2014.05.18 07:00 - PaB Post-Pema

The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.

Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Bleu Oleander: hey Lila :)
Lila Darkmatter: wow Bleu, hello :)
Bleu Oleander: a diff look for today :)
Lila Darkmatter: quite different, love it
Bleu Oleander: alpha.tribe ... love their stuff!!
Lila Darkmatter: ah, was curious how you managed the brushed copper
Bleu Oleander: hehe

Bleu Oleander: what happened to PaB?

Bleu Oleander: seems everyone has gone to text only
Lila Darkmatter: maybe... for me I needed to step back for a few weeks and attend to RL stuffs
Lila Darkmatter: so text is another way of staying connected
Bleu Oleander: seems most have I think
Bleu Oleander: not as present and immediate

Lila Darkmatter: At this point, unless several of us make a conscious decision to nurture PaB-SL, I'm not sure we won't dwindle away entirely

Bleu Oleander: seems to be headed that way
Lila Darkmatter: it does
Lila Darkmatter: I'm looking forward to the SL retreat though, and have been enjoying the 33 Days project
Lila Darkmatter: I think with few new people coming, there is a kind of stagnation
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: I think i'll stop hosting as well
Bleu Oleander: seems no ones comes much anymore
Lila Darkmatter: ah... sorry to hear... you were my Sunday morning church, like Adams before you :)
Lila Darkmatter: but understandable.... I wonder what new format for sessions we could try... something not so fixed
Bleu Oleander: yes, perhaps we can meet at my beach house ... if you see me on you can come visit?
Bleu Oleander: perhaps the location is getting stale
Lila Darkmatter: would be nice... I find myself on spontaneously so little these days
Bleu Oleander: or email me and we can meet
Lila Darkmatter: and I tell myself I "should" but there is always something tugging at my heels unless I set aside the time
Bleu Oleander: I come in to look at art installations
Bleu Oleander: thats it though
Bleu Oleander: hey Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Hello! ♥
Lila Darkmatter: Hi Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't realise the time

Lila Darkmatter: I'd like to find some way to acknowledge the dwindling and even passing, of this form of PaB, if that is what is happening

Bleu Oleander: time stands still in sl :)
Lila Darkmatter: something appreciative and celebratory
Bleu Oleander: yes me too
Bleu Oleander: I like clean breaks and acknowledging transitions
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't want to leave you alone two weeks running Bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: we're talking about PaB Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Yes I gathered :p
Bleu Oleander: :) Aggers
Lila Darkmatter: conscious transition, nods
Lila Darkmatter: you took beautiful photos of the NY trip, Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Ah transition, yes
Bleu Oleander: oh ty!
Bleu Oleander: it was a great trip!
Lila Darkmatter: hard to do with landmarks that have been photographed millions of times
Agatha Macbeth: Yes they did look good
Arisia Vita: 's current display-name is "Ari".
Arisia Vita: greetings my friends
Bleu Oleander: hiya Ari
Agatha Macbeth: As does what you are wea\ring ;)
Lila Darkmatter: Hi Ari :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Ari
Bleu Oleander: ty! alpha.tribe :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
Agatha Macbeth: I think Wol goes there

Bleu Oleander: btw ... i'm taking a mind blowing class on coursera
Bleu Oleander: "understanding the brain"
Agatha Macbeth: They do courses on mind blowing?
Bleu Oleander: haha
Bleu Oleander: really amazing
Agatha Macbeth: Actually doesn't surprise me
Agatha Macbeth: 'Blowing out the brains'
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: her lab videos are great
Lila Darkmatter: thanks for the tip
Bleu Oleander: https://class.coursera.org/neurobio-...ourse_Overview
Lila Darkmatter: what is mind blowing about it? new info or presented newly?
Bleu Oleander: both for me
Bleu Oleander: the physicality of presentation is amazing
Lila Darkmatter: nice
Bleu Oleander: just watch the lab videos
Bleu Oleander: it really seems like a more advanced class but presented really well so a novice can understand it
Bleu Oleander: also taking one on "the brain and space"
Bleu Oleander: taken together its quite a picture of what we know
Lila Darkmatter: "this is your brain on space"
Bleu Oleander: yes!

