2016.01.14 13:00 - TSK Session: Space Projecting Space into Space

The Guardians for this meeting were Eliza Madrigal and Mickorod Renard...

Riddle Sideways: ah, Eliza got here early for the best pillow :)
Eliza Madrigal: Aloha Riddle!
Eliza Madrigal: haha, I'm very strategic
Eliza Madrigal: signed on early to pet Bun Bun for a while... wonderful bunny
Riddle Sideways: how did you assign that as your fav?
Riddle Sideways: yes!!!!
Eliza Madrigal: I chose the one that protects my shoes
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cat :))
Riddle Sideways: you have right-clicked 'pet me'?
Eliza Madrigal: YES
Riddle Sideways: and no barking
Eliza Madrigal: genuinely feels close
Riddle Sideways: ok, wet shoes out of fountain
Eliza Madrigal laughs, sigh, George is barking even now
Catrinamonblue Resident: :) hi guys :)
Eliza Madrigal: How are you doing?
Wol Euler: evening all!
Riddle Sideways: <time greeting="" zone="">Wol
Catrinamonblue Resident: pretty good but has been a very busy week....
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :)) And Wester!!
Catrinamonblue Resident: hi Wol and Wester :)
Wester Kiranov: Hi all.
Wester Kiranov: Haven't been here for a while
Eliza Madrigal: Cat, its okay if not up on "homework" ;-)
Wol Euler: hello Wester, long time no see
Eliza Madrigal: yay, really nice to see you Wester
Riddle Sideways: gtsy Wester
Catrinamonblue Resident sighs... wasn't sure I was going to let on... I tried to read but kept getting pulled away......
Wester Kiranov: It's nice to be here again
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: I don't want to discourage anyone from "keeping up" but also don't want to make it seem necessary to keep up, to come to and enjoy sessions
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Eliza Madrigal: And Bruce :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :) I'll be listening very much today....
Riddle Sideways: darn, ya mean that the homework wasn't really due today
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick :))
Riddle Sideways: Mick and Bruce
Mickorod Renard: Hi Everyone
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, everyone.
Riddle Sideways: and bLeu
Eliza Madrigal: Wester, you took part in the TSK discussions we had a few years ago I remember
Wester Kiranov: I think I did, but it's been very long
Wester Kiranov: so I forgot most things
Eliza Madrigal nods, where I am too

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: Each time I go through the book, it's like a new revelation.... new discoveries.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stevee :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Stevie
Wester Kiranov: It's good to have a reason to read the book again
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Steve.
Wester Kiranov: and to discuss it with you guys
Riddle Sideways: and each re-read of a sentence was a new revelation :)
stevenaia Michinaga: waves
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'd like to give a few more minutes to see if anyone else will arrive...but not too long
Mickorod Renard: yes, me too..It sort of reminds me of the same questions I had a few years ago tho
Eliza Madrigal: does that seem negative, Mick?
Eliza Madrigal: daunting?
Mickorod Renard: no not at all..well not yet he he
Eliza Madrigal: ^.^
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Mickorod Renard: I think it was because I never resolved them I am still interested
Riddle Sideways: keep asking the questions until ya get the ones you want :)
Wester Kiranov: do you think these are resolvable questions?
Eliza Madrigal: good points
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, aggers.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha! :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: hi Aggers :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Aggers
Wester Kiranov: hi aggers
Mickorod Renard: I doubt it sometimes, because for me its about imagination and how much one can accept as practicable and useful
Wol Euler: hello Aggérs
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
Eliza Madrigal: Hi San :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi ags
Mickorod Renard: Hi san
Riddle Sideways: hi Aggers and San
Bleu Oleander: hi San :)
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, San-ji.
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi San :)
 

