2015.10.31 14:00 - Guardian Meeting: Workable Thoughts

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    Present for this guardian meeting were Bruce, Raffi, Kori, Eliza, Wol, Aggers, Stevenaia, Bleu, Xiri, Elan, Zen, Mick, and Aph!
     
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    [ 13:53]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) grins
    [ 13:53]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Bruce, funny
    [ 13:53]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hello!
    [ 13:54]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I hope we aren't too noxious for you
    [ 13:54]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Ha ha.
    [ 13:54]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Bleu :)
    [ 13:54]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi guys
    [ 13:54]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): oops forgot about halloween
    [ 13:55]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, Bleu.
    [ 13:55]  Korel Laloix: is online.
    [ 13:55]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): ok feel better now
    [ 13:55]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): he he he
    [ 13:56]  Agatha Macbeth: Here I is
    [ 13:56]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hello Agatha :) Wow....samurai goddess?
    [ 13:56]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): you can't tell its me, right? lol
    [ 13:56]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
    [ 13:56]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Heya, aggers.
    [ 13:56]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) tries to place the face
    [ 13:56]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): hehe
    [ 13:56]  Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bleuji
    [ 13:56]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): Aggers :)
     
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    [ 13:56]  Agatha Macbeth: Are you ill Liz?
    [ 13:56]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :P
    [ 13:56]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): just a little green
    [ 13:56]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): green with envy?
    [ 13:56]  Agatha Macbeth: Or did the Grinch get you?
    [ 13:57]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) wonders why green would have grumpy connotations hah
     
    [ 13:57]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) sending teleports today :)
    [ 13:57]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): good idea
    [ 13:57]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Raffi
    [ 13:58]  Agatha Macbeth: I forgot this place was here actually
    [ 13:58]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I should have sent a photo out
    [ 13:58]  Agatha Macbeth: Right, need tea
    [ 13:58]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Elan and Raffi :)
    [ 13:58]  stevenaia Michinaga: wave
    [ 13:58]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): hey steve
    [ 13:58]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): fancy
    [ 13:58]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): Elan :)
    [ 13:58]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hey Stevie :)
    [ 13:58]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): pretty wings
     
     
    [ 13:59]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Until everyone is familiar I should have sent a photo of Bleu's spot and teleport sign, or url to the signs?
    [ 13:59]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): probably good idea
    [ 13:59]  stevenaia Michinaga: is someone tp'g those who appear below?
    [ 13:59]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): can be challenging with sim crossing
    [ 13:59]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Tping those who IM me
    [ 13:59]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): hiya Wol
    [ 13:59]  stevenaia Michinaga: welvome Wol, gtsy
    [ 13:59]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Wol :) eep
    [ 14:00]  Wol Euler: I jumped across, it worked
    [ 14:00]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): ah great
    [ 14:00]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Heya, Wol.
    [ 14:00]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): other way is more challenging for some reason
    [ 14:00]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): explain what the issue is there again?
    [ 14:00]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): sim crossing
    [ 14:00]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Heya, Raffi.
    [ 14:00]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): better to fly, jump or tp across
    [ 14:00]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Heya, Steve.
    [ 14:00]  Wol Euler: basically a delay in handing over from one server to another, causes/caused people to fall through the floor
    [ 14:00]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes
    [ 14:01]  Raffila Millgrove: there is a tp thing that will give you choice between 900 and 600.  i picked 900 which didn't work. i was nearby but not here.
    [ 14:01]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): interesting
    [ 14:01]  Raffila Millgrove: there is some tp circle right near the pavilion.
    [ 14:01]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Oh, yes that's my spot Raffi. 600 is the retreat space
    [ 14:01]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Not sure what 900 lands into now, as it was made when there was something else there
    [ 14:01]  Raffila Millgrove: welli chose 900 but it didn't get me here right.
    [ 14:01]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): I had LL test this and they couldn't fix it ... seems sim crossings are hard in the sky
    [ 14:01]  Raffila Millgrove: close but not here.
    [ 14:01]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): next door is Bleu's spot
    [ 14:01]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and a sign of teleports
    [ 14:01]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): there is a TPer at the Pavilion also
    [ 14:02]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Oh, great. Hadn't seen that
    [ 14:02]  Raffila Millgrove: ok well i just don't understand anything here anymore.
    [ 14:02]  stevenaia Michinaga: I may have to depart early
    [ 14:02]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) prob not the only one Raffi, things are changing fast
    [ 14:02]  Raffila Millgrove: the wiki literally doesn't know me and i don't know where to look to find the scheduled sessions.
    [ 14:02]  Raffila Millgrove: and i can't find anything on the actual sim.. so that's about Everything.  lol
    [ 14:03]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
    [ 14:03]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): (and the scheduled sessions keep changing their moderators, too.)
    [ 14:03]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): huh... right on the front page of the public wiki there is the google calendar
    [ 14:03]  Raffila Millgrove: well i get the emails. i should be and am thankful for that.  so i am not totally out of it.
    [ 14:03]  Agatha Macbeth haz T
    [ 14:03]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): we should do a tour for those who would like one
    [ 14:03]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): that's true, musical hosts
    [ 14:03]  Agatha Macbeth: Wollie ♥
     
