The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku.
Riddle, Eden, Eliza, Adams and Agatha. Storm will be joining us a bit later.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eden! Good morning :)
Eden Haiku: Good morning Eliza :) You look sooo elegant. as always :)
Eliza Madrigal: Look who's talking :)
Eden Haiku: An the new hairstyle is fantastic!
Eliza Madrigal: Like this one... wish I could cut RL avatar's hair like this!
Eliza Madrigal: you are very fancy today
Eliza Madrigal: party?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams :)
Eden Haiku: No, not really. Party is tomorrow (for my birthday) and it will be much simpler: a lunch with my younger's brother, his wife. their 4 grandchildren and one of my nieces: )
Adams Rubble: Hello Eden and Eliza :)
Eden Haiku: Hello Adams!
Adams Rubble: Happy almost Birthday eden :)
Eliza Madrigal: What a marvelous summer you're having <3
Eden Haiku: You ladies have to give me some shopping tips, always so cute!!
Eden Haiku: Thank you :)
Eliza Madrigal: Mine is: buy wild items and then add things to make them 'decent' ;-)
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: I am have trouble with mesh clothes so I am not a good example :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Riddle :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :)
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: No mesh tips here either, sadly
Riddle Sideways: hi All
Adams Rubble: I am SOOOO glad to see avatars :)))))
Eden Haiku: Ah! Good tip Eliza. What I find is always too sexy for my taste...
Riddle Sideways: :))))
Eden Haiku: But you had an interesting chat with the Listener Adams :) It was lovely to read!
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Riddle Sideways: mesh? is the topic?
Eden Haiku: Good morning Riddle :))
Adams Rubble: noooooooo
Eden Haiku: Dropping the fashion topic :)
Adams Rubble makes a mesh of things
Riddle Sideways: Adams, thanks for hosting. however, only got to read half of it
Adams Rubble: I have been blogging like crazy the past two weeks
Eden Haiku: Riddle, would you mind exchanging seats with me? I coveat the animation on yours :)
Riddle Sideways: yes, have read most of the bolgs
Adams Rubble: entering my old blogs from various entry points in the reordering
Riddle Sideways: if one clicks follow, they get emailed to ya
Adams Rubble: Some things I had forgotten
Adams Rubble: oh my
Riddle Sideways: a good my
Eden Haiku: smiles
Adams Rubble: in fall 2008 my 2007 self suddenly appeared and I was afraid that I was sliding backwards
Eden Haiku: Scary!
Riddle Sideways: meant to comment back on log that old archives should stay
Adams Rubble: does it wait until the blog post is finished before emailing Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: as is
Riddle Sideways: with typos
Riddle Sideways: since they are the spice
Adams Rubble: I keep adding all day
Adams Rubble: Thanks for the feedback -- has anyone tried to read the old posts?
Adams Rubble: I find it almost impossible
Adams Rubble: reformatting makes it much easier
Riddle Sideways: it helps to have the abbr. list open whilie reading
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: I used some strange ones in the past
Adams Rubble: have to look them up myself
Eliza Madrigal: Has anyone ever emailed you trying to decipher the codes? Someone non-PaB related?
Adams Rubble: In any case my former self appeared because I was drawing from old memory for a project
Eden Haiku: Could'nt find a link to your blog on your profile Adams...
Adams Rubble: so the self appeared with the memory
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha!
Riddle Sideways: Aggers! morning
Adams Rubble: Hello Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth: Afternoon
Eden Haiku: Agatha!!! Welcome!!
Riddle Sideways: glad to see
Agatha Macbeth grins cheesily
Riddle Sideways: looks for cheese
Adams Rubble: just like memory when one switches avatars. If I put down something as Adams Rubble and my rl person is using a different avatar, it may not be found until I am actice again
Adams Rubble: so memory and self are connected it seems
Agatha Macbeth: Wol used to say that too
Adams Rubble: actice-active
Eliza Madrigal: embodied memory
Riddle Sideways: seen that, but not sure how it works
Eden Haiku: All memories lodged in the body...
Agatha Macbeth: Muscle memory?
