2014.03.10 13:00 - String Seeing, Being Seeing

The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

from: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/i...ic=3002385.430
"Buddhism's philosophy of interdependence lets us see our differences as a vast interconnected web. In fact, the image Buddhists use to illustrate this is that of Indra's net. At each intersection of the strands of this net, which is the universe of different selves, is a jewel -- a "self" -- which reflects all the other jewels in the net. No single jewel, then, is self-sufficient. Its existence depends upon, and reflects, all the others. And so, in Buddhist lingo, each jewel is Empty of self-existence! "


--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :) Sorry you caught me mid-outfit!
Zen Arado: heheh
Zen Arado: Hi Eliza
Zen Arado: looks the other way
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: "virtual writers" - are you participating in writing groups in SL now?
Zen Arado: was talking to a woman in a group and joined but havent been yet
Zen Arado: so many groups sigh
Eliza Madrigal: I guess it just depends on what you like to focus on now
Zen Arado: yeh focus
Zen Arado: what's that :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: gravity

Wol Euler: hello eliza, zen
Zen Arado: just came form Strix playing guitar at PP
Eliza Madrigal: Hi, caped Wol
Zen Arado: he's quite good
Zen Arado: Hi Wol
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yes he is... have heard him just the once
Zen Arado: caped crusader
Zen Arado: who was that?
Wol Euler: superman?
Wol Euler: or batman?
Wol Euler: they all look alike from 40 yrs away

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Zen Arado: not sure
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi y'all
Wol Euler: hello leu
Eliza Madrigal: in leu of Bleu?
Bleu Oleander: :)

Bleu Oleander: how's everyone?
Zen Arado: I have problems
Wol Euler: hehehe
Eliza Madrigal: fairly well
Eliza Madrigal: What's your problem Zen?
Wol Euler: oh dear
Zen Arado: everyone has 83 problems said the Buddha
Wol Euler listens.
Eliza Madrigal thinks of JayZ
Wol Euler: only 83?
Zen Arado: and the 84th is thinking you shouldn't have any problems :)
Bleu Oleander: depends on how one defines a "problem"
Eliza Madrigal: crisistunity?
Bleu Oleander: exactly

Wol Euler: I'd say anyhting you think is a problem, is.
Bleu Oleander: well, maybe it's only in the thinking
Wol Euler: because thinking that will make it have an effect on you
Zen Arado: yeh
Eliza Madrigal: maybe a problem is a step up from a vague sense of unease ... like, if you can form a problem you are half way there

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
Zen Arado: Hi Aggers
Wol Euler: hello aggers and aph
Agatha Macbeth: Boo
Zen Arado: Hi Aph
Bleu Oleander: hey Aph
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi!

Zen Arado: or maybe refrain from forming it?
Zen Arado: maybe that concretizes it
Zen Arado: (if I could type)
Eliza Madrigal: stay in possibility?
Zen Arado: just deal with things
Bleu Oleander: problems are part of life ... one can look at them as a challenge to solve or something to complain about
Aphrodite Macbain: maybe both!
Bleu Oleander: indeed
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Or all three

Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Candace
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Candace, Welcome
Aphrodite Macbain: Have a cushion!
Bleu Oleander: hi Candace
Wol Euler: hello candace
Zen Arado: Hi Candace
Aphrodite Macbain: This is my friend Candace
Candace Ducatillon: Hello Everyone, and thank you.
Eliza Madrigal: Did Aph tell you about the group, Candace? I think we've met at an event before
Wol Euler waves.
Aphrodite Macbain: we have been rehearsing together
Aphrodite Macbain: I have but it bears repeating Eliza

Agatha Macbeth: Not a snogee?
Wol Euler: heh, I was just thinking that ,aggers
Wol Euler: wondering whether to ask

Eliza Madrigal: Okay great... so we meet, according to our wiki ^^, to discuss the nature of reality...
Agatha Macbeth: We do?
Eliza Madrigal: and post our sessions on the wiki - have kept records for nearly 6 years
Aphrodite Macbain: lol nope

