2018.08.09 13:00 - MWRM1 - Shattered by the Question

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza. The comments are by Agatha.

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    Riddle Sideways: Hey Tura
    Tura Brezoianu: hi Riddle
    Tura Brezoianu: Have you watched the film?
    Riddle Sideways: yes. easier then reading yet another book
    --BELL--1.00
    Tura Brezoianu: hi Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello
    Riddle Sideways: Aggers
    Bleu Oleander's current display-name is "Bleu".
    Bleu Oleander: hey all :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Good heavens hello Eos
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Agatha Macbeth: Been a while
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Bleuji
    Riddle Sideways: howdee Bleu and Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Hello earthlings!
    Bleu Oleander: hi Eos :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Good to see you back
    Tura Brezoianu: hi Eos!
    Riddle Sideways: a visitation from beyond
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, long time no real
    Almadi Masala: 's current display-name is "Alma di Masala".
    Agatha Macbeth: Blueberry time
    Bleu Oleander: hi Alma :)
    Riddle Sideways: hi Alma
    Eos Amaterasu: Bleu, Riddle, Ags, Tura
    Almadi Masala: hi Bleu, Agatha, Eos, Riddle, Tura
    Eos Amaterasu: HI Alma
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Alma
    Riddle Sideways: nice way to get turn-out... email to watch a movie
    Eos Amaterasu: I just watched the first half or so of the Meetings movie (got interrupted by long call)
    Agatha Macbeth: Liz is going to be late it seems
    Bleu Oleander: did anyone watch the whole movie?
    Almadi Masala: I did
    Bleu Oleander: what did you think?
    Eos Amaterasu: I saw it in theater ages ago, and since then portions on YouTube, and just now half of it
    Riddle Sideways: yes, the Whole thing
    Eos Amaterasu: How to prune away things as you search?
    Eos Amaterasu: I liked that beginning scene, where the musicians try to play the valley
    Tura Brezoianu: I've watched all of the later version, and I saw the earlie one some years back on a rented DVD
    Bleu Oleander: might some things just naturally fall away ... get replaced by others?
    Eos Amaterasu: It's like singing the song the opens the voice of the valley
    Eos Amaterasu: Yeah, I think there's lots of natural progressions, fallings away
    Eos Amaterasu: That makes traditions possible
    Bleu Oleander: a road show of self discovery
    Almadi Masala: I couldn't help thinking that their search would have been much easier if they had had Google ;)
    Eos Amaterasu: Does the way to wisdom lie through Gooogle?
    Tura Brezoianu: The knowledge that can be found on Google is not the true knowledge. :)
    Riddle Sideways: it might not be the search results, but the path taken on the search
    Eos Amaterasu: The way that can be googled is not the true way
    Bleu Oleander: one could also ask then, what is true knowledge?
    Riddle Sideways: lol
    Almadi Masala: but seriously, today we in the West have much easier access to the traditions and teachings than they did back then
    Eos Amaterasu: How can you tell the ring of truth?
    Tura Brezoianu: in these matters, by testing it against your own experience
    Eos Amaterasu: That's a great point, Alma: we do have access to the world's traditions
    Eos Amaterasu: That notion of the music finding the harmonics in the valley
    Eos Amaterasu: Is that like ringing true?
    Riddle Sideways: yes, after watching, to spent an hour in Wikipedia reading through links
    Riddle Sideways: bouncing through traditions
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Storm
    Riddle Sideways: a Sotrm enters
    Almadi Masala: hi Storm
    Bleu Oleander: hey Storm :) nice flying entrance!
    Riddle Sideways: *Storm
    Tura Brezoianu: There's a huge amount on Google, but there is also a huge amount that has never been on Google, or archive.org, or anywhere on the net
    Storm Nordwind: Hi everyone. :) Sorry late!
    Eos Amaterasu: That's like G opening up old pottery pieces to find hidden docs
    Riddle Sideways: yes, docs Google has not scanned yet
    --BELL--1.15
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Stormy
    Eos Amaterasu: (including all those books it did scan but can not make available)
    Eos Amaterasu: I like this part:
    Eos Amaterasu: 32:00 What are you looking for? I want to know why I’m here. There’s a group of us all shattered by that question.