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    [ 14:03]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): So the first item: Bruce will now step in instead of Darren on Tuesdays 1pm SLT
    [ 14:03]  Raffila Millgrove: i was for a long time unable to get the emails.. so i will just be thankful i guess.  no biggie.
    [ 14:03]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yes.
    [ 14:04]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): yay Bruce :)
    [ 14:04]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Thanks Bruce
    [ 14:04]  Jamaican Spice: whispers: A beautiful zesty herbal infusion with brilliant red liquor and a bouquet of flavors accented by the tartness of hibiscus, properly offset by the sweetness of cinnamon. Added cloves and orange peel inspire joyful dancing! A little spicy, a little sweet, just like you, Agatha Macbeth
    [ 14:04]  Raffila Millgrove: that will be nice bruce. ty
    [ 14:04]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yikes!
    [ 14:04]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yw.
    [ 14:04]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): it is a nice session time... hope to make it more often, but then I seem to say that a lot lately
    [ 14:04]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but generally a good time for US and Europe
    [ 14:05]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): 4 pm eastern.
    [ 14:05]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes
    [ 14:05]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): time change in US tomorrow
    [ 14:05]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): any particular focus you think, or spontaneous as arises?
    [ 14:05]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yes, set your clocks back, Yankees!
    [ 14:05]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) setting scale back 20 lbs
    [ 14:05]  Wol Euler chuckles.
    [ 14:06]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): hehe
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    [ 14:06]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Xiri :))
    [ 14:06]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Xiri
    [ 14:06]  Agatha Macbeth: Hola Xira
    [ 14:06]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Heya, Xir!
    [ 14:06]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): And next item is this new meeting space... how does everyone feel here?
    [ 14:06]  stevenaia Michinaga: pillows could be fluffier
    [ 14:06]  Agatha Macbeth: I like it
    [ 14:06]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): like the clouds beneath our feet feeling
    [ 14:06]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello everyone:)
    [ 14:07]  Agatha Macbeth: Just waiting for the lions and gladiators
    [ 14:07]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles
    [ 14:07]  Wol Euler: I find the similarity of textures overall is hard to "read", hard to tell the vertical sides of the steps from the horizontal surfaces
    [ 14:07]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): this is an offering for use if you all want :)
    [ 14:07]  Agatha Macbeth: Osiyo K
    [ 14:08]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): it is a little hard to read for photos
    [ 14:08]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Kori :)
    [ 14:08]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ooooohhhh
    [ 14:08]  Korel Laloix: Osiyo...
    [ 14:08]  Wol Euler: hello K
    [ 14:08]  Korel Laloix: brb
    [ 14:08]  Agatha Macbeth: Looks like she's been at the spirits
    [ 14:08]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, Kori.  Bye, Kori.
    [ 14:08]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): speakign of hard to read for photos... wonderful avi
    [ 14:08]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Kori
    [ 14:08]  Agatha Macbeth: Ghost bride?
    [ 14:08]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): nice :)
    [ 14:09]  Raffila Millgrove: Hi Xiri. HI Kori
    [ 14:09]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): if you all like, the builders can keep trying designs for a guardian meeting space ... for now can use this is you want
    [ 14:09]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Raffi! :)
    [ 14:09]  Korel Laloix: back..
    [ 14:09]  Korel Laloix: Heya
    [ 14:10]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): wb, Kori.
    [ 14:10]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I'm happy, so up to others if there is another vision etc
    [ 14:10]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): looking down into the sky is fun
    [ 14:10]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): there is still room prim-wise to build one in Bieup over the pavilion area
     
