2013.04.25 19:00 - Emersion in Music is an Excellent Example

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    [19:08] stevenaia Michinaga: waves
    [19:09] Paradise Tennant: hiya stev ..how are you :_)
    [19:09] stevenaia Michinaga: where did your cute puppy go?
    [19:09] stevenaia Michinaga: I am good :)
    [19:09] Paradise Tennant: in my inventory had the urge to wear shoes :))
    [19:09] stevenaia Michinaga: was having a busy week, I think things have settled down
    [19:10] stevenaia Michinaga: well I saw her dance, I;m sure your shoes would fit too
    [19:10] Paradise Tennant: me too .. very busy '
    [19:10] stevenaia Michinaga: another 99 days is over
    [19:11] stevenaia Michinaga: I kinda fizzeled out
    [19:11] Paradise Tennant: i never really got going
    [19:11] Paradise Tennant: one sec going to pour a glass of malbec
    [19:11] stevenaia Michinaga: but it always is a nice group to spend part of your 99 days wit
    [19:11] stevenaia Michinaga: ok
    [19:12] stevenaia Michinaga: :)

    [19:12] stevenaia Michinaga: hello Rosatta
    [19:12] stevenaia Michinaga: hi Korel
    [19:12] Rosatta Resident: Hello, : )
    [19:12] Korel Laloix: heya
    [19:13] Paradise Tennant: hiya korel how are you:)
    [19:13] Korel Laloix: Just taking a study break... so good.. just need to clear my brain for a bit.
    [19:13] Paradise Tennant: hiya rosatta nice to see you
    [19:13] Paradise Tennant: yes breaks are good
    [19:13] stevenaia Michinaga: yes, a cluttered mind tends to get in yourown way
    [19:14] Rosatta Resident: Ty, Paradise. It is nice to see you, too : )
    [19:14] Korel Laloix: At least i havea mind to clutter.
    [19:14] stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    [19:14] Korel Laloix: Might need to wash it with something though.
    [19:14] Paradise Tennant: smiles
    [19:14] Korel Laloix: Taquilla maybe...
    [19:15] Paradise Tennant: mind dust !
    [19:16] Korel Laloix: Have some good headbanging music going in the background as well.. smiles..


    [19:16] Rosatta Resident: I got a message from Helping Haven that they are having and Ancient Egypt dance/party Sunday from 12 noon - 2 on Sunday with free costumes.
    [19:16] Rosatta Resident: I thought I'd mention it in case anyone likes to to that kind of playing in sl
    [19:17] Paradise Tennant: smiles
    [19:17] Rosatta Resident: I already have my costume : -D
    [19:17] Korel Laloix: I sort of have a problem with that place.
    [19:17] Paradise Tennant: dressing up all good :)
    [19:17] Korel Laloix: But thanks for the invite.
    [19:17] Paradise Tennant: I was camming in on the theme for this week .. deepest acceptance

    [19:17] Rosatta Resident: Oh, no! The last place you told me you had problems with, I had to leave it because of problems. Take it back! ROFL

    [19:17] Paradise Tennant: this is one I really like
    [19:18] Rosatta Resident listening for Paradise to share her thoughts
    [19:18] Korel Laloix: They had this ultra offensive cowboys and indians dress up event and were rather angry at me for bringing it to their attention.
    [19:19] Rosatta Resident: A bunch of white people - and I say this as an Anglo Saxon
    [19:19] Rosatta Resident: ~ sigh ~
    [19:20] Korel Laloix: Oh well.. to each their own.. but they seem to be happy perpetuating negative stereotypes and offensive characturizations.
    [19:20] Rosatta Resident: But accepting ignorance on the part of others is needed for any kind of sanity
    [19:20] Korel Laloix: Oh I agree... I tried... and I am done with them.
    [19:20] Korel Laloix: Sorry to bring up the negative.
    [19:20] Rosatta Resident: Korel, I have been punished and blamed for other white people's behavior and attitudes so often, I an in total agreement with you
    [19:21] Korel Laloix: But there are lots of people that don't have issue with the Washington Redskns either.
    [19:21] Paradise Tennant: smiles
    [19:21] Korel Laloix: But if i bought that team and renamed it the Washington Niggers, i would be called a racist.

