2012.02.12 01:00 - Celebrity is an awful thing

Wol Euler was guardian for this cheerful and chatty session.

Wol Euler: hello raffila
Wol Euler: I assume from your group tag that you have been here before?
Raffila Millgrove: Hello Wol. Just Raffi is fine.
Raffila Millgrove: no.. only visit first time earlier today. no one here then.
Wol Euler: oh, I see
Raffila Millgrove: i join group to see if any notice etc.
Wol Euler: okay, then I'll give you a notecard about our group, and a general introduction
Raffila Millgrove: yes i read it ealier.
Wol Euler: this is a meditation group called Play as Being
Wol Euler: okay :)
Wol Euler: there are meetings every six hours, 1am 7am 1pm 7pm
Wol Euler: between those times you might find people sitting here to meditate alone, but that is rare
Wol Euler: we do sometimes have special events, theme presentations and the like, but they are usually at the normal times
Raffila Millgrove: i saw announcements around for a Dream .. group... is that seperate group?
Raffila Millgrove: in the cafe.
Wol Euler: yes, it's made up mostly of people from here, but they meet elsewhere
Wol Euler: sunday at 1pm, I believe
Wol Euler: or monday ... to be honest I'm not sure
Raffila Millgrove: so you have to join that one too.. to find out on their activities?
Wol Euler: that isn't a formal "group" in the second life sense
Wol Euler: they meet regularly at that one time and place
Raffila Millgrove: ok
Raffila Millgrove: ty
Wol Euler: actually I do think it is monday at 1pm
Raffila Millgrove: i have been reading the kira website...
Wol Euler: oh, I forgot
Wol Euler: we too have a website, http://wiki.playasbeing.org/
Wol Euler: we record these sessions and publish them there, so that absent members can read what was said
Raffila Millgrove: yes i book mark that as well. and read it.
Wol Euler: good :)
Wol Euler: I have to ask though, for the Terms of Service: may we record and publish your SL name and your comments?
Raffila Millgrove: yes.
Wol Euler: thank you :)
Wol Euler: good morning, zon
Zon Kwan: heya
Wol Euler smiles.
Zon Kwan: iv lost alf of my head
Zon Kwan: half
Wol Euler: yeah
Wol Euler: check your inveintory, you are probably wearing a tattoo or an alpha layer item
Wol Euler: there
Wol Euler: Raffi, do you have a meditation practice?
Raffila Millgrove: not exactly... i have a rest the mind practice rather than thiking ...
Wol Euler: ah :) also a good idea!
Wol Euler: and actually very similar to meditation in its effect probably
Wol Euler: actually .. probably. Sigh. It's too early.
Zon Kwan: is it only me..hard to zoom so i can see all
Alfred Kelberry: woly girl!
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Wol Euler: boxy!
Wol Euler: zon, your camera might be muckd up. press ESC twice to restore the default
Alfred Kelberry: you're right on schedule, woly :)
Wol Euler: then try zooming
Wol Euler: what's new on this sunday morning, friends?
Alfred Kelberry: whitney houston...
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: sad ending