    [ 14:11]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and we'll hopefully use the theater soonish
    [ 14:11]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes!
    [ 14:11]  Agatha Macbeth: Mick's on his way
    [ 14:11]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): great
    [ 14:11]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): let me see if Zen's having trouble....
    [ 14:12]  Agatha Macbeth: Yay Micko
    [ 14:12]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Heya Mick :)
    [ 14:12]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Mick and Zen
    [ 14:12]  stevenaia Michinaga: waves
    [ 14:12]  Wol Euler: hello zen, mick
    [ 14:12]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Zen, okay you're good
    [ 14:12]  Mickorod Renard: Hiya
    [ 14:12]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Heya, Zen and Mick.
    [ 14:12]  Zen (zen.arado): Hi all
    [ 14:12]  Agatha Macbeth: Hi Zenny
    [ 14:12]  Mickorod Renard: nearly missed by an hour
     
    [ 14:12]  Zen (zen.arado): that teleporter is almost invisible
    [ 14:13]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hehe, yes
    [ 14:13]  Zen (zen.arado): and writing too small
    [ 14:13]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello Zen! :)
    [ 14:13]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): have to zoom
    [ 14:13]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): dislike really obvious signs about though?
    [ 14:13]  Wol Euler nods.
    [ 14:13]  Korel Laloix: brb... getting ready.
    [ 14:14]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): tried to be discrete
    [ 14:14]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods
    [ 14:14]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): not too billboardish
    [ 14:14]  Zen (zen.arado): not much use having them if no one can see them unless they already know where they are...it seems to me ...anyway
    [ 14:14]  Zen (zen.arado): secret signs?
    [ 14:14]  Zen (zen.arado): :)
    [ 14:14]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
    [ 14:15]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): ok will make bigger and brighter?
    [ 14:15]  Wol Euler: invisible ink on invisible paper
    [ 14:15]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I thought to send photo and url of Bleu's spot but not until we were already here today :)
    [ 14:15]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): tough crowd!
    [ 14:15]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) laughs
    [ 14:15]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): just a smidge larger would be perfect I think
    [ 14:15]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): but we aim to please :)
    [ 14:15]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Thank you Bleu
    [ 14:15]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): kk
    [ 14:15]  Mickorod Renard: I would still be confused no matter what
    [ 14:15]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): lol
    [ 14:15]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): btw, playing with lighting is fun here too
     
    Tier Donations Needed
     
    [ 14:16]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Okay next item is a little technical
    [ 14:16]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): It is about land donations
    [ 14:16]  Agatha Macbeth: You OK Brucie?
    [ 14:16]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): whispers: Wol or Bleu, would you like to explain what is needed?
    [ 14:16]  Agatha Macbeth: Nice of you to drop in
    [ 14:16]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): ok sure
    [ 14:16]  Wol Euler gestures to Bleu to continue.
    [ 14:16]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): the group is losing a 512 tier donation
    [ 14:17]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yikes!
    [ 14:17]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): so we need someone to give a replacement
    [ 14:17]  Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    [ 14:17]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): so we don't have to abandon any land
    [ 14:17]  Mickorod Renard: I am happy to just give..as before but I am best not to get too involved
    [ 14:17]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): if someone or a few can donate 512 tier that would be great
    [ 14:18]  Agatha Macbeth gives Bruce the kiss of life
    [ 14:18]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): we are using donated tier to pay for the group land
    [ 14:18]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I'm willing to skim down my land if that helps, but I'm not sure how it all works
    [ 14:18]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): that's how group land is paid in sl
    [ 14:18]  Zen (zen.arado): money or land?
    [ 14:18]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): tier
     
