2016.08.01 07:00 - Shuffle and Remix

The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku.

Morning salutations

Eden, Eliza and Riddle

Eden Haiku: Good morning (((Eliza))))
Eliza Madrigal: ((((Eden!!))) Morning! <3
Eden Haiku: Did you have to put an alarm clock to wake up this morning?
Eliza Madrigal: I can sort of feel the texture on your summer dress, very nice
Eden Haiku: Thanks :) Very summery:)
Eliza Madrigal: I have a reminder set for your session, so it went off with a little ding and this time I woke. :) I went to be rather early last night
Eden Haiku: Me too, early to bed. But then woke up at 3 am and was wide awake until 5 or something so I had to put an alarm this morning.
Eliza Madrigal: oh
Eliza Madrigal: what did you do when waking?
Eden Haiku: Still feeling a bit groggy...
Eliza Madrigal: at 3am....
Eden Haiku: Ah! Had the bad idea of taking a look to my phone. Which I leave in the living room...
Eden Haiku: A look *at my phone:) And then you know, I was all over the place...
Eden Haiku: But I did read chapter 11.
Eliza Madrigal: that I do know... I'm bad about almost sleeping with my laptop
Eden Haiku: :)
Eden Haiku: Found chapter 11 of TSK very depressing ...

--BELL--

Eliza won’t put this in the TSK promo email!

Eliza Madrigal: Did you find it 'ranty' like Tura thinks?
Eden Haiku: No more honeymoon there :(
Eliza Madrigal: hm, this is where I admit I haven't read yet :)) Mondays are my dig-into-it day.... can you give me a preview?
Eliza Madrigal: Morning Riddle!
Eden Haiku: Ah ranty, no. But depressing:  there is no way to know, we already know but we will never know. Yeah, maybe Tura is right: it’s ranting a lot
Riddle Sideways: hi All
Eden Haiku: Good morning bright and poetic Riddle :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: ? :) :P
Eden Haiku: Fael was calling you "so poetic" in one of the logs you linked to. She's right: you are!
Riddle Sideways: ranty? bright?
Eliza Madrigal: she is right, Riddle has music :)
Eden Haiku: Ranty is for chapter 11 of TSK. Tura said so and she might be right.
Eliza Madrigal: maybe we should just stay at chapter 10? giggles
Riddle Sideways: o! Sounded it at first. on reread not so much
Eden Haiku: Forever on honeymoon hehe :)
Eliza Madrigal: well, he did write that LIFE could be a honeymoon and love affair
Riddle Sideways: ok, trying to get up to speed with chat
Eden Haiku: Will have to read it again. I read in the middle of the night. Foggy mind...
Eliza Madrigal: I will read twice to make sure :)
Riddle Sideways: not started ch. 11 yet
Eliza Madrigal: oh
Eliza Madrigal: haha.... well I will read 11 twice anyway
Eliza Madrigal: Is it fatalistic in some way, Eden?
Riddle Sideways: can't wait! with an intro like that
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eden Haiku: It sounded like there is a veil veiling knowledge so you will never get there. But then, just open your eyes and it's already there. You know...
Riddle Sideways: love a good fatalistic book
Eliza Madrigal: I won't put this in the promo email
Eden Haiku: Mountain is not a mountain is a mountain...
Eliza Madrigal: ah, yes...hm

A retreat?

Eliza Madrigal: I was thinking that a nice way to end the sessions might be to have a retreat type meeting and do a few explorations on the spot, so that we end while playing in it
Eden Haiku: Looking forward to the promo email Eliza will ghost-write :)
Eden Haiku: It's much harder with no exercises :(
Eliza Madrigal: agreed
Riddle Sideways: sings "Ghost writers in the Sky"
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: would like to use the retreat space for something too
Eden Haiku: smiles
Eden Haiku: A retreat humm... when would that be? During the Fall?
Eliza Madrigal: thinking just one day... probably fall but on our normal schedule
Riddle Sideways: when does the book end?
Riddle Sideways: oh great scheduler
Eliza Madrigal: just a slightly longer one session

Learn Nothing Day

Riddle Thinking that Bleu can't do a learn nothing day :)
 

Eliza Madrigal: Aside from chapter 11, are you vacationing happily Eden?
Eden Haiku: Yes. I'm mostly doing nothing. Which feels so GOOD!
Eliza Madrigal: SMILE
Eliza Madrigal: A friend is an unschooler, writes about that n stuff, and she made a holiday called Learn Nothing Day
Riddle Sideways: nothing is very good
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Riddle Sideways: hi bleU
Bleu Oleander: good morning all
Eden Haiku: Excellent exercise for chapter 11: LEARN NOTHING DAY!!!
Eliza Madrigal: Mornin Bleu :)
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Riddle Sideways: yes!
Eden Haiku: Good morning Bleu :)
Eliza Madrigal: so we read it but try not to get ranty and depressed?
Eden Haiku: Yep. And try hard not to learn a thing (talking about chapter 11 of TSK Bleu)
Bleu Oleander: ty!
Eliza Madrigal giggles.... I sure hope we find some alternate read outs

