The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.

Bruce Mowbray: Heya, ara!
arabella Ella: Hiya Brucie!

--BELL—

arabella Ella: How are you doing?
arabella Ella: Lovely to see you
Bruce Mowbray: I am well, but worried about Eliza.
Bruce Mowbray: Lovely to see you too.
arabella Ella: yes? what happened?
Bruce Mowbray: Eliza has an earache.
Bruce Mowbray: she is taking antibiotics for it.
arabella Ella: oh no! poor Eliza!
Bruce Mowbray: yes, earaches can be very painful.
arabella Ella: that can be very painful
Bruce Mowbray: nods.
arabella Ella: snap
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: I'm also a bit worried about Mick.
arabella Ella: yes?
Bruce Mowbray: since he's not arrived yet.
arabella Ella: well as far as I am aware
Bruce Mowbray: I have no idea whether he will be here today or not,
arabella Ella: Mick was not sure whether he could make it today
Bruce Mowbray: but normally Mick and Eliza co-host this session.
arabella Ella: and I think he said he gave Eliza a dream just in case he did not make it altho he said he would make an effort to be here
Bruce Mowbray: She might have sent the dream to me... I will check.
arabella Ella: ok
Bruce Mowbray checks email.
arabella Ella: if you allow me a few mins i will check mine too on another device not to crash here
Bruce Mowbray: kk.
arabella Ella: Micko is here!
Bruce Mowbray: Eliza wrote (in an email): ‘Great, thanks Bruce. I'll get Mick's dream to you soon, just in case. I'm working on the getting better thing and will still try to make it - just not looking good. :)’
arabella Ella: so all should be in order now
Bruce Mowbray: Yayyy!
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Qt.
Qt Core: Hi Bruce, Ara, Mick
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Mick!
arabella Ella: Hiya Mick we are both so glad to see you here!
Mickorod Renard: Hiya
arabella Ella: Buona sera Qt!
Bruce Mowbray: Are we ever!
Mickorod Renard: why what’s happened?
Bruce Mowbray: nothing, just wondering whether you would show up with the dream that Eliza may have given to you...
arabella Ella: because nothing has happened that's why he he
Mickorod Renard: aha
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: she said she was going to give it to me but nothing showed up.
Bruce Mowbray: (but that was in case you couldn't make it today, Mick.)
Mickorod Renard: now then, I gave Eliza a dream cos I am away on holiday and didn’t think I could get on today
Mickorod Renard: so don’t panic, I am here
Mickorod Renard: he he
Mickorod Renard: how is everyone?
Bruce Mowbray: Do you still have a copy of the dream that you gave to Eliza, Mick?
Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara, qt and Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: I'm doing well, thank you.
Bruce Mowbray: are we going backwards in this discussion?
Mickorod Renard: great
Mickorod Renard: he he
Mickorod Renard: I may be
Mickorod Renard: ok, somewhere I have the dream
Bruce Mowbray: no problem, sometimes that's how dreams work, you know
Mickorod Renard: let me peek in my inventory
Mickorod Renard: although,,if anyone else has a dream?
arabella Ella: Hiya Mick I'm fine thanks how are you?
Mickorod Renard: cool thanks Ara
Bruce Mowbray: do you have a dream, Qt or ara?
arabella Ella whispers and I think you need to claim the session for the log
arabella Ella: I don’t have any dreams which can go public regretfully :(
Bruce Mowbray: yayy, aggers is online.
Qt Core: no, i know i had a dream lately but no real memory of it
arabella Ella: me too Qt
Bruce Mowbray: I feel exactly the same way, QT.
Mickorod Renard: ok I found it
Bruce Mowbray: Yayyy!
Mickorod Renard: here it comes
arabella Ella: i wake up some mornings tell myself this would make a great dream for discussing and in no time at all the memory fades!
Bruce Mowbray: (me too, ara.)
Bruce Mowbray: ty, Mick.
arabella Ella: ty Mick
arabella Ella: am reading it
Bruce Mowbray: (also reads dream).

