2012.02.01 13:00 - The coldest night of the year

The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

Wol Euler: good evening Korel
Korel Laloix: Bozho
Korel Laloix: How are you today?
Wol Euler: pretty well thanks
Wol Euler: it's chilly here, well below zero today
Wol Euler hums "the coldest night of the year"
Korel Laloix: That sounds positively evil.
Korel Laloix: I soooo can't wait till Spring.
Wol Euler: um, zero celsius, probably no worse than 27 F
Wol Euler: maybe 25
Wol Euler: how are you?
Wol Euler: other than wanting spring
Wol Euler: :)
Korel Laloix: Just busy and strange this week.
Korel Laloix: I guess normal life for me.
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: strange and normal are relative terms
--BELL--
Korel Laloix: True.. I am perfectly normal and everyone else is strange.
Wol Euler: that is so often the way :)=
Wol Euler: hello fef
Korel Laloix: Bozho Fef
Fefonz Quan: Ah, so you are the one korel :)
Fefonz Quan: Heya!
Korel Laloix: Being perfect is hard to bare sometimes.... grins
Fefonz Quan: strange, I have never considered myself to be the normal one
Wol Euler smiles.
Korel Laloix: Understandable, as I am the normal one.
Korel Laloix: So by definition, you are not... grins
Fefonz Quan: the aspiration to normality is overated in my opinion
Korel Laloix: True, everyone trying to be like me is a bit silly.
Wol Euler: though nowhere nearly as highly overrated as the desire to be "exceptional"
Wol Euler: IMHO
Wol Euler: particularly the way this is sold by advertisers
Korel Laloix: Well, I have exceptional coverd as wel... exceptionally normal...
Fefonz Quan: yes, the desire to be exceptional is so normal :)
Wol Euler: "prove yourself a true individual by wearing the same jeans as eveyrone else"
Korel Laloix gigles
Korel Laloix: The quest to be free by trying to fit into a small subgroup is a strange way to go.
Wol Euler: solitude is frightening to many people, I think
Fefonz Quan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVygqjyS4CA
Fefonz Quan: :)
Korel Laloix: I find a lot of the time that people that claim to be non conformists tend to cling to their social group more tightly than the main stream folks.
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Wol Euler: hello arch
Wol Euler: yes, korel, that is true
Fefonz Quan: Hello Arch, and hikari
Korel Laloix: Never been a MOnty Python fan... but that is rathet well done.
Fefonz Quan: ewll, they have more to loose Korel
Korel Laloix: What do you mean?
Korel Laloix: Can you talk about that more?
Korel Laloix: Please
Fefonz Quan: the non-conformitst
Korel Laloix: has more to loose?
Fefonz Quan: let's say that been far from the average takes energy
Archmage Atlantis: Sistren and brethren, namaste and blessings from the other places.
Fefonz Quan: but once you
Korel Laloix: Bozho
Fefonz Quan: are there, it also takes energy to keep this astatus
Fefonz Quan: while being in the average, you need no effort but hence no assets to loose
Archmage Atlantis: There is no guardian assigned on the wiki for this session.....my record of claiming these is not stellar
Fefonz Quan: well there is Arch, guess who? :)
Archmage Atlantis: Danke, Fef
Wol Euler smiles.
Korel Laloix: I can if you like.
Archmage Atlantis: Ok, am vs. pm....got mixed up
Archmage Atlantis: world time, ya know
Fefonz Quan: happens all the time, especially with the 12 hours :)
Fefonz Quan: onbviously 12am should have been *at noon*
Archmage Atlantis: Listening to spirituals
Archmage Atlantis: Deep River
Korel Laloix: What sort?
Archmage Atlantis: Want to cross over
Wol Euler smiles.
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: my home is over Jordan
Fefonz Quan: (break on through to the other side, poom boom poom pooboompoompooboompoom)
Wol Euler: hello fox, nice to see you here
Archmage Atlantis: :)
Fox Monacular: hello everyone:)
Korel Laloix: osiyo
Fefonz Quan: Hello Fox
Fefonz Quan: I don't think I would stay long, since I came back from china I didn;t quite recover yet
Fefonz Quan: somehow it hit my immune system
Archmage Atlantis: How is your young daughter, Fef?
