where I *could* but can't find anybody to talk to. I was far lonelier in Newcastle on Tyne than in Kyoto.

Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
Agatha Macbeth: Understandable that
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Zen Arado: remember feeling lonely in Sydney
Wol Euler nods.
Bleu Oleander agrees with Wol :)
Bruce Mowbray also nods.
Zen Arado: big cities are lonely

Eliza Madrigal reads back... just wanted to share Montana :)
Zen Arado: why is that?
Agatha Macbeth: Where the river bends
Bleu Oleander: I find just the opposite Zen ... I never felt lonely living in NYC
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps that's because we arrive in those cities with some expectations that really are not realistic.
Bruce Mowbray: I also never felt lonely in NYC.
Wol Euler: very likely :)
Bruce Mowbray: or any other city, actually.

Catrinamonblue Resident: I said above that my deepest moments of loneliness were when I felt I was not acknowledged by those who said they loved me......
Zen Arado: but you had friends there?
Eliza Madrigal: that agrees with what Cat said actually, re Kyoto Wol
Bruce Mowbray listens......

Bleu Oleander: hi Qt
Qt Core: Hi all
Zen Arado: Hi Qt
FcSeeker Resident: Hi Qt
Wol Euler: hello qt

Catrinamonblue Resident: lonliness for me is not about being alone but about not being heard
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: yes... sharing company is about acknowledgement... even just in curiosity not necessarily understanding?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt :)
Wol Euler: yes, true
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Qt!
Agatha Macbeth: Sera QT
Zen Arado: yes more about non communication
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes!!
Eliza Madrigal: I didn't feel lonely in Kyoto either.. but Tokyo felt different



Bruce Mowbray: This photo is amazing. Where is it, aggers?
Agatha Macbeth: No idea :p
Agatha Macbeth: Rutland?
Eliza Madrigal: Montana :) this is my friend's photo... had asked if okay to share
Bruce Mowbray: hmmm. I thought you put it up there...
Bruce Mowbray: sry.
Bleu Oleander: just proximity to another makes me feel less lonely ... the possibility of relationships
Zen Arado: I find I am less lonely than when I was younger

FcSeeker Resident: (keeps silence often also cuz don't what's spoken, and drops out from conversation for that, but never still felt lonelyness for that)
Wol Euler smiles.
Bruce Mowbray: OH!
Agatha Macbeth pokes Brucie
Bruce Mowbray: Eliza!
Bruce Mowbray: kk.
Zen Arado: though I had far more friends when young
Eliza Madrigal: I like that... just the possibility :)
Bruce Mowbray: feels tickled by aggers' poke.

Eliza Madrigal: well one question is, does our tech 'support us' ?
Eliza Madrigal: help us feel supported?
Bleu Oleander: can
Bruce Mowbray: That is a question asked by the movie "her," Eliza -- and one well worth asking.
Zen Arado: maybe it depends how you think about that
Bleu Oleander: depends on how you use it I guess
Zen Arado: if you think it is a poor substitute for human contact it will be?
Wol Euler nods.
Zen Arado: 'Her'
Eliza Madrigal: for me it happens over time... that I move my investments in tiny ways and then don't realize it has been too much for a while
Zen Arado: hmm
Wol Euler: yes, there's a sttrong element of self-fulfililng prophecy in it
Bleu Oleander: often a phone call has stood in for lack of physical presence with someone
Eliza Madrigal nods
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes

Catrinamonblue Resident: but the movie her askes can tech stand in for that voice on the other end of the line
Bleu Oleander: could for some
Bruce Mowbray: another 5-minute drop coming up.... in a few secs.
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Bruce, yes :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: maybe it can if we "believe in it"
Bruce Mowbray: (am I getting obsessive?)
Zen Arado: if you ring Samaritans it is just a voice on a phone
Bruce Mowbray: (It feels like it.)
Eliza Madrigal: lol Bruce... you? :))

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: no, thank you!
Bruce Mowbray: [13:44] Catrinamonblue: but the movie her asks "Can tech stand in for that voice on the other end of the line?" --- and I think the movie answers that question "Yes, it can!" - in my interpretation of it.) --- but the OS "her") also has needs of its own, which the human cannot fulfill. Then what?
Wol Euler: _/|\_
 

Relating to Drops...

Bleu Oleander: an aside - I find I don't relate to referring to the pauses or moments of silence as "drops" ... feels more like spiritual materialism spoken of earlier, a kind of PaB slang to me, not sure what others think?