    [19:21] Rosatta Resident: We lost Stevenia and I didn't even notice
    [19:22] Paradise Tennant: he must have crashed
    [19:22] Paradise Tennant: smiles
    [19:22] Korel Laloix: That or I annoyed him away... smiles.. I am good at that.

     

    [19:22] Paradise Tennant: getting back to deepest acceptance :))
    [19:22] Paradise Tennant: this is a really good quote
    [19:22] Paradise Tennant: Everything is simply irresistible to what you are.
    [19:23] Korel Laloix: What does that mean?
    [19:23] Paradise Tennant: To ‘accept’ thoughts and feelings is to simply, gently, effortlessly notice that in this moment, those thoughts and feelings are already accepted – they have already been allowed in. They are already here. It’s not a time-bound doing, but a present-moment seeing. You cannot accept – for what you are is that acceptance. This turns many spiritual teachings on their head. Now acceptance is not a place to reach in the future – it’s not something to look for, wait for, hope for, beg for. It’s not an achievement or something that comes through years of effort. It’s not a magical event that will happen one day. It’s not even grace. It’s something to rediscover, right in the midst of your present experience, here and now. ‘Acceptance’ is not a future goal – it is a present reality, always. If it is grace, then it is an ever-present grace, available to all, no matter what is happening.

    [19:23] Rosatta Resident: That sounds like the message in "The Power of NOW"
    [19:23] Paradise Tennant: http://www.lifewithoutacentre.com/re...st-acceptance/

    [19:24] Paradise Tennant: yeah kind of same simple message
    [19:24] Paradise Tennant: that is incredibly difficult to embrace
    [19:25] Rosatta Resident: It is. I have so many opinions
    [19:25] Rosatta Resident: And wants and dishlikes
    *dislikes
    [19:25] Korel Laloix: SOunds sort of like equanimity in a way to me.
    [19:25] Rosatta Resident: Hmmm . . wonder what a dishlikes is?
    [19:25] Rosatta Resident giggles

    [19:25] Paradise Tennant: Throughout the day, all sorts of thoughts appear, all sorts of sensations, feelings, sounds arise and fall in the vast ocean of consciousness that you are. Everything that appears in what you are, we could call a wave of experience. And so, this thought is a wave. This sensation is a wave. This sound is a wave. This feeling is a wave. These thought waves, sound waves, feeling waves, sensation waves are all the ocean of consciousness waving, dancing. The ocean dances as all that’s appearing right now. Can you recognise that present experience is always simply a present-moment dance of waves, all happening in the vast ocean that you are? (And for ocean, you can read the word ‘consciousness’ or ‘awareness’ or ‘Being’ or ‘spirit’ or ‘source’ – or whatever word feels right to you. It’s all beyond words, anyway.)

    [19:26] Paradise Tennant: I like his metaphor we are jiggling ripples :))
    [19:26] Rosatta Resident: Trying to explain or describe . . .
    [19:26] Rosatta Resident: wb Stevenaia : )
    [19:26] stevenaia Michinaga: not to self, plug in laptop before signing on to SL
    [19:27] stevenaia Michinaga: Note
    [19:27] Paradise Tennant: smiles wb


    [19:27] Rosatta Resident: Trying to explain or describe multi-dimensional reality from a 3-dimenstional view point . . . . it jsut can't be done
    [19:27] stevenaia Michinaga: ty
    [19:27] Rosatta Resident: That would be describeing something we can't even really experience
    [19:28] Rosatta Resident: We can only get glimpses, I think
    [19:28] Korel Laloix: You just have nto found the right combination of recreational pharmasuiticlas... smiles
    [19:28] Rosatta Resident: One time I was in a planetarium watchinga show about black holes. One of the things they mentioned is that those who hold to the Big Bang theory believe that originally there were 11 dimensions all rolled into one
    [19:28] Korel Laloix: I still do not get this concept you are talking about.
    [19:29] Rosatta Resident: I've read science fiction since I was very young - the stuff based on known science rather than space opera

