2015.05.02 14:00 - Guardian Meeting: Martial Arts Practice!

Guardian Session was attended by Qt, Eliza, San, Bleu, Wol, Xiri, Agatha, Eden, Zen, Darren, and Adams...

Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu, Wol, Agatha :)
Wol Euler: evening all
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Wol, Aga:)
Agatha Macbeth waves
Santoshima Resident: wow! QT
Santoshima Resident: hello everyone

Eliza Madrigal: we've been talking about thin places, and qt just shared a video:
https://youtu.be/LgsDWb0orSQ
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eden :)
Qt Core: (beautiful, but how much wood wasted)

Xirana Oximoxi: hello Eden :)
Eden Haiku: Hi all :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Eden :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Bleu!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Zenji :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Xiri :)
Bleu Oleander: Hi Zen :)
Wol Euler: brb, RL calling
Zen Arado: Hi all

Eliza Madrigal: love the video, Qt
Bleu Oleander: very cool video Qt
Agatha Macbeth: So cool it crashed him
Eliza Madrigal: Qt likened cultivating thin places to "planing reality"
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: hah
Eliza Madrigal: wb Qt
Agatha Macbeth: Yay he's back
Qt Core: ty, hi Aph
Eliza Madrigal: Aph on from Italy?
Qt Core: wrong name, i had to type Aga
Eliza Madrigal: ahhh thought maybe she came up behind you and you typed hello before thinking ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: No, I'm not in Italy
Agatha Macbeth: Mama mia
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Zen Arado: bet you wish you were
Zen Arado: ;)
Agatha Macbeth nods
Eliza Madrigal would like to be


Eliza Madrigal: Anyway, glad to see everyone
Agatha Macbeth: Paddling a gondolier or something
Bleu Oleander: :)
Zen Arado: he would love that
Eliza Madrigal: Did everyone take a look at the WG minutes?
Agatha Macbeth: Aye
Eliza Madrigal: and if so, do you have questions?
Eliza Madrigal: or comments?
Eliza Madrigal: reference: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Guardian_Pages/Working_Group/2015_Working_Group/4.29.2015_WG_Meeting:_Agenda_and_Minutes
Zen Arado: didn't see them

Guardian Nomination:

Eliza Madrigal: there was an email to the group Zen. It has a guardian nomination also
Eliza Madrigal: <Name> (I'll edit that out of the log)
Agatha Macbeth: Brother of Kung
Xirana Oximoxi: I'm glad to have him with us :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Edit that too :p
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: He's a nice bloke actually
Eliza Madrigal: Usually when we send out a nom there are instant reactions of yes or what-have-you, but I think my email must have seemed daunting for everyone to read through :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes seems so
Eden Haiku: I simply forgot... met him just once also, difficult to give a yes or a no :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) understood
Zen Arado: haven't met him
Agatha Macbeth: He came to Maxine's dreams a lot
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: and came to poetry event for anniversary, several sessions
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...and he is a great artist :)
Eliza Madrigal: still haven' gotten to his exhibit!
Xirana Oximoxi: his 'collages' are really interesting
Xirana Oximoxi: a must visit
Eliza Madrigal: Shinju has a lm :)
Bleu Oleander: yes :)

Builders Group

Eliza Madrigal: Okay, does everyone understand how the builders group will function?
Eliza Madrigal: this is sort of the next phase of things to move with
Agatha Macbeth: Er, no
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... I've read it and it seems ok
Bleu Oleander: who all is on the group?
Eliza Madrigal: Let me find my list :) brb
Agatha Macbeth: But since I won't be building it's not really important
Eliza Madrigal: offhand it is Xiri, San, Bleu, Darren...
Xirana Oximoxi: you mean making proposals and then asking the whole group about it, Eliza?
Bleu Oleander: well your input is important
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eliza Madrigal: yes. The idea is that most people are not interested in being part of regular exchanges about development/building
Xirana Oximoxi: Aph also wanted to help gardening if I am not wrong...
Bleu Oleander: I think Aph is on the group too?
Eliza Madrigal: although everyone wants to be part of the creative brainstorming and give feedback
Eliza Madrigal: yes Aph for sure... gardening committee
Eliza Madrigal: I have a note on the other computer but forgot to bring

