2015.05.28 13:00 - A Box to Put Dreams In

The Guardian for this dream session was Mickorod Renard, with Eliza as co-host.

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick :) Lovely to see you
Mickorod Renard: Hi Eliza
Mickorod Renard: yes likewise
Eliza Madrigal: kind of hard to claim the log these days :)
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Mickorod Renard: why is that?
Eliza Madrigal: the fountain blocks it a bit
Mickorod Renard: ahh ok
Eliza Madrigal: but it is doable

Mickorod Renard: i wonder id anyone else will come
Eliza Madrigal: What do you think... shall I send a notice or just fly by the seat of pants today?
Mickorod Renard: well..we could give it a few mins
Eliza Madrigal: yes, okay
Mickorod Renard: but Bruce may have forgotten,,and yet he is online
Eliza Madrigal: session hasn't started yet so he may just be taking time
Mickorod Renard: ok
Mickorod Renard: I know ags would have liked dreams to recomence

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: but havnt seen her
Eliza Madrigal: It usually takes a few consistent sessions in a row before people show up predictably
Mickorod Renard: ok..well I would be happy to try and keep it up

Mickorod Renard: Hi bruce
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :))
Mickorod Renard: yayyy
Eliza Madrigal: great, Mick, would like that
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Eliza. Hi, Mick.
Mickorod Renard: he he

Mickorod Renard: I made a box to put my dreams in..I will get it out
Eliza Madrigal: excellent
Eliza Madrigal: a dream box
Mickorod Renard: have a peek and see if you can access one
Eliza Madrigal: hm, no
Mickorod Renard: erk
Bruce Mowbray: me neither, Mick.
Mickorod Renard: mmm i can
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eliza Madrigal: even with tag on. So it prob has to do with permissions to group
Bruce Mowbray: I guess that's how it is with dreams, huh?
Mickorod Renard: thats odd,,i cant give you one either Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: good point
Eliza Madrigal: hard to pull up on demand
Mickorod Renard: ok,,what should i do now?
Eliza Madrigal: you can't access your own notes?
Eliza Madrigal: Maybe we should begin by deciding a general format for these sessions?
Mickorod Renard: try that
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Mickorod Renard: ok Eliza
Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara
Eliza Madrigal: ah, yes, if I click "open" it works
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Arabella!
Mickorod Renard: great
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Ara.
Eliza Madrigal: I see 3 dreams in your box
Mickorod Renard: you try bruce
Mickorod Renard: thats it

arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
Bruce Mowbray: I click on the box but nothing happens.
Mickorod Renard: I know at the end of maxine I was having probs giving dreams out
Eliza Madrigal: right click and open
Mickorod Renard: yes thats it eliza
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh! Three dreams!
Mickorod Renard: ok,, anyone able to open a dream?
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: rather than copy I just clicked
Mickorod Renard: great,,that works then
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, working fine now.
arabella Ella feels lost
Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara
arabella Ella: Hiya Mick
Bruce Mowbray: Right click on the pink box, and then open, Ara.
Mickorod Renard: see the box in front of us
Mickorod Renard: ok Liz,,whats the format do you think?
arabella Ella feeling less lost now ...
Mickorod Renard: Hi Zon
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon :)
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Zon.
arabella Ella: Hiya Zon
Zon Kwan: hello everyone
Eliza Madrigal: This is the first session to reboot a dreams session, so we haven't yet settled on a format, but, Mick has made a box of dreams
Mickorod Renard: Zon, you can right click this box and find dreams in there
Zon Kwan: ok

Bruce Mowbray reading amazing cyborg dream....
Eliza Madrigal: Okay, I'll read that one too :)
Mickorod Renard: yes, until I get up to speed the dreams are a little plain at the mom
Mickorod Renard: this is one dream each night this week
Eliza Madrigal: Is it okay if I post the dreams when posting the log, or do we still want to keep things somewhat confidential?
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nice, so you remember often
Bruce Mowbray: Wow. You continue to amaze, Mick.
Mickorod Renard: mmm not sure there Eliza
Mickorod Renard: yes, the better dreams I have had are deep in the concious and dificult to access presently
Eliza Madrigal: for today I'll leave the dreams out
Mickorod Renard: ok