Wol Euler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLUaebHNOSQ
Fefonz Quan: maybe the extreme cold ther...
Fox Monacular: did you have a good trip, Fefonz?
Fefonz Quan: very cute, thanks Arch
Archmage Atlantis: good
Archmage Atlantis: sometimes, things are just good
Fefonz Quan: hard work Fox, and the -13 celsius on the morning surely didn't elp :)
Fox Monacular: oh, I see... -13 is not the best relaxing weather:)
Wol Euler: wow
Wol Euler: it's funny, I don't think of China as being a cold place.
Fefonz Quan: well, you know, it's quite big, and get up to mongoliya/russia in te north
Archmage Atlantis: China spans frigid cold to tropic hot
Wol Euler: true
Fefonz Quan: very nice song wol
Fefonz Quan: not familiar with this artist
Wol Euler: a canadian hero :)
Korel Laloix: Will watch later at home thanks.
Fefonz Quan: like the vocal and mostly the guitars and saxophone
Wol Euler: the song is about toronto, where I grew up
Wol Euler: well, not about but set in
Fefonz Quan: well, then you know someting about cold weather
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: I know that humidity makes a huge difference
Fefonz Quan: Beiging is teribbbly dry
Fefonz Quan: jing*
Wol Euler: -3 and humid in Germany is far more uncomfortable than -18 and dry on the prairies, as long as you are out oof the wind
Fefonz Quan: why? because it is snowy?
Wol Euler: I'm not sure of the scientific explanation, but the humidity makes the cold air cut into your bones in a way that the dry cold of the prairies does not
Fox Monacular: humid cold is horrible... in Montreal too, -3 and humid is somehow worse than -15
Wol Euler: yeah
Fox Monacular: looking really forward to the end of this winter:)
Fefonz Quan: I giess it makes also your skin wet and that adds to the cold feeling (like wind factor maybe)
Archmage Atlantis: Wol, I thought you were German!!!......I did not know you were part of the Canadian socialist forces :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: oh no, I am canadian :) I only moved here 15 years ago
Fefonz Quan: Germanadian
Wol Euler: :)
Fefonz Quan: well, some years to go till you get even
Fefonz Quan: (bad english I think)
Wol Euler: understood :)
Archmage Atlantis: All English is "bad".....it is a mutable language
Fefonz Quan: Hi Arisia
Arisia Vita: greetings all
Wol Euler: hello ari
Fox Monacular: hi Arisia
Archmage Atlantis: Forged of Celtic, Anglo, Latin....modified by Amerind,
Fefonz Quan: So as I said before, I will make it short today and try to accumulate some sleeping hours
Archmage Atlantis: espaniol
Fefonz Quan: take care friends, great to see you all here
Wol Euler nods.
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Wol Euler: take care of youreslf, fef, gute besserung
--BELL--
Arisia Vita: bye fef
Fox Monacular: take care Fefonz, good to see you
Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
Archmage Atlantis: _/!\_
Fox Monacular: Unfortunately I need to go do some work (was taking a break in SL:)
Fox Monacular: take care everyone
Wol Euler: awwww
Wol Euler: bye fox, take care
Wol Euler: dream well
Arisia Vita: be well and happy fox
Wol Euler: change of shift :) the evening crew coming on
Archmage Atlantis: k
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone :)
Wol Euler: helllo sophia
Wol Euler: ice to see you again
Wol Euler: +n
SophiaSharon Larnia: you too!
SophiaSharon Larnia: its funny, pab is kind of a time compass for me
SophiaSharon Larnia: i wake up and think of what time it is in relation to if a session is going on or not :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Arisia Vita: welcome boxy
SophiaSharon Larnia: even now
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Boxy
Korel Laloix: Take care all.
Wol Euler: hello boxy, bye korel
Korel Laloix: Bcak tothatdarn RL.
SophiaSharon Larnia: whereever you are ^^
Wol Euler: awwwww
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Korel
Wol Euler: be careful there
Alfred Kelberry: kori, be good
Archmage Atlantis: Hello boxy
Archmage Atlantis: I knew I sensed a puppy
Alfred Kelberry: kitty and woly - nice pair :)
Alfred Kelberry: archy :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok , so Arch disappeared for me but his fish are still here ?
