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2018.08.07 12:00 - Dream Session: 1776
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No headersAttending today's dream session were Agatha, Alma, Tura, Zen, Riddle, and Eliza.
Greetings
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: trying to alter my dervish clothes
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alma :)
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Alma
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Eliza
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Zen
Zen (Zen Arado): as in whirling?
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: I've always been terrible at editing skirts though!
Zen (Zen Arado): :)
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Tura
Tura Brezoianu: hi all
Tura Brezoianu: Dervish Eliza :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Tura
Eliza Madrigal laughs... if I could edit correctly!
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all :)
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Aggers
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
Zen (Zen Arado): we used to do that when we were kids
Agatha Macbeth: Getting married Liz :p
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :)
Eliza Madrigal: What did you do, Zen?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Aga and Riddle
Riddle Sideways: Hey All
Zen (Zen Arado): spin around and make ourselves dizzy
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Riddle
Eliza Madrigal: well the outfit has gadgetry to make you spin, if you can use it
Eliza Madrigal: :) How are you all?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): all right
Riddle Sideways: have a new stand-up keyboard-monitor thingy
Zen (Zen Arado): Not bad thanks
Riddle Sideways: looking at lunch way down there
Eliza Madrigal: nice, Riddle! Also you are not sitting inside the cushion
Agatha Macbeth: You do it standing up Rid? :p
Zen (Zen Arado): what's that Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: ?cushion? looks ok
Eliza Madrigal: On Monday you were having computer issues and were "typing on eggshells" while nested inside of the cushion :)
Agatha Macbeth: You seem OK to moi
Eliza Madrigal: So seems you are all fixed!
Riddle Sideways: ok, understanding a bit now
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: computer still if-fy
Agatha Macbeth: Sometimes understanding takes a while to come
Eliza Madrigal: :/ oh
Agatha Macbeth: 50-odd years for some of us
Eliza Madrigal: almost there, then I can start understanding
Agatha Macbeth: I'll give you tips :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: and those odd years past 50
Zen (Zen Arado): says nothing
Eliza Madrigal: Did your bike trip go well, Tura?
Tura Brezoianu: I got through the course
Agatha Macbeth pictures Tura on a bike
Zen (Zen Arado): Brits are good at cycling
Eliza Madrigal: so no daunting cliffcicles?
Zen (Zen Arado): we win the Tour de France every year
Zen (Zen Arado): almost
Tura Brezoianu: I was way below the expected standard for the event, but I knew that when I entered.
Agatha Macbeth: Thought the Aussies were good at that
Zen (Zen Arado): the French must get annoyed
Eliza Madrigal: finishing is indeed something to celebrate :)
Agatha Macbeth: Merde!
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh was it a tournament Tu?
Riddle Sideways: we won tour de france 7 times, but it was taken away
Eliza Madrigal nods sadly
Agatha Macbeth: Lance thingy?
Zen (Zen Arado): Ah yes, Lance Armstrong
Tura Brezoianu: Just an organised ride, distances from 10 miles up to 150.
Agatha Macbeth: So his wins don't count now?
Zen (Zen Arado): he was going himself blood transfusions and suchlike
Agatha Macbeth: Seems a bit extreme to go retro like that
Tura Brezoianu: You have to wonder if there's anyone at the top of any sports that doesn't use things they're supposed not to.
Eliza Madrigal nods... similar to the calculation for politicians
Zen (Zen Arado): yes, Froome was taking salbutamol
Zen (Zen Arado): I tried that one time and it definitely gave me more energy
Agatha Macbeth: Can you get it from Superdrug? :p
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't know it used to be on prescription only
Zen (Zen Arado): it's an asthma drug
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Don't have that fortunately
Zen (Zen Arado): but some people claimed it helped with muscular dystrophy
Zen (Zen Arado): didn't help me much
Agatha Macbeth: >.<
Eliza Madrigal: nice when discovery for one thing leads to surprise use in another area
Eliza Madrigal: Shall we find our dreaming mode ^.^
Agatha Macbeth: Gotta love so called experts
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Begin dream mode
Eliza Madrigal: Zen, are you reading something at the moment?
Zen (Zen Arado): I'm not reading dream books
Zen (Zen Arado): I've got to a point where they say, great you've had your first lucid dream..
Zen (Zen Arado): But I haven't
Zen (Zen Arado): :(
Eliza Madrigal: I see :(
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I have concluded that lucid dreaming would be much easier to achieve if I did not have a real life to deal with
Zen (Zen Arado): and the rest of the book's about how to stabilise your lucid dream et cetera
Riddle Sideways: :(
Eliza Madrigal: Your dreams seem nostalgic perhaps, not fully coming to the present moment in them, Zen?