Zen Arado: Hi Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Brucie :)
Aphrodite Macbain: (nope to Aggers)
Eliza Madrigal: Candace, is it okay to include you in those recordings?
Candace Ducatillon: oh yes, ty.
Bleu Oleander: hi Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: thanks :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, everyone. Just trying to get my bearings, here.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce and bearings
Aphrodite Macbain: waves at Bruce

Aggers emailed me early in the week with a lovely idea:

Eliza Madrigal: Instead of pausing for longer periods today, it might be nice to pop over for a sitting (zen retreat as we did after session another day) ... those who choose... at the very end of session/after

Wol Euler: hello bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Bruce Mowbray: Yayy!
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: I'm in
Aphrodite Macbain: Candace we have pauses every 15 minutes
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, everyone (again, in case it didn't come through before). ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: where we say nothing
Aphrodite Macbain: we call it dropping
Candace Ducatillon: very well, ty.
Candace Ducatillon: I was here once before, but it was a long time ago, so a good reminder.

Eliza Madrigal: well, dropping is one aspect ... to "drop what you have to see what you are"
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, indeed, Candace!
Agatha Macbeth: Tempus fugit
Bleu Oleander: can also just "pause"
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes we have a question or an exploration as well
Eliza Madrigal nods...
Aphrodite Macbain: may bear explaining Eliza or I can do that in IM
Eliza Madrigal: the best way is just to try
Aphrodite Macbain: nods ok
Bruce Mowbray: Did you get a notecard, Candace? If not, there are nc's in the box right behind you.

Zen Arado: 'what is there when there is no thinking?' asked Darryl Bailey this week

Candace Ducatillon: ty Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: you're welcome ;-)

Eliza Madrigal: so we have a minute to form an exploration maybe... how about we go right to that... ask : What might it mean to drop what we have to see what we are"
Agatha Macbeth: Who?
Eliza Madrigal: ah, or for some...to drop thinking perhaps... see if that is possible
Agatha Macbeth: I know Darryl Hall

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: not lean on anything we think we've learned :)

Eliza Madrigal: thanks :) would someone like to share their pause experience?
Bruce Mowbray: I will....
Agatha Macbeth: I heard a kettle brewing
Aphrodite Macbain: My pause was clarifying stiuff with Candace :-)
Bruce Mowbray: I am trying something to help me fall asleep at night, that I also tried during this last drop.
Candace Ducatillon smiles
Bruce Mowbray: In involves emptying my entire thought process.
Agatha Macbeth: It didn't work then? :p
Eliza Madrigal: Oh?
Bruce Mowbray: just having it be an empty box...
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Aphrodite Macbain: hard to do if you have been doing some hard thinking just before bed
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: your thinking as an empty box? or you?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Aph, and that is precisely why I'm experimenting with it.
Zen Arado: impossible to stop thinking they say
Aphrodite Macbain: Like writing an essay about notions of self! :-(
Bruce Mowbray: It was that thinking that has me being awake until 4 a.m.
Zen Arado: thoughts just spring up unbidden
Wol Euler: oh wow
Bruce Mowbray: and as soon as they pop up, I empty the box again.
Aphrodite Macbain: ping pong balls bouncing everywhere
Agatha Macbeth: 'Too many notes Mozart'
Bruce Mowbray: like bailing out a rowboat that keeps taking on water.

Zen Arado: where do they come from?
Eliza Madrigal pictures ping pongs springing from empty boxes
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Bruce Mowbray listens
Aphrodite Macbain: that's why it's easier to focus on something- a sound, a feeling, breathing

Eliza Madrigal: for me, I kept thinking about Neil Degrasse Tyson saying that dark matter is not a good name ... that maybe dark gravity is better... so (was) thinking, but a thinking that makes room in a previous notion

