2014.03.10 13:00 - String Seeing, Being Seeing

The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :) Sorry you caught me mid-outfit!
Zen Arado: heheh
Zen Arado: Hi Eliza
Zen Arado: looks the other way
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: "virtual writers" - are you participating in writing groups in SL now?
Zen Arado: was talking to a woman in a group and joined but havent been yet
Zen Arado: so many groups sigh
Eliza Madrigal: I guess it just depends on what you like to focus on now
Zen Arado: yeh focus
Zen Arado: what's that :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: gravity

Wol Euler: hello eliza, zen
Zen Arado: just came form Strix playing guitar at PP
Eliza Madrigal: Hi, caped Wol
Zen Arado: he's quite good
Zen Arado: Hi Wol
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yes he is... have heard him just the once
Zen Arado: caped crusader
Zen Arado: who was that?
Wol Euler: superman?
Wol Euler: or batman?
Wol Euler: they all look alike from 40 yrs away

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Zen Arado: not sure
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi y'all
Wol Euler: hello leu
Eliza Madrigal: in leu of Bleu?
Bleu Oleander: :)

Bleu Oleander: how's everyone?
Zen Arado: I have problems
Wol Euler: hehehe
Eliza Madrigal: fairly well
Eliza Madrigal: What's your problem Zen?
Wol Euler: oh dear
Zen Arado: everyone has 83 problems said the Buddha
Wol Euler listens.
Eliza Madrigal thinks of JayZ
Wol Euler: only 83?
Zen Arado: and the 84th is thinking you shouldn't have any problems :)
Bleu Oleander: depends on how one defines a "problem"
Eliza Madrigal: crisistunity?
Bleu Oleander: exactly

Wol Euler: I'd say anyhting you think is a problem, is.
Bleu Oleander: well, maybe it's only in the thinking
Wol Euler: because thinking that will make it have an effect on you
Zen Arado: yeh
Eliza Madrigal: maybe a problem is a step up from a vague sense of unease ... like, if you can form a problem you are half way there

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
Zen Arado: Hi Aggers
Wol Euler: hello aggers and aph
Agatha Macbeth: Boo
Zen Arado: Hi Aph
Bleu Oleander: hey Aph
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi!

Zen Arado: or maybe refrain from forming it?
Zen Arado: maybe that concretizes it
Zen Arado: (if I could type)
Eliza Madrigal: stay in possibility?
Zen Arado: just deal with things
Bleu Oleander: problems are part of life ... one can look at them as a challenge to solve or something to complain about
Aphrodite Macbain: maybe both!
Bleu Oleander: indeed
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Or all three

Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Candace
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Candace, Welcome
Aphrodite Macbain: Have a cushion!
Bleu Oleander: hi Candace
Wol Euler: hello candace
Zen Arado: Hi Candace
Aphrodite Macbain: This is my friend Candace
Candace Ducatillon: Hello Everyone, and thank you.
Eliza Madrigal: Did Aph tell you about the group, Candace? I think we've met at an event before
Wol Euler waves.
Aphrodite Macbain: we have been rehearsing together
Aphrodite Macbain: I have but it bears repeating Eliza

Agatha Macbeth: Not a snogee?
Wol Euler: heh, I was just thinking that ,aggers
Wol Euler: wondering whether to ask

Eliza Madrigal: Okay great... so we meet, according to our wiki ^^, to discuss the nature of reality...
Agatha Macbeth: We do?
Eliza Madrigal: and post our sessions on the wiki - have kept records for nearly 6 years
Aphrodite Macbain: lol nope

Zen Arado: Hi Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Brucie :)
Aphrodite Macbain: (nope to Aggers)
Eliza Madrigal: Candace, is it okay to include you in those recordings?
Candace Ducatillon: oh yes, ty.
Bleu Oleander: hi Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: thanks :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, everyone. Just trying to get my bearings, here.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce and bearings
Aphrodite Macbain: waves at Bruce

Aggers emailed me early in the week with a lovely idea:

Eliza Madrigal: Instead of pausing for longer periods today, it might be nice to pop over for a sitting (zen retreat as we did after session another day) ... those who choose... at the very end of session/after

Wol Euler: hello bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Bruce Mowbray: Yayy!
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: I'm in
Aphrodite Macbain: Candace we have pauses every 15 minutes
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, everyone (again, in case it didn't come through before). ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: where we say nothing
Aphrodite Macbain: we call it dropping
Candace Ducatillon: very well, ty.
Candace Ducatillon: I was here once before, but it was a long time ago, so a good reminder.