--BELL--

Bleu Oleander: input from the whole group re what spaces you would like to have ... i.e. village hall type building, museum, party space etc would be helpful perhaps?
Eliza Madrigal: yes, but we don't want to keep emails too busy
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, I agree...it would be good to know:)
Bleu Oleander: well maybe from the GM then so not so many emails
Eliza Madrigal: so good for the builders group to begin the process and then come to group with ideas perhaps?
Bleu Oleander: ok
Xirana Oximoxi: ok :)
Eliza Madrigal: someone from the group needs to initiate emails or contact inworld and establish a way of beginning

Eden Haiku: A village hall would be nice, yes.
Eliza Madrigal: agree
Eliza Madrigal: feels odd to meet here for guardian session
Bleu Oleander: yes
Xirana Oximoxi: well...I am no skilled building but would like to help...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: It does :)
Eliza Madrigal: you are good Xiri, and anyone is invited even if they only have ideas
Bleu Oleander: not true Xiri :)
Eliza Madrigal: and want to share them and collaborate
Xirana Oximoxi: ok :)
Eliza Madrigal: interest is the criteria, skill and taste are bonuses :))
Santoshima Resident: especially if they have ideas!
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: yes!
Eliza Madrigal: It will be ongoing also, as things come up from time to time, or temporary events etc

Eliza Madrigal: something else that came up in the wg meeting, is that we should talk about general guidelines and etiquette for the common land
Eden Haiku: yes?
Eliza Madrigal: since Storm used to do the line drawing and returning of randomly left objects
Eliza Madrigal: so now, things like asking how others feel before decorating the pavilion or things like that...
Wol Euler nods.
Eden Haiku: Good idea!
Eliza Madrigal: decorating for individual sessions don't need a guideline I think but for longer term/holidays etc
Zen Arado: or leaving things around after using
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Zen Arado: main problem I think

Eliza Madrigal: bleu wol and I will be able to return things, but shouldn't be relied on to do that too much
Eden Haiku: Who has the ability to return objects?
Eden Haiku: Ok

Agatha Macbeth: Is there no auto return?
Wol Euler: cannot be, aggers, else the playgoda would go :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Eliza Madrigal: autoreturn is just for sandboxes?
Wol Euler: yep
Eden Haiku: So, better to clean our clutter before we leave the pavilion. Understood :)
Qt Core: (and nudist area ;-) )
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: on that note, we are still a "moderate", not "adult" region.

Bleu Oleander: couldn't we set the land for group members only to build and still have an auto return for non members? or doesn't work that way?
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe ok:)
Eliza Madrigal: interesting question
Agatha Macbeth: Is everywhere moderate?
Eliza Madrigal leans toward radical :)
Wol Euler: non group members cannot build anyway
Agatha Macbeth throws a cushion at Liz
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Bleu Oleander: so couldn't we have auto return for others' stuff? or no?
Wol Euler: don't need it.
Bleu Oleander: so griefers can't place stuff
Xirana Oximoxi: they can not rezz
Eliza Madrigal: no one should be able to rezz or build who isn't a guardian with tag

Griefers

Xirana Oximoxi: well..maybe griefers know how to hack a place
Bleu Oleander: k
Eliza Madrigal: true Xiri, or attach menacing things to themselves
Wol Euler: well, yes, there will always be those whose sad pleasure it is to spoil things for everyone else.
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...that's sad, but I think it happens rarely
Eliza Madrigal nods
Wol Euler: anyone who can get past the Lab's controls is not going to be stopped by auto-return (which is itself a Lab control :)
Eliza Madrigal: oh, okay
Bleu Oleander: kk
Wol Euler: anything draconian enough to catch griefers will also get in the way of legitimate buildilng by group members