Bruce Mowbray: fascinating, Bleu. Ponders the verbage of "drops."
Eliza Madrigal: interesting question... that's part of that article actually... about packaging tech drops
Bleu Oleander: just a feeling :)
Zen Arado: yeh feel uneasy about it too
Eliza Madrigal: but... for me the word "drop" conjures all kinds of wonderfulness so.. I don't mind it
Bruce Mowbray: Your feeling is keen, Bleu.
Bruce Mowbray: and also, Zen.
Bleu Oleander: so we all respond differently to words based on our own experience of using them
Eliza Madrigal: there are yummy teachings about 'heart drop essence' so...the word feels blissful to me :)
Eliza Madrigal: indeed so

Zen Arado: you see to me meditation is an exploration..an opening up to see what is there
Zen Arado: not a problems fixer
Bruce Mowbray: "drop" = "meditation" ?????

Bleu Oleander: it structures the time in an odd way for me

Catrinamonblue Resident: I have alwasy just enjoyed the pause to stop and think about what has been said and integrate it into my own thoughts :) not so much a drop as a look inward :)

Bleu Oleander: pause is more open
Eliza Madrigal: thanks... yes I can feel that too
Bleu Oleander: allowing more freedom of experience for me

Wol Euler: the "letting go" aspect of "dropping" seems appropriate to me, it fits wiith what I feel happening when I actually do the pauses

Eliza Madrigal: just like linking it to meditation can feel oppressive to someone not interested in meditation per se
Bleu Oleander: yes
Qt Core: but something that you let go can fly away and not fell down ;-)
Zen Arado: or with lots of preconceptions about it

Bleu Oleander: one can pause and notice without dropping
Bruce Mowbray repeats to himself: "let it go" "Let it go" "Let it go...."
Catrinamonblue Resident: lol
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Eliza Madrigal smiles

Zen Arado: a careworker asked me to meditate for her so she can win at Bingo on Sat :)
Bruce Mowbray: Let go of the letting go, even. alas.
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Bruce Mowbray: OMG, Zen!!!!
Eliza Madrigal nods.... I think I have a tendency to search out and hook on to something of personal significance.. with almost every word that could be used
Zen Arado: so she has some conception that it is like prayer
Bruce Mowbray: magical prayer, indeed.
Bruce Mowbray: !
Bruce Mowbray: !
Bruce Mowbray: !
Eliza Madrigal smiles at Zen
FcSeeker Resident: (read the word long time as 'drop of water' :)
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh... WONDERFUL, Fc.
Eliza Madrigal: nice....yes

Bleu Oleander: I think that's true for every word for everyone actually ... words are interpreted as they have personal significance
Zen Arado: yes Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: and Eos comes up again because I can still see him at Windhorse with his "drop" t-shirt on :))
Bleu Oleander: which can be positive or negative
Bruce Mowbray ponders the watercourse way.... (Alan Watts).
FcSeeker Resident: (loves water)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: and drops of water....
Zen Arado: yet we think they are stand alone concrete reality
Bruce Mowbray makes note to design a "DROP!" t-shirt.

Eliza Madrigal: our individuality gives us both loneliness and connection
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
Eliza Madrigal: sides of ego, in a way
Bruce Mowbray: To be an "individual" is by definition "separation."
Bruce Mowbray: and perhaps "loneliness" then?
FcSeeker Resident: ...thinks that people are alone only when needs to make a choice....
Zen Arado: unique is better
Zen Arado: like each snow flake
Eliza Madrigal: when our differences come forward I feel more connected to each of you
Wol Euler: expectation as the source of unhappiness again: perhaps one feels less lonely in places where one cannot communicate because one doesn't expect to...
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: as long as there is a shared context

Bruce Mowbray remembers the saying of Timothy Leary, "No snow flake in an avalanche feels responsible."
Eliza Madrigal: hehheh
Zen Arado: heheh
Eliza Madrigal: speaking of drops....lol
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: two minutes

Zen Arado: 'what snowflake did it wrong?

Catrinamonblue Resident: I`m going to run along now gys
Catrinamonblue Resident: was so great to be here today
Eliza Madrigal: okay Cat, hugs and glad you came
Wol Euler: enjoy the day, cat
Zen Arado: byee cat
Bruce Mowbray: kk, bye for now,. Cat!
Agatha Macbeth: ^.^
Catrinamonblue Resident: bye all :)
Qt Core: bye Cat

Bleu Oleander: perhaps I hear myself saying "drop it" to my dog too many times in a day LOL
Bruce Mowbray: Here's another DROP!
Eliza Madrigal: hahah Bleu
Zen Arado: a lonely drop?
Eliza Madrigal: so it sounds like an admonishment
Bleu Oleander: hehe yes
Wol Euler: heheheh
Bleu Oleander: drop it Bleu!
Bruce Mowbray: Do not step out into the moving traffic.
Eliza Madrigal: love it

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Eliza Madrigal: okay... last long PAUSE for today's session
Bleu Oleander: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes!
Bruce Mowbray: GOOD!
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Bruce Mowbray ponders Eliza watching her computer's timer to be sure that 5 minutes have passed before she cues the bowl to sound. How many layers are there to our experience, anyway?!
Eliza Madrigal: multiple operating at diff speeds seems to me
Wol Euler nods.

