2012.02.10 01:00 - Grumbling

Wol Euler was guardian for this session.

Alfred Kelberry: wow
Wol Euler: good morning, boxy
Alfred Kelberry: fancy chinese doll?
Wol Euler: heheh
Alfred Kelberry: except, the sit animation is wrong
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: seen the driveway? :)
Wol Euler: ?
Alfred Kelberry: check your email :P
Wol Euler: ah
Wol Euler: hehehehhe
Wol Euler: serves them right for not employing an architect :)
Alfred Kelberry: maybe there was one, but his excel calculation was wrong :)
Wol Euler: possible but unlikely, for financial reasons
Alfred Kelberry: cool hat, btw
Wol Euler: that's a brand new subdivision, all new houses in an all new area
Wol Euler: in North America such things are always built as complete units, speculative ventures by a single developer
Alfred Kelberry: oh
Wol Euler: they have a pattern book of standard types, they build 3 of type A, then 4 of type B ...
Alfred Kelberry: wow
Alfred Kelberry: impressive :)
Wol Euler: there was an architect to design those types, but that was probably fifteen years ago and two hundred miles away
Wol Euler: still, *someone* should have noticed
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: i'm going to send you more pictures like this. love your analysis :)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Alfred Kelberry: i assume you did take part in the booming construction before the 2008 crisis?
Wol Euler: indeed, we lived quite well from it, while it lasted
Wol Euler: and while our prime customer was in business
Alfred Kelberry: by my rough calculations you should own at least 2 yachts and 5 houses

--BELL--

Wol Euler smiles. You have a somewhat romanticized idea of architects :) Too many films.
Alfred Kelberry: yes, i suppose not much like the wall street folks
Alfred Kelberry: which sucks
Wol Euler: nope :)
Wol Euler: yep :)
Wol Euler: there are millionaire architects, sure; but they tend to be the very old owners of huge firms that were very successful 30 years ago
Wol Euler: Sir Norman Foster, for example
Alfred Kelberry: ah, the sir
Wol Euler: yep
Alfred Kelberry: you should start a company too
Wol Euler: too late
Wol Euler: well, I do intend to live a very long time, and to die at my desk, so perhaps it isn't
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: but the thing that made Foster rich and famous was his talent and hard work, and his Jobs-like ability to be a bastard to people who worked for him
Alfred Kelberry: ah, that
Wol Euler smiles.
Alfred Kelberry: i suppose it comes with the package
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: his dedication to a perfect concept came at the human cost of 80 hour workweeks for low wages for his staff
Alfred Kelberry: that's all good, but the real feat is to get a massive bailout and then pay yourself a multi-million bonus
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: which architects cannot do, sadly
Alfred Kelberry: yea
Wol Euler: giving government money to poor people is socialism! it's a bad thing.
Wol Euler: giving government money to rich people is the market forces working as they should :)
Wol Euler: QED
Alfred Kelberry: kudos to canada though
Wol Euler: for dropping out of the Kyoto protocoll?
Alfred Kelberry: conservative approach to banking worked
Wol Euler: ah, that :)
Wol Euler: I think it was more innate natural caution than any thought-out plan
Alfred Kelberry: i think it's culture
Alfred Kelberry: in that sense, i can emphasize another country that did well - germany
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: there is a similarity, yes
Alfred Kelberry: i hope the occupy movement will change the wall street mindset, but highly doubt it
Wol Euler: unlikely, in my view, because they are ignorant uninformed peasants motivated solely by jealousy
Alfred Kelberry: it's clear that the current condition is toxic
Wol Euler: (the mindset :)
Wol Euler: yes, it is, but that is only clear to those who are not inside it
Wol Euler: from inside it probably looks like paradise
Wol Euler: "jam today, jam tomorrow, what could be bad?"
Alfred Kelberry: that's how they presented it, yet i think they were all well aware of what they're doing
Wol Euler: sure, but htey were doing it to us, not to themselves. Point me at one single person who quit in protest
Wol Euler: they were delighted to take huge bonuses for poisoning the world's economy
Alfred Kelberry: i recall one guy shot himself during the enron scandal. that's about it.
Wol Euler: it went on for years, boxy. they kept on going back to work and throwing more shit into the system, day after day, year after year
Alfred Kelberry: yes
Alfred Kelberry: the saddest thing is that you really can't let them all fail
Wol Euler: because ... ?
Wol Euler: okay, wait, the banks as institutions probably do have to be saved

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: it'll be the cleansing that will bring down the credit system
Wol Euler: but let's fire every last bastard in them, and sue everyone who took part in the scam
Alfred Kelberry: agreed
Wol Euler: every penny of bailout money that was used for bonuses (and I do NOT give a shit how "bonus" is defined) MUST be paid back, with penalties
Wol Euler: personal and corporate
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Alfred Kelberry: good plan :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: I found a statistic somewhere, that the hourly wage of American factory workers increased by ten cents between 1970 and 2010. The hourly wage of factory owners increased by 14000 dollars.
Wol Euler: that is unjust, and probably unsustainable
Alfred Kelberry: wow
Wol Euler: unfortunately it seems like a kind of tragedy of the commons at work
Alfred Kelberry: well, if you ask me, by the damage that the wall street kings caused to people, i'd put them through spanish inquisition first
Wol Euler: agreed :)

Having exhausted our bile, we paused for a moment or two.

Alfred Kelberry: um...
Alfred Kelberry: no one's coming, i guess
Wol Euler: to what?
Alfred Kelberry: session
Wol Euler: we are here.
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Wol Euler: heheheheheh
Alfred Kelberry: first, it was just the circle. rotation was suggested by stev :)
Wol Euler: for the log: boxy has rezzed a faintly glowing red ring outside the cushions, we are sitting on it and rotating slowly around the fountain
Alfred Kelberry: oh, it's been covered in the logs a few times already :)
Wol Euler: ah
Alfred Kelberry: i think
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: it was 1 rpm, which seemed a bit fast, so now it's 0.5 rpm
Wol Euler: this is about right, I feel
Wol Euler: maybe even a little slower
Wol Euler smiles.
Alfred Kelberry: ok, after the pause, we'll try the boost mode :)
Alfred Kelberry: never been done before
Wol Euler grins.
Alfred Kelberry: :)

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: ok...
Wol Euler grins and holds on tight.
Alfred Kelberry: level 1
Wol Euler: wheeeeee
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: level 2
Wol Euler notes her hair and whips trailing behind
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: level 3
Alfred Kelberry: level 4! :)
Wol Euler: O.O
Wol Euler: this is now faster than my frame rate :)
Wol Euler: seeing a jumping-effect
Wol Euler: gah!
Alfred Kelberry: haha
Wol Euler: stop!!
Alfred Kelberry: level 5
Alfred Kelberry: special relativity effects are visible :)
Wol Euler: indeed
Alfred Kelberry: level 0
Alfred Kelberry: ommm
Wol Euler: much better!
Wol Euler: whew
Alfred Kelberry: brb

--BELL--

Wol Euler: this is very cosy, boxy.
Wol Euler: well, boxy that was a fascinating 15 silent minutes with you, but I have to get ready for work. Take care, be happy.