Qt Core: had a rough day, i may crash... on the keyboard (i just read the wg note and agree on everything) i must go
Eliza Madrigal: (((Qt)))
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Wol Euler: bye qt, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Ciao QT
Bleu Oleander: bye Qt
Eliza Madrigal: get some rest and take care
Zen Arado: byee Qt
Qt Core: Bye all
Santoshima Resident: bye QT ~ take care
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Qt, take care
Eliza Madrigal: (spent many hours in the ER yesterday) :(
Wol Euler: oh dear
Bleu Oleander: oh no
Xirana Oximoxi: ER?
Agatha Macbeth: Er
Bleu Oleander: emergency room
Eliza Madrigal: emergency room with a family member
Eliza Madrigal: draining
Xirana Oximoxi: awww
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Bleu Oleander: hope ok?
Zen Arado: Hospital?
Wol Euler: sorry to hear that :(
Eliza Madrigal: yes now okay
Xirana Oximoxi: I hope all is better now
Eliza Madrigal: he was sharing that so I'm not crossing boundary but yes

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: let me see what else, before maybe practicing freezing and ejecting?
Wol Euler: heheheh
Eden Haiku: Take care Qt...
Eden Haiku: Ah yes, a bit of martial arts practice!!!
Eliza Madrigal grins
Eliza Madrigal: it has been a long time since we've had to do that, and I've never frozen anyone before ...


Eliza Madrigal: Wol want to give a run down?
Wol Euler: okay
Bleu Oleander: freeze first, eject second?
Wol Euler: yes
Eden Haiku: **********Applause!!********** Wol
Eliza Madrigal: ::claps:::
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eden Haiku: **********Applause!!**********
Eliza Madrigal: Master Wol

Eden Haiku: Love this bell, so much randomness :)

Wol Euler: the situation is this: imagine you are sitting around at the playgoda like this and somebody turns out to be a griefer, or just a really obnoxious person, who needs to be removed but refuses to leave
Agatha Macbeth: Random is right
Eliza Madrigal: :) love it too
Wol Euler: you can eject them, which sends them back to their home in SL
Eden Haiku: So we politely ask to leave first,,,
Wol Euler: of course, always politely first
Eden Haiku: And then Bam!!!
Eliza Madrigal: hhaha
Wol Euler: right
Bleu Oleander: lol
Zen Arado: oh? I thought it just moved you to next region or something
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe :))
Eliza Madrigal: zap
Wol Euler: if there are two of them, then freezing comes into play
Agatha Macbeth: Can they not put shields up if you warn them?
Wol Euler: because as soon as you eject the first, if they ARE griefers, the second will immediately start causing real trouble
Wol Euler: so in that case, you frreeze them both first, one by one, and then eject them one by one
Wol Euler: freezing is relatively harmless
Wol Euler: just renders you unable to do anythng at all for a few seconds
Eden Haiku: Ah freeze then eject ok...
Wol Euler: right-click on someone

Eliza Madrigal wants to be frozen to see what that's like...
Xirana Oximoxi: freese = Mute?
Eden Haiku: Me too me too!
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Santoshima Resident: done, eliza
Wol Euler: no
Zen Arado: freeze me
Xirana Oximoxi: freeze
Wol Euler: mute = mute :)
Wol Euler: freeze = freeze
Xirana Oximoxi: ok:))
Wol Euler: right-click, "more", then "freeze"
Wol Euler: try it on eliza
Xirana Oximoxi: ahh yes..I see , thanks
Eliza Madrigal: love it
Eliza Madrigal: thanks San
Santoshima Resident: a little rest :)
Wol Euler: or on zen

Eliza Madrigal: "your freeze expired, go about your business"
Bleu Oleander: :)
Wol Euler: that's how long you have to eject him or them
Eden Haiku: How are you feeling zen?
Wol Euler: only a few seconds
Eliza Madrigal: 30 seconds
Wol Euler: so plan what you are going to do and move quickly
Eden Haiku: heh, I just froze him!
Eden Haiku: Oh oh!

Santoshima Resident: freeze, eject, block?
Wol Euler: block is different
Eliza Madrigal: I can't eject myself....
Wol Euler: block only prevents you from seeing or hearing that person ever again
Eden Haiku: I just ejected Zen...
Wol Euler: but they still sit here annoying eveyrone else
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: wait a moment
Xirana Oximoxi: omg:)
Wol Euler: don't go too far ahead
Eden Haiku: Trying to TP him back now...
Xirana Oximoxi: and can he come back?
Eden Haiku: yes, sorry...
Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)
Eden Haiku: Did not ban him...