--BELL--

Zon Kwan: dead ?
Alfred Kelberry: yes
Wol Euler: the article in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung strikes a strange tone, between sadness and vicious rudeness
Alfred Kelberry: such was her life
Wol Euler: such also are their opinions about it
Wol Euler: easy to sit in comfortable anonymity in Frankfurt and draw a steady salary with no pressure but what to eat for lunch today
Wol Euler: I'm frankly offended by the article
Wol Euler: anyway.
Wol Euler: celebrity is an awful thing
Wol Euler: people throw rocks at you and then sneer at you when you bruise
Alfred Kelberry: yes, i agree, but that's part of being a celebrity
Wol Euler: sure, she didn't have to choose that. Could have been a dishwasher or an accountant ...
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Raffila Millgrove: i don't think that choosing to be a singer.. means that you understand what the celebrity angle will bring.
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: that's probably true
Alfred Kelberry: yes, one can only guess
Raffila Millgrove: starting out.. you cannot predict you will become "big".. maybe you become minor ..
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: we should ask, pema. he's a celebrity of sorts :)
Wol Euler: heheh
Wol Euler: of a different kind, though
Raffila Millgrove: what makes pema a celebrity?
Wol Euler: well, he has an asteroid named after him :)
Wol Euler: that is a kind of fame, in a fairly small circle of populaton
Wol Euler: he's written and co-written literally hundreds of astrophysics and astronomy papers
Raffila Millgrove: oh i knew the director of JPL (former).. he had a whole town in New Zealand named for him, his birthplace.
Wol Euler: wow :)
Wol Euler: okay, I think that beats an asteroid :)
Alfred Kelberry: it's simple really. the more people know your name, the more famous you are.
Wol Euler: true
Raffila Millgrove: tough call. i think i'd prefer the astroid.
Wol Euler: we should distinguish between fame (being known) and celebrity (being eaten alive by the media)
Raffila Millgrove nods.
Alfred Kelberry: same thing to me :)
Wol Euler: celebrity is the poisoned bit
Wol Euler: well, think about it for a while, boxy :)
Alfred Kelberry: you can't be famous without media
Wol Euler: sure
Raffila Millgrove: no.. a lot of people are known for this or that. and the media is not down their throat.
Wol Euler: right
Wol Euler: that is the difference
Wol Euler: you become famous for doing stuff well
Wol Euler: you become a celebrity for being famous

--BELL--

Wol Euler: it's an unrelated second layer
Raffila Millgrove: lot of people are celebs who do practically nothing of note.. they are sort of celebs for being celebs.
Wol Euler: exactly
Raffila Millgrove: Kim Kardassian? good grief.
Alfred Kelberry: raff, which means they're not famous enough
Wol Euler grins.
Alfred Kelberry: "eaten alive" is simply a level of one's fame
Wol Euler: no
Wol Euler: there is a difference between being known, and having hte media haunt your footsteps, interviewing your neighbours, examining your garbage cans
Wol Euler: nobody looks in Pema's garbage can
Wol Euler: because he's not a celebrity
Wol Euler: but he is famous
Alfred Kelberry: cause pema is not famous enough
Wol Euler: I suspect we could talk about this all morning without arriving at a conclusion :)
Raffila Millgrove: ok. let's do this. What if Einstein were alive today.. you think the media would be "eating him up"? it's a fair and kinda interesting question.
Wol Euler: no, they wouldn't
Wol Euler: because Pema is alive today, and Andrew Wylie is alive today ...
Raffila Millgrove: i don't think they would either and gosh you must admite--definately famous.
Wol Euler: these people will never be celebrities
Wol Euler: people who actually *do* things do not become celebrities
Alfred Kelberry: raff, i think they would
Wol Euler: you think that he'd be a celebrity if he came back from the dead :)
Wol Euler: because of his posthumous fame
Wol Euler: but if he'd remained alive teaching at Princeton he wouild be just another professor
Alfred Kelberry: yep, good conclusion :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: the difference is this: if you are famous people write about what you *do*
Wol Euler: if you are a celebrity, they write about what they think you *are*
Alfred Kelberry: yes
Wol Euler: which is why celebrity turns poisonous
Wol Euler: and journalists dig through garbage cans
Alfred Kelberry: and this difference is a measure of how famous you are :)
Wol Euler: no
Wol Euler: it is a difference of quality, boxy
Wol Euler: everyone in the world knows of Mother Theresa
Alfred Kelberry: well, quality is subjective
Raffila Millgrove: true but Houston seems to be fighting .. or was fighting a drug problem.. it's sad that this seems to be such a common backfire of success in entertainment.
Wol Euler: no journalist in the world would ever think to write about where she bought her socks
Wol Euler: because her fame is for what she does
Wol Euler: not who she is
Wol Euler: but yes, there is that theme
Raffila Millgrove: well frankly someone really kept the lid on regards Mother Teresa.. as she was known to be rather.. difficult.. outside her work. always had to fly first class for example.
Wol Euler: that might be a practical consideration: in first class people leave you alone
Wol Euler: but I admit your point
Alfred Kelberry: or she's just being a snobby old lady :)
Wol Euler: sure
Raffila Millgrove: well i enjoy to meet you all. and thank you for kind welcome. I have some rl to attend to now.
Wol Euler: nice to meet you too, raffi
Wol Euler: come back any time
Wol Euler: any session time :)
Raffila Millgrove: ty. you both have super avatars!
Wol Euler: awwwww :) thank you
Raffila Millgrove: just to be superficial.. but i think visual here is really important.
Wol Euler: yours is pretty good too. I like the handy rope :)
Raffila Millgrove laughs.
Wol Euler reads profiles.
Raffila Millgrove: bye now.
Wol Euler waves.
Alfred Kelberry: fame inevitably changes people and it's natural given the circumstances
Alfred Kelberry: er, bye :)
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
Wol Euler: fame changes them, but it is celebrity that drives them to madness
Wol Euler: or encourages a trend to madness that may have been htere in the first place
Alfred Kelberry: could be
Wol Euler: because plenty of musicians are not drug addicts, and many actors are not arrogant arseholes
Alfred Kelberry: i wouldn't write it all off to the media though
Wol Euler: it's like the Buddha said about the difference between pain and suffering
Wol Euler: how you react to it is your decision
Alfred Kelberry: good point :)
Wol Euler: I don't, boxy, clearly it's up to the individuals how they react

