2014.05.18 13:00 - A Sermon on Subtlety

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

     

    Bruce Mowbray: 's current display-name is "Bruce".
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Brucie
    Agatha Macbeth: and Blub
    Agatha Macbeth: Just reading the wiki
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, aggers.
    Bruce Mowbray: np.
    Bruce Mowbray: please continue.
    Agatha Macbeth: Is it me or has Aph posted the same session twice?
    Bruce Mowbray: Blubbie and I have just come to rest, really.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh great
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't know, I haven't read it - or them.
    Agatha Macbeth: This is the place :p
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, resting is good.
    Agatha Macbeth: I'm hardly in an energetic mood myself
    Bruce Mowbray: for me, this is the end of the week from hell.
    Bruce Mowbray: . I'm so glad to have it over.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh?
    Bruce Mowbray: . Yes, I was in Chicago all week with a fundamentalist vegan....
    Agatha Macbeth: Anything you wish to talk about?
    Bruce Mowbray: not to mention all the problems I brought along with me of my own making.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ahh
    Agatha Macbeth: OMG
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahh!
    Agatha Macbeth: I pity you
    Agatha Macbeth: Vegetarians are bad enough
    Bruce Mowbray: . No meat, no sweeteners, no oils, nothing stored in plastic, . . . and welcome to Chicago's restaurants!
    Bruce Mowbray: !
    Agatha Macbeth: Must have been wonderful
    Agatha Macbeth: Are they allowed to eat plants?
    Bruce Mowbray: . It's always an adventure for me to deal with the fundamentalist mind set.
    Agatha Macbeth: Too true
    Agatha Macbeth: I have a distinct aversion to fanatics
    Bruce Mowbray: . He did allow himself to eat plants, and, fortunately, he made no attempts to control what I ate.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, not so bad then
    Bruce Mowbray: this fellow has OCD.... to the max.
    Bruce Mowbray: obsessive-compulsive disorder.
    Agatha Macbeth: OCD?
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Bruce Mowbray: a compensation for a life of failures, I'm afraid.
    Agatha Macbeth: I can be obsessive about certain things myself
    Bruce Mowbray: at least he can now control what goes into his body.
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Bruce Mowbray: . I suppose we all can,.
    Agatha Macbeth: I think failure is usually in the eye of the beholder
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm a bit obsessive about my typist's being a hermit.
    Bruce Mowbray: , but I allow him that,, of course.
    Agatha Macbeth: With me it's things being straight
    Bruce Mowbray: can you say more please?
    Agatha Macbeth: I.E. pictures
    Agatha Macbeth: Not people!
    Agatha Macbeth: Ha
    Bruce Mowbray: kk.
    --BELL--1315
    Bruce Mowbray: drop approaching fast.
    Agatha Macbeth: If I hang a picture on a wall I have to check it with a level to convince myself it's aligned properly
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I would ALWAYS do that!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    Bruce Mowbray: [of course!]
    Bruce Mowbray: (My typist is a Libra, so things "MUST" balance.)
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Try being a Scorpio and see how far you get :p
    Bruce Mowbray: no thanks to that one.
    Agatha Macbeth: Some have it thrust upon them
    Agatha Macbeth: As they say
    Bruce Mowbray: I understand.
    Agatha Macbeth: So you're glad to be home?
    Bruce Mowbray: the dark side of being a Libra is that one never ceases trying to balance things. . . . and that becomes a real challenge in some relationships.
    Bruce Mowbray: . I am so glad to be home!
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
    Bruce Mowbray: my typist has just returned from Quaker meeting
    Bruce Mowbray: we have only five members.
    Agatha Macbeth: Did he quake?
    Bruce Mowbray: and I learned today that one of them died last night.
    Bruce Mowbray: . She was seventy-six.
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Bruce Mowbray: , and her funeral will be on Wednesday or Thursday.
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Bruce Mowbray: . It is sad.... she was a fine woman and we will miss her.
    Agatha Macbeth: Of course
    Bruce Mowbray: bless you, Carol.
    Bruce Mowbray: , but on we go.
    Agatha Macbeth: We do yes
    Bruce Mowbray: . We lost 20% of our membership yesterday.
    Agatha Macbeth: On to where remains to be seen
    Bruce Mowbray: , now if one of us takes the big leap, , we will lose 25%.
    Bruce Mowbray: ? how long can this go on
    Agatha Macbeth: No new recruits?
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm afraid not!
    Bruce Mowbray: the average age of our membership is about seventy.
    Bruce Mowbray: Y but we do meet in theMCA!
    Bruce Mowbray: YMCA!