    [19:29] Paradise Tennant: that we are what is :)) we are like the medium for now :))
    [19:29] Korel Laloix: It just might be beyond my English.
    [19:29] Rosatta Resident: And many authors have tried to find a way to image a demensional reality higher than 3
    [19:29] Rosatta Resident: They always end up describing something that is 3-dimenstional
    [19:31] Rosatta Resident: They couldnt' come even close to imagining something 4-D or 5-D. So, if Ultimate Reality is multi-dimensional, then we are never going to be able comprehend it in our current form

    [19:32] Rosatta Resident: Yest it would seem to me that these higher dimensions must effect ours
    [19:32] Rosatta Resident: So I guess that leaves observing and working with those observations even without understanding
    [19:32] Paradise Tennant: smiels
    [19:32] Paradise Tennant: smiles even
    [19:32] stevenaia Michinaga: how much understanding does one need?
    [19:32] Rosatta Resident: And that has got to be about the deepest acceptance there is
    [19:33] Rosatta Resident: imho


    [19:33] Rosatta Resident: Understanding is a form of control. A lot of sense of safety and power comes out of it
    [19:33] Rosatta Resident: It is hard to give up - for me, anyway
    [19:33] stevenaia Michinaga: and yet, if you don;t, what really changes?
    [19:34] Rosatta Resident: That is the truth lol
    [19:34] Korel Laloix: But we do tend to like to select our ingnorences.
    [19:34] Rosatta Resident: And, as we chatted about in the last session - without acceptance real change is difficult or impossible
    [19:35] Rosatta Resident: And acceptance of not understanding has got to be one of the most important - at least the way it is looking to me
    [19:35] Korel Laloix: If In understand this idea then I would dissagree with you.
    [19:35] Rosatta Resident: Hi, Geo : )
    [19:35] Rosatta Resident: ROFL!!!
    [19:35] Rosatta Resident: That was good, Korel
    [19:35] Paradise Tennant: hiy a geo :)
    [19:35] Korel Laloix: It sounds like to me that acceptance breeds stagnation.
    [19:35] Korel Laloix: Hyea
    [19:35] Rosatta Resident: That is something thathas to be addressed.

    [19:36] Rosatta Resident: I handle ti by terming one acceptance and the other resignation
    [19:36] Rosatta Resident: or laziness
    [19:36] Korel Laloix: Or worse yet, moral apathy.. just like equanimity producess.
    [19:36] Paradise Tennant: hmm depending on what you mean by it .. I suspect acceptance is what we are built for ..
    [19:36] Geo Netizen bows to Paradise and Tosatta
    [19:36] Rosatta Resident: I guess kind of like the Serenity Prayer - accepting what I can't change, chaning what I can, and hoping I know the difference
    [19:37] stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Geo
    [19:37] Paradise Tennant: to be a medium for the now .. to express .. witness what has come into form
    [19:37] Korel Laloix: Bozho
    [19:37] Geo Netizen nods to Stevenaia

    [19:38] Korel Laloix: I just have issues with any persepctive that makes you try not to feel.
    [19:38] Rosatta Resident: To not feel is to not be alive
    [19:38] Paradise Tennant: do you think you feel less if you accept what is
    [19:39] Korel Laloix: And it also means not to care.
    [19:39] Paradise Tennant: or more

