2016.01.28 13:00 - TSK Session: Giant Body, Imagination and Knowing

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    The Guardians for this meeting were Eliza and Mick.

    Those unable to attend session, and those who would like to post a report, comment or question, are encouraged to do so on the following page: 2016.01.28 - Giant Body


    For this coming week:
    Continue reading Chapter 2 - The Body and Human Embodiment, and working with the Giant Body exercise(s) throughout the chapter. Officially, we are beginning with exercise 6, however everyone should move at their own pace and not hurry.

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    (greetings at the bottom of the page)
    Eliza Madrigal: These sessions seem to fly by, so I don't want to wait too long to begin
    Mickorod Renard: hey Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Let's start.
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ready steady...
    Mickorod Renard: go
    Eden Haiku: ((Bleu))
    Eliza Madrigal: This week is a follow up of last week, with the additions of part of chapter two, up to exercise 5 "released to space"
    Eliza Madrigal: I want to say before we start, since I seem to get so caught up in the energy that I am scattered by end of session, that this week to next, covers the rest of the chapter
    Wol Euler nods.
    Agatha Macbeth ponders a scattered Liz
    Eliza Madrigal: I hope everyone got my note about that after last session :)
    Mickorod Renard: yep
    Eliza Madrigal: What we worked with this week, were the first two exercises in chapter 2, and
    Exercise 3 - the microlevel,
    Exercise 4- just interactions and shining outlines,
    Exercise 5 --Released to space

     

    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Eliza Madrigal: So let's go around, and hear from everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: who would like to begin?
    stevenaia Michinaga: CAn I since I only took things to excercise 3
    Bruce Mowbray: I prepared something earlier...
    Bruce Mowbray: kk, steve!
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must have misread something somewhere
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure, we can start with Stevie then move to Bruce, Mick, etc
    stevenaia Michinaga: but in any case
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, start with steve, please.
     

    Stevenaia

    stevenaia Michinaga: I may have mangled the excercises
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
    Agatha Macbeth: They'll dry quicker
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (or have been creative with it)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I was having dificulty finding the time to do these so I decided to do them before bed, as in to lul myself to sleep
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: and trust me I have never slept so good this past week
    stevenaia Michinaga: in each case after laying down and breathing deeply I would enter the "body"
    stevenaia Michinaga: almost floating through it on a blood platelet like a magic carpet
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eden Haiku loves the image
    stevenaia Michinaga: then fining my way around going deeper to the atomic and subatomic level, only to find that "things " at that lever moved very fast for the smaller me, and at least 5 of the night I fell instantly asleep
    stevenaia Michinaga: done
    Bruce Mowbray: [wow]
    Eliza Madrigal: that sounds so energetic, not mangling at all
    Mickorod Renard: lovely
    Eliza Madrigal: healthful to sleep too!
    stevenaia Michinaga: atoms were fast, quarks were hard to see
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting that you stopped there... maybe moving forward will try to inch a little farther
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think I could do this for a very long time
    Eliza Madrigal: ty
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ready Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: kk
     