--BELL--

Wol Euler: but they are reacting *to* something which exists
Wol Euler: people who are not celebrities do not feel the pressure of being a celebrity
Alfred Kelberry: yes
Alfred Kelberry: in most cases you do at least consider this when you embark on a career of a musician or an actor
Wol Euler: I would hope that they do. I'd really hope that somebody sits them down and warns them of what is coming
Alfred Kelberry: it is a surprise when fame comes to a young actor, but hardly an amazing discovery
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: they basically get what they wish for
Wol Euler: and it must be said that most celebrities are accomplices in their own kidnapping :)
Wol Euler: all of these planted news stories
Wol Euler: like "carly simon is buying a new house"
Alfred Kelberry: maybe there should be courses on how to deal with fame :)
Alfred Kelberry: mandatory :)
Wol Euler: how do the journalists know that? because carly or her publicist TOLD them that!
Alfred Kelberry: eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: Hiya :)
Wol Euler: hello eliza
Wol Euler: this is early for you, or very late :)
Wol Euler: ooh, lovely dress
Eliza Madrigal: quite early
Eliza Madrigal: thanks :)
Alfred Kelberry: *studies eliza's outfit*
Alfred Kelberry: mmm...
Wol Euler: insomnia?
Eliza Madrigal: haha... I've worn this once before when we were doing the Angry Gods exhibit
Wol Euler: ah:)
Alfred Kelberry: beautiful :)
Eliza Madrigal: um, no, my body just thinks this is a good time to get up lately
Wol Euler: heh
Eliza Madrigal: I keep arguing that no, really it isn't
Wol Euler chuckles.
Alfred Kelberry: it's good to listen to one's body
Wol Euler: as long as your body lets you sleep at a correspondingly early time too ...
Wol Euler: and your family ...
Wol Euler smiles.
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: well at least I get to visit early sessions
Alfred Kelberry: yes, sometimes it wishes crazy things like 3 pieces of chocolate pie at midnight :)
Eliza Madrigal: hah, not really ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Wol Euler: :)
Eliza Madrigal: ice cream first thing in the morning too...
Wol Euler: mmmmm
Alfred Kelberry: *thinks i nailed eliza's real cause for being up* :)
Wol Euler: see, that is where the body and subconscious get their ideas from
Eliza Madrigal: hah... no... likely I will be up for aobut 30 minutes and go back to sleep... has been the pattern
Wol Euler: subconscious learns "hey, if we wake her up early, she'll give us ice cream!"
Wol Euler: like little kids
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Alfred Kelberry: what dream did you have?
Alfred Kelberry: woly :)
Wol Euler: ah :) okay
Eliza Madrigal: ooh actually i was dreaming interestingly... but it would sound weird here
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: as most dreams
Wol Euler grins.
Eliza Madrigal: nods
Wol Euler: save it for tomorrow then
Alfred Kelberry: nooo!
Alfred Kelberry: i want to hear :)
Wol Euler: so come to the dream workshop
Eliza Madrigal: yeah :)
Alfred Kelberry: she may forget later on :)
Wol Euler: not with both of us reminding her :)
Alfred Kelberry: tell if while it's fresh
Alfred Kelberry: it
Eliza Madrigal: you probably really don't... in this case I went back into an older dream to go deeper into a conversation about no-self,hah
Wol Euler: like Inceptoin
Alfred Kelberry: wow
Wol Euler: that is pretty cool
Eliza Madrigal: a bit... a few times there come these themes that come up again and again
Eliza Madrigal: mixture of happenings of the day, memory, what I'm reading...
Wol Euler listens.
Eliza Madrigal: but not my 'symbolism' in this one to write out...
Alfred Kelberry: what were the visuals?
Eliza Madrigal: i had felt before in this dream that there was 'one part' that I didn't remember... talking to someone and asking them questions
Eliza Madrigal: at a large house within a forest
Eliza Madrigal: but in this case I didin't go back through all that
Alfred Kelberry: eerie?
Eliza Madrigal: not really... comforting
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: I think I went back because it ws so comforting before
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: at the risk of muddying the waters of your recollection, that sounds very much like Halifax :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) yes it does
Alfred Kelberry: lovely
Wol Euler smiles.

