2016.08.11 13:00 - TSK Session: Let Yourself Be Seen

The Guardians for this meeting were Eliza, Mick, Bruce and Wol.  :-)

Eliza Madrigal waves across the pool
Eliza Madrigal: how is your summer, Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: HOT!
Bruce Mowbray: and good, thanks.
Eliza Madrigal nods, relates :)
Bruce Mowbray: Have been doing my rain dance a lot, but it doesn't seem to be working.
Bruce Mowbray: I need to aim it better, perhaps.
Eliza Madrigal: nearing drought conditions?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, but only very locally.
Eliza Madrigal: thankfully it has rained a lot here, along with amazing storms.. a normal August :)
Bruce Mowbray: Counties all around ours are getting above average rainfalls.
Eliza Madrigal: how strange
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps a rain dance IS in order
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, my farmer and I have tracked this phenomenon for years -- it happens at least a dozen times every summer.
Bruce Mowbray: Storm fronts just split before they pass over the farm, then come back together afterwards.
Eliza Madrigal: fascinating
Bruce Mowbray: We think ther is some sort of "thermal" condition causing air to warm - splitting the fronts.
Eliza Madrigal: wild, at least you can sort of factor the possibility, if not exactly plan for such a thing
Bruce Mowbray: A town about ten miles away has a LOT of big parking lots - for warehouses... and that could be part of it.
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Mick.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick :)
Mickorod Renard: hiya
Eliza Madrigal: I'm really depending on you guys today. I had a lot to say about this week's exercises and reading but then had the last two days full of dealing with complicated school stuff with my son...

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: decisions to be made, so many people to talk to over the phone and in person
Eliza Madrigal: (and I dislike phone calls! ack)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi...he he ..I was going to say something similar Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: I got there first, hahah
Eliza Madrigal: sort of like the volunteer line when one steps back...
Eliza Madrigal laughs, kidding ^.^
Eliza Madrigal: it is 'there', just clouded over at the moment with 'what if, and 'what about, and please let such n such happen...'
Mickorod Renard: yeh, I am just copying my stuff up now
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Mickorod Renard: :)
Mickorod Renard: I cannot believe how up to my neck in stuff I am at the mo..and I dont work any more either
Eliza Madrigal: stuff with the kids, before school starts?
Mickorod Renard: well, even the kids parents are kids
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: so I get a double whammy
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eliza Madrigal: don't they know you are a kid too?
Mickorod Renard: also I have such bad pain in my wrist at the mo I can hardly write or type
Eliza Madrigal: oh no :(
Eliza Madrigal: we'll be patient
Bruce Mowbray: Sorry to hear that, Mick.
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Wol.
Wol Euler: evening all
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol! :)
Mickorod Renard: and I have to play 4 hours tennis a week and go to the gym and do wieghts twice a week doctors orders
Mickorod Renard: Hi Wol
Mickorod Renard: I think its to stop myself degenerating
Eliza Madrigal: quite the regimen
Bruce Mowbray: Walking a mile every morning is just about my limit.
Bruce Mowbray: Then I sit around for the rest of the day getting fat..
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Bruce Mowbray: Gets too hot outside to go out there, anyway.
Eliza Madrigal: I go to yoga faithfully for about 3 weeks at a time, injure myself then stop, gain weight, get discouraged, go back...
Eliza Madrigal: but I'm consistent
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes, I relate to that, Eliza.
Mickorod Renard: I generaly get to do the mile taking my gdaughter to school but now I have to run it cos she goes on a bike
Eliza Madrigal: sounds like you're actually in good shape Mick
Wol Euler smiles.
Mickorod Renard: he he Eliza, viscious circle
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: And Wol? getting to rest yet?
Wol Euler: not yet no
Mickorod Renard: the guy at the gym says I am the fittist specimen he's been sent
Eliza Madrigal smiles at Mick the specimen
Wol Euler: but the office closes for two weeks on the 16th, I can sleep then
Eliza Madrigal: yay!
Mickorod Renard: yeh, sorry i am gonna do lots of bad spelling
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh. Good, Wol.
Eliza Madrigal: no worries about spelling :)
Mickorod Renard: yayyyyy for Wol
Mickorod Renard: bout time you got some rest
Eliza Madrigal: and play
Eliza Madrigal: (same thing?)