    Bruce


    Bruce Mowbray: To make my input go faster, I will copy paste what I wrote earlier. Hope it makes sense. Here goes…. (I hope not too mangled.)
    Bruce Mowbray: Could the body of the Giant be my own body? --- My tentative hypothetical answer: “Yes, I could be the imagined Giant.”
    Bruce Mowbray: The Giant’s body (now my own body) presents itself as “an infinitely complex cluster of translucent outlines.” (p.28)
    Bruce Mowbray: Is the agent of exploration - which the author calls a “knowing presence” - also infinite? Or, does my imagination’s “knowledge” require perceptual filters through which it frames the properties of shape, color, texture, translucence, extension, etc.?
    Bruce Mowbray: Again, a tentative “Yes.” My imagination’s ‘knowledge’ is limited by such frames and filters.
    Bruce Mowbray: The exercises encourage us to imagine the Giant’s infinity of outlines as bright, alive, intangible, and ecstatic. Thus, I am a finite perceptual agent exploring myself as an infinite object. -- This seems to be my predicament in every conceivable encounter and exploration in life, including the imaginary ones. (More and more, I’m thinking that ALL encounters have such an imaginary component to them.)
    Bruce Mowbray: The author intended that the outcome of Exercises 1-5 would be for us to know that “Things are fundamentally nothing but [infinite] space.” (p.30)
    Bruce Mowbray: (too fast?)
    Mickorod Renard: great
    Eliza Madrigal reading more slowly than posted
    Bruce Mowbray: However, my imagination’s exploration of my own “Giant body” seems to involve two substantially different “things”: a finite one (the agent that imagines, explores, and “knows”) and an infinite one (the Giant as myself.) – It seems a paradox that the latter would contain the former.
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, fine
    Bruce Mowbray: Tentative conclusion à I can imagine and “know” two things: (1) that my body is nothing but infinite, unlimited space (p.30) and (2) that my infinite body contains a finite imagining-knowing agency – limited by its own frameworks of perception and conceptualization. [done]
    Mickorod Renard: fantastic
    Eliza Madrigal: yes.... interesting focus on the seeming paradox there
    Wol Euler: have you perhaps just discovered the self? :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ty.

    --BELL--

    Bruce Mowbray: perhaps the self as an observing agency..

    Bruce Mowbray: Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: I wanted to say what Bruce said, ..but i can't
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles, so say what Mick would say, lol
    Eden Haiku: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: !! Sure you can!
     

    Mick


    Mickorod Renard: I spent some time doing the exercises , initially feeling like previously where it was an imaginary exploration using the imagination.
    Mickorod Renard: I felt like a cross between swimming and a space walk without need for air or a rope. I just moved around as my thoughts desired yet also felt a need to twist and squirm a bit to get around or through obstacles.
    Mickorod Renard: I didnt find it difficult to do as the text asked although I feel in doubt about my genuine ability as it feels a little fake.
    Mickorod Renard: Whilst doing one part I did have a strange experience. i was trying to imagine not using my perspective as that from my eyes and all of a sudden flipped into another mode. It was a bit like when you try and turn something semi rigid inside out. it sort of just popped.
    Mickorod Renard: It transformed me to a position with no bodily awareness but out in space looking past or through my body at a distance and then further at the body I was viewing. The feeling was very strange in that I felt the separation from body and the calm and peace of being without living attachment.
    Mickorod Renard: Finally i imagined the body as glowing lines that could also be permeated and could be seen as nothing more than light although I found it quite exciting and passing through any beams made me feel tickled slightly.
    Mickorod Renard: I cannot say at this point I feel I have grasped anything, I will be patient. ...done
    Eliza Madrigal nods the book does suggest trying to see without usual eyes. Feel captivated by your experiences
    Mickorod Renard: sorry for not being mindful
    Eliza Madrigal smiles. You had the floor, so quite OK
    Bruce Mowbray: That was wonderful, Mick.
    Mickorod Renard: ty
    Eliza Madrigal: Bleu?
     

    Bleu


    Bleu Oleander: I'm fascinated with the way we can use our imagination ... to take us to any place we can create in our minds
    Bleu Oleander: I love that most about being human
    Eden Haiku: passing though the beams...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bleu Oleander: I remembered a video I saw once .... about the inside of a cell as imagined by an artist
    Agatha Macbeth: I read that as beans
    Bleu Oleander: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_zD3NxSsD8
    Eden Haiku: ;)
    Bleu Oleander: when I saw this I realized how far I could push my imagination
    Bleu Oleander: I did however disagree with the author's conclusion when he said that the exercise lost a point of view
    Bleu Oleander: I think our point of view is always there but we can of course imagine that its not
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Riddle Sideways: or not
    Bleu Oleander: I loved when everything poofed
    Bleu Oleander: imagination is great
    Bleu Oleander: ok done
    Bruce Mowbray: "focal setting = point of view?
    Eliza Madrigal: ty!
    Mickorod Renard: nice video, ty
    Eliza Madrigal: (btw, everyone after the circle we can comment more freely so please take note of what others have mentioned if strikes you)
    Bruce Mowbray: ty, Bleu.
    Eliza Madrigal: Wester?