Agatha Macbeth: There's certainly a lot of space in my brain
Lila Darkmatter smiles
Bleu Oleander: lol
Lila Darkmatter: also coursera?
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: https://class.coursera.org/brainspac.../wiki/syllabus
Lila Darkmatter: ty
Bleu Oleander: yw!
Lila Darkmatter: I found it a little helpful to pause "learning" for a few weeks. I didn't give it up completely but loosened my usual pace... think I needed processing time
Bleu Oleander: yes
Lila Darkmatter: I think I get addicted to feeling overloaded in some way
Agatha Macbeth: Let the CPU cool down
Lila Darkmatter: yes :)
Bleu Oleander: exactly
Bleu Oleander: hard to do for me though ... as we're in the biz of learning :)
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Arisia Vita: I like to take a walk in a forest park near me when I feel that way.
Bleu Oleander: yes, nice
Lila Darkmatter: "forest bathing" Eos called it, in the 99 Days thread
Lila Darkmatter: a Japanese term
Agatha Macbeth: Interesting Ari - i walk a lot when I'm thinking too
Bleu Oleander: for me beaches work better :)
Arisia Vita: not too many beaches near Tennessee :)
Bleu Oleander: or AZ lol
Arisia Vita: lots of forest though
Lila Darkmatter: not so close to forests here, but some nature trails and a wonderful park side ocean vitacourse
Lila Darkmatter: just have to go early so I don't fry ^.^
Bleu Oleander: yes in that mode here now too!
Agatha Macbeth: I have to stay out of the sun :p
Bleu Oleander: I came across an interesting set of lectures ...
Bleu Oleander: http://www.youtube.com/user/YaleUniv...Philip+Kitcher
Lila Darkmatter listens
Arisia Vita: there is a nice youtube of the area I like to hike, enjoy it later if you wish...
Arisia Vita: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00xk_SrrHh0
Bleu Oleander: talks about transcendence
Bleu Oleander: clicking
Lila Darkmatter: ah
Arisia Vita: with background music, John Denver, Boy From The Country :)
Arisia Vita: which suits me well
Agatha Macbeth: John denver wow
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Bleu Oleander: thanks Ari ... will watch later :)
Arisia Vita: hope you enjoy it
Agatha Macbeth: I'm sure we will
Lila Darkmatter: remembering the quote about the wonders of the world waiting for our senses to grow sharper
Arisia Vita: when I walk, I imagine having friends like each of you along...
Bleu Oleander: how nice
Agatha Macbeth: I'm sure we make excellent company ;-)
Arisia Vita: you do indeed
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Lila Darkmatter: have any of you heard of the phrase "animistic empathy?"
Bleu Oleander: no ...
Arisia Vita: and the rocky areas where footing can be tricky make good excuses for holding hands :)
Agatha Macbeth: Don't think so, but sounds good
Lila Darkmatter: :)
--BELL--
Arisia Vita: shy guys need all the excuses we can get
Bleu Oleander: sounds familiar though
Lila Darkmatter: it struck as such a familiar term, but when I searched, there wasn't much...
Agatha Macbeth: Is that kind of soul touching Lil?
Lila Darkmatter: soul touching...hm... another nice phrase
Agatha Macbeth: Well that's how I'd interpret it
Lila Darkmatter: maybe... the teacher/poet was sharing about types of imagination... aesthetic, ethical...
Lila Darkmatter: and his own journey with experiences of art
Bleu Oleander: related to animism?
Lila Darkmatter: and transcendence
Lila Darkmatter: of subject/object
Lila Darkmatter: "intimacy with all things"
Bleu Oleander: the belief that natural objects, natural phenomena, and the universe itself possess souls?
Lila Darkmatter: well, I haven't made the connection exactly, but the phrase keeps rolling around
Lila Darkmatter: I would imagine that he used that term to connect with other ideas like kami, dralas, etc
Lila Darkmatter: so yes it makes sense
Agatha Macbeth: Ah kami
Lila Darkmatter: life of things
Lila Darkmatter: the sense that I had was that of flow experiences