    Bleu Oleander: are you sure there is a 'why I'm here"?
    Riddle Sideways: main character thought there should be
    Bleu Oleander: just playing Beelzebub's advocate :)
    Eos Amaterasu: That's a quote from the movie
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Bleu Oleander: its a valid question, actually both are
    Eos Amaterasu: Ultimately the question precedes the answer, so to speak
    Eos Amaterasu: Ie, the answer misleads
    Eos Amaterasu: I'm not sure there's a why there
    Almadi Masala: and who or what is the "I" that is here? and are we sure it really exists?
    Bleu Oleander: its maybe rather a search for meaning more than a why?
    Eos Amaterasu: the diff being?
    Agatha Macbeth: I think he called it a Search for truth
    Bleu Oleander: we can give our lives meaning ... but doesn't necessarily point to an ultimate 'why'
    Eos Amaterasu: so it's like the truth is in now, rather than before or after
    Almadi Masala: if there is an ultimate why, I doubt that it can be expressed in human conceptual terms
    Eos Amaterasu: But could we create a basket to hold that non-conceptual truth?
    Bleu Oleander: what's a non-conceptual truth?
    Riddle Sideways: he felt an emptyness and wanted to know what should be there
    Eos Amaterasu: Beethoven Piano Sonata Opus 111
    Almadi Masala: a truth that cannot be captured or expressed in words or concepts
    Bleu Oleander: technically that would still be a concept
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Tell that to Gödel
    Riddle Sideways: when he gets here
    Agatha Macbeth: Waiting for Gödel?
    Bleu Oleander: just reading a good book, 'when Godel walked with Einstein'
    Eos Amaterasu: ha ha
    Bleu Oleander: actually its 'when Einstein walked with Godel' by Jim Holt
    Eos Amaterasu: Actually that's interesting, cause he basically showed that any truth system can express things that can't have backing "why" concepts
    Eos Amaterasu: ie, non-conceptual
    Eos Amaterasu: Why did they cross the road?
    Almadi Masala: Godel was talking about formal systems like math and logic ... is there any truth to be found outside such systems?
    Bleu Oleander: the subtitle is 'excursions to the edge of thought' ... so maybe non-conceptual is somewhere at the edge of thought?
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, good question, lots of arguments about that
    Eos Amaterasu: Godel was actually a religious person
    Eos Amaterasu: He did believe in in-expressible "things"
    Almadi Masala: hi Eliza
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Liz
    Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza :)
    Storm Nordwind: Eliza! :)
    Riddle Sideways: Eliza, with bells on toes
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Everyone :) So sorry to be so late... took 40 minutes to sign on :(
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Riddle Sideways: we can start now
    Eos Amaterasu: 40-factor authentication
    Eliza Madrigal: something like that :))
    Eliza Madrigal listens to catch the stream
    Agatha Macbeth: NC coming up
    Almadi Masala: they wanted to be sure you really wanted to sign on
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Aggers
    Eliza Madrigal laughs... it felt like the old days of waiting for the handshake
    --BELL--1.30
    Almadi Masala: the edge of thought is where the conceptual and the non-conceptual interact
    Eos Amaterasu: also the perimeter of the expanding sphere of knowledge where it meets the unknown
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Feynman loved that edge, said that's why he always felt stupid
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Riddle Sideways: is Hypnogogy one of those edges too? or a twist
    Eos Amaterasu: an edge with a twist
    Eos Amaterasu: cause I think you go thru different modalities of being aware
    Eliza Madrigal smiles at Godel with a twist, and thinks feeling "shattered by the question" and "stupid" may be quite similar
    Eos Amaterasu: shattered is possibly more awake :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Let's twist again
    Almadi Masala: I'd like my ice tea with a mobius twist of lemon, please
    Eos Amaterasu: and shout
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
    Eliza Madrigal laughs, this is nice :)
    Storm Nordwind: S'hattered implies having something already to shatter. Stupid may not even have got that far. :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ha
    Almadi Masala: could stupid be something like beginner's mind?