    Wester

    Wester Kiranov: I had the flu last week so today I'm just listening
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay, hope you are feeling better?
    Bruce Mowbray: Get well soon, Wester.
    Bleu Oleander: awww hope you're feeling better!
    Mickorod Renard: hope u r over it now
    Riddle Sideways: feel better
    Bruce Mowbray notes Wester is floating...
    Eden Haiku: she is!
    Riddle Sideways: so is Bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: :) cushion seems to be playing with Wester
    Bruce Mowbray: !!
    Wester Kiranov: i don't understand the floating . just ignore it pls
    Wol Euler: yup, you both are
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Okay... Riddle?
    Eden Haiku: Indeed!
    Riddle Sideways: k
     

    Riddle


    Riddle Sideways: (also) copies from the week's notes
    Riddle Sideways: Ex. 2 Internal Details
    Riddle Sideways: focus is changing, but jumping around.
    Riddle Sideways: passing in-out-between structures, systems
    Riddle Sideways: the edge/boundry of one structure is not so solid already.
    Riddle Sideways: cells/bacteria are whole systems
    Riddle Sideways: yet are also absorbing, influencing and 'relating' to others around them.

    Riddle Sideways: x. 3 The Microlevel
    Riddle Sideways: On atomic and sub-atomic levels the interactions, relations, influencing of other neighbors still happens
    Riddle Sideways: seems the same as exersize 2
    Riddle Sideways: \However, the commentary is talking about 'Knowing', unknowing, unknowable
    Riddle Sideways: as if the author thinks me so struck in my body-mind that free thinking can not happen
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz
    Eden Haiku: Oh! Eliza poofed!
    Riddle Sideways: [disregards early bell]
    Riddle Sideways: "Our way of relating to our bodies is often very rigid..."
    Riddle Sideways: some anger over doing exercise 3 as knowing and experiencing the small levels
    Bruce Mowbray: I will give chat to her when she comes back.
    Riddle Sideways: yet an author is preaching that it must be unknown.

    --BELL--

    Riddle Sideways: Ex. 4 Just Interactions and Shining Outlines
    Riddle Sideways: 4A. was already being practiced earlier. Going up/down, through/across and jumping levels, systems, structures

    Riddle Sideways: 4B. Now the exercise is getting to where Riddle was already.
    Riddle Sideways: Seeing all structures at the time nested within each other.
    Riddle Sideways: Seeing through to bones, yet seeing the shinning ghosts of the outer/covering layers
    Bruce Mowbray nods.

    Riddle Sideways: 4C. Gets really exciting because that was what wanted to be done
    Riddle Sideways: Seeing from all view points at once.
    Riddle Sideways: Focusing by not focusing singlarly
    Riddle Sideways: years ago in an article read that the eye ball really focuses on one spot then very quickly move focus to another spot to build a composite
    Riddle Sideways:really liked that and have that in use on the mind's eye often

    Riddle Sideways: Ex.5 Relased to Space
    Riddle Sideways: 5A. brightening the outlines did not always work. Dimming the outlines seems easier
    Riddle Sideways: the phrase "ecstatic quality" needed to be researched, but worked in the end :)

    Riddle Sideways: 5B. removing the lines, melding all was easy
    Riddle Sideways: not having "Points of view" was a big opener
    Riddle Sideways: not using the art of 'Perspective" as taught in art class to draw a landscape
    Riddle Sideways: seemed to be what had been going on already and took force to stop at the boundries/outlines/made-up edges
    Agatha Macbeth: WB dear
    Riddle Sideways: wb
    Wol Euler: wb
    Mickorod Renard: wb
    Wester Kiranov: wb liz

    Riddle Sideways: One more point ...
    Riddle Sideways: am having issues with the use of the word "Imagination"
    Eliza Madrigal: (apologies, and thanks Bruce for notes)
    Eden Haiku: ?
    Riddle Sideways: think sometimes "point of view" or freeing focus setting might be better
    Riddle Sideways: but imagining mostly works ok (if not used rigidly)
    Riddle Sideways: done
    Riddle Sideways: wb wester
    Eden Haiku: impressed by 'seing through to bones"
    Bruce Mowbray ponders "imagination" vs. "perception"
    Eliza Madrigal: caught up now and actually your description of process is really vivid Riddle
    Mickorod Renard: i too was unsure about the viewing point..if thats what the book meant
    Eden Haiku: And eyeball creating composite by moving focus...
    Eliza Madrigal: I think there is more room to play with things than the book suggests, which is good because we all seem to be doing so
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Eden, ready?
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Eden Haiku: yes