Official Beginning

Eliza Madrigal: Okay so let's begin now...
Eliza Madrigal: As written in emails, we are just beginning with the first section Space and chapter one Presence of Space....
Eliza Madrigal: It is, or I found it, an enjoyable chapter to read and spend time with
Eliza Madrigal: and presents interesting questions
Eliza Madrigal: one of which Wol brought up last week, but was too sleepy to elaborate on :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eliza Madrigal: So if still OK with Wol, I'd like to start there, and ask her to begin

here were the lines:
Wol Euler: we could probably spend a session just on the difference between space and things ...
Wol Euler: or the thingness of space

Mickorod Renard: can that be looked at again?
Mickorod Renard: ty
Wol Euler: Before we get too esxcited, let me say that jetlag is still beating me up. I fell asleep while re-reading the text a few minutes ago
Eliza Madrigal: :) sure, although it is hard to nudge you awake if you nod off, haha
Wol Euler grins.
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Riddle Sideways: close enough to poke Laggy Wol
Eliza Madrigal makes note that Riddle is in charge of keeping Wol awake
Wol Euler: actually I was thinking about that (whether "appreciation" might be a more appropriate word than "knowledge") and I think it might be best to hold that discussion *after* we get through the book
Wol Euler: lest it colour our perceptions
Wol Euler: hello ara!
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Eliza Madrigal: Welcome Ara, will give you a note :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Ara
Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Ara :)
arabella Ella: Hiya thanks Eliza!
Riddle Sideways pokes Wol
Wol Euler pokes back.
Catrinamonblue Resident grins
Wol Euler is waiting for a response to her thought.
Riddle Sideways: was that all? about space
Wol Euler: oh, I missed that
Mickorod Renard: well, its empty
Eliza Madrigal: I think that is wise, regarding appreciation
Mickorod Renard: he he
Wol Euler: thus proving myself utterly jetlagged
Bleu Oleander: agree with your thought Wol
Wol Euler: right *coughs*
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Mickorod Renard: that leaves things then
Bruce Mowbray: :)

Wol Euler: well, I haven't read the book before, and that comment last week was a tossed-out random thought. Imagine my surprise on seeing how well it lead into chapter one :)
Wol Euler: those who had read it before were probably chuckling
Wester Kiranov: space leaves things, things leave space...
Eliza Madrigal: :) intuitive, Wol
Wol Euler: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."
Wol Euler: so in our tradition at least, both space and things (singular thing) are present, together, right from the beginning
Agatha Macbeth: Think I read that book
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Wol Euler: it was a bestseller
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Wester Kiranov grins

Riddle Sideways: gotten from this book:
Riddle Sideways: space emcompasses everthing, like an infinite and transcendent One, G-d, Being (Shall we Play?).

--BELL--

Wol Euler: before reaching Ch.1 I was thinking mostly about the thing-ification of space, in the word "place"
Wol Euler: which makes a space (not Great Space) into a thing
Wol Euler: my home
Wol Euler: your car
Mickorod Renard: I like how we can feel trapped in a space and also not...depending on ones frame of mind
Bruce Mowbray: space (not Great Space) is a frame for experience?
Wol Euler: our phone conversation in which we both look in our memories at a building that we have both seen
Wol Euler: is also a space
Eliza Madrigal nods
Wol Euler: ((are we respecting the pauses?))
Riddle Sideways: not really
Wester Kiranov: (yeah)
Wol Euler: ok
Eliza Madrigal: ((sure))
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Eliza Madrigal: [I propose that if someone is in the middle of saying something (ie has the floor), then during the pause they keep composing, but not post until after]
Wol Euler: good idea
Wol Euler: things are in space, and space is in things too, like the pores in rock which let water drip into deep mines
Wol Euler: the rock is solid to our perception, but a space to the water
Wol Euler: Pema once said that an image of the universe at the scale of 1^15 metres is identical to the inside of the nucleus of an atom at a scale of 1^-15 metres
Wol Euler: so there is space "on both sides" of each thing, and in it
Wol Euler: I think that will do for now
Eliza Madrigal: thank you Wol, nice
Eliza Madrigal: I was wondering whether to go around the circle again, or alternatively, we can try to free form responses....
Eliza Madrigal: let's try the latter, or even, I can keep a queue
Riddle Sideways: either
Riddle Sideways: both
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: :) Okay let's try free form today and tweak as appropriate going forward
Mickorod Renard: or circular
Riddle Sideways: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: listens only at this point....
arabella Ella prefers to listen too for the moment
Eliza Madrigal: Stevie can we start with you this time?</time>

