2014.08.05 18:00 - Sacrifice of Abraham

    The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

     

    Eos Amaterasu: Hii Adams!
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Eos :)
    Adams Dubrovna: How are you doing?
    Eos Amaterasu: Oh, fine, "In the Middle of the Road" (hearing the Pretenders song...)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: How's life with you?

    Adams Dubrovna: OK. I am redoing the Islamic wing in the museum
    Adams Dubrovna: all the good Islamic sites have left SL and something needed to be done
    Adams Dubrovna: the other traditions need work too but that is beyond me right now
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm... I missed your last show opening

    Adams Dubrovna: it was an interesting subject
    Eos Amaterasu listens
    Adams Dubrovna: turned out to be much bigger than expected
    Eos Amaterasu: what was the subject?
    Adams Dubrovna: Sacrifice of Abraham


    --BELL--


    Adams Dubrovna: in the three traditions- Judaism, islam and Christianity
    Eos Amaterasu: wow, 90 seconds in that...
    Adams Dubrovna: people spent centuries trying to make sense of the story
    Adams Dubrovna: filling in the blanks
    Eos Amaterasu: does the current exhibit tell that (those) stories?
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Adams Dubrovna: some of them anyway
    Eos Amaterasu: will have to check it out
    Eos Amaterasu: heavy

    Adams Dubrovna: I learned much about Judiasm
    Adams Dubrovna: since it is part of Rosh Hashanah it becomes more important
    Adams Dubrovna: The Muslims and Christians changed the story
    Adams Dubrovna: to fit their needs
    Eos Amaterasu: stories R us
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: both individually and collectively
    Adams Dubrovna nods
    Eos Amaterasu: I guess art tells those stories too?
    Adams Dubrovna: most of the Biblical art is Christian because of the reticence to paint people in Judiasm and Christianity
    Adams Dubrovna: The Jewish images are found in two rather short medieva; periods
    Adams Dubrovna: in Spain and in Northern Europe
    Adams Dubrovna: in the Haggadahs of medieval Spain for one
    Adams Dubrovna: and in Mazorim, Bibles and Haggadahs in N. Europe
    Eos Amaterasu: historical periods/circumstances that allowed for certains kinds of lensing
    Adams Dubrovna: when the prohibition was not felt as strongly
    Adams Dubrovna: a few Islamic images were made as well
    Adams Dubrovna: In Judaism there is a rich legacy of literature
    Eos Amaterasu: words are okay?
    Adams Dubrovna: in the museum?
    Adams Dubrovna: in an exhibit like this it can not be helped :)
    Eos Amaterasu: ie, no prohibition against words, storytelling
    Eos Amaterasu: or music?
    Adams Dubrovna: oh in Judaism, yes words incouraged
    Adams Dubrovna: I do not know about the music
    Eos Amaterasu: food? :-)
    Adams Dubrovna: yes food is a part of tradditions
    Adams Dubrovna: and sounds - blowing of shofar
    Adams Dubrovna: some think the shofar (ram's horn) is the sound of Sarah's laments when she heard what Abraham had done

    Eos Amaterasu: What do you feel that story means?
    Eos Amaterasu: & what is the core of the story?
    Adams Dubrovna: So many meanings :)
    Adams Dubrovna: So many interpretations
    Adams Dubrovna: It is analyzed from Anraaham's pont of view, Isaac's (Ishmael's), Sarah's God's and the ram's
    Adams Dubrovna: for me I felt that both Abraham and Isaac were learning to let go
    Adams Dubrovna: for Abraham of the son he dearly loved and for Isaac of life


    --BELL--


    Eos Amaterasu: then you walk in the garden of God
    Adams Dubrovna: when I started I thought the story was there as a warning against child sacrifce from an earlier period but other sacrifices in the Bible make me doubt that now
    Adams Dubrovna: it is a heavy entrance to the garden :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Very
    Eos Amaterasu: but our world if full of those entrances
    Adams Dubrovna: one writer took the approach that the writer of the story had been engaged by the editors of the Torah to do something about the stiry of Abraham which was long and boring
    Adams Dubrovna: he submitted the story but then wanted to change it
    Adams Dubrovna: but the editors said no, others would edit it
    Adams Dubrovna: and people have been doing that for centuries
    Eos Amaterasu: oral traditions?
    Adams Dubrovna: much written
    Adams Dubrovna: I am not a biblical scholar so I do not know much about these things but there is disagreement about the source of this particualr story
    Adams Dubrovna: it is written in the style of the E source but uses Yaweh of the J source
    Adams Dubrovna: btw, the writer of the J material may have been a woman
    Eos Amaterasu: was going to say, maybe this was a couple from the two traditions :-)
    Adams Dubrovna: maybe

    Eos Amaterasu: How would you say the story?
    Adams Dubrovna: ?
    Eos Amaterasu: "God said to Abraham, kill me a son, Abe said yes.... " - Highway 61 Revisited
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: the story has inspired many songs and poems
    Adams Dubrovna: I am going to send you an exerpt from the workshop that is very moving
    Adams Dubrovna: did thaat go?
    Eos Amaterasu: ?
    Adams Dubrovna: did you get it?
    Eos Amaterasu: no, missed it?
    Adams Dubrovna: now?
    Eos Amaterasu: Thanks
    Adams Dubrovna: The story goes very deep into the consciousness of some
    Eos Amaterasu: a moral tale... sometimes there are difficult decisions
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, excruciating
    Eos Amaterasu: Here's what I think is the heaviest line in all of literature, from the Mahabharata:
    Eos Amaterasu: "If one prefers one's own children to those of another, then war is not far away."


    --BELL--


    Adams Dubrovna: Most interesting piece of literature to compare to the story
    Adams Dubrovna: I had not considered it
    Eos Amaterasu: Peter Brook's production of it
    Adams Dubrovna: great Krishna in that one
    Adams Dubrovna: I am afraid I must leave early. a couple of things to do in the museum before I go to bed
    Adams Dubrovna: it was nice to spend some time with you. thank you
    Eos Amaterasu: NP... thanks so much for dropping by and the most interesting conversation
    Adams Dubrovna: take good care :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Will also retire!
    Eos Amaterasu: Cheers and good night1
    Adams Dubrovna: good night then :)

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