    Eden


    Eden Haiku: Trying to catch up with you all...
    Mickorod Renard: nice Riddle ty
    Eden Haiku: Just starting with part b of the Giant Body exercise after about a week doing part a which was very inspiring and comparatively easy.
    Agatha Macbeth runs faster
    Eden Haiku: Travelled to the giantess body in the sky and could feel her skin under my bare tiny feet but I didn't manage to go through a pore yet.
    Eden Haiku: Kind of scared.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eden Haiku: On a second attempt, I met my deceased father coming from the stars, landing and walking towards me on the skin of the giantess.
    Eden Haiku: I was very pleased to see him and saw that the giant body reunites the dead as well as the living.
    Eden Haiku: Thought about the communion of the saints and had a glimpse of the giant body as the mystical body of Christ.
    Eden Haiku: The end:)
    Mickorod Renard: Wow
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Riddle Sideways: ty
    Wol Euler: how nice to meet your father again
    Wester Kiranov: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) am awed by such allowing
    Riddle Sideways: and yes, going into somebodies pores is yucky
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eden Haiku: Reassuring Riddle :)
    Eliza Madrigal: haha

    Eliza Madrigal: Agatha? :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Pass
    Agatha Macbeth: Wollie
    Eliza Madrigal: k :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Wollie


    Wol


    Wol Euler: I haven't done as much as I wanted this week, too much RL stuff swallowing my time. But I do have a few observations.
    Wol Euler: I hadn't realized until Eden said just now about the pores, that I had avoided that too. I didn't enter the body through a pore but waited until my "perceiving point" was small enough to slip between cells. Perhaps I too found that unconsciously offputting.
    Wol Euler: the idea in exercise four about perceiving instead of seeing (not going to stop to look up the actual words) puzzled me a little
    Wol Euler: I wasn't sure whether I "see" the exercises or not, wasn't sure how to make that distinction with certainty
    Wol Euler: "I" am very seldom in the exercise space (or body), it happens around my perception
    Bruce Mowbray nods, agrees with Wol.
    Mickorod Renard: mmmm yes, same confusion for me
    Bruce Mowbray nods again.
    Riddle Sideways: nods also
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Wol Euler: looking at the beginning of Bleu's video was another difference: I don't see the bodybits in that kind of colour and detail, I "see" volume and motion and interaction, and the space between
    Wol Euler: which I realized during the exercise is very much like how I keep a building project in my head
    Wol Euler: not drawings but volumes and surfaces, and the processes that act on them

    --BELL--

    Wol Euler: at all scales, from a block in the city to the screw in a doorhandle
    Wol Euler: one last thing, then I'll shut up
    Wol Euler: I loved exercise five!
    Wol Euler: it was so exciting!
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Mickorod Renard: tingly for me
    Wol Euler: when the outlines became lines
    Wol Euler: like ribbons in space
    Eden Haiku: the architect in you Wol :)
    Wol Euler: and I could ride on them like a rollercoaster, or a bicycle on a hilly road
    Wol Euler: it was lovely
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: wonderful, yes!
    Mickorod Renard: nice Wol
    Wol Euler: and the "line" was only a momentary perception, because the entire 3d surface was that line, all the possible lines, all existing but only one real for me at the moment
    Wol Euler: wonderful!
    Wol Euler: (done)
    Mickorod Renard: nice
    Eliza Madrigal feels very full, listening to accounts
    Riddle Sideways: now have that image of Wol on bicycle stuck
    Eden Haiku: A roller coaster exercise, wow!
    stevenaia Michinaga: I have to step away, see you soon
    Wol Euler grins.
    Riddle Sideways: by by
    Mickorod Renard: bye Stevie
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, steve. ty.
    Agatha Macbeth: Step well Steve
    Eliza Madrigal: bfn Stevie
    Wester Kiranov: bye steve
    Wol Euler: bye stevie, take care
    Eden Haiku: Bye Steve:)
    Eliza Madrigal: I spent some time with that 'seeing without eyes' question and what I came to feel was that this is where we begin moving into our bodies more, in a way, out of our heads as primary see-ers... where the knowledge moves from academic to hands on, in a way, in mind to in hands...
    Eliza Madrigal: or at least that's my sensibility about why it was phrased that way
    Eliza Madrigal: I've often noticed that my energy can be concentrated in my face....
    Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
    Eliza Madrigal: and have had a practice of trying to let that be more evenly distributed
    Eliza Madrigal: hah, that may sound weird, but it is one way to work with the idea maybe
    Wol Euler nods.
     