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Wol Euler: I had trouble with "space projecting space into space"
stevenaia Michinaga: me, as well, until I have something to say :)
Wol Euler: oh sorry
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, Wol, that's what I wanted to mention also
Wol Euler: please do :)
Eliza Madrigal: For me this has been a contemplation outside of the reading of the book
Riddle Sideways: Space is Projecting Space into Space" (SiPSiS) ? :)
Eliza Madrigal: because of all the things that stuck, it was this picture....
Eliza Madrigal: from the first reading, this feeling and drawing, sort of
Eliza Madrigal: of taking various vantage points
Eliza Madrigal: space as object as subject, as both at once, neither
Eliza Madrigal: a dance</time>

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Eliza Madrigal: for me, it is just something that feels good to visualize and work with
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: (done for now)
Santoshima Resident: { pls excuse me ... slips out for errands }
Bruce Mowbray: bye, San.
Eliza Madrigal waves to San
Bleu Oleander: suggestions of nuggets to imagaine
Agatha Macbeth: Slip well San
Eliza Madrigal nods, and applicable to the idea of the thingness of space
Eliza Madrigal: visualizations like that feel to make room
Eliza Madrigal: make something dealing with, more flexible and playful
Bleu Oleander: expanding mental space
Eliza Madrigal: there is a line in this reading about the world reflecting one's own relaxation</time>

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Riddle Sideways: and that the single work 'space' can be multiple things and used 3 times in the same sentences
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Wol Euler: space was considered to *be* a thing, literally, until the scientific revolution. It was believed that the universe was filled by an invisible imperceptible fluid called "ether", hence the word ethereal for heavenly/unworldly.

Bleu Oleander: do you think the word "space" is left specifically undefined for the purpose of not limiting one's imagination or vision of space?
Bleu Oleander: now its known that space is filled with fields
Bruce Mowbray ponders leaving space for diverse notions of space.</time>

<time greeting="" zone="">
--BELL--


Wester Kiranov: I think a definition of space would be not like this book
Eliza Madrigal: hard to nail down space?
Wester Kiranov: defintions being too enclosing
Riddle Sideways: right
Wester Kiranov: if you try to nail it down you won't be able to see all aspects
Riddle Sideways: even within a paragraph
Bruce Mowbray nods, agrees.
Eliza Madrigal: and yet there is also something to, even enclosing, what is enclosing or enclosed is still, space... kind of, open thingness ?
Catrinamonblue Resident: not that I have read deeply into this but feels that space is just space, around in and part of us
Mickorod Renard: I suspect all relevence is for only our percepton..

arabella Ella: is it not space that connects things within and out of space and also space that is full of communications being transmitted etc
arabella Ella: that is how i see the space and not space
Riddle Sideways: the part of the chapter about higher space and lower space
arabella Ella: although i must confess i have not yet managed to get myself a copy of the book
Wol Euler listens.
Riddle Sideways: ara :(
Wester Kiranov: There is something about this book about the joining of opposites
Wester Kiranov: (Ooops)
arabella Ella: Riddle living on a little island does not make acquiring stuff very easy
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Wester can you say more?
Wester Kiranov: (thinking)
Bleu Oleander: he makes reference to "psychological spaces" and to "overall understanding" as kinds of spaces too
Bruce Mowbray: Dorothy's "Oz" was a dream space . . . that enabled her to discover different aspects of herself: courage, thought, heart. Just pondering how spaces happen in our lives. . . and dreams are one way, for sure (e.g., this session, normally).
Mickorod Renard: that sound about right Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: nice example Bruce. like, does this virtual space seem less real than the space the virtual space seems situated in? Same sort of question
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
Bleu Oleander: different flavors of space perhaps
Eliza Madrigal: nice