    [ 14:18]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): so for example
    [ 14:18]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): Eliza's land is 1024 sq m
    [ 14:18]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): it doesn't include your 512?
    [ 14:19]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): or does
    [ 14:19]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): if not you could have 1024 plus 512
    [ 14:19]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): this is an example only
    [ 14:19]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes I think it does... would have to change things... not sure
    [ 14:19]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): I don't know the details
    [ 14:19]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): just throwing out there - if it was a situation where some would combine
    [ 14:19]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): as a premium member you get a free 512
    [ 14:19]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): if you buy land at a certain tier level
    [ 14:20]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): you get that plus your free 512
    [ 14:20]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): if you buy it for a group
    [ 14:20]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): you get an extra 10% for the group
    [ 14:20]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): so a 512 donated to a group becomes 563
    [ 14:20]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): clear as mud?
    [ 14:20]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bbbuuuzzz
    [ 14:20]  Wol Euler smiles.
    [ 14:20]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): not sure why it has to be so confusing ... but that's LL
    [ 14:21]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): "I am not programmed to respond to that question"
    [ 14:21]  Zen (zen.arado): so you need a donation of land?
    [ 14:21]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): so we (PaB group) needs a replacement donation of 512
    [ 14:21]  Wol Euler: yes
    [ 14:21]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): tier only
    [ 14:21]  Wol Euler: well no
    [ 14:21]  Zen (zen.arado): ok
    [ 14:21]  Wol Euler: not land as such
    [ 14:21]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): right
    [ 14:21]  Wol Euler: tier, the *right* to own land
    [ 14:21]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): tier is used to pay for the land we own
    [ 14:21]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): as a group
    [ 14:22]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): so we had enough to pay for our land until we lost a 512 donation
    [ 14:22]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): so we need a replacement
    [ 14:22]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): or we need to drop some land
     
     
    [ 14:22]  Zen (zen.arado): if I donated my 512 I wouldn't have any land of my own then?
    [ 14:22]  Wol Euler: you would not have any free land of your onw
    [ 14:22]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): right Zen, unless you bought some
    [ 14:22]  Wol Euler: own
    [ 14:23]  Wol Euler: you can have as much as you wish, as long as you pay for it.
    [ 14:23]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): So that's something for the group to consider. The WG will make a final call about it if no one steps forward with donation or other ideas
    [ 14:23]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): we could also take smaller donations from a few that add up to 512
    [ 14:24]  Mickorod Renard: when did we start funding it ourselves? I forgot
     
    Regarding the deadline, there was some confusion in the following conversation. What you need to know is that yes, we have to sort this out before the 14th!
     
    [ 14:24]  stevenaia Michinaga: we need to do this by the 15th?  is that correct?
    [ 14:24]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): before the 14th
    [ 14:24]  Wol Euler: 14th
    [ 14:24]  stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    [ 14:24]  Agatha Macbeth: 14th
    [ 14:24]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): not sure when the group pay date is?
    [ 14:25]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): if we lose the 512 before our pay date, we won't have enough to pay for all the group land
    [ 14:25]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): and LL will get after us
    [ 14:25]  Wol Euler: I'm not sure that matters, bleu. The significant date is the 14th
    [ 14:25]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): >chomp<
    [ 14:25]  Wol Euler: after that we have too little coverage
    [ 14:25]  Mickorod Renard: how much in real money would cover it for a year?
    [ 14:25]  Wol Euler: money doesn't help, mick
    [ 14:25]  stevenaia Michinaga: paydate appears to be the 21st
    [ 14:25]  Mickorod Renard: ah ok
    [ 14:25]  Wol Euler: we really do need tier
    [ 14:26]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): ok so we have until the 21st to figure it out
    [ 14:26]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): is offline.
    [ 14:26]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): has to be enough tier in account on the 21st to pay for our land
    [ 14:26]  Elan (elanvitalo): (Brucie crashed, sry)....
    [ 14:26]  Wol Euler: bleu, I am not certain that that is true. can we PLEASE try to solve this no later than the 14th?
    [ 14:26]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): is online.
    [ 14:26]  Wol Euler: wb bruce
    [ 14:26]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): wb Bruce
    [ 14:27]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yw.
    [ 14:27]  Mickorod Renard: and i guess, if we downsize we loose prim?
    [ 14:27]  Zen (zen.arado): what happens if no tier is forthcoming?
    [ 14:27]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes, we lose prims too
    [ 14:27]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): then we drop a bit of land, Zen
    [ 14:27]  Wol Euler: basically the Lab becomes unhappy and takes steps against us, I don't know what that means or what their timetable would be
    [ 14:27]  Mickorod Renard: is it the prims or the land that is critical?
    [ 14:28]  Wol Euler: tier
    [ 14:28]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): if there isn't enough tier in the account when pay up date comes LL will send us a note
    [ 14:28]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): and give us time to add tier
    [ 14:28]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): I think 7 days or so
    [ 14:28]  Wol Euler: good, ty
    [ 14:29]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): so we should keep our pay date in mind
    [ 14:29]  Wol Euler: in the interests of completion, the land we would lose is worth 117 prims; we would have that much fewer to play with
    [ 14:29]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): right
    [ 14:29]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray) listens and learns.
    [ 14:29]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): and since we're already using it ... some trees have to fall :)
    [ 14:30]  stevenaia Michinaga: sigh
    [ 14:30]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): deforestation.
    [ 14:30]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yikes!
    [ 14:30]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
    [ 14:30]  Zen (zen.arado): so we are near the limit?
    [ 14:30]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): we are in Mieum, but have some in Bieup still
     