    Eliza


    Eliza Madrigal: So my report is...
    Eliza Madrigal: I was helped a great deal by listening to others last week,
    Bruce Mowbray nods, has had the same feeling.
    Eliza Madrigal: and by inspiring sessions during this week
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eliza Madrigal: I feel as though it was a rough runway, but then there was lift-off...
    Eliza Madrigal: others described something I went through, in seeing my predelections for skipping some parts
    Eliza Madrigal: taking short cuts to get to the fun stuff
    Eliza Madrigal: I wanted into those outlines!
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: but I did slow myself down a bit. Earlier in the week I wrote another report on the wiki as well, about going into a kind of sally naturally, but then deciding not to go in that direction
    Eliza Madrigal: there is a lot of energy where we are now
    Wol Euler: oh yes
    Eliza Madrigal: so it is easy to feel a little overloaded
    Riddle Sideways: or freed
    Eliza Madrigal: but I think as long as we pay attention to ourselves, we can go at the paces we are comfortable with
    Eliza Madrigal: YES
    Bruce Mowbray nods, agrees.
    Eliza Madrigal: I want to paste one section...


    "We may begin the exercises by 'imagining', but may progress beyond that to learn to 'know' in new and quite incontrovertable ways.

    Our 'knowing' is usually a simple conjuring up of conventional elements; but we may now learn, instead, more about how the conventional world of appearance merges and unfolds in terms of bodies, knowers, and things known.

    This new type of knowledge *may* be concerned more with an open field or dimension--which makes it possible to take up various points of view-- than with the observed objects deriving from such particular points of view.

    We will have to explore further to decide. Perhaps there is a balance possible between the two concerns."



    Eliza Madrigal: ty done
    Riddle Sideways: ah, thank you. that is the issues with "imaging"
    Wol Euler: thank you Eliza, and everyone
    Bleu Oleander: say more about "imagining"?
    Mickorod Renard: thank you all very much
    Eden Haiku: Will try Wol's strategy and scale down my view point in order to slide down between pores so as to avoid the sweaty pores of the giant body :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Bleu... I would like to hear that.


    Riddle Sideways: had issues with this all being Imagination
    Bleu Oleander: how so?
    Mickorod Renard: I wonder if imagining has another meaning in other languages
    Eliza Madrigal: we begin with imagination
    Riddle Sideways: and not taking it to 'knowing'
    Eliza Madrigal: ah


    Bleu Oleander: what is the threshold for you?
    Bruce Mowbray remembers that Einstein's "thought experiments" involved imagination -- and often, paradox.
    Wol Euler: I think that is his point, though, when he talks about knowing through our bodies
    Bleu Oleander: from imagining to knowing
    Eliza Madrigal: good question, to ask about our thresholds
    Bleu Oleander: isn't imagining knowing as well?
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Riddle Sideways: yes, to Eliza
    Eden Haiku: Imagination as a vehicle transporting us to nodes of reality maybe?
    Eliza Madrigal: I think of it as 'traction'... imagination like reaching, and knowing like riding
    Eliza Madrigal nodding Wol and Eden
    Wol Euler: let us remember this point of the discussion, to come back to it much later :)
    Bleu Oleander: my imagination feels more like riding for me
    Bruce Mowbray loved Eliza's metaphor of runway and takeoff -- That's how I think of imagination.
    Eden Haiku: Yes, me too, lovely metaphor!
    Eliza Madrigal: there is some point at which, maybe like Bruce's or was it Mick's *pop* where it seems to turn and engage
    Mickorod Renard: I am still not sure
    Eliza Madrigal: where one isn't 'trying' anymore as much
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: a "shift," Mick?