Wester Kiranov: "Dichotomies like [...] object and space become resolved in the light of new and more accurate conceptions"
Bruce Mowbray nods. One of the reasons we go on vacations (e.g. to Cuba, Cat) is to expand our space. . . extend minds.
Wester Kiranov: And that's how it feels to me, very deep down, object and space are one
Wol Euler: is there any space beyond our perception of it?
Wol Euler: yes, wester, I have that feeling too
Wester Kiranov: If not, there would not be space without perceivers
Eliza Madrigal nods, considers
Bruce Mowbray ponders Wol's question . . .
Bleu Oleander: there is space beyond our perceptions of it ... our perceptions are limited
Riddle Sideways: Great Space allows that to appear
Wol Euler: I was wondering, as I fell asleep, if there is "space" in the interstellar void between stars, if there are no objects to occupy it and no perception to ... well, to be unable to grasp it I guess :)
Bleu Oleander: space is not empty
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.

  Expertise...  

Mickorod Renard: my view of a building would be more of a solid structure than say of an architect as they would see through the building using their understanding of construction...
Catrinamonblue Resident: why does space need to be empty or not empty? can it not just be space?
Bleu Oleander: space is filled with fields, infact you could say space is fields
Riddle Sideways: nods
Wester Kiranov: agree with the first, not sure about the second
Wol Euler nods thoughtfully.
Eliza Madrigal: I think that is an interesting notion to contemplate alongside of Wol's comment regarding water seeping into rocks
Wester Kiranov: I think space allows fields
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Eliza Madrigal: amazing how large subtle shifts of consideration can be
Wol Euler: so objects are temporary localized "thickening" of the not-empty void ...
Riddle Sideways: interstellar space has fields, but do all spaces
Wol Euler: which could be SiPSiS
Mickorod Renard: to see the greater space do we need to become experts at everything?
Wester Kiranov: I hope not
Eliza Madrigal: as though that were possible...
Riddle Sideways: or course / not really
Bruce Mowbray: not at all, Mick.
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: but maybe not terrible to imagine it possible

Riddle Sideways: SL allows many Laboratories for the appearance of experiences with different Focal Settings of Space.
Riddle Sideways: Sitting on a rock sipping tea in Luci's universe cube.
Riddle Sideways: walking through doors of the 4-dimentional house.
Bruce Mowbray: The "expert" football player forgets about his expertness and goes with the "space."
Eliza Madrigal delights in Riddle's example
Riddle Sideways: the experience of walking through Mesh walls. What 'looks' like a normal solid wall is liquid.
Wol Euler: a closed door is as solid as a brick wall to a dachshund
Catrinamonblue Resident: As I said space is space :)
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, interesting direction, thinking of the Taoist story of the butcher, too (will let others look that up rather than take time, if wished)
Catrinamonblue Resident: shuts up and sits on hands.... I know not what I speak......
Wester Kiranov: that's a nice story
Mickorod Renard: but space can be seen to be diferent in size..or spacyness from personal perception at any given time
Eliza Madrigal: oh Cat please don't, okay to have fun :))
Wol Euler whispers http://www.taoism.net/chuang/butcher.htm

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: (ty Wol)
Bruce Mowbray: The Taoist butcher is very close to footballer who has released himself into the space of the game.
Wol Euler: Cat, we are all just faking along to a greater or lesser degree ;-)
Riddle Sideways: s thanks
Eliza Madrigal nods Bruce
Bleu Oleander: grins at Wol
Riddle Sideways: yep, F-ing it
Bleu Oleander: "Great Faking"
Wol Euler: !
Riddle Sideways: lesser faking
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Bleu Oleander: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Faking hell
Wol Euler: Faking on the Wye</time>
 

<time greeting="" zone="">Is there not a primordial space, then...