Wol Euler: me too
Wol Euler: arch suddenly turned invisible
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Xirana :)
Wol Euler: hello xir
Arisia Vita: welcome xirana
Archmage Atlantis: In Harry Potter terms....I think I disapperated
Archmage Atlantis: oy vey
Xirana Oximoxi: thank you!!! good night everyone :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Alfred Kelberry: xiri :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: your name still shows, youre not completely in stealth mode
Xirana Oximoxi: sorry!!! I hate my laptop!!
Wol Euler: awwwww
SophiaSharon Larnia: SL on a laptop? shivers
Alfred Kelberry: sharon, i went to sl from a netbook in berlin :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh wow, yea
Alfred Kelberry: i could talk and move a little :)
Wol Euler: grumbling all the way :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: i was on a lap top too, not a top of the line one
Alfred Kelberry: ok, strip that deceiving woly's comment fro mthe log :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: i really dont know why i kept logging in actually
Wol Euler: heheheh
SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
Alfred Kelberry: ah, new outfit, woly
Alfred Kelberry: i like it
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: for the RP place
Wol Euler: mediaeval garb
Alfred Kelberry: smart girl from a little town
Wol Euler: the males are all warriors, the females either princesses or slaves
Wol Euler: so I chose this :)
Wol Euler: wb xir
Alfred Kelberry: wise :)
Alfred Kelberry: i'm still waiting for the identity workshop, btw :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Xirana
Xirana Oximoxi: hello!! good night everyone :)
Xirana Oximoxi: ty Sophia:)
Alfred Kelberry: identities and roles are much related
--BELL--
Wol Euler: true, boxy
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: ok, snapshot is taken :)
Archmage Atlantis: Am I defined by my outlines?, but that which moves past me?.......that is sorta spooky.
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks for the warning boxy
Alfred Kelberry: um, woly's this time, sharon :)
Wol Euler: my what?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :) i was kidding
SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry, have to go and make coffee, have fun
Wol Euler: bye sophia, take care
Xirana Oximoxi: bye sophia!!
Archmage Atlantis: Ari, may I ask what drew you here?
Archmage Atlantis: In a public way
Archmage Atlantis: As I just did
Arisia Vita: of course you may ask...
Arisia Vita: oh, you want an answer? :)
Archmage Atlantis: yepper
Arisia Vita: this is an easy one
Arisia Vita: I came to be with old friends, and hopefully find new ones
Alfred Kelberry: eh, don't like the angle that came out
Xirana Oximoxi: :) .. nice answer
Alfred Kelberry: background, in fact
Wol Euler smiles.
Alfred Kelberry: i came to learn more about architecture and excel files
Alfred Kelberry: *looks at woly*
Xirana Oximoxi: hahah
Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh then it was a seriuos answer:)
Archmage Atlantis: Ari, it troubles me to see into my insanity
Arisia Vita: then look somewhere else
Alfred Kelberry: xiri, it's a special case of the ari's answer :)
Archmage Atlantis: That I believe that the ships shall be set sail from Atlantis
Wol Euler: :)
Alfred Kelberry: all abord!
Alfred Kelberry: wait...
Alfred Kelberry: all aboard!
Archmage Atlantis: I cannot Ari
Archmage Atlantis: to do so
Archmage Atlantis: would not be who I am
Arisia Vita: then close your eyes, and see with your mind
Archmage Atlantis: The ships shall sail
Archmage Atlantis: Star set the gates
Archmage Atlantis: I opened the gate of life
Alfred Kelberry: btw, about insanity. anyone heard of the rosenhan experiment?
Archmage Atlantis: so shall it be
Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and namaste
Wol Euler: not yet
Wol Euler: bye arch, take care
Xirana Oximoxi: no boxy, can you explain a little?
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Arch! :)
Alfred Kelberry: they made healthy, normal people admitted into psychiatric institutions under false conditions (they claimed they heard voices)
Alfred Kelberry: all of them came in with a diagnosis schizophrenia
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: it took on average 2 weeks (if i recall correctly) for the staff to figure out they're actually normal before they were let go
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: they seemingly normal behavior was interpreted as abnormal given the curcumstances
Alfred Kelberry: by the doctors
Wol Euler nods.
