2014.05.31 01:00 - The Facebook Rant

Wol Euler was guardian for this session.

Agatha Macbeth: Good moaning Wollie ♥
Wol Euler: ah, there you are ♥
Wol Euler: good morning
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: Just emailing Liz about the questionairre
Agatha Macbeth: +n -r
Agatha Macbeth: 7sm

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: I see Darwin is back
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: though I don't like that new outfit much
Wol Euler: and it's all mesh :/
Agatha Macbeth: No nor I
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Agatha Macbeth: That seems to be the way things are going
Agatha Macbeth: One size fits all :p
Wol Euler: "one body shape is good enough for everyone"
Wol Euler: is more the point
Agatha Macbeth: Apparently the new mesh avs are causing problems with some peoples' viewers too
Wol Euler: "why do you need to have these sliders for changing your appearance? be a barbie doll and have done with it."
Agatha Macbeth: Iris Ophelia thinks they are generally rubbish
Wol Euler: dunno who that is, but I think she's right.
Wol Euler: I've seen a few and wasn't impressed
Agatha Macbeth: She writes fashion blogs on NWN
Agatha Macbeth: Hang on I'll try to find the url
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Here we go: http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2014/05/sec...h-avatars.html
Wol Euler: ty, reading
Agatha Macbeth: Think what she says about 'missed opportunity' is right
Agatha Macbeth: Noobs really don't want to be confronted with the complexities of mesh before they've even been in world five minutes
Wol Euler nods
Wol Euler: well, the Lab has never really understood what people like about SL
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Xira :)
Wol Euler: good morning xira
Xirana Oximoxi: good morning Wol and Agatha:)
Agatha Macbeth: Good to see you again
Xirana Oximoxi: thank you :) Nice to see you both too:)
Agatha Macbeth: Still painting?
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...more drawing and drawing now...:)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Xirana Oximoxi: I did not get the 33 days writing...not good to be strict about it
Agatha Macbeth: Me either :(
Agatha Macbeth: Just too much to do

--BELL--

Xirana Oximoxi: yes.... and probably it was not the best goal for me
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like QT must have gone to the gym this morning
Xirana Oximoxi: welcome back
Wol Euler: no, it's closed for the four-day weekend
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Wol Euler: I fear he has given that up, but hasn't admitted it yet
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe he stayed in bed then :p
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...it's nice to lazy saturdays morning :)
Agatha Macbeth: And Sunday too
Xirana Oximoxi: yes
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Have you seen the new avatars Xira?
Xirana Oximoxi: no, which ones?
Wol Euler: they're in the Library (part of inventory)
Agatha Macbeth: LL have made new mesh avs
Agatha Macbeth: (Think Wol is going to model)
Xirana Oximoxi: oh! are they nicer?
Xirana Oximoxi: ok...watching :))
Agatha Macbeth: Try the zombie one :p
Xirana Oximoxi: do I have to download them or I have it in my inventory ?
Xirana Oximoxi: haha
Agatha Macbeth: They should already be there
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Wol Euler: already in your inventory (in the Library, in Clothing/Initial Outfits)
Agatha Macbeth: I see a flying bra :-)
Wol Euler: all I see too! wait for it :)
Xirana Oximoxi: ok:) I see only two lines :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm, the defence rests I think :p
Agatha Macbeth: Imagine a noob trying to do all this
Wol Euler: consider that these are built by the Lab. These are the way brand-new avatars are supposed to experience themselves in SL
Wol Euler: and all I see (brand new me) is a flying bra.
Xirana Oximoxi: I have Alejandro, Alicia, Archer....wow there are a lot!!
Wol Euler: what reason do I have not to say "well, fuck this shit"?
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Wol Euler: the ones that end in "... (Mesh)" are the really new ones
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Wol Euler: obviuosly
Xirana Oximoxi: ok
Agatha Macbeth: Oh wow
Wol Euler: but *all* the starting avatars are there, even the oldest
Agatha Macbeth: LL strike again
Xirana Oximoxi: they should put an image ...
Agatha Macbeth: Is Ruth still around?
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: she's one of them
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Wol Euler: I don't know why I can't wear this
Wol Euler: perhaps I need to copy them out first
Xirana Oximoxi: whixh one are you trying?
Agatha Macbeth: I believe they sometimes have Ruth parties where everyone comes as her
Wol Euler: vampire mariah
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, there you are then...it's daylight :p
Agatha Macbeth: She probably disintegrated
Xirana Oximoxi: I can not 'wear' it...
Wol Euler: ah, that's better
Agatha Macbeth: Aha!
Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh now
Wol Euler: you need to copy them into your inventory first
Agatha Macbeth: Doubtless alpha problems too
Wol Euler: yup
Wol Euler: you can't wear alphas with a mesh avatar!
Agatha Macbeth: Good lord that is repulsive
Wol Euler: because they are *under* the mesh
Wol Euler: isn't it?
Xirana Oximoxi: no idea :)
Wol Euler: what on earth were the Lab thinking.
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like Mr Spock's evil sister
Wol Euler: I'll try another ...
Xirana Oximoxi: I see oly your head and arms

