2013.04.22 13:00 - Deepest Would Mean Nothing

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[13:25] Wol Euler: hello xs
[13:25] Wol Euler: and hello qt
[13:26] Qt Core: Hi Xs, WOl
[13:27] Wol Euler: how are we all today?
[13:27] Xs Andree: back
[13:28] Xs Andree: I am very well, thank you.
[13:28] Qt Core: quite cold, yesterday was rainy, today rainy and cold
[13:28] Wol Euler: heheh, same here qt
[13:28] Xs Andree: It is raining here as well, but we need it after the drought last year.

[13:28] Xs Andree: I'm giving a presentation at a local rl group tonight on Synchronicity.
[13:28] Qt Core: today i got some chocolate instead of the usual coke from the vemding ,achine ;-)
[13:29] Xs Andree: just got done preparing it.
[13:29] Wol Euler: sounds good :)
[13:29] Xs Andree: lol, now I'm craving chocolate.

[13:31] Xs Andree: What is the topic this week, anyway?
[13:32] Qt Core: deepest acceptance
[13:32] Wol Euler looks at the board
[13:33] Xs Andree: oh, I see it now.
[13:33] Wol Euler: I'm not quite sure what "deepest" means
[13:34] Xs Andree: for my paradigm, which I'm still playing with, experimenting with, Deepest would mean nothing.
[13:34] Xs Andree: emptiness. As I believe (_no_thing) exists
[13:35] Wol Euler ponders that statement.
[13:36] Xs Andree: "The hidden reasons, now in deletion, are lost in sin. Now hear my calling, the final warning, I'll tell you, here is the twist: The truth is lying below the surface, I don't exist" Ozzy Oxbourne, Secret Loser
[13:37] Xs Andree: erm, Osbourne
[13:37] Wol Euler: understood :)
[13:37] Xs Andree: :P

[13:42] Wol Euler: I'm still wondering about Deepest and Nothing.
[13:44] Xs Andree: Well...for me, I see the universe in a rather inverse way. Empty space is a something, most defintitely. I can be warped, twisted, stretched
[13:44] Xs Andree: yet, what energy is, and by extension, matter, we can say nothing about. Only that it is.
[13:45] Xs Andree: Even in String theory, we have a name for what energy and matter is..."vibrating strings" but no explanation of what strings are made of.

[13:47] Bleu Oleander: hiya :)
[13:47] Xs Andree: I consider that it is possible that they may be made of nothing at all. Like air bubbles in water, the boundary between the water and the air, seems solid, even acts solid in some ways.
[13:47] Qt Core: hi Bleu
[13:47] Wol Euler: hello bleu
[13:48] Xs Andree: if that is so, then we represent that boundary between existence and non-existence
[13:48] Xs Andree: in a way, we, matter, energy, would be the...-form- of nothing.
[13:50] Wol Euler: oh, bleu went off again
[13:50] Wol Euler: instable and crashing I assume

[13:50] Xs Andree: what seems solid would be nothing more than...say a fracture within a crystal, seeming to have shape and form, yet itself not anything at all, nothing more than a boundary where the crystal aligns one way, then aligns another.

[13:50] Wol Euler: interesting, xs.....
[13:50] Xs Andree: I can't disprove it.
[13:51] Xs Andree: I think that something must arise from nothing, instead of the assumption that Nothing comes from nothing.
[13:52] Xs Andree: because something is the only change Nothing can become.
[13:53] Xs Andree: even thinking about nothng makes it a thing. the phrase "Nothing exists" central to Nihilism, even winds up with two meanings...

[13:53] Xs Andree: Does it mean, that "Nothing" as a thing, exists? That there is such a thing as "Nothing"....or does it mean No Thing exists?
[13:53] Xs Andree: which is why I say (-no-thing) exists
[13:55] Wol Euler: at a subatomic level, that is surely true. The vast majority of the volume of any atom is truly empty.
[13:55] Xs Andree: ...and electrons jump from one energy state to another without any intervening state, quantum states...

[13:56] Xs Andree: I think...at the deepest level, or at least the deepest level where we can still speak reasonably about time, space, matter and nergy...that spacetime, empty, exists more solidly than matter and energy.
[13:57] Xs Andree: that matter and energy are nothing more than impty fractures rippling through spacetime.

[13:58] Xs Andree: quantum foam, mixed in with spacetime, to make things which seem solid, changing, dynamic
[13:58] Xs Andree: thankfully...above the surface, we do exist.
[13:58] Xs Andree: it is just below the surface that we do not.
[14:00] Wol Euler nods thoughtfully.

[14:04] Qt Core: i need to go, bye Xs, bye Wol
[14:05] Wol Euler: bye qt
[14:05] Wol Euler: I should move on too, it's been a long and stressful day
[14:06] Wol Euler: goodnight xs, and thanks for the conversation. It's something to think about.
[14:06] Wol Euler smiles.
[14:09] Xs Andree: you too.