Xirana Oximoxi: I was going to ask you what were considered 'normal' people :)
Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment
Alfred Kelberry: but what's interesting the patients figured them out much earlier :)
Alfred Kelberry: they thought they don't belong here
Wol Euler: The study concluded, "It is clear that we cannot distinguish the sane from the insane in psychiatric hospitals" <- wikipedia
Xirana Oximoxi: thanks Wol !!1... Several were confined for months. All were forced to admit to having a mental illness and agree to take antipsychotic drugs as a condition of their release. !!! :)
Alfred Kelberry: it emphasises how we're situationally dependant
Alfred Kelberry: they did some neat social psych in those times. before the strict ethical rules prohibited it.
Arisia Vita: I must fly, it was great being with you all, hope to see you again soon
Wol Euler: bye ari, take care
Arisia Vita: be well and happy
Alfred Kelberry: fly well
Alfred Kelberry: it's also interesting to experience role dissonance when two of your roles clash
Wol Euler: for example?
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Ari :)
Alfred Kelberry: when you talk on a phone with your loved one and suddenly your boss comes in :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Alfred Kelberry: or... you're a girl in sl and speak in male's voice :)
Wol Euler doesn't know anyone like that.
Alfred Kelberry: the identity workshop would be awesome
Wol Euler: it will be
Wol Euler: just not yet
Alfred Kelberry: so much interesting stuff on it
Wol Euler: yeah
Alfred Kelberry: and as a suggestion we could start with the social identity theory
Wol Euler looks it up+
Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_identity_theory
Alfred Kelberry: it basically says that the life is a stage and we're the actors :)
Alfred Kelberry: which was well noted long before social psych kicked in :)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: and here we are - just you and me :)
Alfred Kelberry: now the stage is bare...
Wol Euler: lights! camera!
Wol Euler: oh wow!
Wol Euler: when you look up like that, I can see into your body box - it is full of circuit boards!
Alfred Kelberry: ouch :)
Wol Euler: hehehe
Alfred Kelberry: where do i look anyway?
Wol Euler: do it again and hold it, I'll take a photo
Wol Euler: what you just did
Alfred Kelberry: i don't know. i didn't do anything.
Wol Euler: push your mouse up the screen
Alfred Kelberry: ah
Wol Euler: that was good, now hold still
Wol Euler: ok done
Wol Euler: ty
Alfred Kelberry: wee!
Alfred Kelberry: haha
Alfred Kelberry: neat
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: the secret revealed
Alfred Kelberry: anyway, i'll continue...
Wol Euler: please do
Wol Euler: actually I should go, have to get to bed soon
Alfred Kelberry: ...and i'm standing here with emptiness all around
Wol Euler: awwwwwww
Alfred Kelberry: and if you won't come back to me
Alfred Kelberry: then make them bring the curtain down
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: of course I'll come back, I always do.
Alfred Kelberry: yay! :)
Alfred Kelberry: woly took on the role wonderfully :)
Alfred Kelberry: experiment is a success!
Wol Euler smiles.
Alfred Kelberry: *pokes woly's nose*
Wol Euler: beep!
Alfred Kelberry: maybe you could make a red round clown nose
Wol Euler: ah :)
Alfred Kelberry: people would click you too :)
Wol Euler: there's an idea
Alfred Kelberry: btw, about those in power loving to bring up an enemy in a critical time. it's also laid out in the identity theory.
Alfred Kelberry: existence of a hostile group creates a counter group and unites people
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: no "us" without a "them" to hate
Alfred Kelberry: in this sense pab is interesting
Alfred Kelberry: it is certainlly a group and quite solid in principles and views while having people from various walks of life
Alfred Kelberry: but lack of hierarchy is the key, i think, and what lets it sustain for such long period of time
Alfred Kelberry: without much drama
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: also, it's amazing how people instantly draw conclusions based on various roles we partake on
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: that's why i'm generally reluctant to reveal them
Alfred Kelberry: once you say "i'm a teacher" - done, you created a set of expectations
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: even simple things like age
Wol Euler: people presume that a person of X years age must like certain things and dislike ohters
Alfred Kelberry: and even more so if you bring up a societal role (e.g. professor at yale)
Wol Euler: WoW players are surprised to find me amongst them at my advanced age.