    (It's fun to stay there so I hear)

    Agatha Macbeth: Can you become a Quaker, or do you have to be born one?
    Bruce Mowbray: between the basketball court and a racquetball court.
    Bruce Mowbray: I was not born Quaker, nor am I a Quaker now.
    Agatha Macbeth: At least you'll all be fit
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Agatha Macbeth: Confusing
    Bruce Mowbray: we have one woman who comes only twice a month.
    Bruce Mowbray: . She is an official Quaker.
    Bruce Mowbray: . We also have a doctor who attended today, and he is also a Quaker.
    Bruce Mowbray: the rest of us (2) are not.
    Agatha Macbeth: What do you class yourself as then?
    Bruce Mowbray: IMA Taoist - Buddhist - Pantheist - no name.
    Bruce Mowbray: very subtle.
    Agatha Macbeth: Well that about covers it
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like you can't go wrong
    Bruce Mowbray: I guess I'm a Subtlist.
    Agatha Macbeth: Buona sera QT
    Bruce Mowbray: hello, QT.
    Agatha Macbeth: A Sub-what?
    Qt Core: Hi Bruce, Agatha
    Bruce Mowbray: A Subtle-ist.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah I see
    Agatha Macbeth: You follow the belief of subtlety?
    Bruce Mowbray: I do!
    Bruce Mowbray: The subtler, the better!
    Agatha Macbeth: Well you could do a lot worse I guess
    Bruce Mowbray: imagine a nice thick steak.....
    Agatha Macbeth: I often do :p
    Bruce Mowbray: now, imagine you'd like to put salt on it , and that there is a full salt container nearby.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh I can't do that
    Bruce Mowbray: you have the option of putting one grain of salt on your stake.
    Bruce Mowbray: Steak.
    Bruce Mowbray: sry.
    Agatha Macbeth: Heh
    Bruce Mowbray: or dumping the entire container on your steak,
    Bruce Mowbray: and as many variants in between, as there are grains of salt in the container.
    Bruce Mowbray: that's what I mean by subtlety.
    Agatha Macbeth: I see
    Bruce Mowbray: everything real is like that.
    Bruce Mowbray: absolutely everything.
    Agatha Macbeth: Well I'm not allowed any anyway heh
    Bruce Mowbray: . Which, of course, is what makes this the best of all possible worlds.
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Moderation in all things
    Bruce Mowbray: that too, your not being allowed to eat salt, is a demonstration of the same principle.
    Agatha Macbeth: Blame my doctor
    Bruce Mowbray: your doctor understands subtlety, , apparently.
    Bruce Mowbray: also sodium.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, and blood pressure
    Bruce Mowbray: are you following this, QT?
    Agatha Macbeth: Bet he's watching youtube :p
    Qt Core: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: maybe he'll give us a link.
    Agatha Macbeth: Seems to be a sermon on subtlety
    Qt Core: thinking that something isn't worthy to be eat without salt
    Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
    Bruce Mowbray: more and observation and a description, I hope, than a sermon.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh you do it well
    Bruce Mowbray: sermons tend not to be subtle.
    Bruce Mowbray: at least those that I've heard . . . , but it's been a long while.
    --BELL--1330
    Bruce Mowbray: no sermons for Quakers!
    Bruce Mowbray: away from keyboard for a sec.
    Agatha Macbeth: Just closing my windows
    Bruce Mowbray: np.
    Bruce Mowbray: is it chilly in London tonight?
    Qt Core: today is the first full day of open windows here, still open at 10pm
    Agatha Macbeth: No idea, but it's warm here
    Bruce Mowbray: wow, wonderful!
    Bruce Mowbray: we were only a couple of degrees above freezing last night.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, had to run the heater when I returned from Chicago after midnight.
    Agatha Macbeth: I actually haven't bothered with the electric blanket last two nights
    Bruce Mowbray: great!
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Bruce Mowbray: how are the rains over there?
    Agatha Macbeth: Not had any for a week
    Agatha Macbeth: Amazing
    Bruce Mowbray: wow ! a virtual drought!
    Qt Core: never really take hold electric blanket in italy, scared by horror stories of burning in the nsleep
    Agatha Macbeth: Next week it will probably be like winter again
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh I turn mine off before I get in
    Bruce Mowbray: we had frost warnings last night.
    Agatha Macbeth: No electric on in the house during sleep or when out (except for fridge)
    Agatha Macbeth: Just in case
    Bruce Mowbray: wow.
    Bruce Mowbray: careful.