Beginning....

Eliza Madrigal: Hm, so this may be us for today....
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm. Looks like it.
Eliza Madrigal: Tura is at an event, and not sure of others...
Eliza Madrigal: so we can take it lightly

Eliza Madrigal: Reports?
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: I don't actually have a report but I do have some miscellaneous thoughts
Mickorod Renard: Thats great, this thursday hit me like no tommorow..I thought it was Tuesday or Wednesday
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful, Bruce
Mickorod Renard: great
Bruce Mowbray: shall I begin then?
Eliza Madrigal: sure!
Mickorod Renard: please
Bruce Mowbray: Okay
 

Bruce

Bruce Mowbray: I'd like to start with something that Zen said yesterday in our Original Face session.
Bruce Mowbray: I will try to paraphrase it because I don't remember the quote exactly.
Bruce Mowbray: he said, " When you really get to know a thing, you're already halfway there to being in love with it."
Bruce Mowbray: something very close to that, anyway.
Eliza Madrigal: nice
Bruce Mowbray: I feel that this is pretty much the just of chapter 12.
Bruce Mowbray: I'm sorry. I am using Dragon and it fouls out some of my words.
Mickorod Renard: that is a lovely saying..although some things I have gotten to know better has left me disillusioned
Bruce Mowbray: I will try to check them before I push the enter key next time.
Eliza Madrigal: that's okay, I can hear what you mean almost always
Wol Euler nods.

Bruce Mowbray: anyway I'd like to share a poem by w. B. Yeats that says very much the same thing, I feel:
Bruce Mowbray:

“I sat, a solitary man,
In a crowded London shop,
An open book and empty cup
On the marble table-top.
While on the shop and street I gazed
My body of a sudden blazed;
And twenty minutes
more or less It seemed,
so great my happiness,
That I was blessed
and could bless.”  

W.B. Yeats

Mickorod Renard: yes, very nice poem
Eliza Madrigal: beautiful
Mickorod Renard: I even had a mini daydream then, and I too looked out the shop window

Bruce Mowbray: When we let things be what they are, without trying to fix them, or make them something else, or even necessarily trying to understand them, then we open ourselves to being blessed by them.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Mick.. I shared the poem on Monday during our 1 PM session... and you attended that, I recall.
Mickorod Renard: yes, thats right Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Anyway, I will simply close by saying that anything that you cannot feel blessed by and anything that you cannot bless - well, that is something that perhaps you should spend more time becoming aware of.
Bruce Mowbray: [done]
Eliza Madrigal: thoughtful
Wol Euler smiles.

Mickorod Renard: A few times I have almost felt like an observer of the world..It reminded me of that too. I feel so much better being an observer than a manipulater
Eliza Madrigal: does convey the expansiveness, fullness, too
Mickorod Renard: thank you Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: yw.
Eliza Madrigal: but do you feel 'separate' then, Mick?
Eliza Madrigal: like the world, then me?
Mickorod Renard: well..maybe we can come to that question in a sec
Eliza Madrigal: great, sure
Mickorod Renard: I have something..very inadequate, I prepared
Mickorod Renard: it involves seperation
Mickorod Renard: would you like me to share
Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
Eliza Madrigal: yes please
Bruce Mowbray: yes!
Mickorod Renard: ok

