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2010.09.10 01:00 - Chaining the little elephant
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No headersWol Euler was guardian and commenter for this session. I arrived late and thought that I was alone, as you will see.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi
Archmage Atlantis: Hello Lawrence
Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi, Archmage. How're you?
Archmage Atlantis: At 4 in the morning/ or in the night....not so bad
Lawrence Vyceratops: Yeah, it's about my bedtime!
Archmage Atlantis: California or Hawaii then.....Finland it is midmorning
Archmage Atlantis: Oh SW FL for me
Lawrence Vyceratops: I'm now in Kansas.
Archmage Atlantis: Say hello to Dorothy, never did understand why she wanted to go home :)
Lawrence Vyceratops: Yah.
Archmage Atlantis: My mum's name was Dorothy Dean
Wol Euler: friday 10 september, 1am
Archmage Atlantis: Hiya, Wol....long time no see
Wol Euler: ah, hello cosmicflower
Wol Euler: hello arch, lawrence
Arch surprises himself.
Archmage Atlantis: Oh, f....., It is my birthday in rl
Wol Euler: (the world rezzes very slowly)
Wol Euler: ah! congratulations!!
Wol Euler: happy birthday, arch.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi, Wol. I haven't seen you guys in quite a while.
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: One day before 9/11 - well at least I missed that connection
Wol Euler: hehehe
Wol Euler: Kennedy was shot on my cousin's birthday, somewhat spoiled the day for him.
Archmage Atlantis: Yea,...my dad called me to turn on the tv that day
Archmage Atlantis: He wanted me to see it
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hi all ;) I was afk, had to feed baby and put him to day sleep
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: wb cosmic
Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi, Cosmic :)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: "read them lines ;)
Archmage Atlantis: Cos, you do that to make us exist
Wol Euler grins.
Wol Euler feels herself beginning to exist.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Happy Birthday Dear Arch *** <3<3<3 *** one day beforehand ;)
Archmage Atlantis: You exist to me Wol.....I don't let go.......some try to fly away, and I let them, but I am always here if they wish
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: 11 is stong number ;)
Lawrence Vyceratops: I'm always seeing the clock at 11 after the hour.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Why can't it be 29 or 34?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, yes in finland its now 11.07 am
Wol Euler: perhaps because Being is playing tricks with your mind? :)
Archmage Atlantis: Don't know, it is always 20 before for me.......and then I am late anyway
Lawrence Vyceratops: I have no idea. It used to be funny. Now, it's annoying.
Cos tells us a way of dealing with the mind's tricks.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I was yesterday in one interesting meeting
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there were how person do experience the thing what is thinking
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: for example
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if getting afraid suddenly
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: the whole body might shake
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and heart beat
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and later can see there were nothing to get afraitn
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or like being a little elephant
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if thinking "i can not do that" or " i will not succeed"
Archmage Atlantis: In my arms I hold you Cos, as I hold Star
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: then from every time thinking like this
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there comes a chain
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to tye this little elephant to the pillar
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: so that it can not do it
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: only can say
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: You are absolutely right
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if we are thinking our mind is playing triks
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: can respond
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and it keep playing triks.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it was amazing when I saw this picture
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and when getting off from those chains
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: starting to choose thoughts
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: then there will become freedom
We were confused, Cos clarified.
Lawrence Vyceratops: I'm not quite sure if I'm following...
Wol Euler: the elephant is the negative idea, the "I can't do this"?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiling to lawrens
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah no
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: elephant is like a person
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and if choose to think
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: for example negative way
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: "i can not do this"
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: then comes a chain
Archmage Atlantis: A Vyserztops, not follow?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to "hold" this elephant not to do it
Lawrence Vyceratops: I see.
Wol Euler: ah, I see (I think)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and then this "elephant" -person might think why I do not succeed
Archmage Atlantis: To hold a dinosaur, is to do it
Archmage Atlantis: Both mean the same
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or just cut those thinking chains what keeps person Not to do
Archmage Atlantis: Someone wished to hold
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what wish to do
Petals and affirmations.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there were also kind of "map"
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: like flower
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: with 8 petals
Lawrence Vyceratops: Like when a person says, "I'm clumsy." They create a chain of events that may reinforce this idea of being clumsy.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: those petals represents 8 different things
Wol Euler nods.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: relationship / singlehood, family, sosial, wellfare, spirituality, business, money and Self
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: ding
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there are with everyone something to repair on these at lest on some petals. and when finding that where to do beter, then making affirmation card. Separate on to each subject. Can deal with 2-3 affirmations at the same time, can not consentrate to all of these aspects at the same time.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: in one affirmation card should put 3 goals
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and like in form "today its 11.10.2010
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and like it is already there
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: like having it already, the goals
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and then write down also the feel how I feel to having already this
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: (what I am wishing for)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: It was truely intersting
Lawrence Vyceratops: Interesting.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if needing lower the weight, then put 3 things , goal like I am in good shape , feeling energical my-self, having good aerobic fitness, and I feel Awsome I have done this
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or I fit now in my little sexy black dress
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to feel how it feels
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: like already being there
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and when that day of goal comes
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if not succeeded to goal, then start to feel more about it
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: 2 weeks first only to read affirmation cards
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: many times per day
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and then start to do, and still feeling the ending result
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if not the day of goal not succeeded, then should maby chek out the day, but not changing goal
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and feel it more like having it already
Lawrence Vyceratops: I see.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think, if people truely learn to make these affirmation cards and create their lives beter way
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: they will all be free
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: no chains anymore to hold you back
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to do what wish to do
Archmage Atlantis: And what if one's 3 things are 1) the future of humanity, 2} the future of all being, and 3) love
Lawrence Vyceratops: Some should not do what they wish to do. Hahaha
Wol Euler: back, sorry
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Love was separate petal on that flower
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: also social
Wol Euler: the problem with SL-ing in public is that it IS public :)
Archmage Atlantis: Love is the central
Wol Euler: poeple talk to you )
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: wb Wol <3
Wol Euler: reading ...