Lila Darkmatter: where object is no longer being looked 'at' but there is the sense of an open mutual enjoyment
Agatha Macbeth ponders being enjoyed by a work of art
Bleu Oleander: :)
Lila Darkmatter: exactly!
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Bleu Oleander: but does a work of art have a mind?
Agatha Macbeth: It's certainly a thought provoking concept
Agatha Macbeth: Hi E
Lila Darkmatter: there is something different about a work of 'art' at times... something of the artist that seems to have been imparted there
Bleu Oleander: its a perception of your own mind I think
Arisia Vita: welcome Eos
Lila Darkmatter: Hi Eos :)
Bleu Oleander: hey Eos
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Ari, Bleu, Lila, Aga
Bleu Oleander: a crowd today :)
Lila Darkmatter: just as you were saying no one was coming anymore :P
Agatha Macbeth: We all came to keep you company
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Bleu Oleander: lol :P
Eos Amaterasu: I just came to confirm that
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Bleu Oleander: ha! ok so there are some still here :P
Lila Darkmatter smiles
Lila Darkmatter: new group "the hanger oners"
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh we're still around it seems
Eos Amaterasu: you keep me hanging on....
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Bleu Oleander: its still a valid way to keep conversation going I think
Agatha Macbeth: Agree with that
Arisia Vita: hanging on....another good excuse for holding hands... :)
Arisia Vita: ty
Lila Darkmatter: yes... but, undeniably there is less footing
Bleu Oleander: fuller sense then just emails for me
Arisia Vita: wish there was a pose here where we all held hands in the circle
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't Mira have something like that?
Arisia Vita: perhaps...
Bleu Oleander: so back to PaB ... is it worth continuing in some way?
Agatha Macbeth: I seem to remember
Arisia Vita: what? worth continuing? are we considering ending it?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes, sorry I interrupted
Lila Darkmatter: she has a group hug, Aggers, but sometimes not so much fun with naked sweaty avies after dancing, lollol
Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
Lila Darkmatter giggles
Bleu Oleander: well, maybe not ending but transitioning to something else?
Arisia Vita: oh the winds of change....
Bleu Oleander: seems a waste to be paying for all this virtual space if no one is using it?
Lila Darkmatter: we've been asking the question for a while, Ari, and I think we should be really honest about it
Agatha Macbeth: Are we back to caterpillars and butterflies again? :p
Arisia Vita: it is a valid question
Arisia Vita: and I approve of honesty
Lila Darkmatter: that there are few active sessions... and few hosts... and some I think have just stopped hosting without saying so...
Lila Darkmatter: because I'm posting many logs
Bleu Oleander: yes, I didn't want to do that
Lila Darkmatter: thank you Bleu
Arisia Vita: perhaps reduce the # of sessions?
Arisia Vita: which are the most popular times?
Lila Darkmatter: the round world issue makes it hard to choose
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: once a week seems good for me
Bleu Oleander: so maybe a diff time each day
Arisia Vita: good idea Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Every time we talk about reducing sessions no action ever seems to happen...
Lila Darkmatter: that's not a bad idea at all
Lila Darkmatter: but Aggers is right :)
Eos Amaterasu: maybe step back, rest and don't anticipate, and then follow the best energy that comes up
Eos Amaterasu: let do a 90 second rest, and then offer first thoughts
Agatha Macbeth: But at the moment they seem to be reducing themselves :p
Bleu Oleander: yes
Arisia Vita: each day at a time suitable for a different part of the world?
