07-09 - Chirping at Night

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    Eliza Scribing, this month for Fox, noticing a 'Being and Stillness' theme. Someone asks "I mean, I am already being, I don't have to play one...", and guardians discuss Stillness amidst the clattering and clammoring of daily life.

    Notable also is the feeling of post-retreat afterglow...

    As I write this another group of guardians is about to partake in what I wish will be as wonderful an adventure as I and others have been priveleged to enjoy. :)

    2009.11.07 01:00 - Silence & Inner Stillness 

    .Scathach Rhiadra: inner stillness sometimes seems even better than silence
    Gaya Ethaniel: Is it possible to appreciate silence without inner stillness?
    Trevor Berensohn: Heheh otherwise, silence can seem pretty oppressive
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, good question, I don't know / but you can have inner stillness without silence

    Bertrum Quan: I think the notion of awakening involves all of our senses.
    Trevor Berensohn contemplates what Bert said..
    Scathach Rhiadra: a present awareness of everything ?

    Gaya Ethaniel: How was the session yesterday with the RL retreat? I couldn't make it.
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, it was interesting
    Trevor Berensohn wasn't there either
    Bertrum Quan: Scath, can you tell us more about it?
    Scathach Rhiadra: a lot of people turned up, and about 6 from the retreat... most of the talk was about the place itself / it seems they have had some meetings aout future retreats, so were talking about next year in Germany
    Trevor Berensohn: Oh wow
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, the only practice they talked about was using the basic stop and drop, see what you are for one session / they seemed very happy and um, giddy, about it all:)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Trevor Berensohn: Awww that makes me happy

    ~~ 2009.11.07 07:00 - What is the Play as Being ?

    sophia Placebo: i was thinking about this , since the first time i read the group name but i kept the question until i become more familiar with the group practice ,hmm im not sure how i should play as being i mean im being already i dont have to play being one
    doug Sosa: being can be done by a kind of frozen seriousness. Play asks to loosen the boundaries and let imagination and events flow a bit more. My understanding.

    sophia Placebo: i was wondering about what is the meaning of the group name and if im undrstanding the practice correctly
    Qt Core: it seem this is a question the pab base day session, i was thinking about asking about the pab symbol, especially the rotating one on the column... it remind me too much about Sauron flaming eye ;-)
    Fael Illyar laughs.
    sophia Placebo: hehe Qt
    Fael Illyar: the symbolism in the symbol is light rays from emptiness.
    Fael Illyar: 9 for 9 seconds and 4 for 4 sessions per day if I rememer right
    Qt Core: i find nice that they are outgoing rays and not the opposite as not for closing inwardly
    Fael Illyar: and it's not perfect circle in the center :)
    sophia Placebo: not sure about playing as enjoying , not sure if being in the title is meant to be self , more of Being with capital re Qt and doug

    Fael Illyar: however, "Play as Being", as the name indicates exploration of reality by playing you're something playing to be human.
    sophia Placebo: i dont know :)) im trying to find out
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. fael ? could you explain it perhaps ?
    Fael Illyar: I don't know exactly. It was supposed to point at whatever sophia had in mind.
    sophia Placebo: like im rabbit playing to be human
    Fael Illyar: no no
    Bertram Jacobus: lol
    Fael Illyar: like you're Being playing to be human
    sophia Placebo: lol nicest conversation in pab so far fael
    Qt Core: like forgetting the quirks, errors and fault of qt and playing being a "random human" ?
    Bertram Jacobus: may be it is meant that all are parts of the universe ... ;-)
    Fael Illyar: I wonder how long it has been since people had a conversation abot what Being is.

    Fael Illyar: although, if we're talking about different views... Being is not something with a different view but all views.
    Bertram Jacobus: or no view at the end
    Qt Core: time to go for me, what a pity it was a nice sometime a little absurd conversation ;-)

    ~~ 2009.11.07 13:00 - Culture Shock 

    Pila Mulligan: hi Arabella, welcome back from India
    arabella Ella: what I found amazing though was
    arabella Ella: they are so rich in culture and tradition and other stuff too
    arabella Ella: yet ... there is both chaos and serenity / overlapping
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    arabella Ella: in an incredibly beautiful way/ but
    arabella Ella: it is also a sad place in other respects
    (Snip)arabella Ella: the main lesson i think i learnt ... hopefully ... is
    arabella Ella: why cant each one of us try to make a small difference like ripples in a pond which when considered together make a huge difference
    Mickorod Renard: I found it sort of is like putting your idea's of values in a bag and shaking them up,,then letting them fall and seeing if they are the same as they were