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: The invisible woman
Xirana Oximoxi: half naked :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh...better :p
Xirana Oximoxi: wow...coming from 'ultratomb' ..under grave a
Agatha Macbeth: A grave mistake by the looks of it
Xirana Oximoxi: do you feel well this morning Wol? ...you look....a bit sick :))
Wol Euler: heheheh
Wol Euler: this one is at least funny
Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)
Agatha Macbeth: 'Brainnnnnnnnnnns!'
Agatha Macbeth is in hysterics in RL
Agatha Macbeth dies from laughing....
Agatha Macbeth: (And SL too)
Agatha Macbeth: Good grief
Wol Euler: so this is one of the "normal" ones
Wol Euler: this skin is pure 2007
Agatha Macbeth: Who do they model these things on?
Xirana Oximoxi: ok...but I still can not see you complete
Wol Euler: what the HELL were they thinking? Did the people who made this never walk around in SL and look at avatars first?
Agatha Macbeth: Or even 'normal' people?
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe ..yes.... probably not
Wol Euler: I really despair. it's as though the Lab were being run from a facebook account
Wol Euler: and FOR a facebook account
Agatha Macbeth: Or BY a FB account
Wol Euler: not by anyone who ever uses this world
Agatha Macbeth: Come back Phil all is forgiven
Wol Euler: I think it's a loss of faith in SL itself on their part
Wol Euler: "it isn't as popular as Facebook so it is a total worthless failure"
Wol Euler: "what can we do to make facebook users come in-world?"
Agatha Macbeth: FB is largely garbage
Xirana Oximoxi: but SL is surviving...I've heard it was going to close since I came ...more or less
Wol Euler: agreed, but it's profitable garbage
Agatha Macbeth: Like MacDonalds
Wol Euler: and it's entirely different!
Wol Euler: comparing SL to FB is like saying that a Rolls-Royce limousine is shit because you can only carry a half-ton of liquid concrete in it
Wol Euler: it's not supposed to be a fucking concrete mixer truck, you moron
Agatha Macbeth: Ha
Xirana Oximoxi: it is a complicated pregram to use at first and needs good graphic card
Wol Euler: and patience to learn
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, that is the rub
Wol Euler: which is anathema to people who want it to be facebook
Agatha Macbeth: And then they cleverly got rid of the mentors
Wol Euler: this is why the Lab is trying to make SL in a browser window, because facebook is in a browser window.
Wol Euler: so the browser is what made facebook popular! aha!!
Xirana Oximoxi: to make it work easier?
Wol Euler: honestly, I despair
Agatha Macbeth: Is crazy no
Wol Euler: I think the Lab is entirely staffed by 16-year-old apprentices
Wol Euler: end of rant (for now)
Agatha Macbeth: Here's a great reason for you to start blogging again
Wol Euler: I suppose I should stop ranting and take some photos for the log ...
Agatha Macbeth: New model army
Xirana Oximoxi: the feeling here is absolutly different from Facebook... and much much better to chat and meet people....Facebook is good to share aother kind of things..like articles, images....
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Wol Euler: but it's not a PLACE
Xirana Oximoxi: yes! you can also share here..even go to conferences, exhibits...so...I prefer SL one thousand times :)
Agatha Macbeth: Which reminds me, are you doing any exhibitions in the future?
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...but not a lot of new work now... I'll do one on Sunday, and then September and October....:)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Agatha Macbeth: I still have your picture of me...must put it up again
Xirana Oximoxi: I am drawing a lot for illustration books...and they ask it all to be inedited' ... to go to prizes
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Xirana Oximoxi: ahh yes:)
Wol Euler: oh, good luck!