Bruce Mowbray: Is there not a primordial space, then ... a larger space, a larger expansive "frame" --- ? (Just pondering, as usual.)
Catrinamonblue Resident: ok will thow a comment in here and there :) but really thinks that sometimes the most simple thing is just to accept it as it is, no explanations
Wester Kiranov: Does this mean that by becoming an expert you "open up" space in whatever you are an expert in?
Riddle Sideways: Great Space, Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: I value your comments, Cat -- and I value everyone's comments....
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Well, I wasn't thinking of Great Space, yet.
Wol Euler: yes, wester! excellent. Expertise takes away the objects that block your view of the space
Mickorod Renard: I was wondering that Wester..like I look at say an engine and see its inner workings in my minds eye
Bruce Mowbray: more like a larger, primordial field(s).

Mickorod Renard: I suppose it would be great if we knew what we actually were trying to find in this space inquiry
Eliza Madrigal: also can't help but think of negative space and positive space, the way an artist may suspend the tendency to draw an object and instead draw the space around it
Bruce Mowbray: But that would sort of defeat the purpose, wouldn't it Mick?
Eliza Madrigal: if we introduce intention, Mick?
Mickorod Renard: yes
Eliza Madrigal: for me this is very practical
Riddle Sideways: Mick, maybe that comes in the next chapters
Bruce Mowbray: If your shopping list is too tight, you miss the surprises in the store.
Wol Euler smiles.
Riddle Sideways: nice

Riddle Sideways: After slow reading, digessing, thinking, re-thinking this chapter
Riddle Sideways: It then ends with:
Riddle Sideways: "All this, of course, is still just a summary ..."
Eliza Madrigal grins
Mickorod Renard: he he , its not so much i want to jump to the next section,,just thinking aloud

Wester Kiranov: I actully found this chapter quite unweird still
Wester Kiranov: the really strange stuff is still to come
Mickorod Renard: thats it Wester!..I was not sure how wierd I need to think about it
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Riddle Sideways: oh goodie
Catrinamonblue Resident: oh dear.....
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Eliza Madrigal: love it

Eliza Madrigal: I'd like to introduce the Giant Body exercise before we close today, OR I can send it in email.
stevenaia Michinaga: or post it
Wol Euler: now?
Bruce Mowbray: I'm feeling that there are paradoxical issues (koans?) all along the way in this book. . . and that they sort of lure us on - in the best possible ways.
Catrinamonblue Resident listens
Bleu Oleander: must go all ... thank for sharing this space today!
Bruce Mowbray: Go ahead, Eliza.
Wester Kiranov listens
Bruce Mowbray also listens.
Eliza Madrigal: I've been so hesitant to interrupt such an interesting discussion. I love hearing from everyone
Bleu Oleander slips out quietly
Agatha Macbeth: Spaced out
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Bleu, bfn!
Riddle Sideways: by
Eliza Madrigal: the hour goes so fast
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Bleu.
Mickorod Renard: bye Bleu
Bleu Oleander: bye bye
Riddle Sideways: would love to hear Bruce, but time is well moving
Bruce Mowbray: Giant Body exercise. Very important.
Mickorod Renard: it may be that we have already touched on the relative points,,
Eliza Madrigal: Bruce, I can add the exercise to the log and end, so please say more?
Bruce Mowbray: kk, that would be good, Eliza,