    Bleu Oleander: I think of imagination as creating perceptions without the input from the senses
    Eden Haiku: When we know IT IS real :)
    Eliza Madrigal nods nods
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting Bleu... your line seems to be unique
    Bleu Oleander: unique?
    Eliza Madrigal: when I'm in imagining stage I'm usually pulling up materials or possibilities
    Mickorod Renard: I guess one can imagine something very real
    Bleu Oleander: how do you see it?
    Eliza Madrigal: not yet really actively working with it yet


    --BELL--


    Eliza Madrigal: but then again I can remember my kids in deep imaginative play, which was a bit different...already engaged
    Bleu Oleander: but you are when you imagine materials or possibilities ... you're working with interior perceptions, no?
    Mickorod Renard: bleu's bit I think of imagination as creating perceptions without the input from the senses'...seems a good explanation
    Bruce Mowbray: One can play with toy animals.... or one can play as if she were an animal... Which is more "real"?
    Wol Euler: do we know the landscape of familiar places in SL, or do we imagine them?
    Riddle Sideways: good point
    Wol Euler: I surely know my own dreams ...
    Eliza Madrigal: hmmm
    Bruce Mowbray: I was quite disoriented when the PaB lands changed, Wol. So, perhaps my imagination was weak with that.
    Eliza Madrigal: dreams are a good example too, ie when is one lucid
    Bleu Oleander: what's perceived in the interior is just as real as any perception
    Eliza Madrigal: I do think this exercise gives us sight of our own thresholds, ie "where do we stop?" "where are we hesitating?"


    Eden Haiku: this reminds me of a conversation I had decades ago with other 12 years old girls :)
    Wol Euler listens.
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, Eden? :))
    Eden Haiku: Well,,,no story really, just is this real? is this just a dream you know...
    Mickorod Renard: we may never know that 'pop' thing I had though:
    Bruce Mowbray: I think children's story-myths are meant to carry us over the threshholds.
    Eden Haiku: mmm, yes...
    Bleu Oleander: all perceptions are real ... some which get input from the senses may prove more useful for navigating the world and surviving


    Eliza Madrigal: does anyone have a sensibility about where the energy of the explorations comes from? that ecstatic-ness mentioned?
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow. Wonderful question, Eliza.
    Eden Haiku: loves that: all perceptions are real. Thanks Bleu.
    Mickorod Renard: I wondered that, many of us shared that same moment
    Wol Euler: to me it's a feeling of liberation from constraint that I didn't know I was under
    stevenaia Michinaga: back
    Wol Euler: wb
    Bruce Mowbray: wb
    Eliza Madrigal: hm
    Eden Haiku: Yes, it is exhilarating
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    Wol Euler: the dictatorship of being stuck in a body at one point in spacetime
    Bleu Oleander: perhaps from a unmooring from a world of the senses?
    stevenaia Michinaga: back to my original "trip metaphor, everyone love a road trip, this one is fueled by the mind


    Mickorod Renard: I would like to add, when i had the pop and ended up viewing from somewhere outside my body,,there was something else I noticed. It was that I felt that the source of my conciousness wasnt actually in my body and that that had been an illusion all my life and that it rests elsewhere
    Wol Euler: oh!
    Bleu Oleander: road trip of the mind ... nice
    Eden Haiku: oh!
    Eliza Madrigal nods...
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh!
    Bruce Mowbray: fascination perception, Mick.
    Eliza Madrigal: liberation
    stevenaia Michinaga: BFN, can't wait to read what I missed
    Mickorod Renard: obviously i am caged up again now
    Wol Euler: bye again, stevie, take care
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, steve.
    Riddle Sideways: by
    Eliza Madrigal waves :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Byee
    Wester Kiranov: bye steve
    Eden Haiku: Bye Steve :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye steve
    Riddle Sideways: good, Mick
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Wester Kiranov: time for me to leave too
    Eliza Madrigal: We've passed session time....
    Mickorod Renard: bye wester
    Wol Euler: bye wester
    Eden Haiku: Take care Wester :)
    Riddle Sideways: by
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Wester.
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks everyone, so very much.