     
    [ 14:31]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): there are also discussions also, about making a way to give permissions for non guardians to rehearse in the theater space, so would be nice not to lose prims
    [ 14:31]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but,  the group will adapt
    [ 14:31]  Wol Euler: yes, a theatre without props and scenery on stage would be a bit grim
    [ 14:31]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): right would be best to keep the prims in Bieup
    [ 14:31]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so it isn't an "emergency" as such but would be nice to stay with cushion
    [ 14:31]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes
    [ 14:31]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): nothing is really an emergency
    [ 14:32]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles
    [ 14:32]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): just a reshuffling of sorts
    [ 14:32]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): and a few less prims somewhere
    [ 14:32]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks for the explanation
     
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    Workable Thoughts
     
    [ 14:32]  Mickorod Renard: has anyone got a ..sort of..workable thought in their head?
    [ 14:32]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): "workable thought" - interesting phrase
    [ 14:33]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray) loves pragmatism.
    [ 14:33]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
    [ 14:33]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): but not deforestation.
    [ 14:33]  Wol Euler: there is one very simple workable thought: somebody who has a premium account and does not yet own land, donates their 512 sq m to us.
    [ 14:33]  Wol Euler: that is simple and instant
    [ 14:33]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): for anyone who wants all the actual numbers we can paste them into the log
    [ 14:33]  Wol Euler: and workable.
    [ 14:33]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): right Wol :)
    [ 14:33]  Mickorod Renard: thanks Wol
    [ 14:33]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray) nods, holds breath.
    [ 14:34]  Mickorod Renard: so for me to help I would need to go premium
    [ 14:34]  Wol Euler: exactly
    [ 14:34]  Mickorod Renard: thinks
    [ 14:34]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): or a few people who have some odd sizes of tier they're not using
    [ 14:34]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods
    [ 14:34]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I'll ask that everyone reads this log so that some not present can consider as well
    [ 14:35]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): ok good
    [ 14:35]  Mickorod Renard: i have so far steered clear of buying into sl premium...although i have happily paid tier as an independant
    [ 14:35]  Zen (zen.arado): I could donate my 512 but I need somewhere to test my stream is working sometimes
    [ 14:35]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): you are already 'the' media guy here, Zen
    [ 14:35]  Wol Euler: technically we only need 502, because we have 10 spare
    [ 14:36]  Wol Euler: so you could keep .. well, multiple of four ... 8 sq m for your own use :)
    [ 14:36]  Zen (zen.arado): :))
    [ 14:36]  Zen (zen.arado): great :)
     
    [ 14:36]  Agatha Macbeth: How many prim is that? :p
    [ 14:36]  Wol Euler grins.
    [ 14:36]  Wol Euler: approximately zero, aggers
    [ 14:36]  Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    [ 14:36]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hm
    [ 14:36]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): hm
    [ 14:36]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) giggles softly
    [ 14:36]  Wol Euler: sorry, one.
    [ 14:36]  Wol Euler: one prim
    [ 14:37]  Agatha Macbeth: He could rez a box then
    [ 14:37]  Wol Euler: an empty one, yes
    [ 14:37]  Wol Euler smiles.
    [ 14:37]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! :D :p :D :p :D
    [ 14:37]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): I think the 10 includes the 10% though
    [ 14:37]  Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    [ 14:37]  Wol Euler: oh let me check
    [ 14:37]  Wol Euler: you may be right
    [ 14:38]  Wol Euler: damn, you're right
    [ 14:38]  Wol Euler: there is NO spare
    [ 14:38]  Wol Euler: we need it all
    [ 14:38]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): tricky
    [ 14:38]  Wol Euler: sorry
    [ 14:38]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): np
    [ 14:38]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): been there many times lol
    [ 14:38]  Agatha Macbeth: Tricksy
     