Eden Haiku: And cells I suppose
Riddle Sideways: and so different body(av) has diff memories
Agatha Macbeth: Pixel memory
Adams Rubble: my rlers 2007 body and 2008 body were unchanged
Eliza Madrigal: It is why when you get a massage or are on vacation, etc., or when you visit a familiar place, memories pop up that haven't at other times
Riddle Sideways: yes
Eden Haiku: ;)
Eden Haiku: yes Eliza...
Agatha Macbeth: Or eat cake
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Riddle Sideways: cake!
Adams Rubble: It bwas the task memory that brought out the old self
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Adams Rubble: started being angry and nasty again
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Eden Haiku: You? no...
Adams Rubble: well we all ganged up on old self
Eden Haiku: LOL
Riddle Sideways: the way thinking of a task in the living room is lost when in the kitchen to get it
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: doors do it
Eden Haiku: ah this, yes :)
Adams Rubble: yes Riddle, why am I out here?
Eden Haiku: blame the doors :)
Riddle Sideways: it is the doors fault
Eliza Madrigal: they get caught on the rugs and thresholds as you cross over
Agatha Macbeth: People are strange
Riddle Sideways: and the laptop does not type as well as the desktop computer
Adams Rubble: there might be an evolutionary reason for it
Adams Rubble: hehe Riddle
Eden Haiku: Tresholds are interesting. They launch us into new adventures
Riddle Sideways: oh goodie, going on a trip
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah man
Eden Haiku: Just noticing Riddle sunglasses :)
Agatha Macbeth: Mr Cool
Riddle Sideways: oh, where did they come from
Agatha Macbeth: You need them in Cali
Just noticing Riddle's sunglasses :)
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: in an hour
Agatha Macbeth: Oh breakfast for you
Riddle Sideways: Just noticed Eliza new body
Agatha Macbeth: She got stretched
Riddle Sideways: that was the mesh talk
Riddle Sideways: sorry beel
Adams Rubble: if one is going on a hunt, on would want the self that is focused on the stalking and killing part while in the community would want the self that is nurturing and caring
Eden Haiku: Oh, I thought only the hairdo was new. But you are right, she grew up a few inches didn,T you Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: :) an older Eliza version
Agatha Macbeth: Must have been in Procrustean bedroom
Eliza Madrigal: but indeed weirdly tall :)
Eden Haiku: smiles at Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth smiles back
Eden Haiku: Different parts useful in different circumstances Adams &
Eden Haiku: That makes sense!
Riddle Sideways: now am stuck with Elmer Fudd voice going Wabbit Wunting
Agatha Macbeth: Personalities for all occasions
Riddle Sideways: yes
Eliza Madrigal: what when they don't listen to central command? :)
Agatha Macbeth: My name is Legion for we are many
Eden Haiku: Is there a central command?
Eden Haiku: Is this You-Know-Who?
Eliza Madrigal: "You are the writer, you go in there and report!" "I'm the writer but that's because you've never acknowledged my desire to paint?" lol
Adams Rubble: I spent a long time exploring that with z-self
Adams Rubble: thought z-self was the boss
Adams Rubble: turned out z-self didn;t want to be a boss just like Pema didn't
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Riddle Sideways: you ain't da boss o me
Eden Haiku: z-self would be the 26th of your alphabetical selves Adams?
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: then he shouldn't have been born with so much pema-ness, hahah
Adams Rubble: lots of A's
Eden Haiku: giggles
Agatha Macbeth: A I'm adorable
Eden Haiku: You are :)
Agatha Macbeth: B I'm so beautiful
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: You are :)
Agatha Macbeth: C we'll forget about
Riddle Sideways: C is for cookie
Agatha Macbeth: Oh sweet yay
Eliza Madrigal: "that's good enough for me"
Riddle Sideways: yes
Eden Haiku: C is for cranky
Agatha Macbeth: With raisins
Agatha Macbeth: YES!
Agatha Macbeth: Definitely moi
Eden Haiku: You are:)
Agatha Macbeth: Merci cherie x
Agatha Macbeth: Did you get married Edie?