Eliza Madrigal: well, dropping is one aspect ... to "drop what you have to see what you are"
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, indeed, Candace!
Agatha Macbeth: Tempus fugit
Bleu Oleander: can also just "pause"
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes we have a question or an exploration as well
Eliza Madrigal nods...
Aphrodite Macbain: may bear explaining Eliza or I can do that in IM
Eliza Madrigal: the best way is just to try
Aphrodite Macbain: nods ok
Bruce Mowbray: Did you get a notecard, Candace? If not, there are nc's in the box right behind you.

Zen Arado: 'what is there when there is no thinking?' asked Darryl Bailey this week

Candace Ducatillon: ty Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: you're welcome ;-)

Eliza Madrigal: so we have a minute to form an exploration maybe... how about we go right to that... ask : What might it mean to drop what we have to see what we are"
Agatha Macbeth: Who?
Eliza Madrigal: ah, or for some...to drop thinking perhaps... see if that is possible
Agatha Macbeth: I know Darryl Hall

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: not lean on anything we think we've learned :)

Eliza Madrigal: thanks :) would someone like to share their pause experience?
Bruce Mowbray: I will....
Agatha Macbeth: I heard a kettle brewing
Aphrodite Macbain: My pause was clarifying stiuff with Candace :-)
Bruce Mowbray: I am trying something to help me fall asleep at night, that I also tried during this last drop.
Candace Ducatillon smiles
Bruce Mowbray: In involves emptying my entire thought process.
Agatha Macbeth: It didn't work then? :p
Eliza Madrigal: Oh?
Bruce Mowbray: just having it be an empty box...
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Aphrodite Macbain: hard to do if you have been doing some hard thinking just before bed
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: your thinking as an empty box? or you?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Aph, and that is precisely why I'm experimenting with it.
Zen Arado: impossible to stop thinking they say
Aphrodite Macbain: Like writing an essay about notions of self! :-(
Bruce Mowbray: It was that thinking that has me being awake until 4 a.m.
Zen Arado: thoughts just spring up unbidden
Wol Euler: oh wow
Bruce Mowbray: and as soon as they pop up, I empty the box again.
Aphrodite Macbain: ping pong balls bouncing everywhere
Agatha Macbeth: 'Too many notes Mozart'
Bruce Mowbray: like bailing out a rowboat that keeps taking on water.

Zen Arado: where do they come from?
Eliza Madrigal pictures ping pongs springing from empty boxes
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Bruce Mowbray listens
Aphrodite Macbain: that's why it's easier to focus on something- a sound, a feeling, breathing

Eliza Madrigal: for me, I kept thinking about Neil Degrasse Tyson saying that dark matter is not a good name ... that maybe dark gravity is better... so (was) thinking, but a thinking that makes room in a previous notion

Wol Euler: Pema suggested to me once that I stop considering these arising thoughts as "mine", but try to see them as simple facts
Wol Euler: externals
Bruce Mowbray: I'm focusing on an empty box.
Wol Euler: like the traffic noise
Agatha Macbeth: The heart of the dark matter
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Wol. and excellent method.
Eliza Madrigal: "just thoughts" Wol?
Bruce Mowbray: (and attitude).
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: and also not my responsibility
Aphrodite Macbain: dark gravity is something you pour on a roast
Wol Euler: since not willed
Eliza Madrigal: have found it liberating to see all of life that way at times, and dreams
Zen Arado: try not to think of an elephant :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, they were never "yours," Wol.
Wol Euler: meaning: to stop feeling that I had to do something with or about them
Eliza Madrigal: hmm
Eliza Madrigal: no need to follow up
Wol Euler nods.
Aphrodite Macbain: nods- put them in a dark box
Eliza Madrigal: or finish them
Bleu Oleander: unless its a good or creative thought perhaps
Eliza Madrigal: I should do that as host of sessions sometimes.. at some moments I get anxious to follow up on almost everything someone says
Zen Arado: you can remove thought stimulation though
Aphrodite Macbain: a notebook handy helps
Zen Arado: by doing a meditation retreat