Wol Euler: when you eject somebody, you ahve to be careful whether you just "eject" or "eject and ban"
Agatha Macbeth: I'm sure he'll love you for it
Wol Euler: ban means they can never return
Wol Euler: so do NOT use that on us now when practicing
Zen Arado: it just moved me to outside boundary
Xirana Oximoxi: welcome back Zen:)
Zen Arado: not home
Wol Euler: but if it's a griefer then you DO want to ban them too
Eliza Madrigal: so not home
Eden Haiku: I notice you sit further from me Zen. Sorry. Your «freeze me was very tempting :-)))

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, so this is a good point to bring up actually, that before really dealing with a griefer we should IM one another to make sure we aren't the only ones annoyed
Wol Euler: else they return instantly and they WILL cause trouble
Wol Euler: yes, of course
Wol Euler: sorry
Zen Arado: :) Eden
Wol Euler: "eject and ban" is not to be used because you happen to be in a bad mood and don't enjoy a person's company
Zen Arado: oh
Agatha Macbeth: Of course there's nothing to stop them coming back with another av
Eliza Madrigal: we can also send a "bat signal" as we called it at one time
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: shame
Zen Arado: be great in RL
Wol Euler: so yes, IM among us and find a consensus
Eliza Madrigal: so even if another guardian isn't in session if really upset we can IM and ask to come make judgment about behavior
Zen Arado: only kidding
Eliza Madrigal smiles at Zen
Eden Haiku: What kind of bat signal Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: IMs or can go through guardian group chat
Agatha Macbeth: Gotham City?
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...I like it, sometimes it may be difficult to value where the limits are
Eliza Madrigal: yes its happened before for sure
Wol Euler: first step is always to try to explain and reason with the people
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Adams :)
Wol Euler: most people are sane

Bleu Oleander: hi Adams
Zen Arado: Hi Adama
Eden Haiku: Ok, so IM another guardian to check...
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams, we're going over warning, freezing and ejecting
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Adams :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes if there is doubt
Adams Rubble: Hello everyone :)
Eden Haiku: hey Adams:)
Santoshima Resident: hi Adams
Wol Euler: it's more likely that they are unaware that they are annoying us, than that they are deliberately setting out to spoil our pleasures
Wol Euler: so explain and ask them to stop first
Eliza Madrigal: OK
Eden Haiku: Yep! and then BAM!!!
Eliza Madrigal giggles

Santoshima Resident: how does one "Ban"? sl viewer ~
Eden Haiku: Feeling in a martial mode :)
Zen Arado: can put them on list as not having access
Zen Arado: but only owners can do that
Santoshima Resident: i see
Eliza Madrigal: we can report
Xirana Oximoxi: when I rent I can also do it Zen
Eliza Madrigal: in a bad griefer situation it is good for several to report
Zen Arado: ah yes
Bleu Oleander: yes
Santoshima Resident: report to whom?
Santoshima Resident: LL?
Wol Euler: yes, the abuse report goes to the Lab
Zen Arado: renters have orivileges too
Eden Haiku: How do we report?
Eliza Madrigal: yes...am looking to see where those options are...
Bleu Oleander: in the "help" menu
Zen Arado: priveleges
Eliza Madrigal clicks zen carefully
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Zen Arado: Access
Eliza Madrigal: yes it comes up in a pie when I click person
Zen Arado: on about land
Zen Arado: or parcel detaiks
Xirana Oximoxi: yes

Bleu Oleander: report abuse in in the "help" menu

--BELL--

Eden Haiku: I, found it, thank you Bleu!
Bleu Oleander: yw :)
Eden Haiku: To report offender (translating from my French screen)
Bleu Oleander: if you can, click on the object and the report abuse and it will find the owner and take a photo
Eliza Madrigal: good tip
Bleu Oleander: and then fill out the rest of the form and send in
Bleu Oleander: you'll get a confirmation from LL
Bleu Oleander: via email
Bleu Oleander: you can also attach your own photo