Wol Euler: Pema suggested to me once that I stop considering these arising thoughts as "mine", but try to see them as simple facts
Wol Euler: externals
Bruce Mowbray: I'm focusing on an empty box.
Wol Euler: like the traffic noise
Agatha Macbeth: The heart of the dark matter
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Wol. and excellent method.
Eliza Madrigal: "just thoughts" Wol?
Bruce Mowbray: (and attitude).
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: and also not my responsibility
Aphrodite Macbain: dark gravity is something you pour on a roast
Wol Euler: since not willed
Eliza Madrigal: have found it liberating to see all of life that way at times, and dreams
Zen Arado: try not to think of an elephant :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, they were never "yours," Wol.
Wol Euler: meaning: to stop feeling that I had to do something with or about them
Eliza Madrigal: hmm
Eliza Madrigal: no need to follow up
Wol Euler nods.
Aphrodite Macbain: nods- put them in a dark box
Eliza Madrigal: or finish them
Bleu Oleander: unless its a good or creative thought perhaps
Eliza Madrigal: I should do that as host of sessions sometimes.. at some moments I get anxious to follow up on almost everything someone says
Zen Arado: you can remove thought stimulation though
Aphrodite Macbain: a notebook handy helps
Zen Arado: by doing a meditation retreat

Agatha Macbeth: Fish

Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: I personally like thought stimulation :)
Aphrodite Macbain: That's what makes you a wonderful host though Eliza
Zen Arado: we all do Bleu
Candace Ducatillon: oh yes Bleu... the good creative thoughts are good to allow blossoming
Zen Arado: or I do anyway
Zen Arado: he added hastily

Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Zen -- thought "stimulation" is/was the cause of my insomnia --- so emptying it out (rather than letting myself be stimulated) seems to be working.
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Aph... but there is a subtle difference between hosting openly and hosting trying to tie up sessions with bows ^^

Agatha Macbeth: Don't say 'we' Zenny :p
Zen Arado: o ;)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: oh gods, are we going to do that again?
Zen Arado: qualified it
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Aphrodite Macbain: :-) no bows needed, just attention
Agatha Macbeth: Do what?
Eliza Madrigal: I wish you luck Bruce
Zen Arado: the 'we' inquisition
Aphrodite Macbain: multiple strands of conversation....
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah

[removed a little text for light references to individual]

Eliza Madrigal: as much as I didn't like the tone of that conversation at times, it seems a good thing generally to notice
Zen Arado: yes
Eliza Madrigal: (using "we" as a given)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, agreed, Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal: just like using "my"
Zen Arado: I am an inveterate generaliser
Eliza Madrigal: my thoughts, my dreams, my life
Zen Arado: and that is a generalization too
Bruce Mowbray: or "our" ---
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth: Shoot all pronouns on sight
Candace Ducatillon smiles

Eliza Madrigal: although when I say "our group" it makes me feel happy
Bleu Oleander: what's wrong with referring to "my" dreams, my thoughts etc?

[sorry Bleu, didn't see question - it isn't 'wrong' - just informative to see what happens when loosening that identification... becomes, at least for me, more appreciative of presences of appearances feeling.. open and restful]

Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
Eliza Madrigal: lollol Aggers
Bruce Mowbray ponders the movie "her"
Agatha Macbeth: Me too Liz
Aphrodite Macbain: It is good to acknowledge that what we say or feel is ours only
Eliza Madrigal: can be, nods

Bruce Mowbray: Actually, I blame all my bad ideas on Blub.
Zen Arado: I had an Aspergers's girlfriend once...she hated generalizations
Aphrodite Macbain: and even better when we realize we are not alone!
Agatha Macbeth: Yes he much to answer for
Eliza Madrigal: what if he writes a book Bruce?
Aphrodite Macbain: so blub means we?
Zen Arado: 'me and my typist'
Bruce Mowbray makes note... suggest to Blub that he write a book....
Bruce Mowbray: (without pronouns).
Zen Arado: chronicles
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps sounds
Candace Ducatillon: smiles
Zen Arado: the pab years
Agatha Macbeth rubs her ear
Zen Arado: Vol 1
Candace Ducatillon: omg
Aphrodite Macbain: groans
Aphrodite Macbain: anyone here want to be part of a 6th anniversary talent show?
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: So here's a little thought before the next pause...

“Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.”