Eliza Madrigal: we also have one more week with this specific reading, so no worries :)
Eliza Madrigal listens to Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: I'm just listening....
Bruce Mowbray: too!
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Bruce Mowbray: and enjoying our "space."
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: but there felt a little more to say from you....
Wol Euler: oh, next week still chapter one?
Eliza Madrigal crosses arms
Bruce Mowbray: Next week, chapter One. Cool.
Riddle Sideways: ha
Riddle Sideways: chapter one and exercise one
Agatha Macbeth: This is Chapter 0?
Bruce Mowbray: or do we move into Chapter 2 with the Giant? The Giant starts Chapter Two, if I recall rightly.
Eliza Madrigal: Okay...
Bruce Mowbray looks for his book.....
Eliza Madrigal: I want to introduce the exercise before we get to it...
Mickorod Renard: I like this discussion.......I am just unsure about where my imagination goes,,there was reference that imagination will turn to knowledge
Eliza Madrigal: because we have so little time to work with these
Eliza Madrigal: Okay, so I'll go ahead and post a prepared intro of the exercise....
Wol Euler: um, which version are we all reading? Mine has no exercise between one and two
Wester Kiranov: I would like to hear more about the Giant
Eliza Madrigal: and yes, next week we are continuing chapter one

Eliza Madrigal: Here goes:
Bruce Mowbray: The Giant is on the first page of Chap 2.

Eliza Madrigal: The Giant Body exercise is found on page 21, which is already into Chapter 2, but it would be good to begin to introduce it now. It has several layers and I'll leave it up to everyone to decide on their own how they far would like to go. There simply isn't enough time to go over every aspect together but we'll keep with it for a few weeks. Some are more easy visualizers than others. Don't be daunted.
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Wol Euler listens.
arabella Ella listens too
Wester Kiranov: I'll undaunt myself
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Riddle Sideways: wasn't daunted until now
Mickorod Renard: its a nice friendly giant
Agatha Macbeth: BFG
Riddle Sideways: can the baby image from 2001: space odesdey be used?
Agatha Macbeth: Snozzcumbers

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: I recon you could use any object you know alot about too
Riddle Sideways: Eliza poofed
Riddle Sideways: without saying by
arabella Ella: we lost her
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe George turned her off
Riddle Sideways: wb
arabella Ella: wb Eliza!
Agatha Macbeth: WB Liz
Eliza Madrigal: so sorry
Wol Euler: no worries
Agatha Macbeth: Part 2?
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Okay.... will pick up after "don't be daunted" ??
arabella Ella: BFG?
Mickorod Renard: big friiendly giant
Wester Kiranov: go on
Agatha Macbeth: Big Friendly Giant (R. Dahl)

Eliza Madrigal: At the least, we can look at Exercise 1, which on its own has a couple of steps:

A. Entertain in your mind's eye the image of a giant human body, either male or female. Visualize it as being very alive and real, and try to see the physical form in as much detail as possible. Concentrate very sensitively and take your time in building up a clear image. By doing this exercise over a period of days or weks, the image will become increasingly clear--a precision which is important for the success of this and all future exercises.

B. Once this image has stabalized somewhat, let your awareness (which is contained in a very small space compared to the giant's huge dimensions) move closer to the giant. Examine the giant's outer surface from all directions and from various distances, until you actually come in contact with its shape. Since you are so small, you will find that you can pass unimpeded though pores of the giant's skin. You can go on to explore its general inner structure-- its stomach, throat, mouth, nose, ears, lungs, intenstines, veins, and bones. Continue to conduct these general external and internal explorations for at least one week.

Eliza Madrigal: The reason I want to make a fair bit of time for this is because of the end line part A - it is the foundation for all other exercises

Eliza Madrigal: make sense?
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it makes excellent sense.
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Riddle Sideways: so if there is a weak foundation to build on ...
Mickorod Renard: a pici in the book
Eliza Madrigal nods. If you don't at least try, might be setting up oneself for a little frustration
Catrinamonblue Resident: foundations...... there are old memories with that word.........
Mickorod Renard: but you can refer to grays anatomy
Eliza Madrigal: true :)
stevenaia Michinaga: We've all seen Fantastic Voyage?
Wol Euler nods.
Catrinamonblue Resident: nope
arabella Ella: no?
Catrinamonblue Resident: will look it up.....