Agatha Macbeth: Was wondering about the dress
Eden Haiku: I look like it, but no :)
Agatha Macbeth: What a lovely bride
Eden Haiku: Just quick dressing with item bought called "concerto dress", No violin to go with it though...
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, that makes sense
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Riddle Sideways: bride cloths should be worn more
Riddle Sideways: to the grocery
Agatha Macbeth ponders a bride with a cello
Riddle Sideways: etc
Eden Haiku: laughs at Riddle's suggestion.
Eliza Madrigal tries to remember if there is a grocery store in SL
Eden Haiku: Is there?
Eliza Madrigal: should be!
Riddle Sideways: have seen Quickie Marts
Eden Haiku: Riidle, would man changing seats with me?
Eden Haiku: Would You mind?
Riddle Sideways: ok, but why?
Eliza Madrigal: my perfume is too strong
Eliza Madrigal: ^.^
Eden Haiku: Because I could use the tummy-lay?
Agatha Macbeth: Musical cushions
Riddle Sideways: there
Agatha Macbeth: Dunno what that lay anim isn't in all of them
Eden Haiku: Thank you so much! My bridal skirt looks better this way :)
Eliza Madrigal: Adams, I really admire that you've kept writing all this time. It feels like the roots of PaB in a way
Riddle Sideways: wet sneakers
Agatha Macbeth: You couldn't play the cello like that
Riddle Sideways: hey, this seat lost what we were talkin about
Eden Haiku: Nope...
Agatha Macbeth: Yes agreed Liz
Eliza Madrigal: hahah Riddle
Agatha Macbeth: A wonderful job
Eden Haiku: is your blog the Chronicles Adams?
Eliza Madrigal: I think I still have the post somewhere, where Pema wrote about different kinds of expressions in PaB and how vital they all were/are
Eden Haiku: Or some other body of work?
Eliza Madrigal: "rubblebornthoughts"
Riddle Sideways: .com?
Eden Haiku: Tks Eliza :)
Agatha Macbeth: Not 'worn' as I once said
Adams Rubble: rubblebornthoughts.com
Eliza Madrigal: something like that... am sure can be only one!
Eliza Madrigal: k, ::sits on hands:::
Eden Haiku: Thank you :)
Riddle Sideways: different kinds of expressions
Riddle Sideways: /listens
Adams Rubble: blog bigger than a telephone book, more compelling than the back of a ceral box....
Agatha Macbeth: It's the code that I love
Riddle Sideways: hey, like reading cereal boxes
Eliza Madrigal: especially this deeply in, it is interesting to sort of track the effects of the exploration, although still not too easy :)
Agatha Macbeth: Boxes within boxes
Adams Rubble: you like my blog Riddle (giggles)
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: yes
Riddle Sideways: taken in little bites
Agatha Macbeth: Nybbles
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry that's a little byte
Riddle Sideways: yes
Agatha Macbeth: The byter bit
Eden Haiku: Been typing rubblebornthoughts.com many times and it says the web page isn't available...
Agatha Macbeth is talking drivel again
Riddle Sideways: remember how mad mom was after little me cut the coupon off the cerial box that was not empty yet
Eliza Madrigal: ah, .wordpress.com?
Agatha Macbeth: HA
Agatha Macbeth: Cornflakes on the floor
Adams Rubble: try this Eden:https://rubblebornthoughts.wordpress.com/
Eden Haiku: smiles at little Riddle cutting up cereal box...
Adams Rubble: they are saying the other link is not secure
Riddle Sideways: to learn from mistakes... one has to made all those mistakes (at least once)
Eden Haiku: Oh at last! Thanks Adams!!!
Eliza Madrigal: much prefer to learn 'about' mistakes
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: if it was easy to get to, everybody would be reading it
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Eden Haiku: Wow! Very impressive and it looks as orgnaized as your inventory! Will read with pleasure!
Agatha Macbeth: Like Shambala - hard to find
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: A Shambhala-like blog :))
Agatha Macbeth: Works
Eden Haiku: "A fifteen minute log of a 9-second spiritual journey, or practice at Play-as-Being", how wonderful Adams!