― Ralph Waldo Emerson

Eliza Madrigal: Oops... sorry Aph... just seeing the bell about to ring
Wol Euler applauds!
Zen Arado: yeh but....
Zen Arado: if only...
Zen Arado: and..
Candace Ducatillon: What a great quote.
Zen Arado: heheh

--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: whispers- miles to go before I sleep. Sorry, must go now.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: easier said than done
Eliza Madrigal: so for the 6th anniversary we'll just have new nonsense :P
Eliza Madrigal: I don't know Zen... just reading that lets me feel a little lighter

Candace Ducatillon: Is this a 6th anniv. of your group?
Wol Euler: in April, yes
Eliza Madrigal: April 1st
Eliza Madrigal: Fools Day :)
Candace Ducatillon smiles
Candace Ducatillon: that's a wonderful milestone
Eliza Madrigal: we've normally had big parties... Aph has played a huge role in organizing some
Eliza Madrigal: but this year we are keeping simple... a talent show, maybe a dance
Candace Ducatillon: yes, I know she has that ability

Candace Ducatillon: Simple is good.
Agatha Macbeth: Modesty made her crash it seems
Eliza Madrigal: it IS pretty significant... sort of amazing really
Bruce Mowbray: and gymnastics!
Candace Ducatillon: So much of our lives are too detailed.
Agatha Macbeth: Good old Jim
Eliza Madrigal: delicate balances...
Candace Ducatillon: yes
Candace Ducatillon: important to keep them in check
Eliza Madrigal: if too little detail, things feel careless and not hm... satisfying
Bruce Mowbray: 
Eliza Madrigal: but if too much, joy is lost
Eliza Madrigal: How often are you in performances Candace?
Bleu Oleander: some see joy in the details
Bruce Mowbray: 
Candace Ducatillon: This is only my second foray.
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen Arado: I like music details
Candace Ducatillon: First time my role was very small; this one a bit larger.
Zen Arado: depends if the details are interesting I guess
Candace Ducatillon: :-)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Candace Ducatillon: no-stress details
Agatha Macbeth: Don't sweat the small stuff
Zen Arado: the devil is in the details however
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: law of diminishing returns I guess... if too detail oriented one might never feel satisfied or finished
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Again
Eliza Madrigal: that's sort of the feeling at the end of a day.. wanting to wind down but still working

Zen Arado: matter of tempweament too
Eliza Madrigal: true
Candace Ducatillon: absolutely
Agatha Macbeth: Twuly
Zen Arado: temperament
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: lisping badly today
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes it is nice to keep working in sleep too, lol... there is nothing that one can say without a qualification
Wol Euler: fingertips must be slippery
Bruce Mowbray: whealy, aggers?
Agatha Macbeth coughs
Eliza Madrigal: (is "one" okay...? different than we or our or my? hah)
Eliza Madrigal: :::head spins:::
Zen Arado: sounds more regal
Wol Euler: it probably also assumes just as much as "we"
Agatha Macbeth: One is ok, two's a crowd
Bruce Mowbray: One must ponder that, Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal grins
Wol Euler: because it makes a statement about generic people
Eliza Madrigal nods...
Agatha Macbeth: 'We don't serve generic people in here'

Wol Euler: one thinks this pronoun argument is not without merit, but entirely overblown
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Bruce Mowbray: 
Bleu Oleander: I think its ok to use any of those words if the thought is an interesting one
Eliza Madrigal: some languages are likely more centric than others
Eliza Madrigal: assumptive ?

Agatha Macbeth pulls Brucie's antlers
Bruce Mowbray: ouch!
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Bruce Mowbray: Pokes Wol's ruby.
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Agatha Macbeth: Ruby monday
Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....

Eliza Madrigal: so, "drop what we have" we often seem to take as meaning an identity...
Wol Euler nods.
Zen Arado: what does a one hour old baby think about?

Eliza Madrigal: that might just have to do with our particular interests as people/fascinating subject matter
Bruce Mowbray also nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Milk
Wol Euler: and its expressions: the worry, the hope/fear/annoyance
Eliza Madrigal nods...