    ~~ 2009.11.07 19:00 - Onigokko, Water Leaks, & Princeton Retreat 

    Eden Haiku: Is onigooko an hawaiian name Pila? Or japanese?
    Pila Mulligan: Japanese I think
    genesis Zhangsun: yes japanese / I think it is the game of tag
    Pila Mulligan: g is not a Hawaiian letter
    Eden Haiku: No g in Hawaian language? How is it called this language?
    Pila Mulligan: The alphabet contains 12 letters: 5 vowels (a, e, i, o, u) and 7 consonants (h, k, l, m, n, p, w).
    Pila Mulligan: from http://www.alternative-hawaii.com/alpha.htm
    Eden Haiku: Thanks
    Pila Mulligan: it was invented by missionaries as Hawaiians had no written language

    Eden Haiku: I think Wikipedia is derived from the hawaian word wiki-wiki which means fast. Or is a maori word?
    Pila Mulligan: yes, wiki is hawaiian for hurry

    Eden Haiku: How was your retreat Steve?
    genesis Zhangsun: yes Steve tell us about that
    stevenaia Michinaga: the retreat was lovely / highly recommended :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: actually, there was a profound sence of change in the energy level preceived by two
    of the group doing one minute of "You Seeing and then changing to Being Seeing
    stevenaia Michinaga: we also did some 10 minute sessions of other focused meditation
    genesis Zhangsun: did you notice a difference between shorter meditations and longer ones?
    stevenaia Michinaga: a nice variety / the shorter one minute times were just right, and the 10 minute sessions were too short  / :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: that was a more view of letting go, which allowed for a sort of annimated dialog
    to appear for myself, a linear storyboard of ideas for me that could have continued for quite some time
    ... perhaps years :)

    ~~ 2009.11.08 01:00 - Religions with cold feet 

    Qt Core: or you may break one or all the rules if you do not more believe in the underlying values
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    Moon Fargis: hmm or when theses values are gone?
    Gaya Ethaniel: So what are the underlying values of the Catholic ethical codes in your opinion Qt?
    Stargate Tone: and more 'naturally working' values understood... Snapshot_052.jpg
    Moon Fargis: heh/ its intresting / most religion try to teach the human..
    Moon Fargis: not to be human

    Gaya Ethaniel: I think the greatest punishment is torment of guilt inside.
    Moon Fargis: we should not set rule and law 1 to 1
    Stargate Tone: well; some people dont feel bad even they steel or lie
    Moon Fargis: well yes many people have no guilt
    Moon Fargis: cus they dont care about rules
    Gaya Ethaniel nods. It is easy to get blind and life is not easy ... not to be so.
    Sunfire Langer: Objectivists pose a new challenge to deontological thinking too
    Moon Fargis: well we just babble around :)

    ~~ 2009.11.08 07:00 - We Stand on the Shoulders of Squirrels 

    Eos Amaterasu: Actually, 99% of my thoughts just happen
    Eos Amaterasu: I think that "I" think them, but I notice that really they just come up
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: plenty of room for them to be someone elses
    Eos Amaterasu: Most of them are / We repeat phrases and cliches
    stevenaia Michinaga: we say creativity "happens", as do "new" ideas, perhaps they are placed there by our good fairy when needed

    Adams Dubrovna: I was very aware of how the senses trigger thoughts but when I close my eyes, it seems to be a random generator / as you noted Eos, there is a collection of other peoples thoughts seekingly stored there

    Eos Amaterasu: Watching things happen out the window, squirrels, some planning thoughts coming up,they just come up/ busy place, my mind
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: like squirrels :)  ?

    ~~ 2009.11.08 08:00 - Framings for the 90 Seconds 

    Pema Pera: If I may switch the topic, given that we don't seem to converge: another topic we talked about during the Princeton retreat was "unconditional confidence", a kind of confidence not based on any particular ground -- the conversation had started with the experience of a kind of groundlessness which we may encounter in our practice / and we also talked about the need to ground ourselves in the relative world, in daily life
    Pema Pera: and the tension between the two, groundedness and ungroundedness, simultaneously
    Storm Nordwind: I love the phrase "unconditional confidence", which very well describes many of my experiences. But I need to check whether you're instead talking of confidentiality
    Pema Pera: confidence as in having confidence in one actions and approach
    Storm Nordwind: thanks
    Pema Pera: by fully going into what appears rather than relying on concepts and constructions
    Riddle Sideways: and the confidence of the lack there of :)
    Storm Nordwind: I recognize the experience of decide to "become" and thereafter it just "is" (and perhaps always "was is"). What came out of your discussions Pema?
    Pema Pera: No specific outcome, but we shared our experiences and our struggles with how to integrate those insights into daily life / it is interesting how such kind of confidence can be presented as a kind of "blind belief" which is some ways is the opposite
    Storm Nordwind: I completely agree! And integration is a goldmine of insight for possibly future discussion!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it really is

