Day-dreaming and creativity

The Guardian for this meeting was Darren Islar. The comments are by Darren Islar.

Darren Islar: 's current display-name is "leaping Panther".
Avaline DeCuir: 's current display-name is "Ava".
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Bleu Oleander: hiya Darren, Ava :)
Darren Islar: hey Ava!, good to see you ... good to see you too Bleu
Avaline DeCuir pokes her tongue out at Darren
Avaline DeCuir: Hey Bleu
Darren Islar: snaps it
Bleu Oleander: :)
Darren Islar: and eats it
Darren Islar looks lazily at Bleu, who looks lazy as well
Bleu Oleander: feels that way today :)
Avaline DeCuir: turn your sound off Darren it is making me want to pee
Darren Islar: I've learned laziness is wrong ... grins and keeps his sound on
Avaline DeCuir looks threateningly at Darren and then reaches for the internet plug
Darren Islar: raises his eyebrow and shrugs
Darren Islar: finally turns it of

Laziness, day-dreaming and creativity

Darren Islar: anyone having a topic for today?
Avaline DeCuir: nope
Bleu Oleander: thinking :)
Darren Islar: maybe laziness is a good one
Bleu Oleander: was thinking that
Avaline DeCuir: well laziness is diffeent from tiredness
Bleu Oleander: maybe also day dreaming
Bleu Oleander: plays a role in creativity perhaps?
Darren Islar: that's different yes ... day dreaming, good topic
Bleu Oleander: I do my best day dreaming when I'm lazy :)
Darren Islar: some sort of precreating
Bleu Oleander: allowing the mind to wander ... can be a good thing?
Avaline DeCuir: daydreaming can also be an escape
Bleu Oleander: yes
Darren Islar: when not guided by anything it might give a space to let come up what is there but can't show itself because your mind is too busy
Bleu Oleander: a mind vacation
Avaline DeCuir: but I do agree that daydreaming is a precursor to creativity
Bleu Oleander: necessary for me at least
Darren Islar: can you see the connection between your own daydreaming Bleu and results in your life?
Bleu Oleander: yes for sure
Bleu Oleander: I come up with my most creative ideas for art that way
Bleu Oleander: creative on demand doesn't work that well for me
Darren Islar: and when something spontaneously comes up you start to look at it, already creating in your mind, looking at it from all possible angles you can see?
Bleu Oleander: you?
Darren Islar: when I start building (keeping it to sl), I start with a rough concept ... but the basic creating starts the process for me
Bleu Oleander: yes I like to visualize projects first
Bleu Oleander: well there is that too
Bleu Oleander: once I get going, am inspired by the process and usually veer off my visualization
Darren Islar: is that a form of daydreaming as well?
Bleu Oleander: can be yes
Bleu Oleander: like being a child with blocks ... only now prims :)
Darren Islar: yes :)
Avaline DeCuir: yes that isa g ood analogy
Bleu Oleander: brb
Avaline DeCuir: I am often inspired by a texture ... my creations grow out of the texture itself
Darren Islar: a basic form changing in something new
Darren Islar: is it the form or our own minds creating it?
Avaline DeCuir: +i think a bit of both ... we are inspired by a base form then we create by changing the base form into something else
Bleu Oleander: sorry, making tea
Darren Islar: the form itself creates ideas in our head and by working on those concepts we make something new?
Avaline DeCuir: yes

ideas and their execution

Darren Islar: could not executing those ideas be classified as laziness?
Bleu Oleander: say more?
Darren Islar: when ideas get into your head, not once but more often and you start to get convinced that it might be worthwhile (I think that should be the first criteria), wouldn't it be laziness, maybe even an escape not to execute it? or is the idea in itself worthwhile?
Bleu Oleander: so thinking about an idea is the lazy part and executing it is the worthwhile part? I actually think its the other way round if I had to choose one over the other
Darren Islar: which means the idea is more important than it's execution
Bleu Oleander: could be
Avaline DeCuir: or perhaps both the thinking and doing are laziness if they are used to avoid doing something else that needs to be done
Darren Islar: good point Ava
Bleu Oleander: do you know the artist Sol Lewitt?
Darren Islar: sorry, no
Bleu Oleander: he sold his ideas and then the buyer had to execute them
Darren Islar: hmmm ... some might be better in ideas, some might be better in executing them ... interesting
Avaline DeCuir: definitely an interesting perspective
Avaline DeCuir: I know I am better at writing than I am at producing the base idea .. but once that spark of an idea has been lit I can write pages and pages
Bleu Oleander: he changed the relationship between an idea and the art it produces
Darren Islar: I do think you have
Darren Islar: 'thinkers' and 'do-ers'

a project in the making?