Mick’s dream – July 2, 2015

This dream was a bit odd..OK they all are, he he .

I was in this sort of top gear motoring TV program. The team had been sent to what looked like a north African country to test some vehicles. My vehicle was an old 1930's style part sedan part agricultural , shiny black with chrome grill and bonnet job. In reality I have never seen anything like it but in the dream it worked.

The challenge was to test the vehicles capability at hauling three 20Ft long 6inch diameter Archimedes screws made of heavy iron which were chained to the back of the vehicle up over a hill on a rough sandy surface.

The vehicle coped well pulling on the flat but as we started on the hill there was much wheel spinning. Eventually, after creating much dust, smoke and noise I made it up the hill where I abandoned the car and started to walk back. As I walked back the challenging hump, which caused most issues, became an enclosed bridge like that over the river in Florence. Here along the walkway in the bridge were many people passing by in Arab type clothing and also restoration materials laid out on the edges. It was quite interesting. As I exited the bridge walkway I came to the vista of the terrain I had embarked on the hill climb.

The view was now different in that it was clear and uncluttered by the mission that I was on before. Now I had peace and calm and time to look around. I looked downwards and saw a huge landscape of a rich red, more red than terracotta. The vastness was sparsely dotted with strange buildings that were similar to the old beehive hairdo's that women had in the 60's. A bit like upturned alibaba clothes baskets. Running through this landscape was a river that was cut into the flatland and it seemed to be fast flowing and fresh with many people bathing in it. As I turned slightly and looked back at the strange bridge that I had just returned through I saw beyond it terraced buildings on the hillside. The whole feeling was likened to the early morning when the sun burns off the mist on a fine summers day. There was no signs of trees or crops on the land or along the river. I thought about a Martian landscape.

The end

arabella Ella: what is an Archimedes screw?
Mickorod Renard: like a spiraling tube
arabella Ella: ok ty
Mickorod Renard: helter skelter ish
Bruce Mowbray: hmmmm.
Bruce Mowbray: The Archimedes screw is a simple tool . . . I will find you a link for it, ara.
arabella Ella: thanks Bruce
Mickorod Renard: they have featured in my dreams before
Mickorod Renard: especially 3
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.google.com/search?q=Archimedes+screw&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=TpuVVa7THYnEsAW69r74Cw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1040&bih=522
Mickorod Renard: or three blades
arabella Ella: Thanks
Mickorod Renard: thanks bruce for the link re Archimedes
arabella Ella: and it says it was originally used to transfer water to higher levels
Bruce Mowbray: In agricultural endeavors, the Archimedes screw is called an auger -- and is commonly used for moving grain into grain bins (or out of them).
arabella Ella: cool
Mickorod Renard: yes, very useful even today
Bruce Mowbray: :)

