2010.03.30 07:00 - Continuing Story

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

Liza Deischer: Hey riddle
Riddle Sideways: good morning, Liza
Liza Deischer: good afternoon :-)
Riddle Sideways: ah that time is a relative thing
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: depends on your point of view
Liza Deischer: hmm, depends, normally I need to go to sleep now
Riddle Sideways: the afternoon nap?
Liza Deischer: yes, need it to get through the evening
Liza Deischer: time being relative because I'm here
Liza Deischer: time changing
Liza Deischer: but my bodyrithm is less relative
Riddle Sideways: wonder why that is so
Liza Deischer: patterns
Liza Deischer: day and night
Liza Deischer: the seazons
Liza Deischer: my bodyrithm
Riddle Sideways: yet we mess with all that with electric lights, airplane travel
Liza Deischer: true
Liza Deischer: still we do like patterns
Riddle Sideways: yes, I would like a pattern
Liza Deischer: maybe not always in a conscious way
Riddle Sideways: night before last I had had enough and went to bed about 9:30
Riddle Sideways: last night stayed up really late
Liza Deischer: :-)
Liza Deischer: I can't sleep at 9.30
Riddle Sideways: I could that night
Riddle Sideways: last night I had to drink 4 glasses of wine
Riddle Sideways: so I was wired and stayed up cleaning up
Liza Deischer: to be able to stay awake, or to be able to sleep
Riddle Sideways: last night I celebrate Pesach / Passover
Liza Deischer: ah
Riddle Sideways: only 11 people in the house this year
Riddle Sideways: nice to have it smaller
Liza Deischer: only 11
Liza Deischer: to me that is an invasion
Riddle Sideways: we have had 28 some years
Liza Deischer: wow
Riddle Sideways: that is an invasion
Liza Deischer: :-)
Riddle Sideways: have to move furniture
Liza Deischer: yes, well I would have to
Riddle Sideways: we tell an ancient story in first person
Riddle Sideways: that is so amazing
Riddle Sideways: all around the world there are people telling the same story
Riddle Sideways: and they have for 2500+ years
Riddle Sideways: and it is told in first person
Riddle Sideways: I was there
Liza Deischer: :-)
Riddle Sideways: that is more then my reincarnation
Liza Deischer: counting in past lives?
Riddle Sideways: that is me connecting with an endless stream of conscienceness
Riddle Sideways: not really full past lives
Riddle Sideways: a continual slice of time.
Liza Deischer: you know about you're past lives?
Riddle Sideways: the same event repeated yearly and experienced the same, only different cloths and dining rooms
Liza Deischer: hmm
Riddle Sideways: well, I am very confused over past lives subject
--BELL--
Liza Deischer: I guess that's why I asked
Riddle Sideways: [note: just saw the animated effect of the 15 minute timer, but did not hear the bell nor fountain frothing, nor bell and be quiet log message]
Riddle Sideways: I think I know of past lives
Riddle Sideways: real memories of times and places
Riddle Sideways: everything like other people discribe
Riddle Sideways: except I am not a famous person.
Liza Deischer: :-)
Liza Deischer: so what is your confusion?
Riddle Sideways: Why are there so many cleopatras in everybodies past lives
Liza Deischer: maybe there were
Liza Deischer: but I don't think so
Riddle Sideways: well... in the same way/felling/moo/mode I can see future lives and "other" lives
Liza Deischer: other meaning?
Riddle Sideways: past/future lives are defined with time
Riddle Sideways: and being humanoid
Riddle Sideways: there are real and known lives that do not
Riddle Sideways: very hard to explain
Liza Deischer: mybe it takes a human to see/feel human lives
Liza Deischer: and it takes another 'being' to feel 'other' lives
Riddle Sideways: not sure... seems a limiting factor to always only be of humanoid size/build
Riddle Sideways: teh mind can easily take on another being configuration
Liza Deischer: I think so
Riddle Sideways: but, more then the mental states
Riddle Sideways: years and years ago I was doing a certain practice
Riddle Sideways: and the guide/teacher did not explain the exercise well enough
Riddle Sideways: did not follow all the way to their point
Liza Deischer: happens a lot I'm afraid
Riddle Sideways: well I was suppose to rotate 180 degrees and I only went 120
Riddle Sideways: I found a "different" place
Riddle Sideways: since then have found many different phase shifts
Riddle Sideways: so many people use different words to try and explain
Riddle Sideways: one way is to talk of parallel universes / virtual worlds
Riddle Sideways: well, what about non-parallel
--BELL--
Liza Deischer: :-)
Riddle Sideways: so past lives fit into nice neat boxes
Riddle Sideways: fractual dimensions do not fit nicely
Liza Deischer: not nicely to human nature
Riddle Sideways: ah, that might be our answer
Riddle Sideways: why do so many past lives have to be human
Liza Deischer: I aks myself the same question
Riddle Sideways: and what do you answer yourself?
Liza Deischer: only asking the question :-)
Liza Deischer: but I think consiousness is flexible
Liza Deischer: can also be limited as expanned
Liza Deischer: but limitation seems to be an ego thing
Liza Deischer: and ego's come in many different ways
Liza Deischer: though I need to say that I don't belief our 'mind' is buddha in itself (so to speak)
Liza Deischer: it has the nature
Riddle Sideways: welcome, Yaku
Liza Deischer: but needs to be developed
Bleu Oleander: hi!