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Has everyone been able to read the cyborg dream?
Bruce Mowbray: FOUR dreams in box now.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, but I am rereading it now.
Eliza Madrigal still sees 3
Mickorod Renard: I just put the last dream from the maxines session..so there is an end and beginning
Eliza Madrigal sits on hands and lets Mick be host lol
Mickorod Renard: well, I am happy to submit dreams but I cannot say I will have them every week
Mickorod Renard: and anyway,,we all can give dreams
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Eliza Madrigal: Ideally those who participate will bring other dreams and make commentaries/associations
Mickorod Renard: Bruce and Eliza have both given wonderful dreams
Mickorod Renard: yes super
Eliza Madrigal: sharing them helps to keep the practice alive

Mickorod Renard: I dont know if Zon or Ara have dreams they recall?
Mickorod Renard: recalling and then writing them up is the hardest
Eliza Madrigal: Mick maybe you could tell us why you like dream practice so much, what you gain from doing this, etc?
Zon Kwan: i dont usually remember my dreams
Bruce Mowbray: I'm fascinated by some of the themes in your cyborg dream, Mick.
arabella Ella: I dream a lot and know I had some very vivid dreams last night but they are all forgotten
Mickorod Renard: I am not so sure I enjoy the practice
Mickorod Renard: he he
Mickorod Renard: I find dreams facinating
Mickorod Renard: but there is a danger I think
Mickorod Renard: that if you get into recalling too much the barrier between real life and dreams becomes less concrete
Zon Kwan: should it be concrete?

Mickorod Renard: my memory is full of a mix of dreams and rl
Bruce Mowbray nods, me too.
Mickorod Renard: how say Bruce?
Eliza Madrigal: more active than intaking various media
Zon Kwan: some say thinking is dreaming awake
Bruce Mowbray: Well, in the cyborg dream, for example,
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Bruce Mowbray: you're an 'outsider' and you experience a form of inadequacy -- actually a few forms of that.
Bruce Mowbray: and those are themes common to my own dreams as well.
Mickorod Renard: yes, I am of the opinion that is a function of dreams
Mickorod Renard: one anyway
Bruce Mowbray: I frequently show up to teach a class totally unprepared.... (or to give a speech, etc.)
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Mickorod Renard: he he ..always a touch of stage fright
Eliza Madrigal: which is 'funny' because I'm sure most would see you as a 'prepared' person, Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: Is that true of you also Mick?
Bruce Mowbray: Well, I feel that I actually over-compensate for this in RL, maybe because of my dream-fears.
Bruce Mowbray: I demand of myself that I be overly-prepared, as it were.
Mickorod Renard: well, I am in my own way
Bruce Mowbray: (in RL, I mean.)
Bruce Mowbray: I've also been dreaming about robots lately, Mick.
Mickorod Renard: I can relate there too Bruce..maybe it is the fear of being ill prepared that makes me prepare
Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: nods, agrees.
Bruce Mowbray: probably watching too many robot movies lately, for me, I mean.
Eliza Madrigal: makes sense, re anxiety about being prepared being a driving force
Bruce Mowbray: i watched "I, Robot" last night.
arabella Ella: cool
Bruce Mowbray: LOUSY movie - except for the special effects.
Mickorod Renard: ahh good film
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Mickorod Renard: grin,,I liked the plot
Mickorod Renard: at the time it was sort of ahead
Bruce Mowbray: as robot movies go, I enjoyed EX MACHINA, and HER the most.

Bruce Mowbray: but I'm wondering what having robots in our dreams might suggest...
Bruce Mowbray: especially when they are in control, as in your dream today.
Mickorod Renard: perhaps they are that element that cannot be negotiated with
Eliza Madrigal: they are in the shadow - an unknown 'maybe'

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: hm, nods
Bruce Mowbray suspects that I am unconsciously fearful of machinery.... especially machines that are more capable than I am.
Mickorod Renard: I had that wierder robot one a while back,,I called it an alien I think
Bruce Mowbray listens for more.
Mickorod Renard: I love machinery
Mickorod Renard: the alien one was something that followed around,,in the shadows,,to keep a continuem going
Zon Kwan: must run, bye everyone
Bruce Mowbray: bye, Zon.
Eliza Madrigal: ntsy Zon
Eliza Madrigal: maybe they occupy some kind of place like a god would, some idea that they might be picking up where humans leave off
Mickorod Renard: bye zon
arabella Ella: bye Zon
Eliza Madrigal: we're surrounded by animals, that we see as 'earlier' than we ourselves in terms of consciousness but AI are the 'next thing' perhaps
Mickorod Renard: it is odd though..dreaams can show your anxieties...bat also perhaps what you long for,,like love

