Adams Rubble: Good morning Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: welcome to today, Adams
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: there are going to be maintenance people coming to my RL house sometime this morning so I might have to go
Adams Rubble: also I won't be able to make Thursday this week
Riddle Sideways: thanks for telling
Riddle Sideways: both thanks for telling
Riddle Sideways: just noticing your necklace
Riddle Sideways: Sailing Away
Adams Rubble: yes
Riddle Sideways: a telescope, glad it is not one of those loud whistles
Adams Rubble: hehe
Lynching Exhibition
Riddle Sideways: Spent an hour at the Lynching exhibit yesterday
Adams Rubble: ohhh
Riddle Sideways: won't say that a Fun time was had
Riddle Sideways: Sobering
Adams Rubble: you look like you survived it
Adams Rubble: yes, very difficult exhibition
Riddle Sideways: very thought provoking
Riddle Sideways: very shaming
Adams Rubble: I hope not shaming
Adams Rubble: but desire to understand
Riddle Sideways: meant shame not sham (speeling chalenged
Shaming was correct Riddle.
Riddle Sideways: Adams must have spent so much time in it. The book, collecting, setting up
Riddle Sideways: to be in those memories for a long period
Adams Rubble: yes, he had to work in shifts--would be overcome with emotion and have to stop
Riddle Sideways: right, that was what would happen
Riddle Sideways: only spent an hour and was overcome
Riddle Sideways: then the mind wandered to other horrors
Riddle Sideways: Oh, liked the ends of the bench also
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: he worked the Cross in there
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: was going to have other crucifixions but they seemed superflouous
Riddle Sideways: the Sunday night pizza TV night here is watching "The West Wing"
Adams Rubble: is there a new one or is it the old one?
Riddle Sideways: it is very good, but 10 years old
Adams Rubble: ahhh
Adams Rubble: much better situation than we have now
I wonder aloud about Eden
Adams Rubble: is eden going to be here today?
Riddle Sideways: not sure. can't remember any notice, but ...
Riddle Sideways: going off to look
Adams Rubble: I will claim just in case--she can override
Adams Rubble has taken control of the controls
Adams Rubble: bwaaaahaha
Riddle Sideways: thanks
Riddle Sideways: giggles
Riddle Sideways: log says moving out of summer Sunday, but no need for Eliza to take chat
Riddle Sideways: and going to vote
Adams Rubble: that's good because Eliza is not here :)
Riddle Sideways: looks around
Riddle Sideways: right
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: (back to tv) so they had a big mucky muck general
Riddle Sideways: that was explaining War crimes and
Riddle Sideways: US can't be held to any big UN/world court. us'ens is too big to be judged by others
Riddle Sideways: hitting the pause button to discuss that
And then Eliza joins us
Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
Riddle Sideways: reminded that Mr.T has the same views just days ago
Eliza Madrigal: Hello :)
Riddle Sideways: looks around, sees Eliza now
Adams Rubble: Eden isn;t here yet but I have the log
Riddle Sideways: Hi
Eliza Madrigal: Sorry to be late, great
Adams Rubble: I may have to leave early if workmen come
Eliza Madrigal: She mentioned voting today
Eliza Madrigal: but thought she'd make it
Adams Rubble: we need some voting in our land
Riddle Sideways: and would be unloading the camels
Eliza Madrigal: lots
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)))
Eliza Madrigal: workman, Adams?
Adams Rubble: yes coming to make sure the heater will work through the winter
Adams Rubble: seems hard to comprehend right now
Riddle Sideways: good thing to check
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle brings us back to topic with Ethnic Cleansing, War Crimes and Crimes aginst Humanity
Riddle Sideways: the topic being avoided today might have been approaching Ethnic cleansing
Riddle Sideways: war crimes, crimes against humanity
Riddle Sideways: happy fun stuff
Eliza Madrigal: hard to find words not to avoid
Adams Rubble: I am afraid the new exhibit is getting to people
Riddle Sideways: and how many one country can say that they can't be judged by another
Eliza Madrigal: "feedback"?