Mick

Mickorod Renard: Chapter 12, I didnt finish, I have been away and on return I have to sort all the stuff out that gets left.
Mickorod Renard: I had a go, Lower knowledge. Those words should fall comfortably for me. Strangely they do, especially after reading eliza's email where she gives an excelent overview. It reminds me of doing this before..or at least being part of discussions relating to it
Mickorod Renard: And yes, the trust to sort of abandon conventional ways of thinking to find that sweet spot, challenging. But it also challenges me insomuch as my life, which is so 'interfeared with' by family. I barely get an hour or so a week without being roped into some drama
Mickorod Renard: I fear that to venture into these regions of thought or thinking or even exploration, its gonna be hard. I am going to try.
Mickorod Renard: But to trust also means some sort of separation...some release from convention , I struggle with knowing how to do this, I need to read on.
Mickorod Renard: Ex 27/28 I glanced and played in the mind..I have memories of doing these exercises before. I look forward to doing them again. Time is always pushing and shoving me.. done

Eliza Madrigal: that is a very complete, incomplete report!
Mickorod Renard: he he
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm. Very interesting, Mick. TY.
Mickorod Renard: but in reply to your question
Mickorod Renard: Eliza
Wol Euler smiles.
 

Let Yourself Be Seen

Mickorod Renard: when I have felt to be an observer I have felt separate
Bruce Mowbray: Does anyone else remember " Let yourself be seen"?
Mickorod Renard: but in the case of tsk I feel like I wiuld need to seperate from daily routine to achieve the ...thing
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Mickorod Renard: no Bruce?
Mickorod Renard: how does that work Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: Well, it might have been an exercise that Pema gave us in the Time Magic course.
Eliza Madrigal nods Mick. This kind of endeavor does make one realize why Steven and others place a high value on retreats
Bruce Mowbray: Anyway, I feel it is very relevant with this chapter/s.
Mickorod Renard: is it like seen not heard?
Eliza Madrigal: one of the exercises coming up is subject object reversal, and that is similar, isn't it Bruce?
Wol Euler: yes, thats it
Bruce Mowbray: It feels to me like letting oneself be blessed ....
Mickorod Renard: ah I remember that now
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, subject-object reversal is something like it, indeed.

Wol Euler: not "I project my consciousness into the table and look back at my body", but "the table sees me"
Mickorod Renard: yes, become the object and see yourself?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Wol, wonderful.
Bruce Mowbray: And so, what does it mean to be blessed by the table, or by anything?
Wol Euler: we did that at one or more retreat(s), it's challenging and enjoyable
Bruce Mowbray: The chapter (if I remember rightly) also says that every perception is "perfect."
Bruce Mowbray: Maybe that's chapter 13....
Eliza Madrigal: yes! I thought of you when I read that, Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Good! I'm glad that you did!
Bruce Mowbray: Can you grok what that feels like?
Eliza Madrigal: indeed. the reading very much feels like something Pila would bring up a lot....
Eliza Madrigal: about taking away something every day
Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
Eliza Madrigal: uncovering 'what is' to use more this language
Eliza Madrigal: there is an energy there... resourcefulness

Eliza Madrigal: I heard myself say to someone a few weeks ago, that people often will relate to how 'the kids' can be draining, but they are 'also' a wonderful inspiration
Eliza Madrigal: they give as much energy, if I can slow down doing for them
Eliza Madrigal: get out of the list
Mickorod Renard: he he
Bruce Mowbray: There was about twenty years ago an American pop song, "Every little thing you do is magic..."
Eliza Madrigal: so in that sense it is like Wol saying subject/object reversal is relaxing... that's true - but I can't place why!
Bruce Mowbray: How about, "Every little perception you have is magic -- and perfect."
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Wol, didn't Pema do a subject/object thing in Germany visiting you?
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: yes
Wol Euler: that was why I said "at least one". I know it happened there, but I feel that I also did it with you and Bruce