Agatha Macbeth: Fish

Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: I personally like thought stimulation :)
Aphrodite Macbain: That's what makes you a wonderful host though Eliza
Zen Arado: we all do Bleu
Candace Ducatillon: oh yes Bleu... the good creative thoughts are good to allow blossoming
Zen Arado: or I do anyway
Zen Arado: he added hastily

Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Zen -- thought "stimulation" is/was the cause of my insomnia --- so emptying it out (rather than letting myself be stimulated) seems to be working.
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Aph... but there is a subtle difference between hosting openly and hosting trying to tie up sessions with bows ^^

Agatha Macbeth: Don't say 'we' Zenny :p
Zen Arado: o ;)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: oh gods, are we going to do that again?
Zen Arado: qualified it
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Aphrodite Macbain: :-) no bows needed, just attention
Agatha Macbeth: Do what?
Eliza Madrigal: I wish you luck Bruce
Zen Arado: the 'we' inquisition
Aphrodite Macbain: multiple strands of conversation....
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah

[removed a little text for light references to individual]

Eliza Madrigal: as much as I didn't like the tone of that conversation at times, it seems a good thing generally to notice
Zen Arado: yes
Eliza Madrigal: (using "we" as a given)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, agreed, Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal: just like using "my"
Zen Arado: I am an inveterate generaliser
Eliza Madrigal: my thoughts, my dreams, my life
Zen Arado: and that is a generalization too
Bruce Mowbray: or "our" ---
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth: Shoot all pronouns on sight
Candace Ducatillon smiles

Eliza Madrigal: although when I say "our group" it makes me feel happy
Bleu Oleander: what's wrong with referring to "my" dreams, my thoughts etc?

[sorry Bleu, didn't see question - it isn't 'wrong' - just informative to see what happens when loosening that identification... becomes, at least for me, more appreciative of presences of appearances feeling.. open and restful]

Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
Eliza Madrigal: lollol Aggers
Bruce Mowbray ponders the movie "her"
Agatha Macbeth: Me too Liz
Aphrodite Macbain: It is good to acknowledge that what we say or feel is ours only
Eliza Madrigal: can be, nods

Bruce Mowbray: Actually, I blame all my bad ideas on Blub.
Zen Arado: I had an Aspergers's girlfriend once...she hated generalizations
Aphrodite Macbain: and even better when we realize we are not alone!
Agatha Macbeth: Yes he much to answer for
Eliza Madrigal: what if he writes a book Bruce?
Aphrodite Macbain: so blub means we?
Zen Arado: 'me and my typist'
Bruce Mowbray makes note... suggest to Blub that he write a book....
Bruce Mowbray: (without pronouns).
Zen Arado: chronicles
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps sounds
Candace Ducatillon: smiles
Zen Arado: the pab years
Agatha Macbeth rubs her ear
Zen Arado: Vol 1
Candace Ducatillon: omg
Aphrodite Macbain: groans
Aphrodite Macbain: anyone here want to be part of a 6th anniversary talent show?
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: So here's a little thought before the next pause...

“Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.”