Lila Darkmatter: ok
--BELL--
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ding!
Bleu Oleander: :)
Lila Darkmatter: what flashed to mind for me, was Kira... not a fully formed idea, maybe just a feeling of focus
Eos Amaterasu: can u say more about that?
Lila Darkmatter: the meetings at Kira felt to balance the meetings at PaB for me - the structure made the play more playful
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe PaB is a microcosm of SL as a whole and simply reflecting its current trend?
Lila Darkmatter: that's part of it for sure, Aggers
Arisia Vita: what is the current trend?
Agatha Macbeth: What I think of as consolidation
Agatha Macbeth: So many empty sims, even around us here
Eos Amaterasu: I find I appreciate this SL PaB spot as a place to come (back) to, to touch in with PaBers and Pab
Lila Darkmatter: "waiting for the next thing" and "do we jump ship or not" trends?
Bleu Oleander: just when virtual experience is about to take off in a big way from what I hear
Agatha Macbeth: I agree with that E
Arisia Vita: I agree Eos
Lila Darkmatter: it is, Eos, undoubtedly
Arisia Vita: :)
Lila Darkmatter: and when here with you all I 'forget' the dwindling
Bleu Oleander: yes!
Arisia Vita: and I also agree with Bleu, it is about to take off
Bleu Oleander: for me its about being with friends
Eos Amaterasu: I'm very attracted to the notion of SL PaB entering into RL, and vice versa
Agatha Macbeth: Absolutely
Lila Darkmatter: yes
Eos Amaterasu: and also find good things like the 33 days exercise
Bleu Oleander: rl gets expensive and difficult to bring everyone together on a regular basis
Agatha Macbeth nods
Bleu Oleander: although we do have a group that gets together regularly in rl but we all live in the same area
Agatha Macbeth: Yes that helps :p
Bleu Oleander: sl was a way to collapse the distance
Eos Amaterasu: I think of SL retreats as being one way to mix SL and RL
Lila Darkmatter: I have hoped that occulus rift, and people in SL playing and creating with that, might bring a bit of energy.. stir up what has fallen dormant
Arisia Vita: I'm with you Lila
Arisia Vita: and with HighFidelity on the horizon...hope rises
Agatha Macbeth: Lila as Being ;)
Bleu Oleander: yes, we've had many presentations on what's coming
Lila Darkmatter: looking forward to SL retreating, Eos :))
Lila Darkmatter: I'm not sure I can even partake in what is coming to fullest extent, but the energy has an impact all over
Lila Darkmatter: Bleu and I were mentioning that one thing that is missing, is new visitors, and has been for a while... I think that is more about SL on the whole
Bleu Oleander: some have expressed concern over how good it will be for some ... as in "where did everybody go?" lol
Lila Darkmatter: lol
Agatha Macbeth: I always think the ones who are here are the ones who are meant to be here
Bleu Oleander: already we've noticed a "retreat" to home theaters
Bleu Oleander: nice Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Lila Darkmatter: Eos what are you hearing from techie friends?
Agatha Macbeth: (Maybe they are keeping quiet)
Eos Amaterasu: I think creating a post-NSA civilization in the newly open internet world is the challenge :-)
Lila Darkmatter grins at Aggers
Bleu Oleander: so added quality virtual reality to home theaters ... voila no folks on the streets anymore :)
Eos Amaterasu: just like chickens
Agatha Macbeth: I read that as post-NASA civilisation
Eos Amaterasu: also
Agatha Macbeth: :p
Lila Darkmatter: haha...sorry to be discursive but read that recent salmonella came from people kissing their domestic chickens...
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: lol kissing chickens
Agatha Macbeth: Hope Luci doesn't have it!
Lila Darkmatter: yeah I thought of Luci ^.^
Lila Darkmatter: funny thought too : maybe soon we'll take to the streets for privacy
Bleu Oleander: yes
Arisia Vita: yes, as in the movie "Her" :)