Bruce Mowbray: Exercise 1 is a sort of gate into what comes next. Very important to actually go through it . . .
Catrinamonblue Resident: k
Mickorod Renard: I may do further study at the lap dancing bar
Mickorod Renard: oops
Eliza Madrigal rolls eyes
Riddle Sideways: TMI
Catrinamonblue Resident: lol :)

Mickorod Renard: I have to go now
Eliza Madrigal: OK :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Wester Kiranov: bye mickey
Eliza Madrigal: thanks everybody who needs to go :)
Mickorod Renard: thankyou everyone
arabella Ella: bye Mick
Mickorod Renard: great session
Wol Euler: bye to the leavers
arabella Ella: thanks Eliza I must go too bye to all good night!
Riddle Sideways: pokes Wol ... ya can leave now
Wol Euler: thank you eliza and all
Wol Euler pokes back
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Wol Euler: I'm just waking up!
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, Mick and ara.
Eliza Madrigal: there are so many angles and sometimes I don't pick up on things everyone has said until I'm posting
stevenaia Michinaga: Yes, thank you Eliza
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: most welcome <3
Agatha Macbeth: ♥
Riddle Sideways: thanks Eliza for trying to herd us cats
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: meow
Eliza Madrigal: appreciate cats willing to be herded without biting
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Bruce Mowbray: Indeed. Gratitude to Elza, and purrs.
Catrinamonblue Resident: lol
Wol Euler: :)
Wester Kiranov purrs too
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Agatha Macbeth: ^.^
Bruce Mowbray: I'm off to scrape up din din, then. May all be happy in whatever "space" your in.
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: reminder also that discussion can be continued or elaborated upon in the wiki</time>

<time greeting="" zone="">
Riddle Sideways: so we do get to be water seeping into the Wol rocks
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: "be like water" ?
Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
Wol Euler: like Ganesh riding on a rat
Wol Euler: the image is wonderfully absurdly surreal if you take it literally
Catrinamonblue Resident: slips and skips away :) night all :0)
Agatha Macbeth: Tusk tusk
Eliza Madrigal: Night Cat
Agatha Macbeth waves
Wol Euler: bye cat, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Meow

Riddle Sideways: aggers, what is Snozzcumbers
Eliza Madrigal: "what contains what"
Agatha Macbeth: Oh they make you fart
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Eliza Madrigal: wow I missed a lot when the internet restarted here
Agatha Macbeth: So Mr Dahl said
Wester Kiranov: no, that's the drink that makes you fart
Eliza Madrigal: ooh, was thinking "the snozzberries taste like snozzberries..."
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe both then
Wester Kiranov: the snozzcumbers are just disgusting
Agatha Macbeth: Just blew in from the windy city
Agatha Macbeth: I way preferred Matilda
Agatha Macbeth: Was like reading about myself
Eliza Madrigal: as a child, or always?
Agatha Macbeth: Always
Riddle Sideways: hahaha
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Never found a Miss Honey tho :(
Wester Kiranov: time to leave
Eliza Madrigal: awww
Wester Kiranov: bye bye
Wol Euler: bye wester, nice to see you again
Eliza Madrigal: so glad you made it Wester
Agatha Macbeth: Iechyd da
Riddle Sideways: gtsy wester
Agatha Macbeth: Having a shower?