Riddle Sideways: yes, Alma
Eliza Madrigal relates to that, Alma!
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): (but I'm not giving up)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Zen (Zen Arado): my dreams are in lots of different eras
Zen (Zen Arado): but I suppose they are mainly in the past
Zen (Zen Arado): isn't that true for everyone?
Eliza Madrigal: maybe so, am musing on that now... whether the experience of time perception is crucial
Riddle Sideways: no
Eliza Madrigal: can we go lucidly into the past?
Eliza Madrigal: say more, Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: many dreams are of a maybe futures
Riddle Sideways: or not mine, that I know of
Zen (Zen Arado): I wonder if we can have dreams that have come to us from past generations
Riddle Sideways: and some just are completely different
Zen (Zen Arado): I had a dream a bit like that
Zen (Zen Arado): Dream seemed set way back in the past in green countryside. I was trying to get people on my side to stop a kind of uprising by a group of people. A bit like Game of Thrones, maybe (which I have never watched.)
Zen (Zen Arado): done
Eliza Madrigal: hmm, possibly a fruitful line of questioning in all this
Eliza Madrigal reads
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I sometimes have dreams that are like spy novels, full of intrigue and danger
Riddle Sideways: Does it matter what period your dream is from?
Zen (Zen Arado): it certainly wasn't inspired by anything I watched because I don't really like that kind of thing
Zen (Zen Arado): I am reading Sean Duffy crime novels but they are set in my home town
Eliza Madrigal: interesting, Zen, so like a dream you picked up from the stones or land :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): perhaps dreams of being in foreign countries or distant time periods are a reflection of how foreign our unconscious minds are to our ordinary consciousness
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe it came up through my genes :-)
Eliza Madrigal: I think what I'm curious about is whether, if one knows "now" in a dream is that a closer door to lucidity... as maybe for some (me) in RL
Eliza Madrigal: Nice question, Alma!
Zen (Zen Arado): I remember having dreams years ago that were like the plot of a novel
Zen (Zen Arado): I never thought to write them down
Eliza Madrigal: Does anyone else have a dream from this week?
Memory
Zen (Zen Arado): dreams can't exist without memory though Can they?
Zen (Zen Arado): Dreams aren't really in touch with the present moment?
Riddle Sideways: think so
Eliza Madrigal: not sure, Zen. They say so but maybe that depends on type of dream :)
Riddle Sideways: well, not exact memories
Riddle Sideways: seem to be twistings of many memories overlain
Zen (Zen Arado): You have to be conscious to live in the present moment?
Agatha Macbeth: Carpe diem
Riddle Sideways: is that a question or statement?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Tura Brezoianu: You have to be conscious to live.
Zen (Zen Arado): A question
Agatha Macbeth: Could be both
Eliza Madrigal: lately I'm dreaming of domed structures that lead into other domed structures, that have parts, like bathrooms, under construction
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Eliza Madrigal: and looking for the right clothes
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like Quatermass
Zen (Zen Arado): it sounds like a colony on the moon
Tura Brezoianu: Or Second Life
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth: That too
Zen (Zen Arado): the members 2001: a space Odyssey
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I had a dream that kind of reflects some of what we were just talking about
Eliza Madrigal: also just going through pages of mundane reading from the day
Eliza Madrigal listens
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Agatha Macbeth: Synchronicity
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): There is a scene like from a movie, in which some bank detectives are looking for a man who committed a crime. Another detective for a different bank is suddenly exposed as being the criminal and a coward. Then it becomes like a scene from the Revolutionary War. The guilty man is denounced by officers in the army that he was in.
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): [end]
Riddle Sideways: wow
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): it ended with a scene of people dressed in period attire from the revolutionary war era
Riddle Sideways: intrigue
Zen (Zen Arado): the American Civil War?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): No, the revolution, 1776
Agatha Macbeth: 1776 and all that
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Eliza Madrigal: Neat, what did you feel about it when you woke?
Agatha Macbeth: No taxation without representation
Zen (Zen Arado): Nobody talks much about that do they?
Zen (Zen Arado): Was that about the tea party?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): There was a lot more to it than I could remember. the first part was actually a pretty involved story about the criminal posing as a detective
Zen (Zen Arado): Getting rid of the Brits
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds fascinating Alma
Eliza Madrigal: it does... and faces Zen's dream in an interesting way
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): The Boston Tea Party ... we threw imported tea into the harbor to protest the tea tax
Agatha Macbeth: Was this based on anything you've read or seen?