--BELL—

arabella Ella: brb
Mickorod Renard: so, it was not so fraught with anxiety , this one
Bruce Mowbray: for sure, Mick.
Mickorod Renard: thank goodness
Mickorod Renard: :)
Bruce Mowbray: the Archimedes screw is interesting though...
Bruce Mowbray: you wrote: “The challenge was to test the vehicles capability at hauling three 20-Ft long 6-inch diameter Archimedes screws made of heavy iron which were chained to the back of the vehicle up over a hill on a rough sandy surface.”
Bruce Mowbray: It seems to me that trnsporting the screws presented a problem in more ways than one...
Mickorod Renard: yes, I am unsure to what this was for
Mickorod Renard: I didn’t pick up on anything during the dream
Bruce Mowbray remembesr that the Archimedes screw is a tool . . . a device for moving something from one place to another.
Bruce Mowbray: but in the dream you are also moving the tool itself from one place to another and encountering obstacles in that effort.
Mickorod Renard: the screws did surprise me..
Mickorod Renard: ahh yes
Bruce Mowbray: nods.
Mickorod Renard: so maybe I was trying to find a way to shift some thoughts
Mickorod Renard: or state of mind
Bruce Mowbray: so the vehicle that you speak of ---“this 1930’s style part sedan part agricultural vehicle . . .”  Well, something is certainly being shifted, it seems to me anyway
Mickorod Renard: it was an uphill struggle
Mickorod Renard: but after I completed it,  all was well
Bruce Mowbray: yes, that's what I mean: an uphill struggle... a struggle to move the vehicle for moving (the screws) perhaps into some positions so that they could be used???
Mickorod Renard: yes, and afterwards all changed
Bruce Mowbray ponders "a rough sandy surface"
Mickorod Renard: dry and arid
arabella Ella: could you tell us more about how 'all changed' Mick ... am back
Mickorod Renard: hi
arabella Ella: Hiya
Bruce Mowbray: This does seem to be some sort of successful resolution: "Now I had peace and calm and time to look around. I looked downwards and saw a huge landscape of a rich red, more red than terracotta."
Mickorod Renard: yes, Bruce and I were talking about the screws and they are a tool for moving
arabella Ella: yes
Bruce Mowbray: yes.
Mickorod Renard: and the vehicle struggling to pull
arabella Ella: i caught up with the chat thanks
Mickorod Renard: afterwards peace
Bruce Mowbray: "The whole feeling was likened to the early morning when the sun burns off the mist on a fine summer day."
Mickorod Renard: yes!
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Mickorod Renard: I had forgotten my own words
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha.
arabella Ella: the way i see it is that you needed a challenge, you gave yourself a very difficult challenge, you overcome it and that success gave you peace and calm
Mickorod Renard: the feeling of lift
arabella Ella: or a feeling of peacefulness
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, aggers.
arabella Ella: Hiya Aggers!
Mickorod Renard: yes, euphoric
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
Mickorod Renard: Hi Ags
Agatha Macbeth: Ta
Qt Core: Hi Aga
Bruce Mowbray wonders if Mick will eventually claim this session.
Mickorod Renard: just given you the dream Ags
Agatha Macbeth: Are there two of you Mick?
arabella Ella: to me that landscape sounds like a beautiful desert landscape with all its perils etc
Qt Core: are dream sessions claimed ?
Mickorod Renard: only one me I think
Agatha Macbeth: I don't see you as being online
Bruce Mowbray: I would be happy to claim it for you, Mick.
Agatha Macbeth: Which is weird
Mickorod Renard: if you would I would be very happy, Bruce
Mickorod Renard: thank you
Bruce Mowbray: we post these sessions in the wiki, yes, but we only post the dream itself with the permission of the dreamer.
Mickorod Renard: I am on some odd network Ags
Bruce Mowbray: Do I have your permission to post your dream, Mick?
Mickorod Renard: yes for sure, Bruce
arabella Ella: I see Mick as being online
Mickorod Renard: I can recall the feeling of great calm in the dream
arabella Ella: was the bridge some form of transition I wonder?
Mickorod Renard: good point Ara
Mickorod Renard: it didn’t seem to be there on the way up
Mickorod Renard: but on return it was, and it had been subject to some restoration work
Agatha Macbeth: My my
Mickorod Renard: that could represent repairs to my own self??
Mickorod Renard: in the head
Agatha Macbeth: I always think Arizona looks like Mars
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Mickorod Renard: never been there
Agatha Macbeth: Or New Mexico, that part of the world
Bruce Mowbray: I've never been to Mars either.
Agatha Macbeth: The red country
Mickorod Renard: no, me neither, Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: except in dreams, perhaps?
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: The sky is pink on Mars
Mickorod Renard: I struggle with colours
Bruce Mowbray: how do you mean, Mick?
Agatha Macbeth: Do you win or do they?
Mickorod Renard: but I believe the sky in the dream was largely pink
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Agatha Macbeth: And beehive buildings
Bruce Mowbray: ah, I see now -- you struggled to recall the colors in your dreams?
Mickorod Renard: I am very badly colour deficient
Bruce Mowbray: Well, don't feel so bad about it. Colors, after all, are merely reflected light.
Mickorod Renard: in normal life I cannot distinguish between many colours
Agatha Macbeth: Like blue and green?
Bruce Mowbray: I have taken color discrimination tests recently that indicated I have the same challenge, Mick.
Mickorod Renard: ha ha ,,it depends on shades too Ags
Agatha Macbeth: Oh