Archmage Atlantis: Funny THat wOL
Lawrence Vyceratops: Not a problem. We saw you hunched over and "sleeping." haha
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: sometimes there are much to do at rl at the same time too ;)
Wol Euler: affirmation cards are a neat idea.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yess ;))
Archmage Atlantis: Wol, you have my sisters respect, so you have mine
Wol Euler smiles.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think I do some from 3 different issues
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: today
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Crazy stuff? We think not. The Lawrence asks the big question.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: people might think this is all crazy stuff
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but that crazy to worth of trying
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lol
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, it is crazy
Wol Euler looks around her and grins. What isn't?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if that crazy thing can change lives
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to more near freedom
Archmage Atlantis: All is crazy......you only have to get enuf to agree it isn't
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think its worth to try
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Lawrence Vyceratops: Freedom from...?
Wol Euler: freedom from unhappiness, perhaps?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: those chains people you to rope them-selves to that pillar
Wol Euler: in the broadest sense
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: so that can not move or do what they would love to
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes
Lawrence Vyceratops: Oh, right.
Archmage Atlantis: Cos? what is freedom?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: for me its allowing
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: others to be
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and do how they like
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and also allowing to my-self too
--BELL--
Wol Euler: lack of constraint
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and accepting
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: belongs also to freedom
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to me
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if not accepting, then might have forgotton some part of one own freedom
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or others
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: makes any sense???
Wol Euler: shhhhhhhhh :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Arch asks a question which leads us off in a slightly different direction.
Archmage Atlantis: So, Cos, I would ask you a question about accepting.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: sure
Archmage Atlantis: I accept that my friend wishes to "make love" to animals,, actual real animals....not human
Lawrence Vyceratops: Wow.
Wol Euler: ... and your question is?
Archmage Atlantis: How does that person respect the wishes of the one who has less power?
Wol Euler: hello cal
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I do not know
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: one thing only came in my mind
Wol Euler: do you think he (I assume it's a he) does, Arch?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if its love making or raping
Archmage Atlantis: ty cos, i do not know either
Calvino Rabeni: Hi everyone, thought I'd stop by
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, that is what i think
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hi Cal <3<3<3
Calvino Rabeni: <33333
Archmage Atlantis: Hiya, Cal, been fishing latelly?
Archmage Atlantis: Oy, that was lame
Calvino Rabeni: Long time no see, Lawrence
Wol Euler wonders why extremes of sexual behaviour come up so often as test cases? With Samuel it was paedophilia, it came up in every discussion he joined at some point or other.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi,
Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi, Cal
Wol Euler: whether thinking X meant condoning paedophilia
Lawrence Vyceratops: Been workin' out? haha
Wol Euler: yeah, true, cal looks buffed ;)
Calvino Rabeni: I didn't change body, just a tight shirt :)
Wol Euler grins.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I stayed to think that man
Archmage Atlantis: Because it is in us to defend those who have less to defend with
Wol Euler: ah, the old painted-on-sixpack trick
Lawrence Vyceratops: Haha
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: maby there is some will to dominate, because "taking" something what can not say "stop"
Wol Euler nods
Wol Euler: these cases tend to be about power as much as about sexual pleasure. They say "I have the right to do this to you, whether or not you agree"
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, yes, and well, there is no such "rights" to rule over others free will
Wol Euler: agreed
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Lawrence Vyceratops: There would have to be some research to discover the answer.
Wol Euler: with the proviso that society and the law may restrict your freedom to murder me, to protect my higher freedom to remain alive
Calvino Rabeni: I agree with Vyce
Calvino Rabeni: Research needed
Respect?
Archmage Atlantis: In the movie Avatar, respect from he who flew was gained only by not backing down
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, I just got a great idea. Today my man is in Sauna-evening arranged by his work place
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I might arrange one to my kids at home
Archmage Atlantis: We have told stories, sung songs, created pictures to pass this forward to the young.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: some limonade
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: chips
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: candies
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: sauna
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and wii
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and me playing with them
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hehe
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: good idea.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Time for me to call it a night.