Bruce Mowbray loves the notion that perception is reciprocal.
Bruce Mowbray loves knowing that his plants also perceive - and even care for - him.
Bruce Mowbray: and his birds . . and so I am THEIR human.... Ha ha!
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eliza Madrigal: The Rubin museum had a speaker recently.... who talked about mirror practice
Bruce Mowbray listens VERY carefully.
Eliza Madrigal: the idea of which makes me uncomfortable because, even though I may look into the mirror to do something, put on make up, fix hair, etc....
Eliza Madrigal: it is strange to gaze with oneself in that way
Eliza Madrigal: but I tried it for 3 minutes
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps if you blessed the mirror.....?
Eliza Madrigal: and it was fascinating
Eliza Madrigal: well that's the thing.... there is a lot of acceptance for oneself that is waiting to show up
Bruce Mowbray: Indeed. My Typist HATES mirrors.
Eliza Madrigal: but this was quite different than I could have imagined...
Eliza Madrigal: highly recommend
Bruce Mowbray listens again.
Wol Euler smiles.

Wol

Wol Euler: that reminds me of a favourite passage, one of the most moving bits of "Eat Pray Love"
Bruce Mowbray: Is the exercise simply to gaze at yourself for 3 minutes, Eliza?
Wol Euler: (later)
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, I'd like to hear Wol, and I'll find the link to the mirror practic
Mickorod Renard: I remember being on video lots and having to watch the playbacks..I hated myself..especially my voice
Bruce Mowbray: I also want to hear about that, Wol.
Mickorod Renard: yes me too pls
Bruce Mowbray: OH! Me TOO, Mick!
Wol Euler: I think everyone who doesn't becomes an actor, Mick, which tells how common it is
Wol Euler: okay
Mickorod Renard: :)
Bruce Mowbray listens for more from Wol.

Wol Euler: so at the depths of despair and alienation, deeply unhappy and angry with herself and the world, Elizabeth Gilbert is walking through a store one day, distracted from the moment by her unhappiness and anger
Wol Euler: and catches a glimpse of a known face across the store
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh....
Wol Euler: her brain says "oh, that's a friend of ours, we like her!" and she runs to hug the person
Wol Euler: who turns out to be herself reflected in a mirror
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Mickorod Renard: he he , very nice
Eliza Madrigal: angels unawares :)
Wol Euler: "always remember that there was a day when you greeted yourself as a friend"

Eliza Madrigal: wow that is beautiful
Mickorod Renard: I always scare the c..p out of me when I do that
Bruce Mowbray never learned how to look in a mirror without being self-conscious -- and worse.
Eliza Madrigal: I guess we walk around with a lot of not-peace with ourselves
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: I certainly do
Bruce Mowbray: I'd heard a story like that, Wol, but it turned out that she thought the reflection looked sad... and she felt compassion for that "other" person.
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray: before she realized it was herself.
Wol Euler: would be even more revelatory, wouldn't it`?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I think it might.

Eliza Madrigal: here is the link to the mirror practice which they say may help develop "self compassion": http://rubinmuseum.org/events/event/...ation-09-12-16
Mickorod Renard: me too..and I am sure I could feel so much more euphoric if I was more positive at the moment
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal: seems lots of potential but also a practice to be light and careful with
Bruce Mowbray: There is something about vulnerability in here, isn't there?
Eliza Madrigal: very much so
Mickorod Renard: in chpr 12?
Bruce Mowbray: In order to be blessed (even by ourselves) we need to accept our own vulnerability at a very deep level.
Eliza Madrigal: there is a subject/object reversal exercise coming up in the reading, but this came up outside of the book... seems to fit though?
Eliza Madrigal: acceptance of self may 'of itself' show up as acceptance of others, of the 'whole situation' or, some have said, the 'whole catastrophe'
Bruce Mowbray: :) Kazantzakis!
Bruce Mowbray: (Zorba).
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Bruce Mowbray ponders blessing and being blessed by the full catastrophe.