― Ralph Waldo Emerson

Eliza Madrigal: Oops... sorry Aph... just seeing the bell about to ring
Wol Euler applauds!
Zen Arado: yeh but....
Zen Arado: if only...
Zen Arado: and..
Candace Ducatillon: What a great quote.
Zen Arado: heheh

--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: whispers- miles to go before I sleep. Sorry, must go now.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: easier said than done
Eliza Madrigal: so for the 6th anniversary we'll just have new nonsense :P
Eliza Madrigal: I don't know Zen... just reading that lets me feel a little lighter

Candace Ducatillon: Is this a 6th anniv. of your group?
Wol Euler: in April, yes
Eliza Madrigal: April 1st
Eliza Madrigal: Fools Day :)
Candace Ducatillon smiles
Candace Ducatillon: that's a wonderful milestone
Eliza Madrigal: we've normally had big parties... Aph has played a huge role in organizing some
Eliza Madrigal: but this year we are keeping simple... a talent show, maybe a dance
Candace Ducatillon: yes, I know she has that ability

Candace Ducatillon: Simple is good.
Agatha Macbeth: Modesty made her crash it seems
Eliza Madrigal: it IS pretty significant... sort of amazing really
Bruce Mowbray: and gymnastics!
Candace Ducatillon: So much of our lives are too detailed.
Agatha Macbeth: Good old Jim
Eliza Madrigal: delicate balances...
Candace Ducatillon: yes
Candace Ducatillon: important to keep them in check
Eliza Madrigal: if too little detail, things feel careless and not hm... satisfying
Bruce Mowbray: 
Eliza Madrigal: but if too much, joy is lost
Eliza Madrigal: How often are you in performances Candace?
Bleu Oleander: some see joy in the details
Bruce Mowbray: 
Candace Ducatillon: This is only my second foray.
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen Arado: I like music details
Candace Ducatillon: First time my role was very small; this one a bit larger.
Zen Arado: depends if the details are interesting I guess
Candace Ducatillon: :-)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Candace Ducatillon: no-stress details
Agatha Macbeth: Don't sweat the small stuff
Zen Arado: the devil is in the details however
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: law of diminishing returns I guess... if too detail oriented one might never feel satisfied or finished
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Again
Eliza Madrigal: that's sort of the feeling at the end of a day.. wanting to wind down but still working

Zen Arado: matter of tempweament too
Eliza Madrigal: true
Candace Ducatillon: absolutely
Agatha Macbeth: Twuly
Zen Arado: temperament
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: lisping badly today
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes it is nice to keep working in sleep too, lol... there is nothing that one can say without a qualification
Wol Euler: fingertips must be slippery
Bruce Mowbray: whealy, aggers?
Agatha Macbeth coughs
Eliza Madrigal: (is "one" okay...? different than we or our or my? hah)
Eliza Madrigal: :::head spins:::
Zen Arado: sounds more regal
Wol Euler: it probably also assumes just as much as "we"
Agatha Macbeth: One is ok, two's a crowd
Bruce Mowbray: One must ponder that, Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal grins
Wol Euler: because it makes a statement about generic people
Eliza Madrigal nods...
Agatha Macbeth: 'We don't serve generic people in here'

Wol Euler: one thinks this pronoun argument is not without merit, but entirely overblown
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Bruce Mowbray: 
Bleu Oleander: I think its ok to use any of those words if the thought is an interesting one
Eliza Madrigal: some languages are likely more centric than others
Eliza Madrigal: assumptive ?

Agatha Macbeth pulls Brucie's antlers
Bruce Mowbray: ouch!
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Bruce Mowbray: Pokes Wol's ruby.
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Agatha Macbeth: Ruby monday
Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....

Eliza Madrigal: so, "drop what we have" we often seem to take as meaning an identity...
Wol Euler nods.
Zen Arado: what does a one hour old baby think about?

Eliza Madrigal: that might just have to do with our particular interests as people/fascinating subject matter
Bruce Mowbray also nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Milk
Wol Euler: and its expressions: the worry, the hope/fear/annoyance
Eliza Madrigal nods...