Eden Haiku: Subscribed :)
Riddle Sideways: right... Follow is that other site
Riddle Sideways: anyhow, really like what Eliza has done with the plot
Riddle Sideways: spring flowers
Riddle Sideways: bubbles
Agatha Macbeth: And bubbles
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Eliza Madrigal: *^.^* Thank you Riddle, me too :) Smiley things
Riddle Sideways: dream chairs and boats
Agatha Macbeth: Smiley Liz
Eden Haiku: You are right Riddle. I followed. I translated incorrectly (my wordpress interface is in French).
Agatha Macbeth: Mon dieu
Eliza Madrigal: the animations in the boat, and probably in the tent, need a little (a lot of) work. Not sure if I can put new ones over the old ones, but may try :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm!
Agatha Macbeth: That MUST be Stormy
Eden Haiku: Oh, haven't visited tge plot yet?
Adams Rubble: Hello Storm :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay it is
Riddle Sideways: a Storm in the pond
Eden Haiku: A merman in the pool?
Riddle Sideways: Howdee friend
Agatha Macbeth: The flying Nordwind
Storm Nordwind: Hello! So sorry I'm late
Eden Haiku: Welcome Storm :)
Eden Haiku: We have been discussing the 10th year of Adams's blog
Eden Haiku: What an accomplishment!
Agatha Macbeth: A decade of Rubblery
Riddle Sideways: and how different Alts are different memories, thoughts, etc
Storm Nordwind: Aha. A wonderful thing. And another anniversary to celebrate this week it seems. ;-)
Adams Rubble: Storm was the person who told me I should write down my thoughts every 15 minutes :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Adams Rubble: The blog is all due to ZStorm
Storm Nordwind: So blame me. I see!
Riddle Sideways: aha, blame Storm
Eden Haiku: Not familiar enough with my alts to notice any difference in memories :(
Adams Rubble: ohhh ZStorm like Zself
Agatha Macbeth: The Z axis
Riddle Sideways: the axis jumps off the page
Eliza Madrigal: Eliza inhabits RL now, pretty steadily, in a pretty integrated way...has moved out of SL a bit
Eden Haiku: Blame the tresholds and blame Storm hehe! It seems it was quite a productive idea to wroitev down your thoughts Adams :)
Eden Haiku: *write down
Storm has joined us!
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: was told to write down thoughts also, so wrote on napkins, old envelopes, receipts, white board, etc. etc. Then Pema said to publish them in a blog. looked at the huge pile and said Nah!
Eden Haiku: laughs
Eliza Madrigal: You never opened a blog, Riddle, even in the beginning?
Storm Nordwind: One person's rubbish can be another person's treasure.
Riddle Sideways: for a little while
Eliza Madrigal: I have opened and closed so many, but they've never really flowed. To me it seems such a powerful way to go deeper
Riddle Sideways: the never distributed version of the PaB Gong app allowed storing a Letter
Eliza Madrigal: oooh
Adams Rubble: the blog and avatar made me very uncomfortable which put an edge on the explorations
Riddle Sideways: it had a bug that never got fixed
Adams Rubble: rl interruption. will be back
Riddle Sideways: /listens to more
Eliza Madrigal: I have the email that Pema sent about the forms of PaB, but he doesn't mention blogs in it. I didn't note the date, but I guess he wrote it when people had moved mostly to the wiki
Eden Haiku: Last entry on my blog is on Feb 2 2018. That's quite lazy...
Riddle Sideways: darn, gone
Eliza Madrigal: :) you steadily note in different places, and well, you wrote a book, Eden!
Eden Haiku: Yeah, I'M still old-fashioned :)
Agatha Macbeth: Good
Eliza Madrigal: I remember joining PaB and looking at all the blogs... how differently people were approaching things
Riddle Sideways:these logs of the Star Ship PaB and it's 5-year mission to explore the spaces between thoughts
Eliza Madrigal: trying to figure out how I could too... maybe trying each person's form out
Storm Nordwind: And how differently we would do it if we started it again now.