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: yes, age is very powerful
Wol Euler: So I ask them "when do you think you will stop wanting to have fun?"
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: i've been asking that to myself :)
Alfred Kelberry: and each time end up with an image of a 50 years old doing inappropriate things :)
Wol Euler: define inappropriate
Alfred Kelberry: er...
Alfred Kelberry: not expected
Wol Euler: define expected
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Wol Euler: seriously
Alessa Tzal: Evening all
Wol Euler: by what right, on which standards?
Wol Euler: wotcha alesssa
Wol Euler: Big Boots.
Alfred Kelberry: a particular behavior that people expect of you in this role
Wol Euler: is age a role?
Alfred Kelberry: say a teacher must be smart and good with speeches
Alfred Kelberry: yes, that too
Alfred Kelberry: 20 years old is wild, bold and full of energy
Alfred Kelberry: 50 years old is considerate, mature, respectable
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: (we are talking about identity and roles etc)
Alessa Tzal: Good heavens
Wol Euler: yeah
Alfred Kelberry: oh, hi
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alessa Tzal: Hiya Mr Pup
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
Wol Euler: have you two met before?
Alessa Tzal: Yes I think
Alfred Kelberry: if we did, i don't remember :)
Alessa Tzal: Aww, thanks
Wol Euler: Alessa is an old friend
Wol Euler: and a cute kid
Alessa Tzal: YAY
Wol Euler smiles.
Alfred Kelberry: and she's got huge boots :)
Wol Euler: indeed
Alessa Tzal: and weirdly dressed
Alfred Kelberry: ah, the tail isn't scripted
Alessa Tzal: Sadly not
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alessa Tzal: can't win em all
Wol Euler: aye
Alessa Tzal: ere
Alessa Tzal: Mesh viewers can do funny things sometimes
Alessa Tzal: Boxy's ears are rainbow coloured
Alfred Kelberry: pic taken :)
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Alfred Kelberry: i'm on sl v3.5
Alfred Kelberry: all fine
Alessa Tzal: Ah, back to normal now
Alfred Kelberry: wait, 3.2.6
Wol Euler: um that is probably your graphics card dithering the firelight
Alfred Kelberry: 3d speak :)
Alessa Tzal looks for the fire
Wol Euler: well, torches
Alessa Tzal: Oh yes
Alessa Tzal: silly moi
Alfred Kelberry: woly, we shold do a breaching experiment on one of the sessions
Wol Euler: eh?
Alessa Tzal: A what?
Alfred Kelberry: i.e. breaking social norms
Alessa Tzal: Don't we do that all the time?
Alfred Kelberry: oni dance would be one of them, given it's not a pab session :)
Alfred Kelberry: ale, nope
Alessa Tzal: Ale?
Alessa Tzal: (hic)
Alfred Kelberry: in fact, we're very good in following the roles assigned
Alfred Kelberry: ales? :)
Alessa Tzal: Who assigned them?
Alfred Kelberry: we do, circumstances, other people
Alessa Tzal: I'll need to think about that
Wol Euler: my dears, I think I need to get to bed
Alfred Kelberry: say if you're invited for dinner at your boss's house, as a role of an employee and a visitor, it's not expected that you would start criticizing your boss's wife cooking abilities.
Alessa Tzal: Snoozle time
Wol Euler: take care, be happy
Alfred Kelberry: aww
Alfred Kelberry: auf, woly
Alessa Tzal: She would tho :)
Wol Euler: well, some of us would not criticize friends' cooking either :-P
Wol Euler grins.
Alessa Tzal: 'MY GOD WHAT IS THIS?'
Wol Euler: "you don't seriously expect me to eat this shit do you?"
Alfred Kelberry: as a simple example. you're not supposed to talk in an elevator in a role of an elevator rider :)
Wol Euler: heheh
Wol Euler: goodngiht!
Alfred Kelberry: ha!
Alessa Tzal: Box clever Alfie
Alfred Kelberry: that would be a whole different world, woly :)
Alfred Kelberry: bye folks :)
Alessa Tzal: Bye for now