    Riddle Sideways: yep
    Eos Amaterasu: Keep trying things that shatter along with you
    Eliza Madrigal: was thinking that... the 'over my head but sure feels nice' feeling
    Bleu Oleander: who's judging?
    Riddle Sideways: Being Aware
    Eliza Madrigal: it is interesting to consider these explorers though, having so little to go on, yet still finding the edges to explore
    Eliza Madrigal: in some ways I think we seem to have access to so much but it is still the same process?
    Eliza Madrigal: weeding through
    Eos Amaterasu: As it says in the movie...
    Eos Amaterasu: 53:50 What exercise can help me feel myself in a new way? Stop all your exercises.
    Riddle Sideways: access to so many paved paths and still have to walk
    Tura Brezoianu: "Let God kill him who does not know, but presumes to show others the way."
    Eos Amaterasu: hmmm
    Tura Brezoianu: "Your only hope is to find a place where knowledge has been kept alive."
    Eos Amaterasu: Where have you foiund that knowledge is kept alive (for you)?
    Eliza Madrigal: that does resonate
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Almadi Masala: interesting, the notion that knowledge is a living thing
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm, yes
    Bleu Oleander: I hope so
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, speaks to that distinction between knowing 'about' and stepping into 'knowing'
    Almadi Masala: not some formula that you can just copy out of a book
    Tura Brezoianu: There's a personal development course I did, that I think I've mentioned before. I think the founder did have something.
    Tura Brezoianu: But how well it has been kept alive since he died I'm not sure of.
    Eos Amaterasu: Ah that's the thing with all old wisdoms, isn't it?
    Agatha Macbeth: New wisdoms for old
    Tura Brezoianu: The student so rarely surpasses the master.
    Eliza Madrigal: each lives in a different time as well
    Eliza Madrigal: what is needed has to come in its time? that's part of what makes it alive?
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, the world cord is tied afresh
    Eliza Madrigal: she says as someone always reading wise old teachers :)
    Bleu Oleander: questioning everything for yourself makes it fresh and alive
    Eliza Madrigal: ah :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Tura Brezoianu: Circumstances change, the "baraka" moves on, and the teaching must arise somewhere else, in another form. At least, that was a theme of both Gurdjieff and Idries Shah.
    --BELL--1.45
    Eliza Madrigal: recognitions
    Riddle Sideways: was thinking about similar myths across religions, Googled Joseph Campbell and Gurdjieff. now have another hundred articles to read
    Eliza Madrigal: Did Campbell mention Gurdjieff?
    Eos Amaterasu: is that like all those books in the early part of the movie?
    Tura Brezoianu: Here's a thought from Basho: "Do not seek the footsteps of the wise; seek what they sought."
    Riddle Sideways: good
    Eos Amaterasu: "That path is for your steps alone" - GD
    Eliza Madrigal: So each of us here seems to find joy in the questing
    Eliza Madrigal: and yet what about that sense of still looking... or remembering something that was?
    Bleu Oleander: more fun than the answering :)
    Tura Brezoianu: And a saying from the 60s: "Don't go on someone else's trip." I am seeing some convergence here.
    Eos Amaterasu: There is an itch....
    Eliza Madrigal smiles and remembers Eos quoting, "The trip is, this is the trip" ... or some such :))
    Riddle Sideways: a conspiracy or a therory of
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Riddle Sideways: a Doors song
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: 52:05 Knowing directly: not even a thought stands between you and the thing you know.
    Almadi Masala: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: Which seems to imply non-conceptuallity lets you see directly
    Almadi Masala: don't mistake the thought for the thing itself
    Eliza Madrigal nods... there does seem to be some joy in moving with and in the stream, but also times when one can't feel whether they are or not
    Eliza Madrigal: when the quest might become a mad one?
    Eos Amaterasu: Sometimes time to suddenly change course
    Almadi Masala: sometimes the quest forces you to stop, like when they were sitting on the ground surrounded by those dogs
    Eliza Madrigal: that was a striking scene
    Eliza Madrigal: although many of the dogs seemed very friendly :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Woof
    Almadi Masala: friendly, as long as they stayed sitting
    Eos Amaterasu: Have any of you practiced "the work"?