Agatha Macbeth: A mesh PaB? :P
Eden Haiku: reading Adams' entry of yesterday: " My b log project is a ride..."
Eliza Madrigal: unruly :)
Eden Haiku: Logs of the Star-Ship PaB! How beautiful Riddle!
Adams Rubble: back
Riddle Sideways: ooooo pretty particles
Eden Haiku: Stars!!!
Agatha Macbeth: WB
Eden Haiku: Welcome back Adams :)
Agatha Macbeth: The stars are out
Adams Rubble: the heat and humidity are descending upon RL like a wet dishcloth
Eliza Madrigal: haha, so vivid
Eden Haiku: Quoting Adams' yesterday self; ". My blog project is a ride. The script is already written. I will be seeing familiar scenery. Will the destination be the same?"
Adams Rubble: It was funny I set out to sail and dreamed about buses
Riddle Sideways: going along on the ride
Eden Haiku: Howcome is the script already written? Like "Inch Allah?"
Agatha Macbeth: Inch Allah!
Adams Rubble: the project ios reading the blog Eden
Eden Haiku: Ah!
Agatha Macbeth ponders a foot Allah
Adams Rubble quietly elbows Fiddle to look at his IM
Agatha Macbeth: Fiddle de dee
Adams Rubble: I am going to unavailable on Tuesdays
Adams Rubble: become
Riddle Sideways: got it
Riddle Sideways: will talk to self, unless a Storm comes in
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: Oh... we won't leave Riddle alone I hope... Not free tomorow but I will try my best to attend Tuesday sessions fron mow on :)
Adams Rubble: I might as well discuss this in plain view :)
Eden Haiku: *now on (starting next week)
Eliza Madrigal: am going to be unreliable for a while, but often have appointments on Tuesday morns :(
Riddle Sideways: have done several alone talk to self or alt sessions in the past
Eliza Madrigal: daughter is almost finished with physical therapy thankfully though :)
Eden Haiku: :)
--BELL--
Adams Rubble:I am thinking of taking a session on Wednesday or Thursday mornings
Eliza Madrigal: actually alone talk sessions feel like blogs :))
Riddle Sideways: yay, Eliza daugther
Eden Haiku: That would be nice Adams :)
Storm Nordwind agrees
Riddle Sideways: yay, Adams
Eliza Madrigal: excellent, Adams
Riddle Sideways: will come interrupt your self chats
Eliza Madrigal grins
Eden Haiku: hehe!
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble:I will be here Wednesday this week and will decide which day for two weeks hence
Eden Haiku: Sorry to hear your daughter is still in physical therapy Eliza. It's been a while isn't it?
Eliza Madrigal: yes, but she has the all clear to stop after next week, thankfully. She has had to change everything about the way she uses her body, which has been fascinating actually
Eden Haiku: Sounds good Eliza:) Send her my best wishes.
Eliza Madrigal: ty :) I will
Eden Haiku: Will try your new you Adams-back-to-hosting on Wednesday morning Adams :)
Eliza Madrigal will read everything no matter what :)
Adams Rubble: Wednesday just this week. None the following and will pick a day for the second week in September
Eden Haiku: smiles at reader Eliza ;) We are so lucky to have you...
Adams Rubble: glad your daughter is finishing therapy Elixa
Eden Haiku: Ok, thanks Adams!
Riddle Sideways: soon, Eliza will have Adams on the Calendar and sign
Eliza Madrigal: thanks :) interesting tie in with bodily memory... odd to have to be retaught how to move as an adult
Adams Rubble: I have missed my Sunday mornings
Eliza Madrigal: Adams church was one of my favorite sessions :)
Riddle Sideways: thinking how important to learn a new way to be in body
Eden Haiku: A week day session will be easier to get attendants I think Adams :)
Riddle Sideways: to move, to sit
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eden Haiku: She had to go through all that? Because of the B12 deficiency?
Eliza Madrigal: quite complicated... deficiencies, but also she had altered her neck from sewing in a terrible position
Agatha Macbeth: Good gfief
Eliza Madrigal: so lots of little things
Agatha Macbeth: grief*
Eden Haiku: oh!...And still such a young girl!