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Boxy, the original dream had Windhorse Farm elements
Eliza Madrigal: giggling during the bell because my cam is hooked to boxy's ears
Eliza Madrigal: which makes my head nod back and forth each time he raises them
Wol Euler: I cannot now hear phrases like "a large house within a forest" without thinking of Windhorse
Eliza Madrigal: :) well I like this sort of dream because it is outside of the usual categories...
Eliza Madrigal: and, the impression started outside of dreaming
Eliza Madrigal: seeing the woman I talked to, so striking...
Eliza Madrigal: that is in RL...then came up in dreams hm, all this time later
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: the last dream brought me to find a book called What Is Self, from a Christian writer... Bernadette Roberts...
Eliza Madrigal: I'd heard about her years ago
Wol Euler: ha, serendipity, Adams was just blogging about her a day or two ago
Eliza Madrigal: yes? :)
Wol Euler: let me find the link
Eliza Madrigal: She makes a distinction between no-ego and no-self
Wol Euler: http://rubblebornthoughts.wordpress....7/trinity-670/
Eliza Madrigal: ty
Eliza Madrigal: thanks... clicking the video now...
Eliza Madrigal is sure the pepsi commercial isn't what adams wants the reader to see...
Eliza Madrigal: or maybe it is, lol
Wol Euler: ?
Eliza Madrigal: there was an embedded video on the page
Wol Euler: O.O
Wol Euler: not on my browser
Wol Euler: how strange
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm!
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
Wol Euler: anyway, you were looking for "What is Self" ...
Eliza Madrigal: yes I bought this quite a while ago but never read it...
Alfred Kelberry: yes
Eliza Madrigal: so now these dreams come up and it seems that's the thing to do
Alfred Kelberry: how many "never read" books do you have on your shelves?
Eliza Madrigal: not all that many actually :)
Wol Euler: over a hundred :)
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Alfred Kelberry: i got a few dozen
Wol Euler: in my defense, many of them are English language books that I can't conveniently buy here, so I stock up on things that look interesting
Eliza Madrigal: I go through often and either resell or give away
Alfred Kelberry: woly :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) It seems fine ... never know
Alfred Kelberry: how do you decide which one to resell or give away? a certain price value?
Eliza Madrigal: there is this huge book on my shelf that keeps saying "you read only part of me, how dare you" as I walk by
Wol Euler: hehehehe
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: If I know someone that seems obvious for something, I give them the book...
Wol Euler: right
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes think I've picked up something for someone else
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: this is our eliza :)
Alfred Kelberry: *pats your head*
Eliza Madrigal: kind
Wol Euler: I can get all Taoist about that, when the Moment says "this book belongs to them, not you"
Eliza Madrigal: :)) all Taoist about that
Eliza Madrigal: but yes
Alfred Kelberry: yes, it's sad how much of a displacement of things by need there is
Alfred Kelberry: things we have in our basements and don't care that others dream about
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Eliza Madrigal: nods...
Eliza Madrigal: a lot of people are coming up with ideas but long way to go
Eliza Madrigal: toward sharing better
Wol Euler nods.

