The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Bruce Mowbray: 's current display-name is "Bruce".
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Zon!
Bruce Mowbray: Early birds, today!
Bruce Mowbray looks around for worms.
--BELL--1300
Bruce Mowbray: I note that all the furniture that was here earlier has disappeared.
Zon Kwan: heya
Bruce Mowbray: HEYA!
Zon Kwan: how are you?
Bruce Mowbray: I've just had a strange experience.
Bruce Mowbray: I am still feeling a bit weird about it.
Zon Kwan: listens
Bruce Mowbray: I seem to have a bit of lag here.
Bruce Mowbray: my previous entry in the chat log did not register.
Bruce Mowbray: (yet!)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi guys
Agatha Macbeth: Laggy?
Zon Kwan: hi Aga
Agatha Macbeth: Damn I'm grey again
Zon Kwan: waves
Agatha Macbeth: WB Brucie
Bruce Mowbray: still rezzing.
Bruce Mowbray: TY!
Agatha Macbeth: If it's any consolation you look okay to me
Bruce Mowbray: thank you. did we lose Zon?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah that's better: changed skin
Agatha Macbeth: Oh him too?
Bruce Mowbray: he was here earlier.
Agatha Macbeth: I know
Agatha Macbeth: Must be Sunday syndrome
Bruce Mowbray: KK.
Bruce Mowbray: As I was explaining to Zon, I've just had a weird experience in Second Life.
Agatha Macbeth: But according to my lag meter all seems fine
Bruce Mowbray: one that has aroused a bit of guilt . .
Agatha Macbeth: OH?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh? (rather)
Bruce Mowbray: yes.
Agatha Macbeth: Is it something you can discuss?
Bruce Mowbray: I was attending Seth Haalen's class ---
Agatha Macbeth: Oh Seth
Agatha Macbeth: I know him
Bruce Mowbray: yes.
Bruce Mowbray: I think so yes.
Agatha Macbeth: Know *of* him
Bruce Mowbray: well, I try to attend his classes regularly.
Bruce Mowbray: and today, suddenly, he said he was "tired" and needed to leave. . .
Agatha Macbeth: Is he still at Reflection Island?
Bruce Mowbray: yes he has.
Bruce Mowbray: he is*
Agatha Macbeth nods
Bruce Mowbray: not inappropriate,
Bruce Mowbray: but apparently interrupting his chain of thought . .
Bruce Mowbray: I had made several comments . . .
Bruce Mowbray: WOW!
Bruce Mowbray: the chat log is not getting my comments in order . . .
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I wondered
Bruce Mowbray: I don't know why this is.
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Bruce Mowbray: anyway, Seth had to leave early -- saying he was " tired" ....
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Bruce Mowbray: and I felt guilty about that, having interjected so many comments.
Bruce Mowbray: others in the group tried to reassure me that it was not my "fault."
Agatha Macbeth: You felt you drove him away?
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Wollie
Bruce Mowbray: so I can build on that, I guess.
Wol Euler: evening all
Bruce Mowbray: yes I did feel that.
Bruce Mowbray: or perhaps exhausted him.
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Wol!
Agatha Macbeth: Well he may indeed have just been tired like he said
Wol Euler waves.
Agatha Macbeth: Perhaps you are making yourself feel needlessly guilty
Bruce Mowbray: You know, there really is an ethical component to interactions in Second Life.
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Bruce Mowbray: a drop approaches.
Agatha Macbeth: (I sent Wollie a nc to enlighten her)
--BELL--1500
Bruce Mowbray ponders "needlessly guilty." My typist felt guilty when Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, and also when his brother was assassinated in California. He was in both places ( my typist.) so he connected himself and the events - through guilt.
Agatha Macbeth: At least you weren't around when MLK died :p
Agatha Macbeth: (Sorry)
Wol Euler leans across and gives your hand a squeeze
Bruce Mowbray: I was not around then, but I was a teacher in a school that went absolutely crazy the next day.
Agatha Macbeth: You know Brucie people base very elaborate theories on way less than that!
Bruce Mowbray: ( after MLK's assassination.)
Agatha Macbeth: Usually involving the CIA and Martians
Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps it is a confusion- conflagration of the rational and the affective domains of consciousness . . .
Agatha Macbeth: But seriously I wouldn't worry about the Seth business
Bruce Mowbray: kk, thanks.
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, my FS prefs seem somewhat buggered up, dunno why
Bruce Mowbray: I guess that ' guilt' is a way of connecting experiences . . .
Agatha Macbeth: Hope SL ain't acting up again
Agatha Macbeth: Well it's mainly a way of making you feel guilty
Bruce Mowbray: ( I am experiencing extreme lag.....)