Cafe Society, the movie

Eden Haiku: But let's spend a Monday morning learning nothing for now :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: hmmm already learned too many things to say that :)
Riddle Sideways: thinking that Bleu can't do a learn nothing day :)
Eden Haiku: Re-reading Death on the Nile by Agatha Christie. Read it when I was 15 or so. Good counter-balance to TSK:)
Eliza Madrigal: ha ha ha
Eliza Madrigal: Learn Nothing Day highlights how impossible it is to actually learn nothing :)
Eden Haiku: Trying to imagine Bleu on a no-learning day is quite hard indeed :)
Eden Haiku: We are stuck with Great Knowledge hehe
Eliza Madrigal: that's it :))
Bleu Oleander: I begin the day with excitement about learning and following my curiosity

--BELL--

Eden Haiku: Ah! And where is your curosity leading you this morning Bleu?
Riddle Sideways: have an image of stubbing toe on that same chair leg, "Nope, have not learned about that, yet"
Bleu Oleander: saw "cafe society" yesterday ... was interesting movie
Bleu Oleander: doing a little research on the 1930's ...
Eden Haiku: Ah, the 1930's...
Eden Haiku: The stubbing toe experience is a good example of how we never learn Riddle;)
Riddle Sideways: how can reviewers write things like: "The film, watchable as it is, never quite overcomes the sense that it's a lavish diagram working hard to come off as a real movie."
Bleu Oleander: I first thought that Riddle, but researching the time a bit I began to see more in the movie
Riddle Sideways: ah, it is a Woody Allen
Bleu Oleander: not all reviewers are sensitive to all movies
Eden Haiku: Did you see that Bruce is in a learning curve of programming a small robot? I also read logs when I wake up in the middle of the night...
Eliza Madrigal: neat!
Eden Haiku: "a charming and elegant Woody Allen" says the Montreal cinema critic...
Riddle Sideways: which log was that in? not chatted with Bruce for long time
Eliza Madrigal: I see most Woody films... even the ones that aren't praised I've tended to like for various reasons
Bleu Oleander: yes me too
Eden Haiku: One of the most recent, abour 2 days ago I think...[here is the link: 

https://wiki.playasbeing.org/index.php?title=Chat_Logs/2016/07/2016.07.30_13:00_-_Star_Trek%2C_Robot%2C_and_Martian_Meteorites]

Riddle Sideways: ty
Bleu Oleander: if you go to this one might be interesting to read about the original club "cafe society" in nyc and the "stork club" for some background
Eden Haiku: Same same for Woody: even an unlikable Woody is kind of likable...
Eliza Madrigal nods nods
Eliza Madrigal: one of my favorites is Purple Rose of Cairo but not too many have seen that :)
Eden Haiku: Ah, thanks Bleu:)
Bleu Oleander: oh yes, loved that one
Eliza Madrigal: everyone in SL should see it, lol
Eden Haiku: Yes, I have seen it. Liked it too.
Eden Haiku: Should watch it again, with SL experienced-self.
Eliza Madrigal: :))

Patrick Modiano’s novels

Bleu Oleander: have you read any of Patrick Modiano's novels?
Eden Haiku: Great Knowledge keeps racing us :)
Eliza Madrigal has not... listens
Bleu Oleander: many center around the Paris cafes
Eden Haiku: I read one, recently. I liked it.
Bleu Oleander: I really liked "in the cafe of lost youth"
Eden Haiku: Very moody, very Parisian. Lots of memories from the war.
Bleu Oleander: same story told from 4 different perspectives
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: he received the nobel prize in lit a couple of years ago I think
Eden Haiku: His Nobel speech was wonderful.
Bleu Oleander: yes!
Eden Haiku: A link to Patrick Modiano's Nobel speech: https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/2014/modiano-lecture_en.html
Riddle Sideways: thank you
Bleu Oleander: "when we really love someone, we've got to accept their role in the mystery."
Bleu Oleander: from cafe of lost youth
Eliza Madrigal: thank you!

--BELL--

Eden Haiku: "For a novelist, in terms of music, it is often a matter of coaxing all the people, the landscapes, the streets he has been able to observe into a musical score which contains the same melodic fragments from one book to another, but which will seem to him to be imperfect" Modiano
Eliza Madrigal: wow, need to read him
Eden Haiku: Loves the quote about love and mystery :)
Eliza Madrigal suddenly felt lusyy, lol
Eden Haiku: Lusty for cafes and a society of liked-minded people in love Eliza?
Riddle Sideways: was not going to ak
Bleu Oleander: nice quote ... encouragement for learning and collecting memories to create music!
Eliza Madrigal: just realized the tone of the feeling was something like "C'mere and let me reeeaad youuuu" lol
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eden Haiku: aahhhh!
Eliza Madrigal: very lovely, sorry being silly ^^
Eden Haiku: :)
Bleu Oleander: many of the scenes in "cafe society" were filmed similarly to scenes in Allen's past movies ... like the fragments from Modiano's books

