2015.10.13 13:00 - Dry Conditions and Smoulder

The Guardian for this meeting was No Self. The comments are by No Self.

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: Osiyo... brb
Korel Laloix: Osiyo...in and out at work.. brb
Korel Laloix: Happy tuesday all.
Bruce Mowbray: Happy Tuesday, Kori.
ElanVitalo Resident: Is today Tuesday?
ElanVitalo Resident: I thought it was Monday....
ElanVitalo Resident: (holiday madness, I guess).
Korel Laloix: Something like that.

Bruce Mowbray: Remember when I told you that our farmers were in the field combining soybeans yesterday, Kori?
Korel Laloix: At least a short week.
ElanVitalo Resident listens.....
Bruce Mowbray: Well, guess what happened!?
Bruce Mowbray: One of the combines caught on fire.
ElanVitalo Resident: Yikes!
ElanVitalo Resident: Yikes!
Korel Laloix: Everyone OK?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, and they came it to me for a fire extinguisher.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, everyone is better than OK, actually.

Bruce Mowbray: I couldn't believe how calm and collected everyone was about it....
Bruce Mowbray: especially since just last week one of my neighbors lost his entire combine to fire.
Korel Laloix: You work around machinery all the time, maybe that is not a rare occurrence?..
Bruce Mowbray: That's about $150,000....
Bruce Mowbray: Well, it has been extremely dry this year.
Korel Laloix: Someone setting them on fire?
Korel Laloix: You have GMO stuff planted?
Bruce Mowbray: and that's why the dust became impacted in the machinery and it got so hot that it ignighted.
Bruce Mowbray: Nope.
Bruce Mowbray: No GMO stuff.
Bruce Mowbray: That's probably illegal in Ohio anyway.
Korel Laloix: No idea on that one.
Bruce Mowbray: It was the heat of the machine - combined with the impacted dust...
Bruce Mowbray: just smouldering.
Korel Laloix: I can imagine.

Korel Laloix: I have planted, but never harvested.
Bruce Mowbray: But anyway, we had to bring out my hose -- two long sections of hose, in order to reach inside the combine and finally put out the fire.
Korel Laloix: wow.. just glad everyone is OK...
Korel Laloix: What does that do to ther schedule?
Bruce Mowbray: What a relief to have it completely extinguished.
Bruce Mowbray: no problem with the schedule, it was well after dark when they came to me fore extinguisher and hose.

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: (They left everything in the field for the night -- Besides, it had started raining by that time - and it was time to come in and call it a day, anyway.)
Darren Islar: oops, sorry guys, hey there :)
Bruce Mowbray: (They have been out in the field all day today, though -- hoping to finish up the beans by tomorrow.)
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Darren!
ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, Darren.
ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, Qt!
Qt Core: Hi all
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Qt!
Bruce Mowbray: I* was just telling Kori and Darren about the fire in one of the combines harvesting our soybeans -- last night.
Qt Core: !
Bruce Mowbray: Fortunately, we were able to extinguish it.
Darren Islar: hi QT
Bruce Mowbray: They are back in the field today - and should be finished harvesting by tomorrow.
Bruce Mowbray: Whew!
Qt Core: good
ElanVitalo Resident: Yikes!
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it is always good have have the crop in for the year.
Bruce Mowbray: I can remember years when the ice storms got to it before we were able to harvest -- and that's not good.
Darren Islar: life is uncertain
ElanVitalo Resident: So for three days we have this constant background noise of machinery.
Darren Islar: but there is a way
Bruce Mowbray: It surely is, Darren.
Darren Islar: we can insure it
Bruce Mowbray: :) listens for more.
ElanVitalo Resident also listens.

Darren Islar: the less we are insured, the higher risk we take ... but the people who get insured too well, might be living in fear
Darren Islar: so how do we live with insecurity?

ElanVitalo Resident: I'm pretty sure that Bruce's neighbor's combine was insured before it burned.
ElanVitalo Resident: Sure hope so, anyway.
Darren Islar: a combine which can get fire, just because it's dry
Darren Islar: think so too
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, a fragile existence -- midst the enormous machines.
ElanVitalo Resident: (and noisy machines, too.)
Korel Laloix: I find it so interesting how much noise we can ignore.
Bruce Mowbray: All the big machinery is an illusion, I feel.
Darren Islar: a healthy guy, sportsman, ending up in a nursing home
ElanVitalo Resident nods.
Darren Islar: one day we might end up there as well
Darren Islar: there is also a solution for that
Bruce Mowbray: One of my best friends used to run five miles every day -- and he suddenly had a near-death experience, and is not dying of Hodgkin's Lymphoma. Whes.
Darren Islar: don't think about it for now and ignore what si around you
Bruce Mowbray: now*
Darren Islar: wow
Darren Islar: we can put things off and think, that is not going to happen tome
Bruce Mowbray: Whew*
Darren Islar: but if we ignore it, what does it doe with us?
Bruce Mowbray: I used to think like that -- until I got Legionnaire's Disease while vacationing in New York.
Bruce Mowbray: and then was hospitalized for eleven days.
Darren Islar: this is a combine, expensive, but in teh end, just some metal
Darren Islar: nods
Bruce Mowbray: Ooops. Elan crashed.
Darren Islar: one moment you're there, another moment gone :)
ElanVitalo Resident: 's current display-name is "Elan".
ElanVitalo Resident: 
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome back, Elan.
ElanVitalo Resident: ty.
Korel Laloix: One of the more creepy things about my job are some of the tests that essentially spell life or death in the results..
Korel Laloix: A lot of times, it is a degree.
Bruce Mowbray: oh dear. Medically, you mean?
Korel Laloix: But sometimes, the results are pretty clear.
Korel Laloix: Yes.
Darren Islar: what do you do Kori?
ElanVitalo Resident listens carefully.
Korel Laloix: I run the science portion of a small medical testing lab.