    Eos Amaterasu: Ie, Gurdjieffian practice
    Riddle Sideways: and the many dancing practices were amazing
    Eliza Madrigal: liked those, drawn to that kind of thing
    Tura Brezoianu: I've never had contact with any Gurdjieff group. I'd go along in a shot if I came across anything in my neighbourhood.
    Riddle Sideways: for ref: fourhwaywork.net/index.php?Template=13
    Tura Brezoianu: *fourthway.net
    Riddle Sideways: *fourth
    Eliza Madrigal: whenever Gurdjieff is mentions, enneagrams seem to be what comes to mind, the maps and that kind of thing... but maybe without a sense of insight into what was trying to be shown
    Eliza Madrigal: mentioned*
    Agatha Macbeth: There used to be someone in SL who did enneagram classes
    Tura Brezoianu: The film shows the symbol a few times, but doesn't explore it.
    Eos Amaterasu: Yeah, he was very much into "wake up!", and drop the enslaving/mechanistic mind-body ways
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes! 'self remembering' which was touched on a bit in 99 days. I think that's the most accessible ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Also the most "PaB' like, at first glance
    Almadi Masala: in the 99 days, both Zen and I were reading a book by Charles Tart about the Gurdjieffian work
    Almadi Masala: I worked with some of the exercises, but didn't get very deeply into it
    --BELL--2.00
    Bleu Oleander: interesting: http://www.gurdjieff-foundation-newyork.org/
    Eliza Madrigal doesn't dare click any links but will see after session :) ty
    Eliza Madrigal: Have you had time to reflect on those exercises since then, Alma? Have they stayed with you?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hang in there Liz
    Bleu Oleander: this was interesting too: http://realityofbeing.org/index.html (for later)
    Almadi Masala: I'm afraid not, Eliza. My mind has been in a very scattered state lately
    Agatha Macbeth: Mine always is
    Eliza Madrigal: hugs
    Riddle Sideways: but not shattered
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Bleu Oleander: must have an orderly desk :)
    Almadi Masala: schattered :)
    Eos Amaterasu: tranforming scattered into shattered
    Riddle Sideways: that edge
    Storm Nordwind: tattered into mattered
    Almadi Masala: the chattering mind scatters and shatters
    Eos Amaterasu: Room full of Mirrors
    Bleu Oleander: creates too sometimes :)
    Bleu Oleander: nice to see you all ... take care :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Ciao Bleu
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Eliza Madrigal: nice to see you too Bleu
    Agatha Macbeth: TC Bleuji
    Almadi Masala: bye Bleu
    Riddle Sideways: by
    Bleu Oleander: bye bye
    Riddle Sideways: Bleuji
    Almadi Masala: I have to get going too ... RL tugging at my leash
    Eliza Madrigal: What I felt when watching the film was a bit of nostalgia , maybe trying to impose the sense of the simpler time
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Alma, glad you made it today
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Alma
    Agatha Macbeth: BFN
    Eliza Madrigal: sorry to miss so much
    Almadi Masala: bye all
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Eliza Madrigal: it wasn't a simpler time for the questers of course, but... I just wanted to stop and stay a while somewhere
    Eliza Madrigal: nothing about but others with shattering questions
    Eos Amaterasu: say more?
    Eliza Madrigal: the sense of deeply stopping
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe some dancing :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Arundhati Roy:
    Eos Amaterasu: How to tell a shattered story? By slowly becoming everybody. No. By slowly becoming everything.
    Riddle Sideways: a simpler time, when stopping was possible
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe 'tuning' is a good word
    Eliza Madrigal: the dancing in the film reminds me of that
    Eos Amaterasu: Like harmonics in music in valley?
    Riddle Sideways: finding the exact pitch
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, nods.. the stopping is like that
    Riddle Sideways: finding the lost chord
    Agatha Macbeth: In your pyjamas
    Eliza Madrigal: then the 'becoming everything' is not like seeking
    Eliza Madrigal grins at Agatha :)
    Riddle Sideways: laughs, when got it
    Eos Amaterasu: like becoming the matrix
    Agatha Macbeth looks cross eyed at Liz
    Eos Amaterasu: the mother luminosity
    Riddle Sideways: The "you already are" moment
    Riddle Sideways: (out of context, so please put where it belongs) :))
    Eliza Madrigal: and nostalgia a memory of first knowing
    Eliza Madrigal: rather than something saying 'you're not there'
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: nostalgia for the present?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes so why should it feel anything but joyous?