Mickorod Renard: I do think..in my subconcious,,that society is moving away from personal interfacing ,,which bothers me
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: so much to fascinate us but less intimacy?
Mickorod Renard: yes, for sure
Mickorod Renard: and yet..just in the garden there is so much..and one person is so complex
Mickorod Renard: have we as a speicies become lost or shallow?
Eliza Madrigal: skinship is necessary for humans, but perhaps not cyborgs going forward
Bruce Mowbray: I guess I either want quality in my personal interfacing (RL) or I'd rather not interface at all , except through the Internet.
Bruce Mowbray: and briefly - at grocery store or an occasional meeting.
arabella Ella: do you think relatonshps have become more superficial then?
Eliza Madrigal: it sort of scares me that we can phase out relationships that don't amuse us enough or are inconvenient

Bruce Mowbray: as for myself, relationships are deeper.... or not at all.
Mickorod Renard: well, I can say the same Bruce.. I like to find kindred spirits,,
Bruce Mowbray: nods.
Mickorod Renard: thats why I like to see you guys
Bruce Mowbray: and I find those spirits in all the unsuspected places.. haha.
Mickorod Renard: yes, he he
Eliza Madrigal: :) I try to bring what I learn here, into RL, with unlikely connections
Bruce Mowbray: when they are least expected.
Eliza Madrigal: not so easy sometimes
arabella Ella nods
Bruce Mowbray: agrees with Eliza.

Bruce Mowbray: (I noticed that Eliza watched the movie "Night Train to Lisbon" -- yesterday, I think it was.
Eliza Madrigal: really liked it Bruce , though missing lots of the book's richness
arabella Ella: i loved that movie and the book too!
Eliza Madrigal: love Jeremy Irons
Mickorod Renard: yes, i looked to find it myself after reading abbout eliza's like
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I agree about the richness -- but an excellent movie nonetheless.
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: nice pace
Eliza Madrigal: feeling
Bruce Mowbray: great acting in the movie, too.
arabella Ella: yes
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: immersive
Bruce Mowbray: nods.
Bruce Mowbray: very introspective.
Mickorod Renard: I love those sorts of movies

arabella Ella: could we get back to M's dream as I would like to hear more about what he felt during the dream when he heard about the cyborg - was it danger, curiousity or what?
Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
arabella Ella: did you feel the cyborg was a huge threat to yourself too?
Mickorod Renard: well. all the three dreams I had this week didnt seem to convey much interest to me
Mickorod Renard: I didnt feel too threatened by it, I didnt feel I needed to confront it..I think it may have been an example of compliance
Eliza Madrigal: processing dream?
Mickorod Renard: the school system

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: there seems to be a base level of dream function that is about synthesizing our RLs
Mickorod Renard: the dream I put in the box in the end was one from a previous period,,much deeper for me...yes, thats exactly what I was getting at
Eliza Madrigal: hm, I still only see 3
Mickorod Renard: some dreams are regular dealing with life ones,,others profound
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Bruce Mowbray: Are you referring to the tiger dream, Mick?
Eliza Madrigal: it feels to me if I can stay 'in' a dream longer it will inevitably turn to insight
Eliza Madrigal: parallel to meditation
arabella Ella: yes
Mickorod Renard: no, it was the magd bain

Tiger

arabella Ella: how did you feel about the tiger in the tiger dream Mick?
Mickorod Renard: bruce
Bruce Mowbray: kk, I remember that one from Maxine's
arabella Ella: scared?
Mickorod Renard: the tiger one was sad
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Eliza Madrigal reads tiger...
arabella Ella: sad because of the parting?
arabella Ella: or another reason?
Mickorod Renard: I think it indicates a reaching out but obstructed and then an abandonment
Eliza Madrigal: ooo can feel this one so much more vividly
arabella Ella: maybe a reaching out to an exotic country - then obstructed - then abandoned?
Eliza Madrigal: tiger energy
Bruce Mowbray: mischievous tiger....
Eliza Madrigal: protective
Mickorod Renard: I was thinking,,I couldnt join my friend for a drink cos of the tiger
Bruce Mowbray: untamed? or just uncontrolled?
Mickorod Renard: miscivous
Mickorod Renard: scuse spelling
Bruce Mowbray: darting in and out -- interrupting...
arabella Ella: did you feel sad at your departure?
Mickorod Renard: I did feel a little sad,,but also a cold hearted resignation