Bleu Oleander: so where does that leave us? and PaB?
Lila Darkmatter: good question Bleu - we choose, I think
Bleu Oleander: shall we call a meeting of all minds?
Eos Amaterasu: maybe rather than having lots of slots that we try to fill, just create and list full slots
Lila Darkmatter: how so Eos?
Lila Darkmatter: and yes to minds meeting :))
Lila Darkmatter: with a clear objective though...
Agatha Macbeth: Don't think there's any point in trying to reduce sessions, would be too difficult to accomodate everyone
Eos Amaterasu: rather than having 4 x 7 slots, only list as many slots as people actually commit to attending
Bleu Oleander: yes ... points to Lila to write that hehe
Eos Amaterasu: so there's some ongoing presence here
Lila Darkmatter smiles...
Lila Darkmatter: ah, that's the thing : commitment
Lila Darkmatter: it is a kind of gift and signal to others
Bleu Oleander: always "the thing"
Lila Darkmatter: we really are in this together
Lila Darkmatter: or not
Bleu Oleander: some of us anyway :)
Agatha Macbeth: Riding the train
Eos Amaterasu: The Pema train has left
Eos Amaterasu: this is post Pema
Bleu Oleander: the post Pema era
Arisia Vita: evolution at work....
Agatha Macbeth: 'There's no one driving' :p
Lila Darkmatter: :) there was a lot of pleasure in the wide availability of sessions and opportunities for spontaneous engagement... hard to part with that but maybe wise
Bleu Oleander: well just looking at the logs tells a story
Lila Darkmatter: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Yes hardly a log jam
Bleu Oleander: I would still enjoy a conversation once a week ... anymore seems hard for me these days
Lila Darkmatter: that seems right to me too... maybe twice...
Arisia Vita: I agree
Bleu Oleander: maybe twice :)
Lila Darkmatter: I don't have the same desire to 'lead' sessions I once had
Eos Amaterasu: Sunday morning church of PaB?
Lila Darkmatter smiles
Lila Darkmatter: ritual for me!
Bleu Oleander: yes for me also
Lila Darkmatter: hmmm.... maybe I should have planned a guardians session for today
Lila Darkmatter: next week is retreat so not sure if practical to approach
Agatha Macbeth: We planned one for last week! ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: (oops)
Lila Darkmatter: :) best laid plans...
Bleu Oleander: do you think we should keep taking up all this virtual real estate if not being used so much?
Lila Darkmatter: layed?
Arisia Vita: don't many live here?
Lila Darkmatter: not too many
Bleu Oleander: I don't run into anyone here anymore
Lila Darkmatter: I think Aph and Bruce live in their houses :)
Lila Darkmatter: and Sun's treehouse
Lila Darkmatter: San*
Agatha Macbeth: Aph and bruce live in San's tree house?
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Lila Darkmatter: :P
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Agatha Macbeth: Hope they're happy
Lila Darkmatter: I'm not sure about the space issue... miss the energy of people playing in it
Bleu Oleander: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Cal's space is still used by the OF group
Lila Darkmatter: ah, yes true
Lila Darkmatter: and Storm said he was doing things for Kira Japan...
Lila Darkmatter: haven't looked at that space
Bleu Oleander: well perhaps we should have a guardian mtg to discuss all these ideas? maybe after the retreat?
Arisia Vita: yes Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe Storm could poll people do a head count of active users?
Lila Darkmatter: yes, okay
Lila Darkmatter: leave the jury out for now?
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Think the jury are on retreat
Lila Darkmatter: heheh
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: a "what would PaB post Pema look like?" meeting
Agatha Macbeth: Good idea that
Lila Darkmatter: a real bottom line for sure
Arisia Vita: make sure all the members know the topic
Bleu Oleander: and come prepared with their ideas
Arisia Vita: yes
Bleu Oleander: perhaps could even be collected ahead of time ... via emails or on a wiki page?
Lila Darkmatter: "What if anything are you willing to give or let go o?"
Agatha Macbeth: Or perhaps extend the Wenesday 'day off' to more days? Consolidation?
Lila Darkmatter: of*
Agatha Macbeth: Putting less in a smaller space
Bleu Oleander: or who wants to host and when?
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Bleu Oleander: driven by those who will commit
Lila Darkmatter: OK so a questionairre seems a good idea
Agatha Macbeth: Actually I don't see the village plots as a real issue
Bleu Oleander: only an issue paying for space
Lila Darkmatter: I think it is more the feeling of potential dormant
Agatha Macbeth: Doesn't Kira do that?
Bleu Oleander: probably expensive to pay for all this
Lila Darkmatter: and yes.. estimating whether it is a worthy expenditure
Lila Darkmatter: Maxine and Pema only at this point, Agatha
Lila Darkmatter: aside from Storm's land that he donated
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe worth sounding them out about it then
Bleu Oleander: yes I think so
Lila Darkmatter: a happy note: really glad to have Storm and Maxing both participating in 33 Days
Bleu Oleander: :)
Lila Darkmatter: feels like a shared reading room at times
Lila Darkmatter: evening tea
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Bleu Oleander: well I need to go soon
Arisia Vita: It's been great being with you all but rl calls, do keep me in the loop
Agatha Macbeth: Doggie time?
Bleu Oleander: but like some of the ideas we've brought up
Arisia Vita: be well and happy
Eos Amaterasu: Ciao and thankx, all
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Ari dear
Bleu Oleander: so I hope we'll continue
Lila Darkmatter: me too... can I include you all in emails about forming the questionnaire?
Agatha Macbeth: TC E
Arisia Vita: see you all again soon
Bleu Oleander: yes sure
Lila Darkmatter: bye for now friends
Agatha Macbeth: Sure
Arisia Vita: bye for a bit
Bleu Oleander: bye all
Bleu Oleander: thanks for coming
Agatha Macbeth waves
Lila Darkmatter: thanks for BEING HERE Blue!
Lila Darkmatter: Bleu*
Lila Darkmatter: and everyone ((( )))
Agatha Macbeth: Blue Bleu
Bleu Oleander: ok its still fun for me
Lila Darkmatter: that's what matters
Bleu Oleander: hugs
Agatha Macbeth: *hurgs*