    Riddle Sideways: liked the part where the crazy guy tells him to wander the desert and a guide will happen along
    --BELL--2.15
    Eliza Madrigal: :) sometimes they do
    Eliza Madrigal: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds a bit Castaneda
    Eliza Madrigal: does
    Eliza Madrigal: dreamy shaman kind of sensibility ... is that why you brought up hypnagogia before Riddle?
    Tura Brezoianu: "when the student is ready, the teacher appears"
    Riddle Sideways: brought up because of edges of thought.. and the number of those edges
    Eos Amaterasu: and the different forms on each side of the edge
    Riddle Sideways: fascinating stuff
    Storm Nordwind: Hypnagogia... That is when most of my poetry emerges - in complete darkness on the edge of sleep - to be crafted in the wakeful hours of the morning.
    Eliza Madrigal: stirring before waking, Storm?
    Riddle Sideways: write asleep, edit awake
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Storm Nordwind: In the morning, my job is to decipher the scrawlings :)
    Riddle Sideways: fun
    Eliza Madrigal: treasures out of darkness
    Storm Nordwind: Magnifying glass at the ready
    Eos Amaterasu: Jewels hiding machine elves
    Storm Nordwind: Even the ritual of burning the stuff afterward can be useful ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) some kind of offering?
    Storm Nordwind: More like some kind of trash removal ;)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: humans need to be deeply in touch with the dark I think... I begin to lose my wonder when not sleeping deeply, resting deeply
    Eliza Madrigal: still spot, tuning :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Couldn't imagine you ever losing your wonder
    Eos Amaterasu: deeply rooted arc of awakening, need to go all the way to that root
    Eos Amaterasu: After all, there's those 16 Trillion or so bacteria that help make me up
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Storm Nordwind: Wonder requires indirect energy. You have to have enough energy to clear the empty space for it. If you're tired that's hard.
    Eos Amaterasu: "energy to clear the empty space "
    Eos Amaterasu: nice
    Eliza Madrigal: nods, does seem like that... can't get there conceptually
    Eos Amaterasu: also allowance to allow that clearing
    Eos Amaterasu: willingness to rest: resting energy?
    Eliza Madrigal: priority too
    Eos Amaterasu: Our media attack that resting state
    Eliza Madrigal: stubbornness to value
    Eliza Madrigal nods, certainly
    Eliza Madrigal: see many of us developing various strategies, but big shifting
    Riddle Sideways: does it show?
    Eliza Madrigal: Tura, you mentioned before... were you talking about 'Lifeshocks'?
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Riddle
    Tura Brezoianu: That's the book I mentioned a week or two ago. It about the same personal development thing I mentioned.
    Eliza Madrigal: I can't get the word out of my mind, but not having read the book I'm probably imposing it wrongly :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but it implies seismic shifting?
    --BELL--2.30
    Eos Amaterasu: "collision points between how we see life and how life actually is"
    Tura Brezoianu: The word, as it's used there, means something that happens that you have an immediate emotional reaction to.
    Tura Brezoianu: Exactly Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: gut wrenching shift?
    Tura Brezoianu: They're opportunities to observe one's reactive self.
    Tura Brezoianu: They can be small things as well, or big ones.
    Tura Brezoianu: Because once you start exploring one, and tug on threads, a whole avalanche of stuff can come out.
    Storm Nordwind: Alternative interpretation on first hearing the title: the habitual processes we use to cushion our responses when interacting with the rough road of life. (shock absorbers)
    Eos Amaterasu: hmmm
    Eos Amaterasu: Thanks AVs for chat!
    Eliza Madrigal: So nice to see you Eos, visit us soon again :)
    Riddle Sideways: gtsy Eos
    Tura Brezoianu: bye Eos
    Agatha Macbeth: Good to see you again :)
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Eos Amaterasu: Ciao ciao!
    Eliza Madrigal: shocks are collective too, I imagine
    Eliza Madrigal: what if what we realize is, "Oh wait I don't have enough absorbers!"