--BELL—

Agatha Macbeth: What a shame
Mickorod Renard: very frustrating
arabella Ella: many people confuse brown and red too
Bruce Mowbray: I was wondering if you saw anything in "no signs of trees or crops on the land or along the river"
Mickorod Renard: yes, me too
Agatha Macbeth: How did the alien landscape relate to the earlier part then?
Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce, that was odd
Bruce Mowbray: yes, excellent question, Agatha.
arabella Ella: did it all seem to be like a desert except for the bridge and the beehive buildings?
Agatha Macbeth: You crossed the bridge from one world to another?
arabella Ella: or was there a huge clear distinction?
Mickorod Renard: well, I was too engrossed in the challenge during the early part
Mickorod Renard: it seemed typically desert
Bruce Mowbray: "Running through this landscape was a river that was cut into the flatland and it seemed to be fast flowing and fresh with many people bathing in it." -- this seems very hopeful... promising, and optimistic.
arabella Ella: what did you see while you crossed the bridge besides the part that it was being restored or had been restored
Mickorod Renard: but after the bridge it was as if morning mist had lifted
Bruce Mowbray nods and pauses.
Mickorod Renard: I saw many people crossing the bridge, in many types of dress
arabella Ella: were there any memories from for example India in the dream?
Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce....it seemed as if vegetation was not necessary
arabella Ella: or as you walked along the bridge?
Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
Mickorod Renard: the bridge was an enclosed one..medieval in style
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh!
Mickorod Renard: like the one in Florence
arabella Ella nods and listens
Bruce Mowbray: the Ponte Veccio
Mickorod Renard: and had windows in the sides
Agatha Macbeth: Good heavens
Mickorod Renard: couldn’t see through but they shone lots of light through
Bruce Mowbray: very hopeful, indeed.
Bruce Mowbray: a fascinating transition.
Agatha Macbeth: WB Qt
Mickorod Renard: so inside the bridge was well lit
arabella Ella: yes it sounds like a very hopeful dream to me too!
Bruce Mowbray: wb, Qt.
Mickorod Renard: with stone pathway
Qt Core: ty
Mickorod Renard: hi Qt
Mickorod Renard: just signs of repair work, mainly stone
Mickorod Renard: but I did ask myself why there was no vegetation
Agatha Macbeth: No cacti?
Mickorod Renard: being grown on the land or besides the river
Mickorod Renard: maybe it wasn’t relevant
arabella Ella: it is also strange how you expected vegetation in a desert like reddish landscape
Mickorod Renard: well, the river was very life-giving in feeling
Bruce Mowbray: for sure the river was very life-giving.. you also looked back on the transition:  As I turned slightly and looked back at the strange bridge that I had just returned through I saw beyond it terraced buildings on the hillside."
Mickorod Renard: yes, this too was nice, a sort of Shangri-La experience
Bruce Mowbray: indeed.
arabella Ella: please say more ...
Bruce Mowbray listens for more.
Mickorod Renard: well, from the arid dust and nothingness became the unexpected richness of buildings and life
Bruce Mowbray: I cannot help but compare this to what you told us last week, Mick.  about your feeling that other people sort of took you for granted... especially when it came to taking care of the grandchildren.
Mickorod Renard: as though a veil had been lifted
Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: this seems to be an emancipation from that, perhaps.
Bruce Mowbray: a clearing, a freeing up...
Bruce Mowbray: of course, it could also be a realization of the great richness involved in your taking responsibility for your grandchildren.
Mickorod Renard: yes, maybe I had had a spell of negativity and this was the pulling out from it?
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps, yes.
Bruce Mowbray: but only you can decide that...
Mickorod Renard: yes, I can feel a much more rewarding feeling from this dream
Bruce Mowbray: What does an Alibaba clothes basket could look like?
Mickorod Renard: well, you know those baskets that snakes get charmed out of?
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh, of course.
Mickorod Renard: he he
Bruce Mowbray: I thought you might be referring to the Chinese retail company, Alibaba.
Mickorod Renard: ahh yes
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Mickorod Renard: well there we have it
Mickorod Renard: I have an extra weird one for another week that i had the other night
arabella Ella: i think he means a sort of wicker style shopping basket with holes all along vertically and horizontally?
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.google.com/search?q=Alib...h=522&dpr=1.25
Agatha Macbeth: That bell sounds like someone dropping a metal pipe