    Agatha Macbeth: Well you only have to get it wrong once as they say
    Bruce Mowbray: , for sure.
    Qt Core: and all the electronic in stand-by, live the tv ?
    Qt Core: *like
    Bruce Mowbray wonders if his house would still work without electricity, while he slept.
    Agatha Macbeth: All off
    Qt Core: or wifi ?
    Bruce Mowbray: no Wi-Fi here.
    Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
    Agatha Macbeth: Only fridge is on, I have no choice there :p
    Bruce Mowbray: , one would have to travel 25 miles to find the nearest Wi-Fi.
    Agatha Macbeth: Starbucks?
    Qt Core: after a few monts io stopped shutting off wifi at night, i probably have to put the switch somewhere easier ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: well, you don't want all those fine steaks to go bad.
    Agatha Macbeth: Certainly not
    Agatha Macbeth: Or the chicken
    Bruce Mowbray: this week I have devoted to celebration of the carnivore.
    Bruce Mowbray: YES!
    Bruce Mowbray: , having spent last week with a fundamentalist vegan
    Agatha Macbeth wonders how Colonel Sanders is these days
    Bruce Mowbray: he still dead.
    Bruce Mowbray: YES!
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Bruce Mowbray: he's still...
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, one tends to stay that way. . . . you know, the old object at rest staying at rest routine?
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Bruce Mowbray: Mmmmm.
    Bruce Mowbray: no disrespect intended.
    Agatha Macbeth: By old object you mean me? :p
    Bruce Mowbray: , I like his chicken, , but I think it is overpriced.
    Bruce Mowbray: no, I was referring to Col Sanders.
    Agatha Macbeth: I enjoy it once in a while
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah ok
    Bruce Mowbray: nods.
    Agatha Macbeth: Is it popular in Kentucky then?
    Bruce Mowbray: the guy who accompanied my typist to Chicago, , by the way, , lives in Kentucky -- , as did the good colonel.
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Bruce Mowbray: so things Kentucky-ish still seem to be orbiting me.
    Agatha Macbeth: But he gave up the chicken evidently
    Bruce Mowbray: he did?
    Agatha Macbeth: Your friend
    Agatha Macbeth: Well if he's a vegan he must have I guess
    Bruce Mowbray: oh yes - my friend gave up all meat stuff, all oils, anything stored in plastic . . . ( need. I continue?)
    Agatha Macbeth: I hear you can get soya to taste pretty much like chicken
    Bruce Mowbray: yesterday he ate a vegan burger. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: I say, look man, , if you can go vegan go vegan.
    Bruce Mowbray: don't go fake burger.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ich bin ein Veganburger
    Bruce Mowbray: Ha ha!
    Agatha Macbeth: Makes a change from a Berliner
    Qt Core: anything stored in plastic.... that should be even harder than vegan
    Bruce Mowbray: good people -- . I need to rest my typist's mouth, so I am going to go to PP, just to set a while before Bernie's meditation.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes I'll be along myself soon
    Bruce Mowbray: . I hope that's okay (. Typical Libra!)
    Agatha Macbeth: Very subtle!
    Bruce Mowbray: so, , bye for now.
    Qt Core: bye Bruce
    Agatha Macbeth: See you shortly
    --BELL--1345
    Agatha Macbeth gets up to draw the curtains
    Agatha Macbeth: Another busy Sunday in SL QT?
    Qt Core: SL and busy never went together for me
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm, yeh right
    Agatha Macbeth: Me either if I can help it
    Agatha Macbeth: Day of rest and all that
    Qt Core: as i just use it as a glorified chatroom i have nothing asking for my attention
    Agatha Macbeth: But I usually end up doing the gardening or something
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Wish I hadn't mentioned chicken, I want some now :(
    Qt Core: as for a sunday today i made a great risotto and got some pork ribs right (i tend to make them dry)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yum
    Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if Boxy has fixed the wiki yet
    Qt Core: what happened (i'm guilty of reading my pab mailbox very rarely) ?
    Agatha Macbeth: The site's certificate expired apparently
    Agatha Macbeth: He's in the middle of renewing it
    Agatha Macbeth: Wish he would come back I miss him
    Agatha Macbeth: Anyway, think I'll head off to Bert
    Qt Core: ok, bye Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Take care QT
    Agatha Macbeth: Enjoy your ribs :)

    As it happened, Bert didn't turn up :(  Ah well...

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