Zen Arado: it doesn't know any words or concepts
Zen Arado: just pure sensations

Eliza Madrigal: there's a parallel in acting circles actually... the diff. between actors who shed themselves and totally enter other roles, vs actors who are themselves whatever role they play

Zen Arado: hard to imagine that
Bleu Oleander: it also eats baby food and drinks from a baby bottle :)
Bruce Mowbray: also, its physical brain has not yet developed to the point it could even "have" such thoughts.
Zen Arado: exactly
Bruce Mowbray: so, milk and more milk -- and sleep. That's about the extent of it.
Agatha Macbeth: Some life eh
Wol Euler thinks about actors
Candace Ducatillon: a simple life
Zen Arado: it doesn't sit in the womb thining' it's nearly time I was born'
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: phone call.....
Zen Arado: it doesn't know what milk is
Eliza Madrigal: also, ideally, doesn't have to rustle up its own food :)
Zen Arado: it just feels an urge
Bleu Oleander: probably thinks it would be nice to stay there lol
Bruce Mowbray: back.
Zen Arado: wb Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Wrong number?
Eliza Madrigal: blub making crank calls
Zen Arado: nice and cosy in the womb
Agatha Macbeth pokes Liz
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Bruce Mowbray: My typist refuses to answer any calls that don't show a caller ID.
Zen Arado: he called me today
Agatha Macbeth: Probably your bank manager
Eliza Madrigal: so that was a potential call

Bleu Oleander: so I have a question ...
Eliza Madrigal listens
Bruce Mowbray: (The caller can leave a message -- if she has something important to tell me.)

--BELL--

Bleu Oleander: are avatars just digital puppets?
Bruce Mowbray ponders "digital puppets" during this drop.

Agatha Macbeth: More like Pygmalion's statue I'd say
Eliza Madrigal: go on, Aggers?
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Zen Arado: now I know who I am
Zen Arado: a puppet
Agatha Macbeth: Or Frankenstein's monster :p
Wol Euler listens.
Zen Arado: no identity crisis
Bruce Mowbray: Bleu, if you've not seen the movie "her" yet, please do. and then think of that "digital puppet" question....

Bleu Oleander: was playing with some Marionettes and felt similar to using an avatar in many ways

Eliza Madrigal: I don't have an answer... if sometimes I might say "yes" it wouldn't be a "just" yes
Eliza Madrigal: ah, nice Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: I love marionettes
Bleu Oleander: should not have used "just"
Agatha Macbeth: No strings attatched
Zen Arado: this avatar is a puppet I think

Wol Euler: I'm with Aggers on this, they start out as puppets or characters in a story but take on a life of their own
Bruce Mowbray: Yes! I feel that being in Sl is like playing with paper dolls! I have felt that since first coming in-world!
Wol Euler: IMHO YMMV
Eliza Madrigal: puppets are quite powerful
Agatha Macbeth: True that Wollie

Bleu Oleander: in what ways are they similar?

Zen Arado: depends on an external manipulator
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen Arado: would be worrying otherwise
Bleu Oleander: digital stings
Zen Arado: yes

Bruce Mowbray: Do you folks know about "Playing BIG" and "Playing LITTLE"?

Eliza Madrigal: images becoming animated... mingled both with will but some x factor too
Zen Arado: 'like a puppet on a string'
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: i remember that, bruce, it was a great story/idea
Agatha Macbeth: Something to do with baseball Bruce?
Zen Arado: no Bruce
Wol Euler: but it defintely bears repeating :)
Bleu Oleander: I am the voice behind my avatar and my puppets

Bruce Mowbray: Playing BIG is when you take on the character of that thing you're pretending to be (like a cowboy)...

Eliza Madrigal: just as "world at large" really... one might feel at times like all the life has drained from "everything"

Bruce Mowbray: Playing LITTLE is when you move little representations of the cowboy around...
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Bruce Mowbray: It seems to me that SL is a mix of the two.
Agatha Macbeth: Little and large
Eliza Madrigal: switchings and blendings
Bruce Mowbray: LITTLE and BIG.
Candace Ducatillon: yes ... sometimes you feel and act little, and other times big.
Bruce Mowbray: It's in the relationship you "take on" to that cowboy...
Candace Ducatillon: rather *me*
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal nods... and in spiritual circles sometimes one uses terms like higher self, etc

Bleu Oleander: one can feel like the character of your avatar as well as like the character of a puppet
Bruce Mowbray: whether you become it, or whether you let something else become it.