--BELL—

Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it really does, aggers.
Mickorod Renard: well, more like one that looks like rope spiraling up to a cone
Agatha Macbeth: Xira :)
Xirana Oximoxi: good evening all :)
Qt Core: Hi Xir
Agatha Macbeth: Hola guapina
Mickorod Renard: Hi Xir
Xirana Oximoxi: hola guapina :))
Bruce Mowbray: heya, Xir.
Xirana Oximoxi: I am late...I am sorry
Mickorod Renard: You are welcome to a copy of the dream I submitted today Xir
arabella Ella: Hiya Sirana
arabella Ella: Xirana
Mickorod Renard: np
Bruce Mowbray: We've been discussing a fascinating dream that Mick has written out for us.
Mickorod Renard: so, anyone --  any news on other dreams?
Bruce Mowbray: it seems to be a dream of emancipation and opening... very optimistic
Bruce Mowbray: listens for other dreams....
Mickorod Renard: yes, it was a nice dream ..better than some recent anxiety dreams I have had
Bruce Mowbray: I've been thinking about dreams as a sort of "field" -- not like in the movie ‘Field of Dreams,’ though....
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: more of a "field" in the sense of field theory -- like electromagnetic field.
Mickorod Renard: ahh cool
arabella Ella: interesting
Bruce Mowbray: I'm thinking that something within us attracts certain elements of each dream...
Bruce Mowbray: the way that a magnetic field might attract iron filings.
Mickorod Renard: like a tv screen?
Bruce Mowbray: but it is the predisposition in us (a sort of "magnetism" if you will) that actually attracts the dream elements and organizes them, constellates them
Bruce Mowbray: and this process works both ways:
Bruce Mowbray: in the production of the dream itself, the process goes one direction (the formulation of the elements into a pattern)
Mickorod Renard: I think I am with you Bruce
arabella Ella: go on Bruce pls
Bruce Mowbray: but in the analysis of the dream, it goes backward, toward the ‘organizing force.’
Bruce Mowbray: so, when we attempt to analyze the elements of the dream, what were actually looking for, it seems to me, is that organizing force.
Bruce Mowbray: any responses?
Mickorod Renard: well...I had drifted off thinking of old cathode ray tv screens
Bruce Mowbray: one of the questions I'm working on with this "field theory of dreams" is how randomized the various elements are...
Mickorod Renard: like strong magnets keep the stability
Bruce Mowbray: like before you apply the magnetic force, the various iron filings seem to be placed randomly in the area, but the electromagnetic force organizes them.
arabella Ella: are they really random or is that only how they manifest to us?
Bruce Mowbray: yes, that is exactly what I am asking, ara.
Bruce Mowbray: it may be the profound randomization of these elements that allows for all sorts of weird symbolism in dreams.
Bruce Mowbray: even the randomization of time and space.
arabella Ella cannot but agree ... mmmm
arabella Ella: precisely
Mickorod Renard: phew Bruce, I am gonna have to think that one out more
Bruce Mowbray: just an idea, though, one that occurred to me this morning as I was exchanging emails with Eliza.
arabella Ella: yes?
arabella Ella: is there more?
arabella Ella: pls go on
Bruce Mowbray: Our sleeping selves seem to have little resistance to the randomization....
Mickorod Renard: for sure, I look at mine ..often in the dream, and ask,,'where is all this s..t coming from?'
Bruce Mowbray: virtually anything can come in.
Bruce Mowbray: exactly!
Agatha Macbeth: Freud would know :p
Bruce Mowbray: but the really important thing is not how weird the randomized elements seem to be -- but rather how they get organized by the central organizing force.
Qt Core: i think in mine i see things/idea i had in the immediate previous days much more than a randomized choice of ideas
Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce, that is very interesting
Xirana Oximoxi: it happens a lot to me too..no idea where things come from...
Agatha Macbeth: Order out of chaos?
Bruce Mowbray: that central organizing force is what the analysis of dreams is aiming to get some understanding of, or am I completely off the wall now?
Xirana Oximoxi: immediate day readings or events are also usual
Bruce Mowbray: precisely, aggers!
Agatha Macbeth: Off the wall and in the cellar Brucie
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha
Mickorod Renard: he he
Bruce Mowbray: I really like the idea of field theories . . . especially when the fields intermingle and flow....
arabella Ella: it seems to me to be more chaos out of order in dreams
Bruce Mowbray: sort of like Heraclitus' river.
Mickorod Renard: now then, I have a pass for one hour on the net and will promptly drop out in a few mins
Bruce Mowbray: np.
Bruce Mowbray: I think were about to finish anyway, Mick.
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...mine are quite chaotic
Bruce Mowbray: does anyone have a quick final thought?
Mickorod Renard: kk
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Bruce Mowbray: well that was one final thought.  Any more?
Bruce Mowbray: :)
arabella Ella: Mick seemed to want to deflect us away from his dream but I think it reflects an interesting period of positive transition for him :)
Bruce Mowbray: I totally agree, ara.
arabella Ella smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Don't worry - be happy
Bruce Mowbray: and I am happy for him.
Bruce Mowbray: (snap)
arabella Ella: look out for positive opportunities Mick there are many in life
Mickorod Renard: will do Ara ty
Mickorod Renard: ty folks
Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie

