2009.11.07 07:00 - What is the Play as Being ?

The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

sophia Placebo: Hi Qt !
Qt Core: Hi Sophia
sophia Placebo: very quite today or we are very early
Qt Core: well, still 2 min to the official start ;-)
Qt Core: and i like a little quiet in this fast and packed saturday
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doug Sosa: morning..
sophia Placebo: morning doug
Qt Core: afternoon.. ;-) hi doug
doug Sosa: yes, afternoon too. :)
sophia Placebo: i was thinking about this , since the first time i read the group name but i kept the question until i become more familiar with the group practice ,hmm im not sure how i should play as being i mean im being already i dont have to play being one
doug Sosa: being can be done by a kind of frozen seriousness. Play asks to loosen the boundaries and let imagination and events flow a bit more. My understanding.
Qt Core: i read the play more as related to gaming/enjoying more than act
sophia Placebo: Hi Fael
Qt Core: hi fael
sophia Placebo: Hi Arisia
Fael Illyar: Hi Qt, sophia, doug, Ari :)
Arisia Vita: Hi all
doug Sosa: :)
Qt Core: hi arisia
Arisia Vita: rezzing...
sophia Placebo: Hi Yak
Qt Core: and hi yak
doug Sosa: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Fael Illyar: Hi Yak :)
sophia Placebo: i was wondering about what is the meaning of the group name and if im undrstanding the practice correctly
Qt Core: it seem this is a question the pab base day session, i was thinking about asking about the pab symbol, especially the rotating one on the column... it remind me too much about Sauron flaming eye ;-)
Fael Illyar laughs.
sophia Placebo: hehe Qt
Fael Illyar: the symbolism in the symbol is light rays from emptiness.
Fael Illyar: 9 for 9 seconds and 4 for 4 sessions per day if I rememer right
Qt Core: i find nice that they are outgoing rays and not the opposite as not for closiong inwardly
Fael Illyar: and it's not perfect circle in the center :)
sophia Placebo: not sure about playing as enjoying , not sure if being in the title is meant to be self , more of Being with capital re Qt and doug
Fael Illyar: also open from the bottom. No ray there
doug Sosa: I thought it was put there by one person arbitrarily and no one had the guts to take it away.
Fael Illyar: no, it was more than just one person.
sophia Placebo: what dose that indicate fael , no rays from buttons
sophia Placebo: buttom*
Fael Illyar: I think at least me, Pema, Storm and Moon had some hand in it. Possibly others too.
Fael Illyar: no idea :P
Fael Illyar: no-one said anything about it when it was being designed
sophia Placebo: Hi Bert
Arisia Vita: welcome Bert
Bertram Jacobus: hi every body ! ... ;-)
sophia Placebo: :) i see
Qt Core: hi bertram
Fael Illyar: Hi Bertram :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bert
doug Sosa: :)
Bertram Jacobus: what was designed ? :-)
Fael Illyar: the PaB logo
Bertram Jacobus: ah
Bertram Jacobus: ty
Fael Illyar: it took a few days :)
Fael Illyar: publicly on the list.
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Fael Illyar: summer 2008
Fael Illyar: the meaning of the name...
Fael Illyar: basically, the idea is to play as if you're Being, playing to be human.
Bertram Jacobus: that´s not too long i guess ... :-)
Fael Illyar: hence the "starting from the end" idea
Qt Core: that said by someone with gold light wings could be read just in a plain way ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: for the design i meant
sophia Placebo: that what i understood but still not sure if i'd digested that correctly
Bertram Jacobus: lo qt you think that could be an end ? :-)
Qt Core: no, just an alien ;)
Fael Illyar: :P
Bertram Jacobus: ah okay
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
sophia Placebo: so im not human now but pretending to be one
Fael Illyar: sophia, the idea is that all humans are such at the base.
Fael Illyar: that kind of puts the "not human" out of business.
Qt Core: pretending and not being, you mean fael ?
Fael Illyar: what is the difference between pretending and being?
Qt Core: especially if it is not conscious
sophia Placebo: hmm
sophia Placebo: humans are such at the base so?
Bertram Jacobus: may be being includes all and pretending doesn´t ?
Fael Illyar: yes, to me pretending would mean not going all out at being something. Just "being" enough to satisfy something else.
Bertram Jacobus: and what do you mean with "such", please, sophia ?
sophia Placebo: i guess what fael meant
Bertram Jacobus: and what did fael mean with "such" please ? ;-)
Fael Illyar: however, "Play as Being", as the name indicates exploration of reality by playing you're something playing to be human.
sophia Placebo: i dont know :)) im trying to find out
Bertram Jacobus: ah. fael ? could you explain it perhaps ?
Fael Illyar: I don't know exactly. It was supposed to point at whatever sophia had in mind.
sophia Placebo: like im rabbit playing to be human
Fael Illyar: no no
Bertram Jacobus: lol
Fael Illyar: like you're Being playing to be human
sophia Placebo: lol nicest conversation in pab so far fael
Qt Core: like forgetting the quirks, errors and fault of qt and playing being a "random uman" ?
Bertram Jacobus: may be it is meant that all are parts of the universe ... ;-)
Fael Illyar: I wonder how long it has been since people had a conversation abot what Being is.
sophia Placebo: maybe bert
Qt Core: better "standard human" instead of random human
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Bertram Jacobus: great words qt ! ;-)
Fael Illyar: what's wrong with plain old "human"?
Bertram Jacobus: no thing ?