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: early on in college i had a nice talk over this with an older guy i knew in his 40s and since then i'm careful (or try to be) when i buy things asking myself do i really need it
Eliza Madrigal: that's a gift, to have that conversation early
Alfred Kelberry: yes, very much so
Eliza Madrigal: :) what did he say that affected you?
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: it's interesting, i can't recall the words... but i do have a sense of understanding from this conversation :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: like my dream conversation :)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: heheh
Alfred Kelberry: it is really a bless to meet such people early in life
Eliza Madrigal: it is
Alfred Kelberry: berlin meetup was a one big bless of this kind for me :)
Wol Euler: awwwww <3
Eliza Madrigal: :)) I can tell... you are still beaming
Alfred Kelberry: will never forget the first time i saw woly :) and the first hug :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: awwwww
Wol Euler: at the train station :)
Alfred Kelberry: yes
Wol Euler: like Casablanca in reverse.
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: beautiful
Alfred Kelberry: yes, very lovely
Eliza Madrigal: feel like I was there sometimes, thanks for sharing such warm feelings from the time
Alfred Kelberry: oh, that's nice, eliza :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Alfred Kelberry: i actually often feel this way too when listen to other's traveling stories
Eliza Madrigal: isn't it funny
Eliza Madrigal: about your early conversation...
Eliza Madrigal: at WHF one thing I was so moved by was really SEEing people aim to live by 'take only what is given'
Eliza Madrigal: listening to the forest, watching so closely
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: that was striking
Eliza Madrigal: so there is an impartation more than a lesson
Eliza Madrigal: I can't say I've lived like this... lots of false starts and discouragements falling back into a kind of norm
Eliza Madrigal: but I'm learning
Wol Euler: that's the best anyone can hope for, I think :)
Alfred Kelberry: i think, eliza, are you're far ahead of many people in this respect :)
Wol Euler: we do what we can, and when we fall off the horse, we get up and dust off and get back on
Eliza Madrigal: :) well in this case I may be trying to get off the horse and stay off, hah
Wol Euler: heheheh
Wol Euler: same procedure in reverse, then :)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Wol Euler: "stay dismounted, dammit!"
Eliza Madrigal: 'that's not the mind to use'
Eliza Madrigal: let that one graze in the flower field
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: (this is my 4:30 - 5:30 AM mind ) haha
Alfred Kelberry: and a beautiful outfit for this occasion
Eliza Madrigal: :) thanks... little frilly
Eliza Madrigal: not sure very PaB ;-)
Wol Euler: frilly is good