Adams Rubble: no much but Riddle visited
Riddle Sideways: a sobering exhibit
Adams Rubble: and an awful Supreme Court nominee
Riddle Sideways: that would over balance a court for years/a generation
Eliza Madrigal: so many people in my life don't seem to panic in the ways I want them to
Adams Rubble: anyone see John Oliver's segment of the nominee? https://www.facebook.com/LastWeekTonight/videos/110748963139017/?t=0
Riddle Sideways: exactly Eliza
Riddle Sideways: not yet, probably tonight will be light comedy night
Eliza Madrigal: I really feel these shifts are trying to make way for very fundamental changes and try to keep us with Trump, or Trump-like, for many many years
Riddle Sideways: SNL did a thing
Eliza Madrigal: I saw the opening for SNL, and the Pulp Fiction brilliant little pice
Eliza Madrigal: piece*
Adams Rubble: Oliver is better
Eliza Madrigal: but not Oliver yet
Riddle Sideways: Colbert lost it and became no so funny
Adams Rubble: it is pretty scary
Riddle Sideways: like looking back at a time lynchings happened
Eliza Madrigal: I'm starting to get over my disbelief that we've found ourselves here
Adams Rubble: some people consider the number of blacks in prison a form of 21st century lynching especially considering what Kavannah got away with
Riddle Sideways: does "get over" mean numb?
Eliza Madrigal: I think there have been stages... so un-numb, even though I feel I'm working very hard not to slip into denial
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: yes, Both
Eliza Madrigal: Have you seen "13th"? the film?
Adams Rubble: no
Riddle Sideways: not yet
Eliza Madrigal: It makes the case about the prison system very well, very clearly
Eliza Madrigal: especially re private prisons
Riddle Sideways: take the males of some hated race out of the population
Adams Rubble: ohh, the private prisons kept full of detainees to maximize profits
Adams Rubble: makes my blood boil
Eliza Madrigal: we have an amendment on the ballot that is very important, but few think it will pass....so discouraging
Eliza Madrigal: it is about restoring voting rights to non-violent felons
Eliza Madrigal: since FL has a very screwy way of making people try to get their rights back
Riddle Sideways: you have a hard state to pass things like that
Eliza Madrigal: Oliver did a piece about it too, but I don't think many are paying attention
Adams Rubble: I saw that
Eliza Madrigal: this state is... ugh, but we have a good governor candidate this year
Adams Rubble: wish him luck
Eliza Madrigal: I will go see the exhibit today or tomorrow, Adams. Couldn't have given it the attention it deserved over the weekend
Riddle Sideways: Activist friend in west palm is getting too old/sick to get out there and help
Eliza Madrigal: *deserves
Adams Rubble: if you need to take it in stages that is OK
Adams Rubble: Dubrovna needed to take beraks putting it together
Eliza Madrigal: thanks... I'm being careful, as can be
Adams Rubble: it is something we all should know--hard to believe it has been forgotten by so much of the country
Riddle Sideways: dirty little secrets
Riddle Sideways: only knew about the white kids in the 60's
Eliza Madrigal: I grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood but went to private schools... so had many friend groups and experiences, but all sort of, primers
Eliza Madrigal: Kavanaugh is so familiar to me from the churches I was in when young
Adams Rubble: familiar to me as well - bully as well as sexual abuser
Eliza Madrigal nods
Adams Rubble: knew lots of bullies growing up
Riddle Sideways: a long time judge that does not know to answer a Yes/No question
Adams Rubble: and those feeling everything was theirs by right
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: well it has been
Adams Rubble: and no compassion at all
Eliza Madrigal: lots of 'faith' but no compassion
Eliza Madrigal: ew
Adams Rubble: he likes beer
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I have a photo of Dr. Ford on my wall now, above my computer
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: she has a pab halo over her head, sort of, in the image of her taking the oath
Eliza Madrigal: (clock)
Eliza Madrigal: https://theintercept.com/2018/09/27/live-christine-blasey-ford-brett-kavanaugh-testify/
Riddle Sideways: too bad the "Believe" on palms will wash off
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: contrasting a PaB clock halo vs his nametag the says "The Honorable"
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps the scariest part is the feeling of a train you can't stop... had a glimpse of the whole agenda 30 years ago, in the churches I was still attending then
Eliza Madrigal: but I didn't imagine it would actually keep traction
Eliza Madrigal: saw the agenda to install judges in high places, to put people into law
Eliza Madrigal: it is what scared me away, but maybe too many left
Riddle Sideways: was easier to see in FL
Adams Rubble: Jimmy Carter left finally
Eliza Madrigal: think so, Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: when living there, it was an always undercurrent
Riddle Sideways: not blantant like other states and not hidden like others
Eliza Madrigal: interesting.. have been here my whole life and things have changed around me, so I probably don't have the strongest contrasts
Eliza Madrigal: I'm very surprised by how strong the Cuban community's support is of Trump's agenda.. they really feel like the system he has in mind is fair and no threat...