Qt Core: many endangered species could say a lot about human ;-)
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sophia Placebo: pick one and tell something about human
Bertram Jacobus: do you by yourself have an idea, what all humans could be in their essence sophia ?
sophia Placebo: i was thinking that if i was the being whatever that means , and im playing being human , my world veiw wont be same as humans
sophia Placebo: stupids
Bertram Jacobus: lol oh okay
sophia Placebo: to be honest
Bertram Jacobus: the buddha called that a bit more gentle : he called that unknowing ... ;-)
sophia Placebo: but to be thoughtfull i guess they are valunarble weak , not harmfull unless harmed or were just ignorant
Bertram Jacobus: compatible with buddhas and my ideas ... ;o)
sophia Placebo: :) guess that is universal
Bertram Jacobus: yes. agree :-)
Bertram Jacobus: nicely said :-)
Bertram Jacobus: but i think, one ide3a is to transcend duality ...
Bertram Jacobus: - 3
Fael Illyar: ummh... since when did humans have a cohesive worldview?
sophia Placebo: can you explain more bert and fael ?
Fael Illyar: can you point to me two humans who have the same world view?
doug Sosa: Hw does the 9 sec play into this conversation? To me the advantage of th 9 sec is to generate experience which can be explored rather than paste of old categories. Is this an attractive approach?
sophia Placebo: me and doug about a few mints ago fael
sophia Placebo: bert*
Bertram Jacobus: the wish to find a quiet inner place perhaps
Fael Illyar: same view? you sure?
sophia Placebo: sounds like it
Qt Core: even if many don't know it bert
Qt Core: and search for a noisy outer place
Bertram Jacobus: agree to all :o)
sophia Placebo: well doug it should make the distractions less and the focus on the being status
Fael Illyar: although, if we're talking about different views... Being is not something with a different view but all views.
Bertram Jacobus: or no view at the end
Qt Core: time to go for me, what a pity it was a nice sometime a little absurd conversation ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: bye qt have a nice time ! :-)
sophia Placebo: :) bye Qt happy weekend
Arisia Vita: bye Qt, be well and happy
Fael Illyar: See you later Qt :)
Qt Core: ciao!
sophia Placebo: i would call that life , the al veiws
Fael Illyar: Being is not a view but rather the potential from which views spring forth from.
sophia Placebo: all views*
Bertram Jacobus: life ... to me it´s simply movement ...
Fael Illyar: Life is as good a word for Being as any other.
sophia Placebo: the origin of views is being
Fael Illyar: some also call it ove
Fael Illyar: Love
Fael Illyar: Space
Fael Illyar: Joy
Fael Illyar: God
Bertram Jacobus: but some call it torture, too ?
sophia Placebo: sadness
Fael Illyar: I haven't met anyone who does that Bert :)
Bertram Jacobus: hmm
Bertram Jacobus: okay ... i failed : meant life, not being . sry
Fael Illyar: oh
Bertram Jacobus: i differ that
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Fael Illyar: not a failure, merely the chance for something new and unexpected :)
sophia Placebo: the idea of buddhism is that the all are actually one
Bertram Jacobus: being includes also death i guess (mini poem) ;-)
Fael Illyar: Bertram, sure it does.
Fael Illyar: and birth
Fael Illyar: neither exists without the other. Birth and Death
sophia Placebo: i can understand the name play as being if that what was based on
Bertram Jacobus: mh sophia : not sure . isn´t that the modern esoterical view which postulates this ?
sophia Placebo: no it is an old view
Bertram Jacobus: hm. i did not meet that in buddhism i gues ... hm
Bertram Jacobus: may be in the veda and hinduism (?) ...
sophia Placebo: maybe .... maybe it is my own understanding
Bertram Jacobus: hmmm ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: are you member of some religion sophia ?
sophia Placebo: yes why ?
Bertram Jacobus: because i find that interesting
sophia Placebo: how so ?
Bertram Jacobus: how could it be not ? ;-)
sophia Placebo: easy , let you born in middle east and see for yourslf
Bertram Jacobus: what could be more interesting ? ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: oh
Bertram Jacobus: "okay"
sophia Placebo: to die
sophia Placebo: and come back again , that is more intersting
Bertram Jacobus: i mean - there are many in the west with a similar view as you seem to describe sophia ...
Bertram Jacobus: that´s not interesting to me
sophia Placebo: hehe
Bertram Jacobus: because i have no impressions of my own about that
Bertram Jacobus: and find it more important to handle life here and now
sophia Placebo: i guess im obssessd about that
Bertram Jacobus: oh. lo. okay ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: i would not like to be obsessed i guess :o)
sophia Placebo: what view you mean bert that many in the west share ?
Bertram Jacobus: to find other things more interesting as religions
sophia Placebo: hmm ok
Bertram Jacobus: ty all for the nice talk !
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bert
Fael Illyar: See you later Bert :)
Arisia Vita: I must leave too...
Bertram Jacobus: and have a good time
sophia Placebo: thnx bert for coming today
Fael Illyar: See you later Ari :)
Arisia Vita: see you all later, I hope
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, bye everyone then :)
sophia Placebo: happy weekend
Fael Illyar: See you later Yak :)
Bertram Jacobus: may all beings (!) be happy please ... :-)
sophia Placebo: bye ari
sophia Placebo: bye yak
Fael Illyar: ok, this meeting looks ended.
Fael Illyar: Were you left with any questions sophia?
sophia Placebo: :) it looks
sophia Placebo: i'll store them to next time
sophia Placebo: let them mature
Fael Illyar smiles.
sophia Placebo: bye doug
Fael Illyar: bye sophia :)
Fael Illyar: bye doug :)
sophia Placebo: bye fael !
Fael Illyar: have a nice day :)