Eliza Madrigal: yes, MRI, etc
Riddle Sideways: glad to have given up sewing
Eden Haiku: Back to knitting Riddle?
Eliza Madrigal: but thankfully, to learn now will help her the rest of her life
Riddle Sideways: tatting
Eliza Madrigal: :) I was thinking I need a hobby like that, when my grandfather comes over and we sit and stare at each other without things to say... need parlor activities :))
Adams Rubble: multi-tasking
Agatha Macbeth: Scrabble
Storm Nordwind: Tatting?! Wow. Not done that for nearly 60 years.
Eliza Madrigal: it isn't intrusive like checking the phone
Adams Rubble: bring him into SL and go on trips
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Eliza Madrigal: he was stressed out trying to watch British Bake Off,don't think SL would work ;-)
Riddle Sideways: using hands on something helps remember things better. Kniting during lectures helps
Eden Haiku: Watching a video on tatting... You learn so many things in PaB!
Eliza Madrigal: true!
Eliza Madrigal: intricate
Riddle Sideways: so slow to make anything. the lace is so small
Agatha Macbeth: Arsenic and old lace
Eliza Madrigal: what a wonderful skill
Riddle Sideways: an old dead skill
Agatha Macbeth: Must be the arsenic
Riddle Sideways: not as useful as taking out the garbage, recycling and yard gatherings
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: Hummm...
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: must go.... will look forward to more morning sessions and writings to read <3
Adams Rubble: bye Eliza :)
Adams Rubble: It got late
Eden Haiku: Bye Eliza :) Have a great Monday!!!
Riddle Sideways: by reder Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: thank you, bye for now <3
Agatha Macbeth: Bye bye tall flowery Liz
Riddle Sideways: *reader
Riddle Sideways: and no where near as useful as writing poetry
Eden Haiku: Still writing Storm? You must have a poetry book by now?
Storm Nordwind: Yes still writing!
Storm Nordwind: Book. well...
Storm Nordwind: Short stories and poems.
Eden Haiku: I took this roadtrip to participate in this Poetry Night in a tiny village last week.
Storm Nordwind: Maybe a quarter was published for the Blue Orange club recently
Storm Nordwind: It's all simple stuff
Eden Haiku: Oh, would you have a link Storm?
Riddle Sideways: Blue Orange?
Storm Nordwind is hesitant
Riddle Sideways: nudges
Agatha Macbeth: Hello hesitant
Storm Nordwind: Blue Orange is an SL club.
Eden Haiku: being shy?
Riddle Sideways: ah
Storm Nordwind: Does Art Shows. Nice Bohemian bar
Riddle Sideways: Blue is the new Orange?
Storm Nordwind: haha!
Eden Haiku: giggles
Storm Nordwind: But yes, Storm is shy
Eden Haiku: :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Eden Haiku: Drove 687 km in a few days. very proud of myself :)
Riddle Sideways: sees Storm standing up in a nice bohemian bar reciting poems
Adams Rubble: :)
Eden Haiku: Ended up talking much more slow flat tires with poets than poetry though
Riddle Sideways: a lot of driving
Riddle Sideways: ode to a going flat tire
Eden Haiku: Yes, and a lot messages from the bramnd new rented car about low pressure in tires..,
Riddle Sideways: idea: short story of collected text messages re: car troubles
Eden Haiku: And the nearest garage was 35 kilometers from the litlle viallage.And closed on Sunday :)
Riddle Sideways: yes, the tense part of the plot
Eden Haiku: No text messaging there: no cellular network :)
Riddle Sideways: like those book (forget author) of collected letters back and forth. Sabreen and ...
Agatha Macbeth: The bank
Eden Haiku: But we made it back safely thanks all the poets and volunteers who had compressors in their trunk.