Eliza Madrigal: I want to look into what bleu was saying about fields
Wol Euler: yes, that sounds interesting
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe they have cows too
Wol Euler: ask her to give us an intro at an appropriate point
Riddle Sideways: maybe will go play in the holodeck
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: maybe she'll elaborate a bit more
Riddle Sideways: liked "ether' better before
Agatha Macbeth: She's a very elaborate person
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: yeah, that is the question... contrast field notion with ether notion
Wol Euler: intuitively correct, but didn'T have the words or the theoretical framework for the notion

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: there is a wonderful phrase, but it is rooted in buddhism so I don't bring it up in main part of session, that says "nothing at all yet everything arises from it" (Longchenpa)
Riddle Sideways: can't remember if there are now solar winds?
Agatha Macbeth: Is there a Shortchenpa too?
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Eliza Madrigal: maybe he knows about solar winds

Wol Euler: oh gods, I started making tea nearly an hour ago >:-|
Wol Euler: it will be ruined by now
Agatha Macbeth: No sugar for me
Eliza Madrigal: that's a sign of a good session though Wol
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: The jetlagged one strikes again
Wol Euler: really
Eliza Madrigal: have to re-do
Agatha Macbeth: Re do mi fa so la ti
Riddle Sideways: seems a long jetlaggy time
Wol Euler: but fortunately all is okay, I boiled the kettle but did not fill the teapot.
Riddle Sideways: maybe ya have a cold
Wol Euler: a week is about normal actually, and it's getting worse = longer as I get older
Eliza Madrigal: hydrate hydrate hydrate
Riddle Sideways: getter older sux
Agatha Macbeth: Hydr8
Riddle Sideways: wiggle your toes in a carpet

Eliza Madrigal: I need to go... daughter has resorted to putting dirty socks on me so that George will bother....
Wol Euler: ha!
Wol Euler laughs.
Agatha Macbeth: Kids eh
Riddle Sideways: laughs
Eliza Madrigal: that's my life :)))
Wol Euler: subtle hint
Agatha Macbeth: And dogs
Wol Euler: bye for now, dear eliza
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Riddle Sideways: by
Wol Euler: I shall move on too
Agatha Macbeth: Bye o orange one
Eliza Madrigal: bye for now, thanks so much for starting us off so well today Wol
Wol Euler: aww, thank you
Riddle Sideways: will go see bunbun
Wol Euler: it was my laggy pleasure
Eliza Madrigal: bye and thanks so much friends
Riddle Sideways: buy All
Eliza Madrigal: everyone should go see bun bun, btw :)
Wol Euler: take care, my dears
Eliza Madrigal: very comforting to pet bunny
Wol Euler: who?
Agatha Macbeth: Lag in RL, lag in SL...
Wol Euler: ah
Eliza Madrigal: Riddle's spot :)
Wol Euler: right
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: goodnight
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: waves
Agatha Macbeth: BFN
Agatha Macbeth: Love to Georgie

[ty Agatha <3]

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Added Jan. 16 by Bruce  (for those who may not have see it about halfway through this chat log):

Exercise 1       (page 21)

The Giant Body  

A.   Entertaining in your mind’s eye the image of the giant human body, either male or female. Visualize it as being very alive and real, and try to see the physical form in as much detail as possible. Concentrate very sensitively and take your time in building up a clear image. By doing this exercise over a period of days or weeks, the image will become increasingly clear - a precision which is important for the process of this and future exercises

B.   Once this image has stabilized somewhat, let your awareness (which is contained in a small space compared to the giant’s huge dimensions) move closer to the giant. Imagine the giant’s outer surface from all directions and from various distances, until you actually come in contact with its shape. Since you are so small, you will find that you can pass unimpeded through the pores of the giant’s skin. You can go on to explore its general

inner structure - it’s stomach, throat, mouth, nose, ears, lungs, intestines, veins, and bones. Continue to conduct these general external and internal explorations for at least one week.

Exercise 2 Internal Details

A.  Now, concentrate more on the body’s internal organs, veins, tissues, and fluids. It might be helpful to use a physiology text as a guide in exploring this level of the body’s composition. Try to visualize the surfaces of these interrelating structures in as much vivid and accurate detail as you can.

B.  Now examine the internal details of each of these structures themselves. Notice that you are small enough to observe the cells, molecules, bacteria, and so forth that constitute the tissues and fluids. A text on microbiology, or Lennart Nilsson’s Behold Man, can provide visual inspiration for this exploration.