Zen Arado: it doesn't know any words or concepts
Zen Arado: just pure sensations

Eliza Madrigal: there's a parallel in acting circles actually... the diff. between actors who shed themselves and totally enter other roles, vs actors who are themselves whatever role they play

Zen Arado: hard to imagine that
Bleu Oleander: it also eats baby food and drinks from a baby bottle :)
Bruce Mowbray: also, its physical brain has not yet developed to the point it could even "have" such thoughts.
Zen Arado: exactly
Bruce Mowbray: so, milk and more milk -- and sleep. That's about the extent of it.
Agatha Macbeth: Some life eh
Wol Euler thinks about actors
Candace Ducatillon: a simple life
Zen Arado: it doesn't sit in the womb thining' it's nearly time I was born'
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: phone call.....
Zen Arado: it doesn't know what milk is
Eliza Madrigal: also, ideally, doesn't have to rustle up its own food :)
Zen Arado: it just feels an urge
Bleu Oleander: probably thinks it would be nice to stay there lol
Bruce Mowbray: back.
Zen Arado: wb Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Wrong number?
Eliza Madrigal: blub making crank calls
Zen Arado: nice and cosy in the womb
Agatha Macbeth pokes Liz
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Bruce Mowbray: My typist refuses to answer any calls that don't show a caller ID.
Zen Arado: he called me today
Agatha Macbeth: Probably your bank manager
Eliza Madrigal: so that was a potential call

Bleu Oleander: so I have a question ...
Eliza Madrigal listens
Bruce Mowbray: (The caller can leave a message -- if she has something important to tell me.)

--BELL--

Bleu Oleander: are avatars just digital puppets?
Bruce Mowbray ponders "digital puppets" during this drop.

Agatha Macbeth: More like Pygmalion's statue I'd say
Eliza Madrigal: go on, Aggers?
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Zen Arado: now I know who I am
Zen Arado: a puppet
Agatha Macbeth: Or Frankenstein's monster :p
Wol Euler listens.
Zen Arado: no identity crisis
Bruce Mowbray: Bleu, if you've not seen the movie "her" yet, please do. and then think of that "digital puppet" question....

Bleu Oleander: was playing with some Marionettes and felt similar to using an avatar in many ways

Eliza Madrigal: I don't have an answer... if sometimes I might say "yes" it wouldn't be a "just" yes
Eliza Madrigal: ah, nice Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: I love marionettes
Bleu Oleander: should not have used "just"
Agatha Macbeth: No strings attatched
Zen Arado: this avatar is a puppet I think

Wol Euler: I'm with Aggers on this, they start out as puppets or characters in a story but take on a life of their own
Bruce Mowbray: Yes! I feel that being in Sl is like playing with paper dolls! I have felt that since first coming in-world!
Wol Euler: IMHO YMMV
Eliza Madrigal: puppets are quite powerful
Agatha Macbeth: True that Wollie

Bleu Oleander: in what ways are they similar?

Zen Arado: depends on an external manipulator
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen Arado: would be worrying otherwise
Bleu Oleander: digital stings
Zen Arado: yes

Bruce Mowbray: Do you folks know about "Playing BIG" and "Playing LITTLE"?

Eliza Madrigal: images becoming animated... mingled both with will but some x factor too
Zen Arado: 'like a puppet on a string'
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: i remember that, bruce, it was a great story/idea
Agatha Macbeth: Something to do with baseball Bruce?
Zen Arado: no Bruce
Wol Euler: but it defintely bears repeating :)
Bleu Oleander: I am the voice behind my avatar and my puppets

Bruce Mowbray: Playing BIG is when you take on the character of that thing you're pretending to be (like a cowboy)...

Eliza Madrigal: just as "world at large" really... one might feel at times like all the life has drained from "everything"

Bruce Mowbray: Playing LITTLE is when you move little representations of the cowboy around...
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Bruce Mowbray: It seems to me that SL is a mix of the two.
Agatha Macbeth: Little and large
Eliza Madrigal: switchings and blendings
Bruce Mowbray: LITTLE and BIG.
Candace Ducatillon: yes ... sometimes you feel and act little, and other times big.
Bruce Mowbray: It's in the relationship you "take on" to that cowboy...
Candace Ducatillon: rather *me*
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal nods... and in spiritual circles sometimes one uses terms like higher self, etc

Bleu Oleander: one can feel like the character of your avatar as well as like the character of a puppet
Bruce Mowbray: whether you become it, or whether you let something else become it.