Shuffle and deal out new stories

Bleu Oleander: it like they shuffle and deal out new stories
Eden Haiku: Creating music from sequences of memories?
Riddle Sideways: nice image
Riddle Sideways: remix
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: Remix yes, nice image Bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: life as musical mystery novel
Riddle Sideways: yes it is
Bleu Oleander: I think that's what learning is ... absorbing the fragments that color our future experiences
Riddle Sideways: with, at some point, one new something thrown in
Eden Haiku: Reminds me of "epiphanies;. When one suddenly "knows".
Bleu Oleander: each new fragment adds to the mix
Eliza Madrigal: knowing in that sense being something that comes together as 'more than' or maybe sometimes 'less than' due to the interplay of the parts?
Eliza Madrigal: less than, taking a weight off shoulders... more than, giving wings
Eden Haiku: Interesting that it could also be "less",,,
Bleu Oleander: its cumulative with varying results :)
Bleu Oleander: interesting question, can we accumulate knowledge and then actually have less? or are we perceiving it as just not valuable perhaps?
Eden Haiku: Weight off, wings lifting oneself. Great analogy for "knowledege", whichever level :)
Eliza Madrigal: can drop off something that has been 'finished' in some sense... may not lose the memory
Eliza Madrigal: but that knowledge might change form? weight?
Eliza Madrigal: part may change actors :)
Eden Haiku: Drop out, drop in :)
Bleu Oleander: for sure knowledge changes on a continuum of value

--BELL--

Repeating with twists: «When Life deals you Lemons»

Riddle Sideways: re: the remixing, repeating with twists, stories told again. Yesterday, was (at something) making lemonade: maybe 20+ people walked by while cutting the lemons
Riddle Sideways: they each had to say"When Life deals you Lemons ..."
Eliza Madrigal: hahha
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Riddle Sideways: but changed the last words
Eliza Madrigal: the makings of a book, Riddle! 20 variations
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Riddle Sideways: lol
Eliza Madrigal: play it again, Sam, but with slight twist
Eden Haiku: Very funny Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: seems like your thoughts on remix, replays
Riddle Sideways: groaning over, not this again and excitement to hear what this person will add/subtract
Riddle Sideways: get up in the morning, same thing for breakfast
Riddle Sideways: then "what is this ..."
Eden Haiku: smiles
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: birdy at the window flavors the oatmeal

Life is a musical mystery novel

Riddle Sideways: now thinking that there can not be a 'Learn Nothing Day'
Riddle Sideways: for us'n
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eden Haiku: Unfortunately no...
Eliza Madrigal munches juicy plum... session tastes delicious
Eden Haiku: We are bound to be very knowledgable :)
Bleu Oleander: there are always cracks where the light seeps in :)
Eden Haiku: Yep!
Eden Haiku: Juicy plum mium....
Riddle Sideways: the sweet refrain when the light seeps in
Eliza Madrigal: yesterday heard Bohemian Rhapsody on piano, sans lyrics, was a revelation. Heard a million times before but now I feel I haven't heard it yet... like I'm close to hearing it once
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eden Haiku: Wonderful!
Eliza Madrigal: knowing can feel like not knowing?
Riddle Sideways: ah
Bleu Oleander: indeed
Eden Haiku: It's all the same anyway. Nothing to know. Unattainable. Both.
Eden Haiku: So typos typos and typos....[had written: Unattainanble] 

Riddle Sideways: Our Bach festival is having a program on Bach pieces or refrains used in Rock-n-Roll
Eliza Madrigal: ^^
Eden Haiku: oh?
Bleu Oleander: nice Riddle
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eden Haiku: Like what?
Eden Haiku: Remixing;)
Eliza Madrigal: mountain no mountain remix
Riddle Sideways: can't find the description http://www.bachfestival.org/
Eliza Madrigal: so nice....
Bleu Oleander: was intrigued by this ... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/books/novelists-reimagine-and-update-shakespeares-plays.html?_r=0
Bleu Oleander: may read some of them especially Atwood's
Eliza Madrigal: high level fan fiction :))
Bleu Oleander: I love to see art pieces interpreted within contemporary frameworks
Riddle Sideways: shuffle the articles and deal out a re-read
Eliza Madrigal: me too actually... the way someone takes in something and it transforms into new expression
Eden Haiku: Thanks for the Bach link Riddle and for the Shakespeare link Bleu. Some new knowledge to chew :) In order to break free from Knowledge :)
Eliza Madrigal: a read out :)) yes

--BELL--

Bleu Oleander: must go y'all ... nice to see you
Eliza Madrigal: I have some old knowledge to work with today, and some old patterns to break...
Bleu Oleander: have a great day!
Eden Haiku: Bye Bleu:)
Eliza Madrigal: thank you for this session
Bleu Oleander: yes, ty!
Riddle Sideways: yes, have your best day
Riddle Sideways: by All
Bleu Oleander: byeee
Eliza Madrigal: you too Riddle
Eden Haiku: Thank you for attending. Have a great first day of the week everyone :)
Eliza Madrigal: and Eden, thanks so much, hope you are less groggy now :)
Eden Haiku: Yep! You woke me up! Have a nice week Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: hugs, bfn