--BELL--

Xirana Oximoxi: thanks....:)
Agatha Macbeth: Well I certainly animated Wol this morning
Wol Euler: ha
Xirana Oximoxi: unpublished I meant...it's a 'false friend' word for Spanish ..editar = publish
Wol Euler: ah :) I wondered...
Agatha Macbeth: There's a shop in SL called Inedit
Agatha Macbeth: Quite good as I remember
Xirana Oximoxi: something 'innédito' also mean not seen before
Xirana Oximoxi: inédito
Agatha Macbeth: So these avs all have Ruth as a base?
Xirana Oximoxi: wiol is still trying avatars:) ... I hope you recover yours :)
Wol Euler: not really, but Ruth is what's left if you take off everything.
Agatha Macbeth: My
Xirana Oximoxi: wow
Wol Euler: "werewolf beast"
Agatha Macbeth: Riiiight
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe...scaring
Agatha Macbeth: Blocky
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like someone did these things in their lunch hour
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe yes:))
Agatha Macbeth: 'I have ten minutes to kill...I'll design a few avatars'
Xirana Oximoxi: I go now...I wish you a nice weekend! :)
Wol Euler: bye xira, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Hasta porno Xira :)
Agatha Macbeth: Draw well
Xirana Oximoxi: take care too :) hasta prono:))
Xirana Oximoxi: porno
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Wol Euler: that one at least included an AO ...
Agatha Macbeth: Werewolfs need them :p
Wol Euler: every avatar needs them :p
Agatha Macbeth: I didn't have on for about the first three months
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't know what they were
Wol Euler: nor I
Wol Euler: but then for the first three months I didn't have prim hair or clothing either
Agatha Macbeth: Which was your start av?
Wol Euler: cybergoth :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Figures
Wol Euler: what? what?
Agatha Macbeth: I was the teen with the t-shirt and beanie
Wol Euler: gamer?
Agatha Macbeth: Don't remember what she was called
Agatha Macbeth: Tarmel had the same one
Wol Euler: oh, that, right
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder how she is now?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh man
Agatha Macbeth: Beach party anyone?
Wol Euler: really
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like he's planning to mug someone for their ice cream
Wol Euler: you know, he's actually better than the females .....
Wol Euler: look at the skin, it's got details
Agatha Macbeth: >.<
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe someone finally wanted to create a realistic looking bloke
Wol Euler: heheh
Wol Euler: all right, enough of this malarkey
Wol Euler: (a fine word that, I wonder why it went out of fashion)
Agatha Macbeth: Ask google

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Agatha Macbeth: WB
Wol Euler: thanks :) so much better
Wol Euler: so much more ME
Agatha Macbeth: Totally you :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wouldn't want you any other way
Wol Euler: the worst thing about those avs, as Iris said, is that they're basically unchangeable
Wol Euler: not customizable
Agatha Macbeth nods
Wol Euler: it's not "your vision" any more
Wol Euler: anyway
Wol Euler: grumble grumble
Agatha Macbeth: I certainly don't see it will help keep people in SL
Wol Euler: nobody goes into a video game expecting to understand every aspect of it after 0.3 seconds
Agatha Macbeth: /hug Wol
Wol Euler: which is why every video game starts off with a few guided "missions" which introduce you step by step to the features of the game
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Wol Euler: nobody complains about that
Wol Euler: in fact they expect it, and are grateful for it
Wol Euler: I really don't know why the Lab thinks that doesn't apply here
Agatha Macbeth: Right, makes sense
Wol Euler: remember Orientation Island?
Wol Euler: that was exactly that process
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Agatha Macbeth: The big F1 in the middle
Wol Euler: it taught you how to talk, how to IM, how to run and sit and fly -- and how to modify your avatar
Agatha Macbeth: Is that still there?
Wol Euler: all gone now, even modifying the avatar
Wol Euler: nope
Agatha Macbeth sighs
Wol Euler: it was followed by Help Island, which had some of the same objects but none of the guidance
Wol Euler: and *that* was followed by the current single room which shows you three landmarks to TP into the world
Agatha Macbeth: I know some of the welcome centers still have information
Wol Euler: sure, but how does a one-minute-old newbie get to them?
Wol Euler: how do they learn to use them?
Agatha Macbeth: Think Hanja still does
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Wol Euler: how do they survive the dozens of oldbies that hang around there griefing?
Agatha Macbeth: Getting rid of the mentors was a bad move
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: denying that SL is complicated was the original bad move, which launched all the rest
Wol Euler: "it isn't a formal game, that means that it is not complicated!" "oh, well done, you solved that one."
Agatha Macbeth: It IS complicated
Agatha Macbeth: For a total beginner
Wol Euler: yep
Agatha Macbeth: That's how you can always tell a genuine noob from an alt
Wol Euler: seven years after I joined, it is STILL the case that 95% of people who sign up leave SL for ever after trying it for less than one hour
Wol Euler: and the stupid Lab thinks that is because it doesn't have a FB Like button
Agatha Macbeth: And go to IMVU probably
Wol Euler: ha
Agatha Macbeth: Requires less effort
Wol Euler: I'll have to call this session "The Facebook Rant"
Wol Euler: "with mesh avatars"
Agatha Macbeth: Wol looks at the world heh
Agatha Macbeth: Like i said - good reason to start blogging again
Wol Euler: "If only we could put a Facebook Like button on things, newbies would love SL and stay in it. They leave because they can't find the Like button."
Agatha Macbeth: Click here to like SL
Wol Euler: anyway
Agatha Macbeth: Working?
Wol Euler: I should get moving. The shopping isn't goint to do itself
Agatha Macbeth: No it never does
Wol Euler: not today, hopefully not tomorrow either
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Agatha Macbeth: You can make the GM then
Wol Euler: I hope so
Agatha Macbeth: Me too
Wol Euler: bye for now, dear Aggers, enjoy the day
Agatha Macbeth: You can add the voice of authority
Wol Euler: ♥
Agatha Macbeth: ♥
Wol Euler: ha