--BELL--

Darren Islar: research?
ElanVitalo Resident ponders that human bodies are pretty much like machines. They break down.
Korel Laloix: So not to over complicate things, but we do tests that doctors order.... And we do some actual research contracts as well, but that is not the focus.
Darren Islar: ok, does it change your feeling when you find such a result out of a test?
Korel Laloix: Most are at least not horrible results.
Korel Laloix: So the attitude tends to be something like... it could be much worse.
Korel Laloix: But particularly when it is a child... that really puts a cloud over the entire lab floor.
Darren Islar: nods, immediately covering up your initial feelings with more ok-feelings?
Darren Islar: hmmm, yeah
ElanVitalo Resident: As I understand these things, a doctor's diagnosis must be had before any medications can be prescribed, right?
Korel Laloix: Not covering up, just moving into clinical mode.. facts and neutral.
ElanVitalo Resident: So, no diagnosis, no Rx.
Korel Laloix: Not always, there are progress lab checks as well.
ElanVitalo Resident understands "clinical mode"
Korel Laloix: To look at treatment effectiveness.
Darren Islar: what do you do with the initial feelings?
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh. For sure.
Bruce Mowbray understands "facts and neutral"
Korel Laloix: I shift to hope mode really.. as I have to double check some things.
ElanVitalo Resident nods.
ElanVitalo Resident: I tend to shift into "Accept whatever is" mode.
Darren Islar: nods ... are we aware of our initial feelings in those cases?
Korel Laloix: But then I get clinical again.. Fortunately this does not happen often where I am now. So I think I am still learning how to deal with it.
ElanVitalo Resident nods.
Bruce Mowbray also nods.
Korel Laloix: I very much try to be.
Darren Islar: accept whatever is ... that's a nice one
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Darren Islar: try to be
Korel Laloix: There is a sort of human desire to give better news.. but that can be very bad in the long run.
Darren Islar: yes, true
Darren Islar: I also think it's not fair, not telling the bad news
ElanVitalo Resident: Well, acceptance seems to be more a matter of gentleness than of gusto --- The more gently I can come to acceptance, the ore deeply I can accept whatever is. There is no "pride" involved in it, though.
ElanVitalo Resident: more*
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
Korel Laloix: The key thing is how the doctor tells the patient... you have to give hope, but be realistic of how bad the treatment may be. A very delicate balance that I am sure I could not get right.
Bruce Mowbray: So, "hold it gently" rather than "heal it:" ?
Korel Laloix: Not sure.
Bruce Mowbray: me neither.
ElanVitalo Resident: me neither.
Darren Islar: yes, I think 'gentle' in that process is important ot keep that balance
Darren Islar: caring? part of gentleness?
Bruce Mowbray: Holding whatever is wounded should be a gentle thing.
Darren Islar: embarcing
ElanVitalo Resident: Caring comes first.
ElanVitalo Resident: Something that cyber-technicians are only recently teaching robots is how to hold things very gently.
Qt Core: almost falling asleep on the keyboard... better go to find a softer pillow before it really happens
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, do find a soft pillow, Qt.
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Qt Core: bye all
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, good person.
Darren Islar: grins ... okay, bye QT :)
Korel Laloix: Take care.
Korel Laloix: Soft pillows is more like it.
Bruce Mowbray: Something is happening with the combines. They are both at the side of the field. I should probably go out there and see what's up.
ElanVitalo Resident: me too, Brucie.
Korel Laloix: OK.. take care.
Bruce Mowbray: kk, thank you Darren and Kori.
Korel Laloix: I am back to work for a bit.. so ciao all.
ElanVitalo Resident: Thank you both.
ElanVitalo Resident: I am out of here with the fire extinguisher.
Darren Islar: I'm not gone
Bruce Mowbray: Elan is over-reacting.
Bruce Mowbray: Thank for this time together, Darren.
Bruce Mowbray: Stay well.
Darren Islar: ok, see you Bruce