Eliza Madrigal: so basic order - warn politely, warn strongly (while IMing for another if unsure), freeze (if more than one), eject, report if warranted
Eliza Madrigal: then owner can ban
Eliza Madrigal: so let the group know

Agatha Macbeth: Hello Darren
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Darren :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Darren :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hello leaping :)
Adams Rubble: Hello darren :)
Zen Arado: Hi Darren
Agatha Macbeth: Leap in :p
Darren Islar: hi everyone

Wol Euler: oh, wait, can normal guardians not eject and ban?
Eden Haiku: Hi Darren
Wol Euler: I certainly could when I was just a guardian
Eliza Madrigal: everyone is able to eject
Eliza Madrigal: but ban?
Xirana Oximoxi: ok..hello Darren:)
Agatha Macbeth: Depends on how you define 'normal' :p
Wol Euler: right, but ejct and ban?
Zen Arado: so long as group tag is worn
Eliza Madrigal: I was never guided to ban but remember storm doing so
Zen Arado: :)
Bleu Oleander: each person has their own "block" list
Zen Arado: oh sorry

Wol Euler: the thing is, if you believe the person is a griefer then there is no benefit in just ejecting without banning!
Bleu Oleander: can anyone add to the group land list?
Wol Euler: they'll be back in seconds and will be angry
Eliza Madrigal: so that is a basic ability also?
Zen Arado: only owners can ban ?
Wol Euler: let me check
Wol Euler: no
Wol Euler: I could ban before I was owner
Wol Euler: before I was manager even
Bleu Oleander: their are 4 listed on our group land banned list now
Xirana Oximoxi: in our language chats we have also used 'mute' sometimes when a person disturbs...they go when they notice we can not hear them...just another idea to use maybe

Zen Arado: ok ban me
Zen Arado: sighs
Bleu Oleander: lol
Eliza Madrigal: haha you wish Zen
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Wol Euler: no need to go that far :)
Eliza Madrigal: we're keeping you :)
Eden Haiku: No no, you could never return Zen...
Wol Euler: take it one step at a time
Zen Arado: just to try
Eden Haiku: We want to have you back ;)

Wol Euler: right click on somebody, select "more"
Zen Arado: you just need to remove name again
Wol Euler: now, when I do that there's a command in the pie menu called "eject..."
Wol Euler: note the "..."
Wol Euler: when I select that I get a new dialog with three options
Eden Haiku: Ah, I'm not the one banning you Zen. Let someone do the trick if you want it :)
Wol Euler: "eject", "eject and ban", and "cancel"
Wol Euler: what do you see? do you see those threee options=
Wol Euler: ?
Eliza Madrigal: I don't have eject and ban
Darren Islar: I only get eject and cancel
Wol Euler: okay

Wol Euler: perhaps that was "improved" out
Wol Euler: lemme check the role abilities
Eliza Madrigal: I have eject, and I have freeze, and "report" comes up on first pie
Zen Arado: there are 4 residents banned already I see
Eliza Madrigal: (how interesting, did you know that in the pie of options, if you click "more" a few times there is an 'invite to group' option too? easy peasy)

Santoshima Resident: excuse me, needing to go, i'll read the minutes for the details ~ bye all
Zen Arado: bye San
Eliza Madrigal: okay thanks San, happy saturday
Xirana Oximoxi: bye San
Bleu Oleander: bye San
Adams Rubble: bey san
Agatha Macbeth: You just noticed?
Eden Haiku: bye San
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Sanji
Eliza Madrigal is learning a lot lately
Eliza Madrigal: and relearning
Agatha Macbeth: 'Never too old'
Eliza Madrigal: you may only have Ban because you are owner Wol
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: hmmmmm
Bleu Oleander: eject and freeze is everyone