     
    [ 14:38]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so some follow up is needed.... figuring it out before that date...
    [ 14:39]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): could have another guardian meeting next week, though I wouldn't be able to be here... but I'm not our tech genius, so :)
    [ 14:39]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): I think we can do this via emails?
    [ 14:39]  Wol Euler: I think that is a good idea, to keep it moving forward
    [ 14:39]  Wol Euler: (meeting)
    [ 14:40]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and in the meantime could try to have some messages including those possibly willing to help, included with WG emails
    [ 14:40]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): like Zen and Mick?
    [ 14:40]  Mickorod Renard: :)
    [ 14:40]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): on the 21st we won't have enough tier to pay for our land so we need to either get 512 tier donation or drop land before that [see note above - daate is 14th]
    [ 14:40]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods... so an ongoing conversation seems important
    [ 14:40]  Wol Euler: so it would be REALLY good to have this solved by the 14th, so there is no gap
    [ 14:41]  Mickorod Renard: its not the paying but the being a premium that i fight against a lil
    [ 14:41]  Agatha Macbeth: Mind the gap
     
     
    [ 14:41]  Korel Laloix: Off to do that RL thing.. Happy Halo ween and All Saints' Day.
    [ 14:41]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Have fun Kori
    [ 14:41]  Wol Euler: have fun, korel!
    [ 14:41]  Agatha Macbeth: Behave yourself
    [ 14:41]  Zen (zen.arado): that's an expensive step Mick
    [ 14:41]  Korel Laloix: ciao
    [ 14:41]  Korel Laloix: is offline.
    [ 14:41]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye Kori
    [ 14:41]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): bye, Kori.
    [ 14:41]  stevenaia Michinaga: bye Korel
    [ 14:41]  Zen (zen.arado): bye Kori
    [ 14:41]  Mickorod Renard: bye kori
     
    [ 14:41]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Okay, for now shall we move onto the next item? Less technical and more fun... ideas stirring for new project
    [ 14:42]  Mickorod Renard: kk
    [ 14:42]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): yep
    [ 14:42]  Wol Euler listens.
    [ 14:42]  Agatha Macbeth gets a spoon
    [ 14:42]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): kk.
    [ 14:42]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Glad Raffi is here.... cause she started an email discussion similar...
    [ 14:42]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): would you all enjoy an art project for december?
    [ 14:42]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): an art project?
    [ 14:42]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): if so, an email coming soon :)
    [ 14:43]  Wol Euler: I would say yes, but I can't actively participate, I am caught up in two competitions at work which will take me right up to the 23rd
    [ 14:43]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): would it be better to wait until after the 1st of the year?
    [ 14:43]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I like the way the projects and celebrating of the projects has given us reasons to meet
    [ 14:43]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I would enjuoy a December project.
    [ 14:43]  Wol Euler: not if others are willing :)
    [ 14:43]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): or a January project - doesn't matter to moi.
    [ 14:44]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): OK with either too
    [ 14:44]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but we would start December?
    [ 14:44]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray) nods, appreciatively (if that's a word).
    [ 14:44]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): could start in dec and go into jan?
    [ 14:44]  Agatha Macbeth: It is
    [ 14:44]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): sounds good to me
    [ 14:44]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ty, aggers.
    [ 14:44]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): ok good
    [ 14:44]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yay, ty
    [ 14:45]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): watch for a project email soon
    [ 14:45]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Great!
     
     
    [ 14:45]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Does anyone have other items?
    [ 14:45]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): just to say ...
    [ 14:45]  Agatha Macbeth: Amy updates on the new WG?
    [ 14:45]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): when you leave here TP out
    [ 14:45]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I hope that no one minds my buddy Elan auditing our meeting today.
    [ 14:45]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): or fall to the ground :)
    [ 14:46]  Mickorod Renard: :)
    [ 14:46]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
    [ 14:46]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Don't mind at all
    [ 14:46]  Elan (elanvitalo): I appreciate your inviting me, Brucie.
     