Liza Deischer: hi Yaku
Liza Deischer: hi Bleu
Riddle Sideways: Hi Bleu
Liza Deischer: but I don't have experiences that can back it up
Liza Deischer: that's why I was curious
Riddle Sideways: sorry Yak and bleu, had to recap what has been streaming along
Riddle Sideways: but, we should not need experiences to back up the new and unknown
Bleu Oleander: pls don't let me interrupt ...
Liza Deischer: true
Liza Deischer: but I think it can opens your mind to a certain extend
Riddle Sideways: however, I do not build great works of art (like bleu has) because I have not the experience
Riddle Sideways: have not developed the artist skill
Bleu Oleander: i'm a student of art
Riddle Sideways: and the village square and your plot show that
Bleu Oleander: would not call any art i have created great
Bleu Oleander: byt ty anyway
Liza Deischer: no but you have the desire
Bleu Oleander: yes
Liza Deischer: where does that come from
Bleu Oleander: desire to speak through art
Liza Deischer: we're talking here about 'other' lives
Bleu Oleander: as a form of expression where words are more diff for me
Liza Deischer: like you are born with it
Riddle Sideways: other lives where art is the language
Bleu Oleander: could you say more Liza?
Liza Deischer: goig on a path you already decided on way back in earlier lives
Liza Deischer: for riddle I would say 'earlier' lives (with quotes) :-)
Riddle Sideways: ok :)
Liza Deischer: why do I feel the flow of music
Liza Deischer: understanding it in a way that is not always reflected in other people
Liza Deischer: like I have experienced that flow before
Riddle Sideways: a resonence that is not as strong in others
Liza Deischer: yes (still being a student also :-))
--BELL--
Liza Deischer: why could Mozart compose pieces when he was 5 years old
Riddle Sideways: being allowed/given a pencil, brush, instrument to express oneself
Riddle Sideways: as a 5 year old coudl express
Liza Deischer: and taking use of it
Riddle Sideways: a freedom to express whatever
Liza Deischer: and maybe it all starts with a mindsetting
Liza Deischer: wanting to learn
Liza Deischer: to experiment
Riddle Sideways: an opening
Liza Deischer: (seeing everybody looking up to the kira announcement)
Liza Deischer: :-)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Liza Deischer: what do you think Bleu?
Bleu Oleander: about art?
Bleu Oleander: curiosity
Bleu Oleander: drives me
Liza Deischer: about having this passion
Bleu Oleander: to experiment with art, music
Bleu Oleander: passion drives my curiosity
Bleu Oleander: which in turn increases my passion
Liza Deischer: or the other way around ?
Liza Deischer: ah
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: circular
Bleu Oleander: hard to know which came first
Riddle Sideways: who cares
Bleu Oleander: curiosity i suspect
Bleu Oleander: exactly
Liza Deischer: the egg and the chicken
Bleu Oleander: :)
Liza Deischer: but there is something weird about it too
Liza Deischer: mozart being a genious, but prette wako also
Liza Deischer: like he was only in touch with a part of mind-developing
Bleu Oleander: fine line between creativity and insanity?
Liza Deischer: yes, loosing other things out of side
Bleu Oleander: chemical imbalance
Riddle Sideways: so, there is this 5 year old. like any 5 year old he jums and drums and sings a little ditty
Riddle Sideways: why would somebody (a grown up?) write that down
Riddle Sideways: and keep it, when others 5 year old works were not kept
Bleu Oleander: my mom kept all my early paintings
Riddle Sideways: I have ALLL of my kid's works
Liza Deischer: but why yours and not mine
Liza Deischer: like she already knew something
Liza Deischer: but it is an interesting question riddle
Liza Deischer: because what is it that we as grown ups see, or maybe want to see?
Riddle Sideways: a glimse
Liza Deischer: why do we think mozart developing is so important
Liza Deischer: that we still listen to his music today
Bleu Oleander: we might see something in our childrens art expression that we wish for ourselves
Bleu Oleander: freedom to express with art and music
Liza Deischer: could be both curiosity as jealousy
Bleu Oleander: I don't think I would call it jealousy
Bleu Oleander: perhaps too strong a word
Liza Deischer: I agree Bleu, but didn't have antoher one
Bleu Oleander: desire to be free
Bleu Oleander: open to new expressions
Riddle Sideways: for some reason we will think of most of our lives and our time as mundane
Riddle Sideways: but we get a glimpse of other
Riddle Sideways: a sliver of a moment of the light
Liza Deischer: catching a glimpse of something different (as you said riddle), something attractive
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: child-like innocence
Riddle Sideways: it has so many names
Riddle Sideways: the ever continuing story
Liza Deischer: [note: hearing both bells]
Riddle Sideways: [note: hmmmmmm, did not hear]
Liza Deischer: [that's why I made the note] :-)
Liza Deischer: I mean, don't understand why you're not hearing it
Riddle Sideways: need ear wax remover for this computer
Liza Deischer: :-)
Liza Deischer: well my sounds (viewer 2.0) seems to be mixed up also, sometimes
Riddle Sideways: well, folks need to be gone to next ...
Liza Deischer: thansk for the great discussion, but I need to go
Riddle Sideways: thanks all
Bleu Oleander: c u all later!
Bleu Oleander: bye Yaku, Liza