Eliza Madrigal: that was what's neat about the pitch drop experiment
Bruce Mowbray: OMG, I never thought that checksum" would become so relevant.
Eliza Madrigal: that people are watching for decades..so slow
Eliza Madrigal: but may miss the 'blink' of a drop

Bruce Mowbray: The pitch-drop was amazing, yes!
Wol Euler: what was that?
Bruce Mowbray: One drop of pitch every -- what was it??? - few years?
Eliza Madrigal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_drop_experiment
Bruce Mowbray: ty, Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: it has been going on since 1972 or something..
Eliza Madrigal: now waiting for the 9th drop

Zen Arado: glass flows like that too given long enough, I read somewhere
Bruce Mowbray: yesw, waiting for years!
Zen Arado: guess everything is flowing
Eliza Madrigal: now there are cameras so no one has to miss it... but lots of people supposedly have a live cam up while they work
Eliza Madrigal: astounding Zen, huh
Bruce Mowbray: I thought about glass flowing, yes.
Wol Euler: fascinating :)
Bruce Mowbray: especially since my typist's old house is a clear demonstration of glass flowing (the windows, I mean.)
Eliza Madrigal: this was in a radiolab episode called "speed"
Zen Arado: like Dogen talking about mountains flowing
Bruce Mowbray: You can clearly see it there.
Eliza Madrigal: ooo nice connection Zen
Bruce Mowbray: Mountains also flow, indeed.

Bleu Oleander: time scales relevant ... if we could see greater chunks of time would be interesting!
Bruce Mowbray: Indeed, everything flows.
Eliza Madrigal: yes.. that's been a meditation for me actually... seeing different kinds of time at work (or play)
Eliza Madrigal: since I heard about this even more so
Bruce Mowbray prefers time's "playing"

Bleu Oleander: evolution is very hard to see within our own time frames
Eliza Madrigal: because it is 'at once'.. both paying close attention and not really paying attention so one can go on with their life
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: actually, Bleu, it is impossible to see within our own species' time-frame.

Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, good Zen!
Zen Arado: I better go
Zen Arado: byee all
Eliza Madrigal: okay Zen... disciplined :)
Wol Euler: bye zen! take care
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bleu, Bye Zen
Zen Arado: :)
Bleu Oleander: me too ... bye for now
Wol Euler: and bye bleu, be happy
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, good Bleu!
Wol Euler thinks about bleu's invisible evil twin who has remained ...
Eliza Madrigal: huh?
Bruce Mowbray ponders how, if loneliness is real, anyone could ever leave....
Wol Euler: "good bleu"
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Eliza Madrigal: shadow bleu
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, "good."
Bruce Mowbray: That is my choice, actually.
Wol Euler smiles.
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: returns smile!
Eliza Madrigal: that's an interesting way to come back to loneliness ... good/evil, connection/disconnection
Bruce Mowbray: (and feels no loneliness whatsoever!)
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: hard to relate to someone who 'never' feels lonely , for me
Bruce Mowbray listens to Eliza... and to Qt, and to Wol, and to aggers......
Bruce Mowbray: Actually, Eliza, my typist seems "never" to feel lonely.
Eliza Madrigal: but maybe it has to do with whether one feels 'fundamentally' connected... as in aware of fundamental goodness
Wol Euler: perhaps we are just using the word differently ...
Eliza Madrigal listens
FcSeeker Resident: ...have almost never time to feel lonelyness...
Bruce Mowbray: I know that that seems strange, by society's standards, but that the case, for sure.

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: busyness makes me feel lonely
Bruce Mowbray: oh yes! THAT DAMN BUSINESS!
Bruce Mowbray: Busy-ness!
Bruce Mowbray: time to be off.

*

FcSeeker Resident: my son felt very lonely after he got the brainstroke, and lost options to communicate, and was afraid of to loose his wife....

Bruce Mowbray: THANK YOU, each and all for another wonderful session!

Qt Core: i sometimes think that i don't feel loneliness as i don't value others enough

Eliza Madrigal: Oh dear, FC :(
Wol Euler: bye bruce, take care
Agatha Macbeth: TC Brucie
FcSeeker Resident: he cannot see, what's permanent', cannot yet walk or speak aloud; they can be cured
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bruce, for now
Bruce Mowbray: I shall, indeed, take care.
Wol Euler sighs.
Qt Core: bye Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: and wish the same for all of you.
Wol Euler: I'm sorry to hear that, FC.
FcSeeker Resident: but his lonelyness stopped immediately he could find the trust that his wife dont leave him
Eliza Madrigal: feeling of a chasm between connection
Eliza Madrigal: ah, relief
FcSeeker Resident: it is rough, but he is in so good hands, that I have peace , but sure sadness too; my son loved to read a lot, but his wife said that she'll read aloud to him
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Wol Euler nods.
FcSeeker Resident: ...thinking that it's even better when loving wife reads...
Eliza Madrigal smiles

Eliza Madrigal: someone once said in a session something like, the best feeling is to receive unexpected acceptance, kindness or warm response when expecting rejection
Wol Euler nods.