    WG - Welcome Aggers! :) 
     
    [ 14:46]  stevenaia Michinaga: yes, any volunteers  for the WG
    [ 14:46]  Elan (elanvitalo): ty.
    [ 14:46]  stevenaia Michinaga: great fun
    [ 14:46]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Elan is regular at sessions :)
    [ 14:46]  Elan (elanvitalo) nods.
    [ 14:46]  Elan (elanvitalo): (wanted to show off my human mask).
    [ 14:47]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): hehe
    [ 14:47]  Agatha Macbeth: EEK!
    [ 14:47]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so far new WG is same folks, with one potential I'm harrassing in IM right now
    [ 14:47]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)))
    [ 14:48]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
    [ 14:48]  stevenaia Michinaga: :), you little arm twister
    [ 14:48]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) giggles
    [ 14:48]  stevenaia Michinaga: Eliza, the heavy in our group
    [ 14:48]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): we still have to figure out somewhat predictable meeting times, but we settled into a good time for a while there
    [ 14:48]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): Eliza ... the hammer
    [ 14:48]  Agatha Macbeth: The heavy what?
    [ 14:49]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) laughs
    [ 14:49]  stevenaia Michinaga: the heavy hand of the WG
    [ 14:49]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yeah sure
     
    [ 14:49]  Agatha Macbeth: Aphie!
    [ 14:49]  Zen (zen.arado): Hi Aph
    [ 14:49]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Aph!
    [ 14:49]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Aph
    [ 14:49]  Agatha Macbeth: Happy birthday (belatedly)
    [ 14:49]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): witchy woman
    [ 14:49]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Heya, Aph!
    [ 14:49]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello Aph! :)
    [ 14:49]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hiya
    [ 14:49]  stevenaia Michinaga: time to go, see you all soon
    [ 14:49]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye Stevie, ty for being here
    [ 14:49]  Wol Euler: bye stevie, take care
    [ 14:49]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): ok bye Steve
    [ 14:50]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): s8igh
    [ 14:50]  Mickorod Renard: bye stevie
    [ 14:50]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye steve
    [ 14:50]  Zen (zen.arado): ok byee all
    [ 14:50]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): bye steve.
    [ 14:50]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye Zen too!
    [ 14:50]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye Zen! :)
    [ 14:50]  Wol Euler: bye zen
    [ 14:50]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and all those who must go :)
    [ 14:50]  Mickorod Renard: bye zen
    [ 14:50]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): bye, Zen-ji.
     
    [ 14:50]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I just have to run out to buy candy before nightfall
    [ 14:50]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): me too
    [ 14:50]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): kk
    [ 14:50]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): are we done?
    [ 14:50]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray) ponders putting thing off to the last minute.
    [ 14:51]  Mickorod Renard: I am in the middle of a firework display
    [ 14:51]  Wol Euler smiles.
    [ 14:51]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray) dies from laughing....
    [ 14:51]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): pants on fire?
     
     
    [ 14:51]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Aggers has gracefully decided to join our little WG gathering
    [ 14:51]  Raffila Millgrove: ok well thank you everyone for your  hard work.
    [ 14:51]  Wol Euler cheers!
    [ 14:51]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): yay!!
    [ 14:51]  Wol Euler: well done, that girl.
    [ 14:51]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ***** APPLAUSE! *****
    [ 14:51]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ***** APPLAUSE! *****
    [ 14:51]  Mickorod Renard: nearly got blown up
    [ 14:52]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks Agatha :)
    [ 14:52]  Agatha Macbeth: Graceful moi
    [ 14:52]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): what did I miss?
    [ 14:52]  Wol Euler: take a bow
    [ 14:52]  Mickorod Renard: thanks everyone
    [ 14:52]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks Mick! Raffi!
    [ 14:52]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye all..have a nice day/evening! :)
    [ 14:52]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): bye, Xir-ji.
    [ 14:52]  Mickorod Renard: bye xir
    [ 14:52]  Agatha Macbeth: Hasta porno
    [ 14:52]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Bye Xiri :))
     
     
    [ 14:52]  Wol Euler: I shall move on too, I have to work tomorrow
    [ 14:53]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Aph, plenty of things... will have to read log please
    [ 14:53]  Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    [ 14:53]  Mickorod Renard: ok,,I had better go,,and focus on whats goin on here
    [ 14:53]  Wol Euler: remember to set your clocks back, north americans!
    [ 14:53]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): OK nite Wol
    [ 14:53]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): bye, Wol-ji!
    [ 14:53]  Mickorod Renard: c u soon
    [ 14:53]  Agatha Macbeth: Make sure it doesn't fall down
    [ 14:53]  Mickorod Renard: byeeeeee
    [ 14:53]  Wol Euler: glad to have you rejoining the entire rest of the world, timewise :)
    [ 14:53]  Wol Euler: /me grins.
    [ 14:53]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) laughs
    [ 14:53]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray) makes not about setting clocks back.
    [ 14:53]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): also note.
    [ 14:53]  Wol Euler: <3
    [ 14:54]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks everyone :)
     