Zen (Zen Arado): if you could remember the details of a plot you could make a novel
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes, it seemed that way, Zen
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I can't think of any specific associations, Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Wow, so from your own head then
Eliza Madrigal: Maybe our 'interesting times' call for imagining what was at the heart of revolutions
Zen (Zen Arado): you never see many films about that either do you?
Eliza Madrigal: Well, Hamilton is big now :)
[if you listen to one song from the musical, let it be this one: You'll Be Back , which is just one part of 3 ] :)
Agatha Macbeth: It's a suburb of Glasgow
Eliza Madrigal: there's is a question of honor/loyalty in Alma's dream too, which is notable
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the dream theme seemed to be of a bad guy posing as a good guy and almost getting away with it
Zen (Zen Arado): niaga sdrawkcab gninnur si nogarD
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): but being revealed in the end
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): lol Zen!
Eliza Madrigal: sense of justice
Zen (Zen Arado): goler ot evah
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Agatha Macbeth: Be well Zenny
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hurry back
Eliza Madrigal: Oh dear
Agatha Macbeth: Think his carers must have arrived
Eliza Madrigal: hope so, some typing issue...?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: WB
Eliza Madrigal: Welcome back, Zen!
Riddle Sideways: is that what that says?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): coincidentally, I also had a dream about a dog (not a dragon) running backwards
Zen (Zen Arado): thanks
Agatha Macbeth: Fascinating
Agatha Macbeth wonders if George ever runs backwards
Riddle Sideways: oooo can't wait for anlysis of that
Eliza Madrigal: Actually I dreamed George got into a glass elevator and the doors closed. I was able to stay present of mind long enough to push the button to get him out - but I always have dreams like that
Eliza Madrigal: What was the context here, Alma?
Zen (Zen Arado): hard one
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I go walking up the street. There are some people with a dog. They are pushing a baby carriage down the street. The dog is running backwards, facing the baby carriage. I find that unusual and amusing. As I walk past them, the dog starts to follow me. It seems very friendly and energetic, maybe a little skittish. I decide it is time to head back, so I turn around with the dog still following me. When it sees its owners up ahead, it runs to join them.
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): [end]
Eliza Madrigal: I love that :))
Agatha Macbeth: Woof
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): :)
Eliza Madrigal: Dogs sometimes represent friends, or at least I read that after a sort of premonistic dog dream
Zen (Zen Arado): guarding the baby then you
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I've also read that animals represent the more instinctive parts of our psyches
Eliza Madrigal: which makes a lot of sense
Eliza Madrigal: various degrees of wild or tame psyches roaming in foreign lands...
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Zen (Zen Arado): dogs are more in touch with realty then us , Tolle says
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): this one seemed playful and curious
Eliza Madrigal: dog nature ^.^
Agatha Macbeth wags her tail
Zen (Zen Arado): they have Buddha nature yes :)
Riddle Sideways: bet cats represent all the is evil
Zen (Zen Arado): or, Mu :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Tura Brezoianu is more of a cat person
Agatha Macbeth: :3
Eliza Madrigal grins at Riddle
Riddle Sideways: am more of a cat's person
Agatha Macbeth: Me too actually
Zen (Zen Arado): I like both
Eliza Madrigal: cats freely roam the hidden corridors, I think :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): cats require to be worshipped
Agatha Macbeth: And scratch invisible posts
Zen (Zen Arado): different qualities but both adorable
Zen (Zen Arado): cats aren;t so sycpphantic
Eliza Madrigal: mhm :) am a both person
Zen (Zen Arado): never see my dog in dreams now that I look for him as a dream sign
Eliza Madrigal: aw
Eliza Madrigal: "come back"
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: How odd
Tura Brezoianu: The dream state is hiding itself from you?
Riddle Sideways: prolly
Riddle Sideways: now that it is a dream sign
Refreshing practices
Eliza Madrigal: Are any of us keeping with the before bed practices, like meditating or asking questions?
Zen (Zen Arado): I still prime myself
Zen (Zen Arado): 'I remember my dreams' before sleep
Agatha Macbeth ponders 'before bed prtactices'
Riddle Sideways: tend to always ask self what was just read on these pages, then turn off light
Tura Brezoianu: I try to maintain my awareness of myself when I go to bed, sometimes meditating on that beforehand.
Tura Brezoianu: I also tried setting Insight Timer to click a block of wood every 15 minutes before putting the light out, as a way of seeing how long it is before I fall asleep.
Tura Brezoianu: I usually never hear the second click.