    [19:39] Korel Laloix: If you just accept things, you miss out on the emotions.
    [19:40] stevenaia Michinaga: Koreel, you you not acccept things .. forever, or do they things you don;t accept, that make you feel, stay with you for a very long time?
    [19:40] stevenaia Michinaga: *do yu
    [19:40] stevenaia Michinaga: sorry for the bad tying
    [19:40] stevenaia Michinaga: *typing
    [19:41] Geo Netizen smiles
    [19:41] Korel Laloix: Some are short term, some are long.
    [19:41] stevenaia Michinaga: so you do accept over time
    [19:41] Korel Laloix: Not in my definition.
    [19:41] stevenaia Michinaga: could you explain?
    [19:41] Korel Laloix: Maybe a difference in words.
    [19:42] stevenaia Michinaga: I don;t thing everyone accepts everything at the same rate
    [19:42] stevenaia Michinaga: *think
    [19:42] Rosatta Resident: I've had to be about beating to death by circumstances to accept some things
    [19:43] Korel Laloix: If I have a strong emotion like a fear of sAcceptance is not the word for me.... you get used to it... you compartment it... but if it is something bad, I don't think the word is accept.
    [19:43] Korel Laloix: if it is something very good, i really dont accept it.
    [19:44] Korel Laloix: I keep it available and draw on those emotions later.. again and again.
    [19:44] Korel Laloix: i daon't want to accept them.. I want those things fresh and alive for me.
    [19:44] Korel Laloix: Does that make sense?
    [19:46] Paradise Tennant: defen what you think acceptance is .. I suspect there are layers to it ..
    [19:46] stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like a powerful resource, wonders if there can be an equal resource in Accpetance

    [19:47] Korel Laloix: To me it sort of means reducing it to the flat concept or definition.. instead of an actual think or event.
    [19:47] Rosatta Resident: For me, acceptance is acknowledging somethng - letting go of denial, i think
    [19:48] stevenaia Michinaga: love :)
    [19:48] Korel Laloix: If you just accept a beautiful piece of music, you miss the point.
    [19:48] Rosatta Resident: And I also use it for acknowledging when I don't have the power to change something I want changed
    [19:48] Korel Laloix: if you let is sweep over and through you, then you can enjoy it and be human.
    [19:49] Rosatta Resident: Accepting it emotionally - like accepting a gift
    [19:49] Paradise Tennant: I think of it as eyes wide to what is .. with the recognition that I am an expression of it .. a witness to it .. does not mean I won't react to things but does make everything easier
    [19:49] Paradise Tennant: you shift to the concerpt of surrender and embrace
    [19:50] Paradise Tennant: this breath this moment .. this place


    [19:50] Geo Netizen: Our desires are frustrated by impermanence but desires are not the same as emotions. Suffering will cease if all desires cease but that does not require the suppression of emotions. Acceptance recognizes the first without denying the effectiveness of emotions. Emersion in music is actually an excellent example.


    [19:50] Korel Laloix: That sounds exactly opposite of teh concept to me.
    [19:51] Rosatta Resident: I think you are right, Korel, that it is the words that get in the way
    [19:51] Paradise Tennant: yes really feeling music letting it vibrate within in you .. complete within you is an excellent example
    [19:51] Paradise Tennant: often think music is incomplete without someone truly listening
    [19:51] Rosatta Resident: So many words have so many meanings and nuances of meaning
    [19:51] Paradise Tennant: yes
    [19:52] Paradise Tennant: often they get in the way more than help
    [19:52] Korel Laloix: And there are layers of English that I don't have a firm grasp of for sure.
    [19:53] Rosatta Resident: Even for those who do, there are still often times of ambiguity
    [19:53] Korel Laloix: And i have to dissagree with you Geo on a point... I do not thing that suffering will stop when desire does.
    [19:53] Rosatta Resident: That is Buddhist teaching, a core belief
    [19:54] Korel Laloix: hmm... smiles.. maybe why I am not a Buddhist then...
    [19:54] Rosatta Resident: There is a stopping of suffering when one doesn't care any more
    [19:54] Korel Laloix: You beat someone long enough they resign themselves.
    [19:54] Paradise Tennant: well lets step back korel what do you think suffering is what causes it
    [19:54] Korel Laloix: But even if I get rid of all my desires and I get smallpox, I am going to suffer.
    [19:55] Paradise Tennant: lol you would have lost your desire to not have small pox and it won't be the same :)
    [19:55] Korel Laloix: But I do agree with it to a point.. if we were not all so self sentered pleasure seakers, there would be much less suffering in the world.
    [19:55] Rosatta Resident: It is my understanding that the Buddhist definition of suffering is better translated as that constant feeling of disatisfation that humans can never seem to escape even when weathy and healthy
    [19:55] Paradise Tennant: you would have one taste
    [19:56] Korel Laloix: If I rid myself of my desire to be healthy, I would still suffer if I got smallpox.
    [19:57] Korel Laloix: maybe a definitions thing again.
    [19:57] Korel Laloix: one of the worst parts about my former job was being around a lot of very rich people on a regular basis.
    [19:57] Korel Laloix: And a lot of them were very very misserable.
    [19:57] Paradise Tennant: lol
    [19:57] Paradise Tennant: I know what you mean :)
    [19:57] Korel Laloix: And just not nice to be around.
    [19:58] Paradise Tennant: they are cut off from reality
    [19:58] Korel Laloix: Some where great though.
    [19:58] Korel Laloix: We had one rap artist that was so misserable and trapped he once told me he hoped he would get TuPaked.
    [19:58] Korel Laloix: Sad but true.
    [19:58] Korel Laloix: wow lag
    [19:58] Paradise Tennant: what is tupaled
    [19:58] Paradise Tennant: tuPaked
    [19:59] Korel Laloix: A rap artist that was murdered.
    [19:59] Korel Laloix: Tu Pak Shakar or something like that.
    [19:59] Geo Netizen: Hmmm … sorry … seem to have derailed the conversation :(
    [20:00] Korel Laloix: I think it is relevent.
    [20:00] stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac_Shakur
    [20:02] Rosatta Resident: Korel, do you have ptsd, by any chance?
    [20:03] Korel Laloix: I was diagnosed with that a while back, yes. Why?