--BELL--

Wol Euler: playful
Eliza Madrigal: that's what I thought
Eliza Madrigal: and I went to a ball last night for a little while... to benefit a suicide support group
Alfred Kelberry: oh yes, seen it in my mailbox
Eliza Madrigal: *suicide prevention (!)
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: yes, good correction :)
Wol Euler: hehehe
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Eliza Madrigal: :) I rarely send those notices but thought people might like the event
Alfred Kelberry: please do
Alfred Kelberry: i like knowing what events are going on in sl
Eliza Madrigal: so much!
Eliza Madrigal: few seem advertised under 'events'
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: I gave up looking at the official "events", it seemed to be all vampires and strange contests
Eliza Madrigal: yes!
Eliza Madrigal: if I were new i'd think vampires were 90% of SL
Wol Euler: but htat sounds a worthy event
Wol Euler: yeah
Alfred Kelberry: i never really looked at those - too flashy for my taste :)
Eliza Madrigal: when really only 80% or so... laughs
Wol Euler: certainly they are 90% of the Lab's publicity
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: i missed the whole vampires hype
Wol Euler: lucky :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Alfred Kelberry: hard being a teen when vampires are popular
Eliza Madrigal: we met the author of the teen books at first, but by the 3rd book my daughters didn't like them anymore
Wol Euler: I don't think it's ever easy being a teen, actually
Alfred Kelberry: yea
Eliza Madrigal: there was a huge void left by Harry Potter... a big social movement
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: looking for somewhere to go :)
Alfred Kelberry: missed harry too
Eliza Madrigal: aw
Alfred Kelberry: yet i've been called harry on numerous occasions
Eliza Madrigal: so many wonderful magical ideas there
Eliza Madrigal: :) there is something Harry-ish about Alfred
Wol Euler: my niece introduced me to Harry, I read all th books and have to admit that I enjoyed them greatly
Wol Euler: true, eliza
Eliza Madrigal: me too... I began with my oldest when she was 5...
Alfred Kelberry: maybe it's the non-conformist rebelion
Eliza Madrigal: and enjoyed them just as much
Wol Euler: (brb, RL intrudes)
Eliza Madrigal: when we began, no one knew about them
Eliza Madrigal: they were a homeschoolers secret :)
Alfred Kelberry: *wonders what rl is there at woly's door*
Eliza Madrigal: :) pizza? tea?
Alfred Kelberry: sounds good :)
Alfred Kelberry: maybe a neighbor telling woly to not throw glass into paper garbage bins :)
Eliza Madrigal: haha.... am sure Woly doesn't do that
Eliza Madrigal: maybe Woly telling neighbor
Alfred Kelberry: we'll find out shortly :)
Eliza Madrigal: =P~
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: :::waits with baited breath:::::
Eliza Madrigal: boxy are you able to give individual quote boxes like you did the ego box?
Eliza Madrigal: probably too complex?
Alfred Kelberry: er, qoutes for what?
Alfred Kelberry: no, not so much
Eliza Madrigal: ah
Alfred Kelberry: you mean for eliza to always say how beautiful she is? :)
Eliza Madrigal: I have an ego box :) I was inquiring about the box with quotes from past sessions
Alfred Kelberry: ah, pabbox?
Eliza Madrigal: yes!
Wol Euler: back, reading
Alfred Kelberry: oh, i see
Alfred Kelberry: so, you want to get logs from one particular person?
Eliza Madrigal: no.... I just liked the box and if it can't stay the whole time maybe it can be here sometimes
Wol Euler: agreed
Wol Euler: it was fun
Wol Euler: and useful
Eliza Madrigal: I think so
Eliza Madrigal: even the random lines
Alfred Kelberry: storm banned it
Wol Euler: O.O
Alfred Kelberry: i can only rez it while he's not here
Wol Euler: ah
Alfred Kelberry: for a short time
Eliza Madrigal: from being here all the time maybe....