Bruce Mowbray: even out of order chatlog entries.)
Bruce Mowbray: I shall re-log --- see if it gets better.
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, SS again
Agatha Macbeth: You seemed to be glowing too
Agatha Macbeth: Oh...gone
Agatha Macbeth pokes you
Wol Euler: ow
Agatha Macbeth: Hope he comes back
Wol Euler: probably
Agatha Macbeth: Strangely enough I seem unusually lag free
Agatha Macbeth: Yay Bert's on
Wol Euler waits for the notice
Agatha Macbeth: Yes I must ask Bruce about that when he returns
Agatha Macbeth: There we go
Wol Euler: ta.daaaa
Agatha Macbeth: Now I*did* get that one!
Wol Euler smiles.
--BELL--1300
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Wol Euler: wb bruce
Agatha Macbeth: WB Brucie
Bruce Mowbray: My typist seems to have this neurotic, perhaps irrational, need for connection . . .
Agatha Macbeth: Did you get Bert's notice?
Bruce Mowbray: so he is willing to make connections through guilt --- if necessary ---
Bruce Mowbray: and how crazy is that?
Bruce Mowbray: and my connection seems much much faster now.
Bruce Mowbray: yes I did receive Bert's notice.
Agatha Macbeth: Well I'd call it irrational
Bruce Mowbray: although still out of order.
Wol Euler: fairly typical human behaviour, bruce
Wol Euler: or so it seems to me
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps now you know why I make a distance between Bruce and his typist.
Bruce Mowbray: Bruce's typist is human, alas.
Bruce Mowbray: but Bruce is not!
Agatha Macbeth: Perhaps the fish make a difference
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh! the fish!
Agatha Macbeth pokes Blub
Bruce Mowbray: I trust you're not just making a finny pun, good aggers!
Agatha Macbeth: Moi?
Agatha Macbeth: Actually John Peel was present when Oswald was shot, but as fair as I know he didn't blame himself for it
Bruce Mowbray: I am now getting legs of over 30 seconds . . .
Agatha Macbeth: Legs?
Bruce Mowbray: and some of my entries are not even registering.
Bruce Mowbray: a friend recently told me that solar flares this week has been greater than ever in history.
Bruce Mowbray: I wonder if that's causing some disruption with our world....
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, but what about pre-history?
Bruce Mowbray: lags* sorry.
Bruce Mowbray: prehistory?
Agatha Macbeth: Could have been more then and how would we know about it?
Bruce Mowbray: well for sure.
Bruce Mowbray: sort of players have probably been happening for quite a while.
Agatha Macbeth nods sagely
Bruce Mowbray: solar flares*
Agatha Macbeth: 'Sort of players' - I like that
Bruce Mowbray: I wish my typist would stop trusting Dragon.
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Even's Zen's wasn't this bad
Bruce Mowbray: he just clicks the enter key -- no matter what.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, this one is pretty bad!
Bruce Mowbray: and blaming solar flares doesn't quite seem appropriate, either.
Agatha Macbeth: How exactly does it transfer what you say to the screen in print?
Bruce Mowbray: I have no idea, aggers.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah well
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps I should look into the inner workings of it.
Bruce Mowbray: And maybe that's part of the problem....
Bruce Mowbray: once again, it has entered my chat statements out of order.
Agatha Macbeth: Was just pondering your settings
Bruce Mowbray: do you mean settings in Second Life -- or do you mean settings with the Dragon?
Agatha Macbeth: Does the guy at home have trouble typing then?
Agatha Macbeth: Dragon
Bruce Mowbray: (I can't even get Blub to swim. And I have tried numerous times!)
Bruce Mowbray: I will try again.
Agatha Macbeth: I poked him- didn't work
Bruce Mowbray: no luck.
Bruce Mowbray: completely disconnected.
Agatha Macbeth: A lagged fish, all we need
Bruce Mowbray: I will send him back to the aquarium.
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Bruce Mowbray: better now.
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe you need a fish instead of a dragon
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
Agatha Macbeth: WB
Bruce Mowbray: ty.
Bruce Mowbray: Do either of you fair ladies do the guilt thing?
Bruce Mowbray: it's the world's most useless emotion.
Agatha Macbeth: Well my ARC is only 336, so no guilty
Bruce Mowbray: but my typist does it regularly.
Agatha Macbeth: Not me personally
Bruce Mowbray: nods.
Wol Euler: actually yes
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Bruce Mowbray: listens carefully.
Agatha Macbeth: Guess I've learned to be selfish
Wol Euler: about many things, often out of the deep past
Wol Euler: in fact usually so
Bruce Mowbray: nods, relates and identifies.