    Wol Euler: I have to admit, I feel quite envious of the people who met somebody during their giant body explorations

    Eden Haiku: Thanks to you Eliza :)
    Mickorod Renard: ok, bye folks..am still around one more week
    Wol Euler: Eden and -- was it Mick?
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Riddle.
    Bleu Oleander: another time that flew by!!
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, mick.
    Eliza Madrigal: These sessions overflow and I'm so glad to read the other sessions as well - journey is very exciting with others
    Eden Haiku: Bye Mick!
    Wol Euler: bye all, take care, imagine well
    Mickorod Renard: bye :)
    Eliza Madrigal: bye everyone who must go, thanks so much for being so all in :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Thank you, Eliza and everyone.
    Eden Haiku: Traveling companions are great :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Everyhone's a winner baby
    Mickorod Renard: thankyou everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: when we show up together there is just nothing like it :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eden Haiku: waves to those leaving :)
    Eliza Madrigal: new fancy suit Riddle?

    Bleu Oleander: like a beautiful song being sung by a choir
    Riddle Sideways: this ol thing?
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eden Haiku: Great metaphor Bleu :)
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed Bleu
    Wol Euler: elegant.
    Bleu Oleander: til next time .... hugs all
    Riddle Sideways: hugs
    Eliza Madrigal: hugs and thanks, Bleu
    Wol Euler: goodnight all, take care
    Eden Haiku: Hugs
    Bleu Oleander: bye bye
    Wol Euler: tahnk you again, dear Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Nigh Wol, sleep well
    Agatha Macbeth: Are you supposed to be green Tara Liz?
    Eliza Madrigal: ((ty!))
    Eden Haiku: Goodnite Wol :)
    Wol Euler: for herding us all so well
    Eden Haiku: Our hurding George :)
    Eliza Madrigal: my other appearance is more Tara-y I think
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm


    Eliza Madrigal: did you see they talked about naming the new planet George? heheh
    Wol Euler: o.O
    Eliza Madrigal: weird
    Agatha Macbeth: Well anything's better than planet X
    Eliza Madrigal: but they moved on from that idea :)
    Eden Haiku: No?
    Eden Haiku: Oh, that's sad :) Puppy would have appreciated that :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Riddle Sideways: there is a dog star
    Eliza Madrigal: true
    Eden Haiku: ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Are you Sirius?
    Eden Haiku: What is it Riddle?
    Wol Euler: oh damnit to hell.
    Wol Euler: I forgot
    Agatha Macbeth: Wot?
    Eliza Madrigal looks at Agatha
    Wol Euler: what's his brother's name?
    Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, maybe dreamed that or saw in a comet
    Agatha Macbeth: Who?
    Wol Euler: Sirius Black, what's his brother's name
    Wol Euler: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
    Eliza Madrigal: Regulus
    Eden Haiku: Sirius Black you mean?
    Agatha Macbeth: Jet?
    Wol Euler: "are you sirius?" "no, I'm regulus"
    Wol Euler: thank you
    Wol Euler curtseys.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Agatha Macbeth pushes Wol in the water
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Eden Haiku: Regulus, that,s it!


    --BELL--


    Wol Euler grins.
    Eliza Madrigal: the exercises seem to lead naturally to space ...sometimes when I'm in the body I shift images and just float around.... stevie's right that it is good for sleep
    Wol Euler: bunch of geeks <3
    Agatha Macbeth: He's a Regulus guy
    Eden Haiku: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: fancy geeks <3
    Eliza Madrigal: love you guys....
    Agatha Macbeth: The geeks shall inherit the earth
    Wol Euler: I do fall asleep while doing the exercises, but I just put it down to being overworked
    Wol Euler: not to any intrinsic quality
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure it is that too Wol...
    Eden Haiku: Yes the exercises have a special quality...Peace inductive :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but anything that lets one deeply relax
    Eliza Madrigal: I think I would have been stuck longer if not for the beautiful reports from others
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: really loosened things up
    Riddle Sideways: like ice breakers?
    Agatha Macbeth: You loose woman you