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: but I'm sure a guardian who wants to have it out during their session would be okay
Alfred Kelberry: yep, left it a few times :)
Wol Euler: I can see his point, the playgoda does tend to fill up with junk
Alfred Kelberry: yes, someone has to look after it
Eliza Madrigal: nods, for sure I have trees and things returned to me all the time
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: so Wol, what was RL?
Alfred Kelberry: yes! :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: what was it?!
Wol Euler: work this afternoon :(
Alfred Kelberry: aww...
Eliza Madrigal: !
Alfred Kelberry: the boss
Wol Euler: not unexpected, just the confirmation
Eliza Madrigal: :(
Eliza Madrigal: enjoyable project?
Wol Euler: mostly
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: yeah, it's fine
Wol Euler: two (!) new competitions and a huge factory building
Eliza Madrigal: Congratulations
Wol Euler: yeah, our year is set :)
Eliza Madrigal feels like you were making a pool for a long time
Wol Euler: it was a long time! three and half years from the start of that competition to completion
Wol Euler: and in point of fact it still isn't really finished
Eliza Madrigal: oh my
Wol Euler: still checking invoices and pushing contractors to finish the last bits
Alfred Kelberry: this is THE pool
Wol Euler: people who aren't involved in the building process usually have no idea how long it really takes.
Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh now it makes sense...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: which is probably true of everything, come to think of it.
Eliza Madrigal: indeed so Wol
Alfred Kelberry: well, chinese can build a hotel in a month
Wol Euler: the huge amount of food prepping that restaurant kitchens do, for instance
Eliza Madrigal: yes, the swan swimming ferociously under the water
Wol Euler: heh, it's funny, this factory project has just acquired an incidental side item, a canteen/restaurant for 500 people

Warning: do not click on the following link. Really.

Alfred Kelberry: btw: http://i.imgur.com/yXzBq.jpg
Wol Euler: normally that would be a job on its own that we would be delighted to be working on :) here. it's just a minor complication
Eliza Madrigal: um... thanks? ack, Boxy
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: oh dear.
Alfred Kelberry: *evil grin*
Eliza Madrigal: hah Wol... maybe they'll throw in a nice park too
Wol Euler looks into the camera and speaks directly to the wiki-readers. Do not click that link. Really.
Eliza Madrigal: REALLY!
Alfred Kelberry: too late :)
Wol Euler: probably :)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Eliza Madrigal: "don't think of an elephant"
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Alfred Kelberry: wait, what was that with hte restaurant for 500 people?
Wol Euler: plus to be effective, I'd have to edit the log to put my warning before the link ... tricky
Wol Euler: yeah, just a little blob on the side of the factory (as it were)
Eliza Madrigal: it means Boxy, that avatar identity workshop is set for 2020... hehe....
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Eliza Madrigal: (teasing) :))
Alfred Kelberry: you're going to build it?
Wol Euler: sure
Alfred Kelberry: you said they bought it
Wol Euler: ????
Alfred Kelberry: "acquired an incidental side item"
Eliza Madrigal: added it to the original plan
Wol Euler: the project scope has been increased
Alfred Kelberry: ah
Eliza Madrigal: addendum
Wol Euler: sorry :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'd better go back to sleep....
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for lingering so longly
Wol Euler smiles and nods
Alfred Kelberry: right
Wol Euler: sleep well, eliza
Alfred Kelberry: and i'll go eat
Wol Euler: it was lovely to have you here today
Eliza Madrigal: thanks so much, great fun
Wol Euler: and I have to get ready for work
Wol Euler: hugs to the family, at a reasonable hour :)
Alfred Kelberry: majestic gown
Wol Euler: yes!
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hah... at least one is proably awake by now upstairs
Eliza Madrigal: :) Thanks again
Alfred Kelberry: thank you, woly
Eliza Madrigal waves, Hugs
Alfred Kelberry: lovely session
Wol Euler: it was :)
Alfred Kelberry: work well :)
Wol Euler: you too :)