Mickorod Renard: do you think that we may be un trusting of the direction the book hopes to take us because of our vulnerability? Our fear that we may not get the feeling of grasping it or rewarding results?
Bruce Mowbray: I do, yes, Mick.
Eliza Madrigal listens
Bruce Mowbray: I feel that many might feel that the book will help us "fix" something...
Bruce Mowbray: when nothing really needs to be fixed.
Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: for me, the explorations are about doing it as our group
Eliza Madrigal: so there are layers
Bruce Mowbray nods, listens.
Eliza Madrigal: there is the personal exploration, then from that what I am able to share, or hope to convey
Eliza Madrigal: then there is what comes through others individually
Eliza Madrigal: which is often so unique to what I had seen or heard or felt
Eliza Madrigal: and then that sort of synthesizes to a collective wisdom
Eliza Madrigal: and refreshing it for 'our time'
Eliza Madrigal: I sometimes feel that others may not hear both sides or may get turned off too easily...
Eliza Madrigal: or not exactly both sides, but, the book is just one component
Eliza Madrigal: of what I hope we are doing :)
Bruce Mowbray remembers "focal settings" .... and moving into the "giant" . . . and sharing those experiences.
Bruce Mowbray: a joyous sharing.
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Bruce Mowbray: In a way, a sort of Blessed Community.
Eliza Madrigal: nice, yes I think so
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Eliza Madrigal: and also, some tangible help too, though

Bruce Mowbray: The word "Barach" means "bless" in ancient Hebrew.
Mickorod Renard: there is something else I have noticed.......that the change in ourselves may already have happened
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Eliza Madrigal: oh?
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Bruce Mowbray: "may already have happened..." I like that.
Mickorod Renard: I am reading the book and feeling like I know it
Wol Euler: "deja lu" :)
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Bruce Mowbray: Each time I read it, I find somethings old and somethings new.

Mickorod Renard: sort of,,but what I mean is,,the transformation I may be expecting may be a slow work that began years ago
Eliza Madrigal: being seen by TSK
Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes, Mick.
Wol Euler: absolutely, mick
Bruce Mowbray: and TRUST that path....
Eliza Madrigal: please say more Mick, if you can?
Mickorod Renard: well, I am already diferent in thought to most around me
Mickorod Renard: as far as I can tell
Mickorod Renard: deeper
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Mickorod Renard: less trivial
Mickorod Renard: I dunno how to say..but perhaps you understand
Eliza Madrigal: I think so, but also there is more than I understand
Wol Euler nods.
Mickorod Renard: I would love to share with those around me..but they dont understand
Eliza Madrigal: we probably all have stories of having tried?
Wol Euler nods.

Bruce Mowbray: I remember in the 1960's we used to meditate to "expand our awareness...." and now, 5 decades later, I'm just beginning to get an inkling of what that may have meant.
Eliza Madrigal: I think that's why, even though people make fun now, it is hard for people to 'let go' of the 60s... because for a window of time the 'deep stuff' cropped up into the mainstream more
Bruce Mowbray: Remember Blake: "To see the world in a grain of sand and eternity in an hour"?
Bruce Mowbray: or Wordsworth's "A sense sublime of something far more deeply interfused..."?
Bruce Mowbray: If feel that both of those are entirely in agreeement with the TSK vision.
Mickorod Renard: This is just it Bruce..we appreciate that sort of stuff, art poetry..but often the world around us is in in too much of a rush

Eliza Madrigal: I want to share a quick article that I think is well worth the time....
Bruce Mowbray: Maybe for a brief time in the 60's, the West was a bit like India... I mean, the India of the ancients....
Bruce Mowbray: listens for more from Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal: oh, that's a neat thought, Bruce
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Eliza Madrigal: here's the article. it is a fun read but also fascinating
Eliza Madrigal: http://nautil.us/issue/39/sport/the-...t-solo-climber
Bruce Mowbray: TY.
Mickorod Renard: ty

Eliza Madrigal: One line I liked was when this fearless climber said
Wol Euler notes.
Eliza Madrigal: “There’s just not much going on in my brain,” Honnold muses. “It just doesn’t do anything.”
Eliza Madrigal: then, after talking about the things he does... rehearsal, memory, etc...
Eliza Madrigal: "At the very least, it might be possible for any one of us to work a little bit of Honnold’s magic. You may not have the traits of a super sensation seeker, or be able to quench your amygdala on command, but with conscious effort and gradual, repeated exposure to what you fear, any one of us might muster courage that we didn’t know we had."
Eliza Madrigal: maybe even to gaze into a mirror for more than 3 minutes? :)))
Wol Euler: heheheh
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm. For sure.
Bruce Mowbray: Very important to be able to bless one's fears.
Eliza Madrigal nods... "the places that scare you"
Bruce Mowbray: and be blessed by them.
Eliza Madrigal: cave you fear to enter, and all that :))