Riddle Sideways: ha, poets with compressors. In a town with no air
Eden Haiku: And this poet friend who joked it was only the silly car computor acting out :)
Eden Haiku: laughs at Riddle's comment
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: well, need to go Be Monday
Adams Rubble nods
Adams Rubble: me too
Eden Haiku: It was not acting out but the poet gave me the nerves to drive back to our guest house and check with a garage on Monday morning :)
Riddle Sideways: thanks All
Adams Rubble: Have a wonderful day everyone :)
Agatha Macbeth: Tatty bye
Eden Haiku: Thank you guys for being here :)
Adams Rubble: Thanks all for coming :)
Adams Rubble: bye for now :)
Eden Haiku: Have a great Monday!
Eden Haiku: Bye Adams :0
Eden Haiku: Is it a holiday in England today Agatha?
Agatha Macbeth: It is
Agatha Macbeth: Woot
Eden Haiku: Which?
Storm Nordwind recalls
Agatha Macbeth: Oh no idea
Agatha Macbeth: I forget the names
Eden Haiku: As long as it is a holiday :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Eden Haiku: Special plans for this day of leisure?
Agatha Macbeth: Might do a Wol and fall asleep shortly
Storm Nordwind: hehe
--BELL--
Eden Haiku: smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Rip van Wollie
Eden Haiku: :)
Storm Nordwind: We used to have a Bank Holiday (as it's called) in early August, but it got moved to late August for reasons that escape me.
Agatha Macbeth: Dunno why banks need holidays
Eden Haiku: Thought it might be a Bank Holiday. That's so strange, They have that in India too.
Agatha Macbeth: Corner shop holidays
Storm Nordwind: In early August it was part of what the English working class called "Wakes Week".
Eden Haiku: Yes, wondering too about banks needing holidays...
Agatha Macbeth: In the industrial days it was usually last week in July and first in August
Agatha Macbeth: All the factories went on holiday for those two weeks
Storm Nordwind: Oh my word... there's even a Wikipedia entry for Wakes week!
Agatha Macbeth: Well well
Eden Haiku: Ah, I see. Here we still have "construction holidays" in mid-July.
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: No lumberjack holidays then?
Eden Haiku: Still remembers when she was a kid with a carpenter dad who was not allowed to take vacations during the summer.. That was before the "construction holidays". He was so happy when the union organisz that!
Agatha Macbeth: Not surprised
Storm Nordwind: He must have been, yes!
Storm Nordwind: Well dear friends. I must away
Agatha Macbeth: Be well and productive dear Stormy
Eden Haiku: Bye Storm. Thanbk you for coming and have a great day!
Storm Nordwind: Thank YOU for inspiring the start of the week :)
Agatha Macbeth: I'm glad I'm inspiring!
Eden Haiku: You are :)
Agatha Macbeth: Beats expiring
Eden Haiku: And adorable, beautiful and cranky!
Agatha Macbeth: That too
Eden Haiku: And knowledgeable. The Procustrean bed reference was quite top!
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Agatha Macbeth: One of those things you know or you don't I guess
Eden Haiku: I appreciate having intellectuals at my tabvle :)
Eden Haiku: *table
Agatha Macbeth: Hintellectual
Eden Haiku: It was so nice seeing you Agathita!
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh me legs
Eden Haiku: Have a great Monday!
Agatha Macbeth: You too cherie
Agatha Macbeth: Drive safely
Eden Haiku: Bye bye lovely :)
Eden Haiku: Not driving these days :)
Agatha Macbeth: Au revoir x
Eden Haiku: Au revoir ma belle!
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A Group Email from Pema:
Some of a recent exchange may be relevant for a conversation about how to be a greeter at a session.
What I wrote applies broadly to general PaB sessions:
In order to answer questions regarding structure in, let me first sketch how I see the
landscape of possibilities that we have for joint explorations.
We are currently using three different media: wiki, email, chat sessions.
Each of those have their own dynamics. In my experience:
-- wikis allow for the most in-depth coherent ways of conveying ways
of thinking, feeling, experiencing. Examples are the chapters I am
writing, and the reports that are being added every week, soon more
than a hundred already, a very rich harvest.
-- email encourages shorter contributions, written more quickly than
wiki essays/reports and generally less throught-out, but on the
other hand often more lively and more directly responding to a
previous email; glad to see them being used for our Time sessions.
-- chats in sessions invite even shorter remarks, often just a single
idea, like in a haiku or a twitter tweet.