FcSeeker Resident: ...sometimes such can be also a trap...
FcSeeker Resident: the nature of my nation is to be very 'frank'; straight....
FcSeeker Resident: when ever somebody is polite in relate, that 'rings the bells' of such trap....

Eliza Madrigal: I had to be taught not to smile at everyone on subways because it seems crazy/suspicious lol
Wol Euler chuckles.
FcSeeker Resident: I've experienced such only short time, but yes; that was a trap....just that I listened to them bells, so all didn't come as such shock
FcSeeker Resident: brings a story to panda's mind....
Agatha Macbeth: :)

Qt Core: try to answer "bad" to the people that ask you in the morning "how are you ?" ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: hahah

FcSeeker Resident: in the city where I was born and lived whole my life, it was common to think that in case anybody walking on the street smiles, one is either crazy of drunken
Eliza Madrigal: or wants something?
FcSeeker Resident: I was 15 when I dressed myself to have pigtails, painted dots onto my face, and put different socks to my feet and went to walk downtown
Wol Euler thinks of Kaurismäki films in which not a single person ever smiles
Eliza Madrigal: hmm
FcSeeker Resident: just in order to get ppl to smile
FcSeeker Resident: you are right *
FcSeeker Resident: ok; such 'make up' and dressing is the way how the here famous Pippi Longstromp dresses and looks; childrens books charachter
FcSeeker Resident: who is super strong and rich and funny
Eliza Madrigal: oh yes I loved her... was Pippi one halloween ^^
FcSeeker Resident: so I saw huge much smiling faces
Agatha Macbeth: Only one?
Eliza Madrigal: :P

FcSeeker Resident: but then people stopped smiling at me
Eliza Madrigal: hm
FcSeeker Resident: and I thought there's something wrong now

FcSeeker Resident: it was very hot summer day
FcSeeker Resident: I went to the pub to resting room to see myself
FcSeeker Resident: I had swetted all dots from my face
FcSeeker Resident: that was it *
Eliza Madrigal: oooooh...

Qt Core: i need to go, bye all
Eliza Madrigal: bye qt :)

FcSeeker Resident: just went back home without seeing smiling face anymore, but had seen them so much that I felt good

Agatha Macbeth: Ciao QT
Eliza Madrigal remembers not to ask qt "how are you"
Eliza Madrigal: :))
FcSeeker Resident: Ciao Qt
Qt Core: ;-)
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: bye qt, take care

Eliza Madrigal: at least you realized what had happened FC
Eliza Madrigal: why the change of response
Wol Euler nods.
FcSeeker Resident: me and my friends created an answer to that difficult question;
FcSeeker Resident: "there it was the most important"
FcSeeker Resident: yea

Eliza Madrigal: somehow the image reminds me of driving up to my son's school one day, which needs to be painted... he said "the building is weeping"

FcSeeker Resident: ....details are often more than nesessary....
FcSeeker Resident: ***
Eliza Madrigal: mmm

FcSeeker Resident: your this son is special
FcSeeker Resident: very special
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: seems to be true
Eliza Madrigal nods... sensitive...
Wol Euler: from what we hear/see
Eliza Madrigal: ty
Agatha Macbeth: Runs in the family I guess
Wol Euler smiles.
FcSeeker Resident: he suffers for missing painting for the house not to feel well....
Eliza Madrigal: he's a teacher to me but I'm really attached, and he can't do anything about that :P

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: Well what are mothers for?
Eliza Madrigal: well yes, that's it... sometimes there is more in a flash impression than anything

Aggers pops up...

Wol Euler: jill in the box

Eliza Madrigal: much appreciation for today
Agatha Macbeth: Time for me to leave grasshopper
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Aggers
Wol Euler: bye aggers, sleep well
Eliza Madrigal: love that you keep that AO on
Eliza Madrigal: leggy lady
Wol Euler: see you at dreams.
FcSeeker Resident: ***
Agatha Macbeth: Adios folklings be well
Agatha Macbeth: Yes I love it too Liz
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: wish you all well and happy :))
Eliza Madrigal: bfn <3
Wol Euler: goodnight all, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Byee
Eliza Madrigal: thanks again
Wol Euler: <3
Wol Euler: goodnight, fc, I hope all goes well with you
Wol Euler: <3
FcSeeker Resident: I have much reasons to believe that it's so and shall be *
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: good :)
FcSeeker Resident: have very good night *
Wol Euler: thank you, and you too.