Darren Islar: maybe I should come up with the ideas for you sweet, I'm more a day-dreamer
Bleu Oleander: of course many times the thinker and the doer are one and the same
Bleu Oleander: makes a nice partnership ... a thinker with a does :)
Avaline DeCuir: maybe that would work .. but then again you might not like what I do with your idea .. it all depends on how invested you are with the idea and the direction it should take
Bleu Oleander: good point
Darren Islar: yes, that's the challenge
Bleu Oleander: and where many partnerships fall down
Avaline DeCuir: yes I agree Bleu
Bleu Oleander: there are many partnerships in the sl art community I think ... scripters partnering with designers/builders

letting go

Darren Islar: it is interesting though as an idea ... you make an idea and pass it on without any restrictions (other than given in the idea itself), the other one makes something out of it, following the lines of the basic creation and add his or her own interpretation and maybe creation to it
Bleu Oleander: very techy with visual
Darren Islar: yes I once used a programmer
Avaline DeCuir: yes sl requires so many different skills that are often not compatible enough for one person to be able to do all parts so it requires trusting partnerships
Bleu Oleander: yes
Avaline DeCuir: that is actually a very good idea love .. and something it might be worth experimenting with
Darren Islar: yes
Darren Islar: maybe we can set something up
Avaline DeCuir: yes
Bleu Oleander: you should try it
Bleu Oleander: would be interesting to see if it worked
Darren Islar: yes

sharing ideas

Darren Islar: back to the idea ... I wonder ... an idea in ones head, is that worthwhile in itself or need an idea at least be shared?
Avaline DeCuir: well I think that sometimes ideas in your head can give you personal direction .. those ideas don't need to be shared
Bleu Oleander: I've had many ideas that I haven't shared, yet I found them very worthwhile
Bleu Oleander: agree Ava
Darren Islar nods to both
Avaline DeCuir: but otherwise .. creative ideas .. they should be shared otherwise people who could benefit from the idea miss out
Bleu Oleander: so artists have a responsibility to share their ideas?
Avaline DeCuir: we don't know at the moment we have an idea or inspiration who it might benefit ... so my philosophy is put it out there somewhere and trust that those who can benefit from it will find it somehow
Darren Islar: wouldn't it be a waste when you have an idea which changed your life and which might change other lives, to not share it ... or maybe .. sharing might be harmful sometimes as well
Avaline DeCuir: you never know what someone will see in a picture, a poem, a story that will inspire them or change their lives
Darren Islar: I'm also talking about personal ideas here
Darren Islar: which give you direction
Bleu Oleander: what is a good idea for some, may not resonate with others perhaps?
Avaline DeCuir: I don't think they need to be shared unless you feel strongly that you should share them
Darren Islar: or might even resonate in a harmful way?
Avaline DeCuir: well some people have a tendency to trample all over your personal ideas because they think their own ideas are more important .. that can be painful for you .. it can even lead you to doubt your own ideas
Bleu Oleander: true
Darren Islar: (mindfully kicks the bell's ass)
Darren Islar: a forceful sharing
Bleu Oleander: :)
Darren Islar: then the idea is not harmful, but sharing is harmful for the one sharing
Avaline DeCuir: yes and those behaviours by others lead some people to hold their ideas inside rather than share them
Bleu Oleander: yes

Darren Islar: I start to find the idea of sharing an idea, then letting it go and see what somebody does with it, more and more appealing
Bleu Oleander: its fun I think!
Darren Islar: it seems their need to be some fairness in sharing ideas
Bleu Oleander: degrees of freedom need to be defined perhaps?

Darren Islar: hey Kori

Avaline DeCuir: the hard part is actually letting go of the ideas ... might be a useful way to learn to let go of attachments

Bleu Oleander: hiya Kori
Korel Laloix: Oisyo.. smiles

Bleu Oleander: yes Ava!
Darren Islar: I think it is, surely when it is an idea coming from the heart
 

Bleu Oleander: well have to go share some ideas ... take care allBleu Oleander: nice to see you :)
Darren Islar: Kori we are sharing ideas :) so to speak
Bleu Oleander: bfn
Korel Laloix: What sort?
Darren Islar: see you Bleu
Darren Islar: grins .... ideas :)
Avaline DeCuir: bye Bleu
Darren Islar: we are talking about ideas and their executions
Avaline DeCuir: Hi korel
Korel Laloix: Heya...
Korel Laloix: Lots of those right now, just figuring out how to work them.
Darren Islar: whether an idea in itself might be important without it's execution, and we have been talking about sharing an idea with someone who executes it in her own way
Darren Islar: for sl Kori?
Korel Laloix: No.. RL.. lots going oin right now.
Korel Laloix: Not been paying attention to Sl much recently.
Darren Islar: I see
Korel Laloix: It is nice to get back in SL.. it offers its own level of detachment that is nice sometimes.
Darren Islar: detachment, as in avoiding real life?
Darren Islar: getting away from it for a while?
Korel Laloix: Maybe not avoiding RL, but taking a break from.
Darren Islar: yes
Korel Laloix: Yes... a mini vacation.
Darren Islar: as in daydreaming might be and than the circle of tonight is closed :)
Darren Islar: *then
Korel Laloix: Something like that.
Darren Islar: we started of with laziness and daydreaming
Avaline DeCuir yawns and thinks about night dreaming
Darren Islar: hehe
Korel Laloix: Just in here, . you can sort of put down your guard and say and feel what you want...
Darren Islar: anonimity
Korel Laloix: Exactly
Darren Islar: it's a good topic for another night ... it's time for us to go
Korel Laloix: I have to fill some roles at work that drain me, here I can maybe more be me.. if that makes sense.
Korel Laloix: OK.. take care
Avaline DeCuir: take care Kori
Darren Islar: it does Kori
Darren Islar: see you around
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Korel Laloix: do na da go hv i