Zen Arado: I can't add or remove residents from Access list on About Land
Bleu Oleander: right
Darren Islar: I see the guardians can't manage the ban list
Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure if that is something you can give away/delegate permissions for
Wol Euler: eliza and bleu, you should both have the Ban option
Bleu Oleander: but you can eject and freeze
Wol Euler: is that true?
Zen Arado: must be owners only
Eliza Madrigal: I didn't.... unless you just added?
Bleu Oleander: yes Wol
Wol Euler: no, haven't changed anything
Bleu Oleander: under manage ban list
Eliza Madrigal: hm, looking through other avenues
Wol Euler: but you two have "manage ban list" and I cannot see any sense in that unless you can banish as well
Bleu Oleander: when you highlight manage ban list under "abilities" it explains the ability as "allows the group memeber to ban / un-ban residents from this group
Darren Islar: then maybe the role guardian should be adapted
Eliza Madrigal: I see the ability clicked but am not sure how to access list because it doesn't come up in my pie options as "eject and ban"
Adams Rubble: If you bring up the land menu...under access, you can add to the ban list
Darren Islar: is that as manager Eliza?
Darren Islar: because I don't see it checked as guardian

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: no it is usually not for all guardians
Bleu Oleander: as manager
Eliza Madrigal: storm used to do that exclusively
Adams Rubble: please see my comment above
Darren Islar: I agree with Wol though
Wol Euler: okay, make PaB your active group and make Manager your active role
Wol Euler: now look
Eliza Madrigal: got it
Eliza Madrigal: >whew<
Wol Euler: aha!
Eden Haiku: Ah!
Eliza Madrigal: still not in pie but I can add to list

Wol Euler: okay, so important that you be in the right group and role
Agatha Macbeth: Bake a little longer
Darren Islar: sure, but guardians can't
Wol Euler: they are now
Eliza Madrigal: it is one of those abilities that is rarely used
Darren Islar: ah :)
Eliza Madrigal: thankfully
Wol Euler: change to a different group
Wol Euler: then change back to PaB
Wol Euler: and ensure your role is Guardian
Wol Euler: and check
Wol Euler: you should all now have the third optoin, "eject and ban"

Darren Islar: thankfully yes, but when it happens, someone in the group of that moment needs to have that ability
Darren Islar: I still can't

Eliza Madrigal: I need to get going actually, but feel free to continue :) Adams, part 2 for session tomorrow?
Bleu Oleander: have it
Darren Islar: ok, have a good day E;liza
Wol Euler: anyone else?
Wol Euler: anyone?
Wol Euler: bueller?
Bleu Oleander: bye Eliza
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Eliza :)
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz
Eliza Madrigal: thanks very much everyone! Hugs
Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care
Eliza Madrigal: hah, beuller...
Zen Arado: bye Eliza
Wol Euler grins.
Adams Rubble: bye eliza
Eden Haiku: bye Eliza!
Darren Islar: maybe we need to select the guardian role again
Agatha Macbeth: Fritz?
Darren Islar: ?
Zen Arado: bye everyone
Darren Islar: bye Zen
Adams Rubble: bye zen
Wol Euler: change to a different group, then change back
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Zenny
Bleu Oleander: bye Zen
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Zen, see you soon! :)
Eden Haiku: Bye Zen!
Darren Islar: still doesn't work

Wol Euler: aggers, could you try please? or adams?
Eden Haiku: Trying...
Adams Rubble: I can add to the ban list
Agatha Macbeth: I'm afraid to in case I permanently kick someone out
Bleu Oleander: I get the eject and ban in any of my PaB roles not just when manager is selected
Wol Euler: if you go one step at a time you will not
Wol Euler: I only want you to see whether you have the third option onthe "eject" dialotg
Agatha Macbeth: What am I looking for?
Wol Euler: either there are two optoins or there are three
Wol Euler: just look
Wol Euler: no clicking
Wol Euler: just look
Agatha Macbeth: There only seems to be one
Wol Euler: ??????
Agatha Macbeth: Palin Eject
Agatha Macbeth: Plain*
Eden Haiku: I have: eject then more but no ban...
Darren Islar: I took on the role of cultivator, then back to guardian and I still don't have access
Adams Rubble: I don;t have it on my right click menu, just block, report, freeze and eject (whatever block is)
Xirana Oximoxi: I also see only the option 'eject'