Rarely do sessions lead to coherence over more than a dozen
sentences. Yet they have a liveliness and sense of shared presence
that the other two lack.
Whether we like it or not, sessions generally don't seem to invite
in-depth discussions, not anything like the level of wikis and also
typically not even the level of email exchanges.
Therefore, I don't expect a session to be a way to continue on the
same level of depth of reasoning or exchanging anything longer and
more complex than just a few sentences. Put differently: wikis and
email are for prose; sessions are for poetry.
Or to use another metaphor: sessions are more like meeting in a cafe,
whereas email and especially wiki are more like meeting in a class
room or a conference room. To go to a cafe, and there to try to
engage people as if they were in a class/conference room wouldn't
work very well.
Cafes have their own charm and function: in a cafe you are more likely
to put your head on somebody's shoulder, even just briefly, while sharing
an intense story at the bar, something you wouldn't do in class or during
a conference.
During the sessions, I'm often struck by the willingness of many people
to share sensitive feelings and intuitions and experiences, and I very
much treasure those.
What sometimes pains me a bit, is when somebody
tells a really touching story, in a vulnerable way, like showing a
little bird in their cupped hands -- only to have somebody else react
in a theoretical way, with philosophical arguments or psychological
analysis. Somehow, that doesn't feel appropriate, in such a situation;
like giving a lecture in a cafe would not be appropriate.
But that is just my own reaction; I am well aware that different
people have different sensibilities, and I would not want to tell
others what to do. They may feel that it can help others, after
pouring their heart out, to give a more theoretical perspective;
who am I to judge? I can only follow my own heart and intuition.
I myself do what feels right to me, and I respect others to act in the
way that they feel right. I don't feel any need to tell others how to
behave; I don't even want to guess what is right for them. How do I
know what others need or should do?
The only reason that I am giving this description here is that I respect
your question.. So the answer to "what would you like to see
happening" is: "I would like to see people happy, engaged, interested,
and *doing* something, actually getting into *some* kind of exploration,
beyond the stage of thinking, chatting, speculating."
Paradoxically, it may be that the best way to get people to actually
do something, to actually let them explore, is to give them enough
space, make them feel at home, allow them to let their hair down,
allow them to relax, tell them very clearly "there is really nothing
you have to do" and then when they really accept that and relax, they
may be more ready to actually finally do something.
Such is the paradox of human beings, as I understand it.
In my experience, trying to somehow `create' a meaningful discussion
typically backfires. Pushing and manipulating doesn't work, obviously,
but I have found that even rather subtle forms of pushing and
manipulating still do not work. "facilitating" is a very subtle art.
As far as I understand "facilitating", it is total wu-wei, total
non-manipulation, totally stepping out of the picture and not trying
to "help" others by telling them what you think they should do.
It has taken me a very long time to reach this understanding.
Having been raised in Holland, all that I have written in the
previous paragraph goes totally against the grain of Dutch Calvinist
attitudes: the attitudes of telling the whole world and everybody
in sight what to do :-). For me, spending years in Japan was probably
an important factor in learning wu-wei. Also, TSK helped a lot, since
in TSK there truly are no beings, there is only Space, Time, and
Knowledge, so there are no creatures that need to be helped. But
going even further back, in high school in Holland I was inspired by
Seneca, Stoic philosopher, with his own brand of wu-wei. Over the
course of the 40 years after reading Seneca, via learning TSK and
adapting to Japan, I've come to the conclusion that almost anything
I would consciously "try" to do is probably wrong.
Perhaps I have already quoted Vector Marksman in SL, a medical
doctor and good friend of mine (and somebody who almost
died 15 years ago, and had a profound near-death experience when
his heart stopped for a while; he also has 40 years of meditation
experience). He wrote recently in a Kira email:
Words guide, examples move, but only the giving of oneself transforms.
Like him, I want to be very light on guiding, more engaged with
moving, but what I really want to is to give myself to exploring
reality, together with whoever else is interested to join me.
Cheers,
Pema
Pema's intuition about sessions being like poetry rings so true!