    Tura Brezoianu: You can ask, "what would happen then?"
    Storm Nordwind: Then I'll need something for the headache afterwards
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Tura Brezoianu: And "is that belief true?"
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah
    Riddle Sideways: so if you don't have enough absorbers for the speed bumps
    Riddle Sideways: maybe slow down
    Storm Nordwind: Yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: wisdom :)
    Riddle Sideways: nahh
    Eliza Madrigal: Appreciate everyone lingering today, had intended a bit more of a structure but this was lovely
    Eliza Madrigal: thank you
    Eliza Madrigal: my buffers :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe the structure got shattered
    Eliza Madrigal: wisdom of the moment
    Storm Nordwind: a smattering of wisdom
    Riddle Sideways: hard to have structure with Agatha and Riddle here
    Agatha Macbeth: True dat
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Eliza Madrigal smiles thinking of all the possible titles Agatha will have to face
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh one usually leaps out
    Storm Nordwind: And that itself is another one "all the possible titles Agatha will have to face"
    Eliza Madrigal: so true :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I could call it a Horse a Jug and a Spoon come to that
    Storm Nordwind: Local pub?
    Agatha Macbeth: Old Monty Python joke
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Agatha Macbeth: None of which has anything to do with G of course :p
    Riddle Sideways: completely different
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure we could connect them somehow
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Riddle Sideways: Da Movie
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh you can connect anything if you try enough
    Agatha Macbeth: All things are same thing, and all that
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Not sure whether to suggest another week for the film? We traveled lots of side roads today
    Riddle Sideways: you thought of a main road?
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we were looking for the brotherhood
    Storm Nordwind: I didn't get chance to watch it. A mastodon ate my homework.
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Agatha Macbeth: They do that!
    Riddle Sideways: grins
    Agatha Macbeth: Then get found frozen a few millenia later
    Riddle Sideways: they take the DNA out and make a movie of it
    Eliza Madrigal: I thought the main road might be along the lines of individual scenes, and some of those did come up, and lots of quote (thanks for those!)
    Eliza Madrigal: *s
    --BELL--2.45
    Tura Brezoianu: Did anyone else think the monk he first talks with at the Sarmoung monastery looked like the Master?
    Agatha Macbeth: Roger Delgado?
    Riddle Sideways: oh! thought he was
    Eliza Madrigal: I don't remember making that connection
    Agatha Macbeth: A bit yes
    Tura Brezoianu: Yes. Haven't checked the credits to see
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh more like Tony Ainley yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Amazon was selling not renting the film for .99 so I can watch parts again
    Agatha Macbeth: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3trtwx for nothing
    Eliza Madrigal: would that mean he didn't need to make the whole long journey?
    Agatha Macbeth: Like they say maybe the journey's the thing
    Eliza Madrigal: mischief matters :)
    Riddle Sideways: who is this They, you speak of?
    Agatha Macbeth: MJ12
    Riddle Sideways: MJ12
    Riddle Sideways: MJ!@
    Agatha Macbeth: Or the Masons maybe
    Riddle Sideways: darn. wrong keyboard
    Riddle Sideways: more secret communities
    Eliza Madrigal: I think what I was most affected by, was the feeling of shared and individual exploration at once
    Agatha Macbeth: Funny how the enneagram had only four points
    Eliza Madrigal: so each person is on their own quest, or trip, but they are not so inward facing as to be alone
    Tura Brezoianu: Each of the fellows seekers that G travels with eventually go their own way.
    Agatha Macbeth: Like the birds
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: nice way to bring it back :)
    Riddle Sideways: time for birds to leave
    Agatha Macbeth: Did it go away?
    Eliza Madrigal: much appreciation <3
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh much
    Eliza Madrigal: hm I'm floating
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello floating
    Riddle Sideways: not grounded
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe you got enlightened
    Storm Nordwind: The rapture has set in.
    Eliza Madrigal: :))) walking on air
    Eliza Madrigal: bye for now friends <3 see you again soon
    Riddle Sideways: by All
    Tura Brezoianu: bye all
    Agatha Macbeth: May the force be with you

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