Eliza Madrigal: or many do
Eliza Madrigal: they think of 'liberals' as not being grateful
Riddle Sideways: Miami is an entirely different
Eliza Madrigal: it is hard to have discussions like that
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Riddle Sideways: yes
Eliza Madrigal: And one holds a value of 'dropping identifications' but it is also necessary to speak in these categories now
Eliza Madrigal: to understand
Eliza Madrigal: I don't know. Fix it for us. :))
Adams Rubble: I hate to put in another plug but that is why we need to understand the deep seated racism in this country
Eliza Madrigal: you're 100% right
Riddle Sideways: sings "but I don't know what to do, so I leave it up to you"
Adams Rubble: we can vote and help others to vote :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Adams Rubble: coming soon to a polling place near you
Riddle Sideways: calling people in other states to get out the vote
Adams Rubble: that went fast
Eliza Madrigal: it did
Riddle Sideways: was listening to Marty Balin songs over the weekend
Riddle Sideways: "We are Volenteers of Amerika..."
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: which has a long section of "Fight Back"
Riddle Sideways: repeated
Eliza Madrigal: Nice, getting energized
Adams Rubble: some sessions we seem to be getting ourselves ready for the revolution :)
Eliza Madrigal: "Sounds true" did a series of talks over the last week, and it was a cross of 'spiritual teachers' and 'activists'... many people saying "Stop not getting involved due to your own sense of staying in good vibes."
Riddle Sideways: oh dear
Eliza Madrigal: asking the "I'm not political" spiritual people to re-examine
Adams Rubble: It depends how and why we are getting involved--if it is out of love or compassion for others, it is good for our "vibes" of course
Riddle Sideways: "you got to Stop Now, what's that sound, everybody look what's going on"
Eliza Madrigal: amen
Riddle Sideways: I'm mad as Hell, and I'm going to go love somebody with compassioni
Eliza Madrigal smiles!!!!!
Eliza Madrigal: That's the spirit
Stim and Wrath
Eliza Madrigal: Stim tried to clarify that wrath was appropriate sometimes
Adams Rubble: brb
Eliza Madrigal: one of my top 5 pab/kira discussions, which confused me greatly at the time
Eliza Madrigal: now I see it, it is our time
Riddle Sideways: do you have a link?
Eliza Madrigal: I will try to find that today
Riddle Sideways: thanks
Eliza Madrigal: it may have been a WoK
Eliza Madrigal: which didn't always keep chat records
Eliza Madrigal: but that's the feeling... Stim talked about wrath without anger, I think it the way it was discussed... or without disconnecting from love
Eliza Madrigal: can't do it of one's own ego/strength of will
Riddle Sideways: yes
Riddle Sideways: the whole non-violent teachings, trainings
Riddle Sideways: stuck with that photo of her putting the stem of a flower into his rifle barrol
Adams Rubble thinks of wrathful deities
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, wow, yes
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: Marianne Williamson said, "You think those people in Selma were not 'traumatized'?" Meaning, we can't use that as an opt-out
Eliza Madrigal: I don't know. But thank you.
Adams Rubble: thank you
Riddle Sideways: well we know, bbut it is hard
Riddle Sideways: thank you
Riddle Sideways: needed this
Adams Rubble: yes very hard
Adams Rubble: do the best we can--always a muddle
Riddle Sideways: going to go call some old friends
Eliza Madrigal: *deep bow* (even though it looks like I'm strutting around in this AO)
Adams Rubble: okidoke
Riddle Sideways: okidoke
Eliza Madrigal: keep each other awake
Eliza Madrigal: we all are *keeping
Adams Rubble: have a good day
Riddle Sideways: need to take the garbage out and bring in the flowers
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: or vice versa
Adams Rubble: see you soon :)
Adams Rubble: shhhh
Riddle Sideways: add clean water to the drained swamp
Riddle Sideways: ha, sit on the lotus
Adams Rubble: couple of more years until we can do that
Adams Rubble: work on Congress first
Adams Rubble: hehe
Adams Rubble: bye :)
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This is not the log Riddle asked me to find (haven't been able to find that, just references to the discussion), but it is relevant to the idea.
We missed you. :)