--BELL—

Xirana Oximoxi: bye Bruce! :)
Mickorod Renard: i have some sex in the next dream
Bruce Mowbray: Thank you everyone. I'm going to scrape up supper now. Dream well!
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, do!
Qt Core: bye Bruce
Mickorod Renard: kk bye folks
arabella Ella: I will be off too good night to all sweet dreams 11pm here now
Agatha Macbeth: Have fun
Xirana Oximoxi: bye all :) sweet dreams :)
Qt Core: bye all
stevenaia Michinaga: waves bye to all
Mickorod Renard: bye bye folks take care
Agatha Macbeth: Well looks like that's it then
Agatha Macbeth: TC Micko
Agatha Macbeth: Oh hello Steve :p
Mickorod Renard: yeh, i paid for an hour here where I am staying
Agatha Macbeth: That was extremely bad timing
Mickorod Renard: so will get cut off in a mom
Agatha Macbeth: In a mom? Hehe
Mickorod Renard: Hi Steveie
Agatha Macbeth: Doing a Korel
Agatha Macbeth: And there he goes
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Agatha Macbeth: So how's things Steve?
stevenaia Michinaga: good, just finishing up WG meeting upstairs
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Oh you had it just?
stevenaia Michinaga: nods, before the weekend, some are off tomorrow
Agatha Macbeth: Ohh, right
Agatha Macbeth: Shame Liz couldn't be there
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
stevenaia Michinaga: hope she feels better
Agatha Macbeth: Hope she's better
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Agatha Macbeth: Teeth are awful things
Agatha Macbeth: Anyways
Agatha Macbeth: I'll awa the noo
stevenaia Michinaga: have a good weekend, maybe wee you on Sunday at teh 2:00
Agatha Macbeth: Yes you too
Agatha Macbeth: Be well
stevenaia Michinaga: thanks, you too