Zen Arado: so what is manipulating the manipulator?
Zen Arado: the rest of the universe?
Eliza Madrigal: manipulator on a different scale?
Bleu Oleander: we can't see our strings

Bruce Mowbray: ahhh! Excellent question! -- But for me, anyway, it's not really about "being manipulated" -- I guess I have a false sense of independence on that one.
Bruce Mowbray ponders causation types.
Bruce Mowbray: Aristotle's four.

Eliza Madrigal: sometimes I see the strings... propaganda I've bought into willingly or even set up for myself to buy into for a while
Eliza Madrigal: like a script
Bleu Oleander: our genes, environment and experience are our strings
Zen Arado: a myriad of influences
Candace Ducatillon: yes ... I would agree with that ... the conditioned script
Bruce Mowbray listens carefully for more from Eliza on "strings."
Bruce Mowbray: (or from anyone, of course!)
Eliza Madrigal: just thinking that sometimes we choose to take on roles for a time

Bleu Oleander: should correct that ... we can't see "all" of our strings

Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Zon!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Zon
Zen Arado: Hi Zon
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
Candace Ducatillon: Hello Zon

Eliza Madrigal: there is a lot being learned about dna... suppose we are busy at trying to see our stringyness
Bruce Mowbray: Do you feel welcome, Zon? Or manipulated?
Eliza Madrigal: what can be influenced and over what period of time
Bleu Oleander: complexity of strings
Zon Kwan: always welcome
Eliza Madrigal: that's the main thing with these discussions perhaps... we are looking at such a small sample of time... all we 'can' do really
Zen Arado: yeh a huge complexity

Bruce Mowbray: maybe they are "connections" - and valuable ones, not just strings.
Eliza Madrigal: :) glad Zon
Zen Arado: a huge mystery
Eliza Madrigal: open strings
Bruce Mowbray: Mystery holds far more than history.
Bruce Mowbray: (You can quote me on that!)
Zen Arado: we isolate small parts and think we understand them
Agatha Macbeth: Magical mystery tour
Zen Arado: only see patterns
Zen Arado: assume they wiil continue evermore
Zen Arado: but they don't
Bruce Mowbray: Just imagine what Indra's Net sees!
Zen Arado: then we are shocked
Agatha Macbeth: Quoth the raven evermore

Eliza Madrigal: I like that thought Bruce.. networks/connections...
Zen Arado: the beatles got that one right
Eliza Madrigal: and a dance of chance and willingness
Zen Arado: life as a magical mystery tour
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.google.com/search?q=indr...w=1845&bih=995

Zon Kwan: all is relations
Eliza Madrigal: yet Indra's Net too, is open ended...not a trapping net, or hm...guess it could be - "nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so" :)
Bruce Mowbray: "It's coming to take you away!"

Eliza Madrigal: so in five minutes, after the bell, if anyone who would like to pop over to zen retreat with me topause for a longer while would be welcome
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: I remember him killing the dragon
Bruce Mowbray: YES!
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Bruce Mowbray loves to pop.
Bleu Oleander: take care all
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Candace Ducatillon smiles
Bleu Oleander: bye for now
Eliza Madrigal: take care Bleu, gtsy
Bruce Mowbray: bye bye, Bleu!
Wol Euler: b ye bleu, take care
Zen Arado: bye Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bleu
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Lila!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lila :)

Wol Euler: hello lila :) bad timing, I'm afraid, we are going to break up after the bell at 2pm
Zen Arado: Hi Lila
Bruce Mowbray: Can you give us LM's for the Zen place, Eliza?

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: THANKS!
Zon Kwan: thanks
Eliza Madrigal: (in process)
Wol Euler: see you all there :)
Eliza Madrigal: love your dress Candace

Agatha Macbeth: Let us sally forth (or fifth)

Wol Euler: and goodnight to those who aren't going
Candace Ducatillon: ty
Eliza Madrigal: hugs and goodnight to those not joining... sys