Wol Euler: right-click on somebody, choose "more", then choose "eject ..."
Wol Euler: note the ...
Wol Euler: do you see ... ?
Darren Islar: no the 'ban' no
Wol Euler: damn
Wol Euler: well, I have no idea
Agatha Macbeth: 'Eject Wol Euler from your land?'
Wol Euler: and neither does the Firestorm support group
Wol Euler: no
Wol Euler: cancel that
Wol Euler: please do as I asked, one single step at a time
Wol Euler: right-click
Wol Euler: then click on "more"
Wol Euler: then LOOK for the word "eject"
Eden Haiku: Well,,, Have to go. Bye for now :)
Wol Euler: click ONCE on that
Adams Rubble: bye eden
Wol Euler: bye eden
Darren Islar: bye Eden
Wol Euler: take care

Xirana Oximoxi: but in About Land..it seems like I ave the option to ban
Darren Islar: sorry Wol, but I did all that
Agatha Macbeth: Same result
Xirana Oximoxi: I have
Wol Euler: damn
Wol Euler: okay, leave it, I'll have to investigate this
Darren Islar: ok
Agatha Macbeth: Perhaps it depends on Role
Darren Islar: it's what we are checking

Adams Rubble: there is another option to banning :)
Bleu Oleander: its the cultivator role maybe
Wol Euler: no
Wol Euler: I assigned it to Guardian
Wol Euler: cultivator is "everyone"
Wol Euler: we do NOT want everyone able to ban.
Agatha Macbeth: Let me try a diff title
Bleu Oleander: doesn't have all the abilities that host and guardians have
Bleu Oleander: guardians can manage ban lists
Xirana Oximoxi: I can add people to the banned list at 'About land' > Acces
Bleu Oleander: cultivators can't
Bleu Oleander: hosts can't either
Agatha Macbeth: Still the same
Darren Islar: I've been looking there too, but I can't
Xirana Oximoxi: I have not tried, but the option seems active
Agatha Macbeth: When did you get back from Iraq Adams? :p
Adams Rubble: :) other solutions to banning
Bleu Oleander: bye all ... have a great weekend
Darren Islar: bye Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bleuji
Adams Rubble: bye bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Stay pale
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Bleu...have a nice weekend! I also go now...take care all and see you soon!
Wol Euler: try again, please, guardians?

--BELL--

Darren Islar: Bye Xira
Xirana Oximoxi: ok...I try :)
Adams Rubble: bye Xirana
Agatha Macbeth: It's just doing the same thing
Darren Islar: sorry Wol
Darren Islar: I still can't
Adams Rubble: time for me to go too. bye all :)
Darren Islar: bye Adams
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Adams
Agatha Macbeth: Careful of the griefers

Xirana Oximoxi: I see only the option to eject :) but I hope I will not have to use it..and if so..I will ask for help :)
Darren Islar: yes Wol, you did it!
Darren Islar: I can now
Xirana Oximoxi: bye all ...seee you soon! :)
Darren Islar: bye Xira
Agatha Macbeth: Adios Xira
Agatha Macbeth: Hasta porno
Darren Islar: need to activate another group first, than back to PaB and I am able to
Agatha Macbeth: Same here
Agatha Macbeth: Shut up bell
Wol Euler: oh, so you CAN eject and ban now? excellent
Darren Islar: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, it would seem a group change is required tho
Darren Islar: I think when people rezz again, they will be able to
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it's cos I hadn't had mine off

Agatha Macbeth: Well if it ain't Mr Fook
Darren Islar: ok, something else on the agenda? ;)
Darren Islar: hi nega
Negafook Resident: just here to help out my lady :)
Agatha Macbeth: If this bell doesn't shut up I'm going to mute it
Darren Islar: grins
Agatha Macbeth: Well that sorted that out anyway
Negafook Resident: right, glad that's sorted
Negafook Resident: bye for now
Agatha Macbeth: Byee
Agatha Macbeth: He fooked off...
Wol Euler: he did indeed
Agatha Macbeth: Nideed
Wol Euler: and so shall I
Wol Euler: goodnight, m'
Wol Euler: m'dears
Wol Euler: stay happy
Agatha Macbeth: BFN
Darren Islar: bfn
Agatha Macbeth: Good to see you again Daz