Bruce Mowbray: As I watch the Olympic athletes, I see many wise notions contained in their movements...
Eliza Madrigal: talk about beyond, wow
Bruce Mowbray: overcoming fear, diving, gynmastics, etc.
Bruce Mowbray: amazing, really.
Wol Euler: I often think "How many *dozens* of thousands of hours went into those five minutes?
Mickorod Renard: yes, I thought that Bruce..today
Eliza Madrigal: indeed
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Wol.
Eliza Madrigal: a whole family must give up their life, sort of
Bruce Mowbray: REALLY really confronting all the fears, and all the imperfections,...
Bruce Mowbray: and all the self-doubts.
Eliza Madrigal: also hard to fathom that kind of support...
Bruce Mowbray ponders "LEAP" of faith.
Bruce Mowbray: literally a leap.
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Bruce Mowbray: I must be off. THANKS you all for a wonderful session.
Bruce Mowbray: Intimate and special.
Eliza Madrigal: Have a nice dinner, Bruce :) Thanks so much
Mickorod Renard: bye bruce
Wol Euler: bye bruce, scrape well
Mickorod Renard: thanks heps
Eliza Madrigal: it has been :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: I shall head off too
Wol Euler: goodnight my dears
Eliza Madrigal: Night Wol!
Mickorod Renard: I hope I didnt come across as negative re tsk,,I didnt mean to
Wol Euler: and I'll say now what I held back before because the moment 
Mickorod Renard: nte wol
Wol Euler: wasn't right: my eliza, you are very colourful today :)
Wol Euler: <3
Eliza Madrigal smiles :))
Eliza Madrigal: <3 thank you
Wol Euler: bye for now
Eliza Madrigal: and you are cute as always
Mickorod Renard: he he

Eliza Madrigal: Mick, I didn't hear negativity at all
Mickorod Renard: ah great
Eliza Madrigal: if anything, you remind me to be genuine
Eliza Madrigal: not to section off tsk from the rest of my life
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes I keep struggles to the side
Mickorod Renard: Its a funny old book
Eliza Madrigal: It is!!
Eliza Madrigal: and going through like this, more than a book
Mickorod Renard: I would have never read it ,especially several times if it wasnt for something
Eliza Madrigal: agreed....
Mickorod Renard: not sure what that is
Mickorod Renard: perhaps our interest as a group
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: since PaB was birthed from TSK sort of....
Mickorod Renard: I fear that I may have had other reasons
Eliza Madrigal: what attracted us to PaB is likely intrinsic in ways
Mickorod Renard: yes, thats prob it
Eliza Madrigal: earlier I was saying there is tangible help, although we try not to seek it

Mickorod Renard: even sl
Eliza Madrigal: definitely
Mickorod Renard: was it escapism?
Eliza Madrigal: a little... the same 'dreaming' personality
Mickorod Renard: he he
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: but dreams can awaken, right?
Mickorod Renard: yes, for sure
Eliza Madrigal: so taken seriously, playfulness turns out to be quite potent
Mickorod Renard: well, I had best get some kip..i will try and do justice to this chapter next week
Eliza Madrigal: me too :)
Eliza Madrigal: thank you Mick, very very much
Mickorod Renard: yes, play is very important
Mickorod Renard: No, the thanks are all mine
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eliza Madrigal: try to get some escape moments from obligations too :)) mini retreats
Mickorod Renard: yes, I need them
Eliza Madrigal: Nite :)
Mickorod Renard: see you soon
Mickorod Renard: nite