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    [ 14:54]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): now if we would just join the rest of the world with the metric system.
    [ 14:54]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): BOO all ... bye for now
    [ 14:54]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Thank you, Eliza.
    [ 14:54]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): there was a pres candidate whose platform was just that
    [ 14:54]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): probably Sanders (?)
    [ 14:55]  Agatha Macbeth: Metric or treat
    [ 14:55]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Boo Bleu
    [ 14:55]  Agatha Macbeth: Boo Bleuji
    [ 14:55]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): bye, Bleu-ji.
    [ 14:55]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): no I think, um... searches memory
    [ 14:55]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Bye Bleu, thanks!!
    [ 14:55]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): happy tricking
    [ 14:55]  Bleu (bleu.oleander): ty!
    [ 14:55]  Agatha Macbeth: Was it JFK, maybe that's why they shot him
    [ 14:55]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): oh dear.
    [ 14:55]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Chaffee
    [ 14:55]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yikes!
    [ 14:55]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): That's been a while, Eliza.
    [ 14:56]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): they didn't ask him about it in the debate I think
    [ 14:56]  Agatha Macbeth: I'd settle for somebody who would get the time synched properly
    [ 14:56]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): OH!  Actually not so long ago.  Just in June 2015.
    [ 14:56]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): "Chafee, a Republican-turned-independent-turned-Democrat, gave a brief and chipper address that called for America to re-engage with "international community" with diplomacy and "symbolic" moves. "
    [ 14:56]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hah right?!
    [ 14:57]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I'm all for it.
    [ 14:57]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I remember when there was a push for it
    [ 14:57]  Agatha Macbeth: Sounds worse than bobbing John
    [ 14:57]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): school was pretty confusing around that time
    [ 14:57]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): just no right hand/left hand coordination, but I agree it would be a positive overall
    [ 14:57]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): expensive, though.
    [ 14:57]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes
    [ 14:57]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): they would have to change temperature, size and distance...
    [ 14:57]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): nods.
    [ 14:58]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): they made signs with both/once upon a time
    [ 14:58]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but then had to remove them
    [ 14:58]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): "new math" hahah
    [ 14:58]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I must go, also.
     
    [ 14:58]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Ah gee... okay taking son to buy candy
    [ 14:58]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Happy Trick or Treating, Eliza.
    [ 14:58]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): nice to see you all
    [ 14:58]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): and thanks, everyone.
    [ 14:59]  Agatha Macbeth: Don't forget George
    [ 14:59]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Bye Bruce
    [ 14:59]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): <3 not me... staying in watching films
    [ 14:59]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Bye for now.
    [ 14:59]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bfn
    [ 14:59]  Agatha Macbeth: Trick or woof
    [ 14:59]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Happy Halloween, George, wherever you are.
    [ 14:59]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): got george a hoodie
    [ 14:59]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but the kids won't let me put it on him
    [ 14:59]  Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    [ 14:59]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I embarrass them
    [ 14:59]  Agatha Macbeth: Does he need one in Florida?
    [ 14:59]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): no, but for inside at night after baths
    [ 15:00]  Agatha Macbeth: Ha
    [ 15:00]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and maybe when we have 3 days of winter
    [ 15:00]  Agatha Macbeth: Hope it has holes for his ears
    [ 15:00]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) grins
    [ 15:00]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): he has such big wonderful ears, eh?
    [ 15:00]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
    [ 15:00]  Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    [ 15:00]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal) is in love
    [ 15:00]  Agatha Macbeth: All the better to listen with
    [ 15:00]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
     
    [ 15:01]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): well, hugs and sweet things
    [ 15:01]  Agatha Macbeth: Tatty bye
    [ 15:01]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): byee
    [ 15:01]  Agatha Macbeth: Bye Aphie
    [ 15:01]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye ladies
    [ 15:01]  Agatha Macbeth: Ride well
     
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