Bruce Mowbray: I wonder if anyone can actually "control" what happens in dreams.
Bruce Mowbray: probably better tht we cannot do that...
Bruce Mowbray: (or at least I cannot.)
Mickorod Renard: In my opinion,,there are levels of dreaming...and in that depth there are vivid super dreams
Eliza Madrigal: we can find traction but I think controlling dreams is sort of fun but not really teaching
Mickorod Renard: i have managed to control in dreams
Mickorod Renard: but very limited
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, recently I've had such vivid dreams that when I wake I wonder if they are "real."
Eliza Madrigal: I like when I'm lucid enough to ask a question I want to
Mickorod Renard: yes, wonderul
Bruce Mowbray: very little barrier between dreams and waking reality...
Bruce Mowbray: Wonderful. Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal: when you wake do you feel less awake then, Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: No, I am wide awake.
Bruce Mowbray: more than usual.
Eliza Madrigal: hm
Mickorod Renard: so.....how should we go about future weeks? should we advertise?
Eliza Madrigal: so not necessarily disconnecting you
Eliza Madrigal: Mick if you will continue to come then I'll try to send a note beforehand

Bruce Mowbray: I suggest we do advertise a bit. Also pass the word.
Mickorod Renard: ok great
Eliza Madrigal: I think you should have a basic intro ready for people though
Bruce Mowbray: yes, good idea.
Eliza Madrigal: and a basic format
Mickorod Renard: I will try and get into recalling
Bruce Mowbray: I will try to remember and write down whatever dreams I have this week.
Eliza Madrigal: as well as figuring out the lines between confidential/open
Mickorod Renard: fantastic Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: in this case I'm not editing the log but not inclu the notecards
Bruce Mowbray: maybe fantastic, maybe not (!!)

Eliza Madrigal: may I share one line of a dream I had this week?
Bruce Mowbray: yes, please.
Mickorod Renard: yes please
arabella Ella: yes pls
Eliza Madrigal: My eyes followed a school of fish and they all darted behind a big boulder, and as I waited for them to come back out, they sprung into the air, having become a flock of silver birds
Eliza Madrigal: (done) :)
Bruce Mowbray: wow.
Eliza Madrigal: it had a lot of energy so I wanted to share
arabella Ella: lovely
arabella Ella: very beautiful imagery
Mickorod Renard: amazing
Eliza Madrigal: like little snippets like that, that just feel alive
Bruce Mowbray: nods.

Mickorod Renard: i remember once..sailing with my lad
arabella Ella: re notecards may I suggest they always include the word 'dreams' in the title to make them easier to find in my cluttered inventory?
Eliza Madrigal: good idea
Bruce Mowbray: yes, good idea.
Mickorod Renard: and all of a sudden lots of fish came following us and leaping out of the sea
Eliza Madrigal: oooh Mick
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Eliza Madrigal: I love to hear of your adventures, they sound like dreams to me
Mickorod Renard: yes, I do that now
arabella Ella smiles
Mickorod Renard: i have kept lots of my old dreams too
arabella Ella: great
Bruce Mowbray wonders if Mick's recent travels have entered his dream-life.
Mickorod Renard: do that now as in put dreams in title

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: Good suggestion.
Mickorod Renard: I could hand the lot over for archiving
Bruce Mowbray: I need to go into town now.
Mickorod Renard: ok Bruce,,have fun,,take care
Bruce Mowbray: THANKS Eliza, Mick, and Ara.
Eliza Madrigal: have a nice evening Bruce, and everyone
arabella Ella: bye Brucie lovely to see you!
Eliza Madrigal: I should go too.... son is ranting about something in the next room, hah
Mickorod Renard: he he m,,bye Eliza
Mickorod Renard: thanks
arabella Ella: bye Eliza lovely to see you too!
Mickorod Renard: lovely to see ya
Eliza Madrigal: bye for now, hugs and very lovely to see you
Eliza Madrigal waves
Mickorod Renard: bfn