--BELL--
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Sweet dreams Lawrence
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Arch begins a story that doesn't seem to reach a conclusion. Sorry Arch, I should have followed this up.
Archmage Atlantis: First, I will tell about my mother
Calvino Rabeni: Take are, Lawrence
Archmage Atlantis: She grew up on a cotton farm in Alabama
Archmage Atlantis: She was one of the first coed classes at the University of Florida
Archmage Atlantis: Ding
Lawrence Vyceratops: 'Night, all!
Archmage Atlantis: Hugs
Wol Euler: bye lawrence, take care
Calvino Rabeni: Bye :)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Namaste <3<3<3
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: goes to have some tea
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: be right back
Wol Euler: :)
Symmetry and balance and completeness, oh my.
Archmage Atlantis: Movin round are we Mr. Calvin?
Calvino Rabeni: Fillin' the gap
Calvino Rabeni: I like it cosy
Archmage Atlantis: Sometimes balance creates lack of balance.......how does one deal with that?
Wol Euler: creative disruption?
Calvino Rabeni: Fall over
Wol Euler: shuffling the cards?
Wol Euler: pedal faster.
Calvino Rabeni: turn the wheel in the direction of fall
Archmage Atlantis: Falling over while shuffling the cards, me thinks
Wol Euler: actually, I can see the *desire* for balance creating unbalance, but not balance itself doing that
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I like circle to be unbroken too
Wol Euler: if one became attached to the idea of balance
Archmage Atlantis: Song, "Will the Circle be Unbroken
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it can be, but its nice also when snake swallows its end ;)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and circle gets closed
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I like it too, about that feel
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
Archmage Atlantis: K, you said the magid word
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: <3<3<3
Calvino Rabeni: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Se..._alquimica.jpg
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, yes exactly like this ;)
Wol Euler: back in the early days when snakes still had legs.
Archmage Atlantis: We are a species that dares
Calvino Rabeni: This snake has 4 legs
Wol Euler vaguely remembers some old folk tales and smiles.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)))
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: wooww
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I wish I would have listened those
Calvino Rabeni: Well, maybe the artist just put the feet on as a favor
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: heared
Calvino Rabeni: I heard a few tales
Calvino Rabeni: but not folk tales, more like "tales that could be true"
Archmage Atlantis: There is some truth passed down in the written record
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes ;)
Archmage Atlantis: Koya has her claws dug into my shoulder.......I cannont remember that happening before
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, Now I feel I would go also to day dreaming
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: <3<3<3 Arch
Wol Euler: heh
Wol Euler: perhaps she feels a loss of balance?
Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste, Cos
Wol Euler: take care, cosmic, enjoy the day.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: <3<3<3 Cal <3<3<3 <3<3<3 Wol <3<3<3 <3<3<3 Arch <3<3<3 See you all soon ;D
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I will
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and have fun ;)
--BELL--
My "innerer Schweinehund" makes its presence known.
Wol Euler sighs. I hate the thought of going to work today. It's a **beautiful** fall day out there in RL, sunny and blue sky, gentle breeze, 20°C
Wol Euler: would be perfect for walking down to the river and watching the ducks for a hwile
Archmage Atlantis: Then don't go, Wol
Calvino Rabeni: Call in "sick"
Wol Euler nods and sighs. I haven't had a day sick or even "sick" in many months.
Archmage Atlantis: You have days you have not taken
Archmage Atlantis: I know
Calvino Rabeni: Family emergency. Flat tire. Meteor strike. Temporary insanity.
Archmage Atlantis: Because I "see" u
Wol Euler likes "temporary insanity"
Archmage Atlantis: Um, just say "not well"
Calvino Rabeni: If that doesn't work, try "all of the above"
Wol Euler muses. Why can't I allow myself that?
Archmage Atlantis: They don't need to know
Wol Euler: because I do feel a really strong sense of "you can't do htat!"
Wol Euler: obligation.
Calvino Rabeni: Well, I too have a morning meeting in RL but this one I want to attend
Wol Euler: giri
Archmage Atlantis: You can't, we did
Calvino Rabeni: starting in a few hours, so ...
Calvino Rabeni: Time for this one to hit the hay :)
Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
Wol Euler smiles and nods. Goodnight Cal, sleep well.
Calvino Rabeni: TY
Archmage Atlantis: Ah. crap
Archmage Atlantis: Bye then
Wol Euler: ah well
Wol Euler: bye arch, take care (for the record)
Calvino Rabeni raises one eyebrow
Wol Euler sees your eyebrow and raises you one.
Wol Euler: "three of a kind"
Calvino Rabeni: Wol looks surprised
Wol Euler: the possibilities are infinite
Wol Euler: that is surprising
Calvino Rabeni fumbles for Ctrl-Q in the dark
Wol Euler grins and waves. Bye!
Wol Euler: goodbye, dear listener.
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