Wol Euler: I put this down to my having become a better person during the last few decades
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we all have
Agatha Macbeth: (You make yourself sound about 100 btw)
Bruce Mowbray: I mean, just because my typist happened to be enrolled in college in Dallas when the assassination happened, why on earth would he feel guilty about that?
Bruce Mowbray: I mean he didn't pull any triggers, join any conspiracies.....
Agatha Macbeth: Coincidence
Wol Euler: well, let's examine it.
Bruce Mowbray: kk, listens.
Wol Euler: what does he think that he did wrong?
Wol Euler: or didn't do that he should have done´
Wol Euler: is there any specificity to the feeling?
Agatha Macbeth gets the couch ready
Bruce Mowbray: I think he might feel that he could have prevented it, if somehow he had done something really really weird... something that might have attracted the attention away from the president.
--BELL--1345
Wol Euler: for example?
Bruce Mowbray: [Stood in the way of the motorcade at Daley Plaza.]
Bruce Mowbray: totally naked.
Bruce Mowbray: and screaming out loud.
Bruce Mowbray: then the motorcade would've taken another route.
Agatha Macbeth: But why would you have done that?
Wol Euler: not a chance. The cops would have tackled you and carried you aside
Bruce Mowbray: to save the president's life, of course
Agatha Macbeth: But you didn't know his life was in danger!
Wol Euler: they wouldn't re-route a parade for one single pedestrian
Bruce Mowbray: and how irrational can you get?
Bruce Mowbray: yes, and my ignorance of the matter is the source of my guilt...
Agatha Macbeth: So basically what you feel guilty about is not being psychic?
Wol Euler: yes, back to the issue
Bruce Mowbray: well, I did say right up front that it was irrational.
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like you were up front right Brucie
Bruce Mowbray: How so, aggers?
Wol Euler: but irrationality never stopped any human from having feelings
Agatha Macbeth: (About being irrational)
Wol Euler: did it? :)
Bruce Mowbray: oh that!
Bruce Mowbray: my normal condition!
Agatha Macbeth sighs
Agatha Macbeth: Poor Brucie
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Agatha Macbeth tugs your antlers
Bruce Mowbray: there is so much lag today, and so many out of order chat entries ---- methinks that Second Life itself has become irrational.
Bruce Mowbray: and maybe I should feel guilty about that!
Agatha Macbeth: Probably was to start with
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Unless Rosedale is griefing LL for a laugh
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps.
Bruce Mowbray: this week I received three notices from Bert . . .
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes!
Bruce Mowbray: about his meditation session " that would begin in a few minutes."
Bruce Mowbray: what's going on here?
Agatha Macbeth: Did you get the real one just?
Bruce Mowbray: yes I did, ty.
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Bruce Mowbray: and I have a feeling that my typist really needs it this week.
Agatha Macbeth: Well they are obviously being generated by SL randomly
Agatha Macbeth: The question is: why only you?
Bruce Mowbray: there's something going on . . . that's why earlier in the week I raised the question of stochasticity - randomness.
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I think I remember that
Bruce Mowbray: I mean . . it seems that only Xir and I received such notices.
Wol Euler: it seems highly likely to me that the lag bruce experi3ences is related to the multiple notices
Agatha Macbeth: Xira too?
Bruce Mowbray: yes!
Bruce Mowbray: Xir too!
Agatha Macbeth: But she doesn't even go
Bruce Mowbray: I know!
Bruce Mowbray: so tell me what is the connection between southern Ohio and the Pyrenees?
Agatha Macbeth: That's damn silly
Bruce Mowbray: ( where Xir lives.)
Bruce Mowbray: yes it is silly....
Wol Euler: both have dubious internet relay stations somewhere int hte chain
Agatha Macbeth: Especially as Bert is in Germany
Bruce Mowbray: nods.
Bruce Mowbray: blame it on the solar flares.
Bruce Mowbray: or just on . . . Being Itself?
Bruce Mowbray: these things happen, you know.
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray: Being is an interesting gal, to say the least.
Agatha Macbeth: Or the Sort of Players
Bruce Mowbray ponders Being as a "player."
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder when the next good eclipse is?
Bruce Mowbray: (notice how deftly my typist worked in phenomenology . . . ha ha!)
Wol Euler: probably she's a cousin to Lady Luck
Bruce Mowbray: for sure, she must be!
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Bruce Mowbray: Lady luck, and guilt . . . Oh dear!
Agatha Macbeth: It's those Fates doing their spinning
Bruce Mowbray: nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Lions and tigers and bears
Bruce Mowbray: thank you, ladies, I am off to Bert's.
Agatha Macbeth: Moi aussi
Bruce Mowbray: may you be happy and well.
Wol Euler: yup