    Eden Haiku: Yes, listening to other experiences really liberates...
    Eliza Madrigal: Eden took over Riddle's session and wrote a wonderful piece....
    2016.01.26 07:00 - Riding the Subway into the Giant Body (Tuesday Morning Soliloquy)
    Riddle Sideways: and did a Wonderful job
    Riddle Sideways: and report
    Riddle Sideways: and story
    Riddle Sideways: Thank you
    Agatha Macbeth: That's our Edie

    Eden Haiku: Thanks Riddle. What happened to you?
    Riddle Sideways: was in San Francisco
    Eliza Madrigal nods.... thought about the Giant Body as movements... like when you see groups of birds or animals in formations....
    Wol Euler: oh, poor you :)
    Riddle Sideways: sent an email to group
    Agatha Macbeth: Is the bridge still up?
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Eden Haiku: Ah! so many emails in inbox I never find anything....Sorry I missed it Riddle
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Eliza Madrigal: :)


    Eliza Madrigal: hugs all, closing my eyes and jumping now <3 byeeeee
    Agatha Macbeth: Jump well
    Riddle Sideways: byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
    Eden Haiku: Bye Eliza darling :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: I shall move on too
    Wol Euler: goodnight, my dears
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Wol Euler: imagine well
    Riddle Sideways: niters
    Wol Euler: and don'T get lost.
    Eden Haiku: Have fun TSKeing!!!
    Wol Euler: clumsy aggers!
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Agatha Macbeth: The fall guy
    Wol Euler giggles.
    Wol Euler: easily amused
    Agatha Macbeth: A bientot edie

     

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    Beginning of session:

    Eden Haiku: I notice you cut your hair :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles... twisted it around
    Eliza Madrigal: took ages
    Eliza Madrigal: lol
    Eden Haiku: Ah!!!
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eden Haiku: Hello Bruce :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Eden you wrote the most wonderful piece about your exploration this week
    Eliza Madrigal: I placed a link that I hope others saw, but hope you'll mention again
    Eden Haiku: oh, thank you Eliza :) Had much fin doing this!
    Eliza Madrigal: so beautiful
    Eden Haiku: Typos typos...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: how are you doing, Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: Doing well, thank you.
    Bruce Mowbray: and you? any tornadoes where you are?
    Eliza Madrigal: those are farther north thankfully
    Bruce Mowbray: Whew!
    Eliza Madrigal: we've just had days of constant rain
    Bruce Mowbray: oh my.
    Eliza Madrigal: we usually get water spouts, rather than tornadoes
    Eliza Madrigal: neat looking... but wouldn't want to be out on a boat that day :)
    Eliza Madrigal: have the snow storms cleared there?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wester :)) Stevie :))
    Wester Kiranov: hi all
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, bright and warm now.
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves
    Eliza Madrigal: nice
    Eden Haiku: Hello Wester! Steve!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Wester, steve!
    Wol Euler: evening all!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :)) glad you made it
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Wol.
    Wol Euler: back in a sec, just making tea
    Eliza Madrigal: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick :) Is it next week that you'll be traveling?
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Mick.
    Eden Haiku: Hello Wol and Mick:)
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya folks
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aggers :))
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, aggers.
    Mickorod Renard: ags
    Eden Haiku: Agatha :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Greetings
    Eliza Madrigal: Not sure I've ever seen you with short hair, Agatha, looks sleek
    Wol Euler: oh good lord
    Wol Euler: who's that
    Bruce Mowbray: !!
    Eden Haiku: :)
    Wol Euler: quite a departure :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi riddle
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: hi ALL
    Eden Haiku: Hi Riddle :)
    Bruce Mowbray: aggers is exploring her new giant body... and look what she found!
    Wol Euler grins.
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe I got the sattelite by mistake
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Riddle.
    Agatha Macbeth: (sp)
    Mickorod Renard: wa hay
    Eliza Madrigal grins at Bruce

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