Eliza Madrigal: Did that surprise you?
Tura Brezoianu: I thought I'd be lying awake longer, knowing it's goin to suddenly click at me.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen (Zen Arado): I was surprised I can nap so easily afternoons
Zen (Zen Arado): wonders if setting an alarm to wake up during REM would be good
Zen (Zen Arado): have to go
Eliza Madrigal: bye Zen! tc
Zen (Zen Arado): careworkers
Eliza Madrigal: try that :))
Riddle Sideways: by Zen
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): bye Zen
Tura Brezoianu: There are apps that calim to be able to do that
Tura Brezoianu: bye Zen
Agatha Macbeth: BFN Zenny
GONG app, Viral loops
Riddle Sideways: got email that they took PaB Gong off the Play Store. some new aggreement not signed yet
Eliza Madrigal: I wonder if, meditating specifically with 'illusoriness of self' or similar in mind, dreaming might become more easily lucid
Eliza Madrigal: Oh? What is that, Riddle?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): "Regard all dharmas as dreams"
Riddle Sideways: Google put out a cert of whether apps are appropofor under 13year olds
Eliza Madrigal: hm, dangerous gong
Riddle Sideways: and I never got that email
Riddle Sideways: it is the 9-sec gong written years annd years ago
Riddle Sideways: ha, 10 years
Tura Brezoianu: Is that an Android app?
Riddle Sideways: yes
Eliza Madrigal: :) bells that can still ring implies there are some that don't, hehe
Tura Brezoianu: Is thre an iOS version?
Agatha Macbeth: Someone said app and din't applaud
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: no IOS version, that would take writting in C
Riddle Sideways: which is bad for my health
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: precisely, Alma, re dharmas and dreams, and dreams and dharmas ^.^
Tura Brezoianu: I once wrote an iOS app, I'd be willing to try and port it
Agatha Macbeth: I could do ZX basic a long time ago
Agatha Macbeth: POKE PEEK GOTO
Eliza Madrigal: I didn't know about this before, that there was a freestanding PaB gong app
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): you always hear about programming in C ... whatever happened to A and B?
Agatha Macbeth: And Fortran
Riddle Sideways: always has been
Tura Brezoianu: I believe there was a B
Riddle Sideways: A never lived. There was a B
Agatha Macbeth: And Cobol
Riddle Sideways: and a C++ and F#
Riddle Sideways: no B-sharp
Agatha Macbeth: Jeez memories
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): F# major or minor?
Riddle Sideways: both
Tura Brezoianu: iOS apps use Swift these days
Riddle Sideways: it is from M$ so plays the tune
Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
Riddle Sideways: nerd dreams
Agatha Macbeth: Best kind
Riddle Sideways: nightmares of having to write assembly language to jump out of a pit
Riddle Sideways: loop
Eliza Madrigal: doesn't sound too fun :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh wonderful
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): during a time of my life when I was doing a lot of programming, I dreamed I was stuck in a loop and couldn't get out
Tura Brezoianu: 10 GOTO 10
Agatha Macbeth: Nasty
Eliza Madrigal: did you ever manage?
Riddle Sideways: yes, common routine
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): exactly
Agatha Macbeth: Hit break!
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): well, I finally woke up. I was sick at the time, with a fever
Riddle Sideways: a virus?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): haha
Agatha Macbeth: Bet that did it a lot of good
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I need to go, but want to mention and/or remind that we're talking about the Gurgjieff film on Thursday
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): oh, I watched it. I'll try to be there
Eliza Madrigal: Meetings with Remarkable Men, and anything that comes up around this theme
Riddle Sideways: oh! thought had missed it last week
Eliza Madrigal: great
Eliza Madrigal: gave two weeks so give most opportunity, Riddle :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'll have to sign back on to fix my outfit before then, lol
Riddle Sideways: thanks
Agatha Macbeth: Kewl
Riddle Sideways: outfit fixing?
Agatha Macbeth: I'll look forward to the invisible dervish :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for being here :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): sweet dreams all
Agatha Macbeth: Got your log Liz?
Eliza Madrigal: getting that :) ty
Riddle Sideways: thanks for Being
Agatha Macbeth: Better safe than sorry
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): have to run along. bye!
Tura Brezoianu: goodnight all
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Al
Agatha Macbeth: Run well
Eliza Madrigal waves :)
Agatha Macbeth: All good?
Eliza Madrigal: I think so... was having trouble copying for a minute but all okay now
Eliza Madrigal: and found the dervish ball :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for checkign
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Eliza Madrigal: ng
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