    [20:03] Rosatta Resident: I have a form of ptsd and many of the things you are saying, and your thoughts are very familiar
    [20:03] Rosatta Resident: I am sorry if i was being invasive or rude
    [20:04] Korel Laloix: I have stated several times in here that I have issues... smiles
    [20:04] Rosatta Resident: Not sure how to respond to that
    [20:05] Korel Laloix: Just accept it... smiles

    [20:05] Paradise Tennant: lol everyone who breathes and maybe some who don't have issues :)
    [20:05] Geo Netizen: I believe that we all bring our “issues” here in one form or another.
    [20:05] Paradise Tennant: lol
    [20:05] Paradise Tennant: yep like little balls and chains ...

    [20:06] Paradise Tennant: until we deeply accept them? then they pfffft I suspect
    [20:06] Korel Laloix: I refuse to just accept my issues, I want to fix them.

    [20:07] stevenaia Michinaga: yawn, my issue is sleep
    [20:07] Geo Netizen: I too would like to be perfect. :)

    [20:07] stevenaia Michinaga: thank you for an interesting conversation
    [20:07] Paradise Tennant: nite nite stev :)) sweet dreams
    [20:07] Geo Netizen bows to Stevenaia
    [20:07] Rosatta Resident: Good night, Stevenaia
    [20:07] Korel Laloix: Ciao
    [20:08] Paradise Tennant: smiles ... I'm getting sleepy too . thank you all for a really talk ..will keep thinking as I go walk the dog under a big pizza pie moon..
    [20:09] Paradise Tennant: *good
    [20:09] Geo Netizen bows to Paradise
    [20:09] Paradise Tennant: smiles
    [20:09] Rosatta Resident: Are you the guardian for this session, Paradise?
    [20:09] Paradise Tennant: yep :))
    [20:09] Rosatta Resident: Ok. I am going to go, too
    [20:09] Geo Netizen bows to Rosatta
    [20:09] Paradise Tennant: namaste my friends sweet dreams :)
    [20:10] Korel Laloix: Ciao bella
    [20:10] Geo Netizen: Peace and blessings Korel
    [20:10] Korel Laloix smiles
    [20:10] Korel Laloix: Good to see you.
    [20:11] Geo Netizen: It is good to be with you Korel
    [20:11] Korel Laloix: brb.. phone
    [20:11] Geo Netizen nods
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    [20:14] Geo Netizen bows to Blackheart
    [20:16] Geo Netizen bows deeply
    [20:16] Geo Netizen: Buonanotte bella

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