    ~~ 2009.11.08 13:00 - Secular Religion 

    Wol Euler: perhaps that's one of the differences between religion and belief: that you need an Us and a Them for a religion?
    Fox Monacular: Mircea Eliade has an interesting book - the sacred and the prophane
    Fox Monacular: talking about how even in the secular world we still engage in religious behavious
    Wol Euler: say more, fox?
    Fox Monacular: hmm, from what I remember, for instance, we organize our dwelling in a cosmological way... and one would never, say, open a new research center without a ceremony, and a dedication, and important people are present... like an offering
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Fox Monacular: http://www.bytrent.demon.co.uk/eliadecom02.html - there are comments to the book
    Zen Arado: nods
    Fox Monacular: or atheists have baby showers
    Wol Euler: I looked him up on wikipedia during hte pause, sounds fascinating.
    Fox Monacular: he's amazing /  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Eliade
    Fox Monacular: he wrote a lot on history of religion, was one of the first poeple to describe hinduist practices for the west / he also wrote fiction, too, for instance Coppola's recent film - youth without youth is based on ELiade's book

    Fox Monacular: not everybody sees God necessarily as on Renaissance paintings
    Zen Arado: like that there is someone up there to look after us
    Fox Monacular: A father figure is one possible archetype, which seem to have stuck:)
    Wol Euler sees him as short, fat and bald, with Lennon glasses.
    Zen Arado: :)
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Pila Mulligan: humming 'give peace a chance'
    Wol Euler: exactly.
    Zen Arado: Imagines

    ~~ 2009.11.08 19:00 - Hibernation, Dreams, Mythology and Soup

    SophiaSharon Larnia is feeling very appreciative of things
    SophiaSharon Larnia: rephrase that / not things exactly. but of feeling more peaceful with present situations
    Pila Mulligan: yes, appreciation as awareness

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i have never found a group as inclusive as this one
    Pila Mulligan: there are some neurologically oriented people here, and some dream oriented people here, they would agree
    stevenaia Michinaga: the expectation here is for each of us to explain our thoughts, not to argue or judge
    Pila Mulligan: yes, Sharon, diverse and inclusive

    stevenaia Michinaga: Play as Being was meant to recognize that we may not understand Being, but through Playing as we do, we will going a better sense of what Being is / by starting at the end
    SophiaSharon Larnia: drop what you have to see what you are
    stevenaia Michinaga: and thats what we do here
    stevenaia Michinaga: and you are welcome to return anytime Cal

    ~~ 2009.11.09 07:00 - Poetry

    Eden Haiku: You are a scientist Cal?
    Caledonia Heron: interested in science :)
    Caledonia Heron: view things from science
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh, thought you were a scientist too Cal :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: or a spacewalker :P
    Caledonia Heron: lol, trying not to wear a label :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :D
    Eden Haiku: I see. Scientist may find solutions but the eco problem is everybody's problem isn'it?
    Caledonia Heron: indeed Eden
    Archmage Atlantis: Nothing wrong with labels as long as they are one's own choosing, imho :)
    Eden Haiku: Yes, labels. I hate them too. But they are like badges we can wear in SL aren't they?
    Caledonia Heron: sure, labels are fine, useful for sorting, and ways to meet and affiliate in SL - I was
    kind of teasing with you a bit :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: grins

    ~~2009.11.09 13:00 - Intuition 

    Bolonath Crystal: in our everyday-state-of-mind there is alway an inner dialogue going on. in meditation we
    learn to stop this permanent chatting. and if we manage to become very quiet, we may hear the voice of
    intuition clearly
    . otherwise it just pops up sometimes, or at least seems to do that

    Storm Nordwind trained himself to discriminate between "intuitive" input and imagined input. Took a few
    years to get it reliable.

    Vector Marksman: "As to the mind's pilot, intuition...catch him clean and stark naked, he is first of truth
    tellers; dream clothed, or dirty with fears and wishes, he is prince of liars." Robinson Jeffers (poet)

    Bolonath Crystal: hm. let us suppose that at least many people have intuition. and if this is so, it
    has developed during evolution. that means, that there is a good reason for it. there must be some
    advantage in having intuition, otherwise it wouldn't occur so often

    ~~ 2009.11.07 19:00 - Onigokko, Water Leaks, & Princeton Retreat 

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: maybe I was a crow in the last life..and that's why I can't remember it.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Eden Haiku: So you might the one who remeber the best, the all-blackness of it all Corvi.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
    Eden Haiku: Because, in fact there is only emptiness.
    stevenaia Michinaga: was wondering recently if all the things we speak of, dreams, past lives, ghosts are just
    manifestations of of alternative universes here
    Eden Haiku: I'm just repeating buddhist stanzas like a parrot here. I never understood emptiness. ;-)
    Eden Haiku: Alterbanative universes
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: heh
    Pila Mulligan: there's some excellent fiction built on alternative universes
    stevenaia Michinaga: sure , the things we can only theoroize but never prove (at the moment
    Eden Haiku: *Alternative universes, yes. And there is a scientific therory about it I think: superchords.

    Eden Haiku: Birds chipping at night

          The crow leading us somewhere

             In the deep unknown

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