Zen Arado: so what is manipulating the manipulator?
Zen Arado: the rest of the universe?
Eliza Madrigal: manipulator on a different scale?
Bleu Oleander: we can't see our strings

Bruce Mowbray: ahhh! Excellent question! -- But for me, anyway, it's not really about "being manipulated" -- I guess I have a false sense of independence on that one.
Bruce Mowbray ponders causation types.
Bruce Mowbray: Aristotle's four.

Eliza Madrigal: sometimes I see the strings... propaganda I've bought into willingly or even set up for myself to buy into for a while
Eliza Madrigal: like a script
Bleu Oleander: our genes, environment and experience are our strings
Zen Arado: a myriad of influences
Candace Ducatillon: yes ... I would agree with that ... the conditioned script
Bruce Mowbray listens carefully for more from Eliza on "strings."
Bruce Mowbray: (or from anyone, of course!)
Eliza Madrigal: just thinking that sometimes we choose to take on roles for a time

Bleu Oleander: should correct that ... we can't see "all" of our strings

Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Zon!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Zon
Zen Arado: Hi Zon
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
Candace Ducatillon: Hello Zon

Eliza Madrigal: there is a lot being learned about dna... suppose we are busy at trying to see our stringyness
Bruce Mowbray: Do you feel welcome, Zon? Or manipulated?
Eliza Madrigal: what can be influenced and over what period of time
Bleu Oleander: complexity of strings
Zon Kwan: always welcome
Eliza Madrigal: that's the main thing with these discussions perhaps... we are looking at such a small sample of time... all we 'can' do really
Zen Arado: yeh a huge complexity

Bruce Mowbray: maybe they are "connections" - and valuable ones, not just strings.
Eliza Madrigal: :) glad Zon
Zen Arado: a huge mystery
Eliza Madrigal: open strings
Bruce Mowbray: Mystery holds far more than history.
Bruce Mowbray: (You can quote me on that!)
Zen Arado: we isolate small parts and think we understand them
Agatha Macbeth: Magical mystery tour
Zen Arado: only see patterns
Zen Arado: assume they wiil continue evermore
Zen Arado: but they don't
Bruce Mowbray: Just imagine what Indra's Net sees!
Zen Arado: then we are shocked
Agatha Macbeth: Quoth the raven evermore

Eliza Madrigal: I like that thought Bruce.. networks/connections...
Zen Arado: the beatles got that one right
Eliza Madrigal: and a dance of chance and willingness
Zen Arado: life as a magical mystery tour
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.google.com/search?q=indr...w=1845&bih=995

Zon Kwan: all is relations
Eliza Madrigal: yet Indra's Net too, is open ended...not a trapping net, or hm...guess it could be - "nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so" :)
Bruce Mowbray: "It's coming to take you away!"

Eliza Madrigal: so in five minutes, after the bell, if anyone who would like to pop over to zen retreat with me topause for a longer while would be welcome
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: I remember him killing the dragon
Bruce Mowbray: YES!
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Bruce Mowbray loves to pop.
Bleu Oleander: take care all
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Candace Ducatillon smiles
Bleu Oleander: bye for now
Eliza Madrigal: take care Bleu, gtsy
Bruce Mowbray: bye bye, Bleu!
Wol Euler: b ye bleu, take care
Zen Arado: bye Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bleu
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Lila!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lila :)

Wol Euler: hello lila :) bad timing, I'm afraid, we are going to break up after the bell at 2pm
Zen Arado: Hi Lila
Bruce Mowbray: Can you give us LM's for the Zen place, Eliza?

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: THANKS!
Zon Kwan: thanks
Eliza Madrigal: (in process)
Wol Euler: see you all there :)
Eliza Madrigal: love your dress Candace

Agatha Macbeth: Let us sally forth (or fifth)

Wol Euler: and goodnight to those who aren't going
Candace Ducatillon: ty
Eliza Madrigal: hugs and goodnight to those not joining... sys