2018.10.30 07:00 - dark side point of Views

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

    Riddle Sideways: good morning, you made it ㋡
    Adams Rubble: Good morning Riddle :)
    Adams Rubble: busy morning
    Riddle Sideways: imaging it is
    Riddle Sideways: a long drive in the car car
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: stop and go
    Adams Rubble: stop and go slowly
    Adams Rubble: go slowly and speed up and then stop
    Riddle Sideways: the thrill of traffic

    Adams Rubble: there was an appearance of the early morning sunshine through the trees on the side of the road
    Riddle Sideways: beauty amid the traffic
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: sunbeams

    Adams Rubble: Happly Halloween Eve :)
    Adams Rubble: boo
    Riddle Sideways: was just reviewing the many times of seeing something like those sunbeams
    Riddle Sideways: O HHHH!
    Riddle Sideways: ya scary
    Riddle Sideways: bought some candy yesterday
    Riddle Sideways: never have kids come up all the stairs, but might this year
    Riddle Sideways: then in a couple days, will eat all the M&Ms
    Riddle Sideways: and be sorely sugar highed
    Adams Rubble: we are on a side street and they never used to come but showed up in big numbers last year--maybe it is the economy
    Adams Rubble: or more kids
    Riddle Sideways: or a third thing
    Adams Rubble: or sugar craved kids
    Adams Rubble: choco-holics

    Riddle Sideways: like the bird feeder syndrome. can be empty for days, 7 minutes after filling ALL the birds know and come
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: and the squirrels
    Riddle Sideways: and the ants to a spill
    Riddle Sideways: there just has to be communication levels that the arrogant humans don't get
    Adams Rubble: they certainly don't get the trees
                   --BELL--


    Riddle Sideways: played a birthday-Halloween party over the weekend
    Riddle Sideways: everybody costumed up
    Riddle Sideways: a couple that was Trump and Stormy
    Riddle Sideways: so many pirates
    Adams Rubble: aye Matey!
    Riddle Sideways: the band all wore long wigs to pretend we still had hair like the ol days
    Adams Rubble starts thinking of metaphorical pirates attacking when she is metaphorically sailing
    Adams Rubble: ha!
    Adams Rubble: Kleshas the pirates
    Riddle Sideways: arrrrr bewarrry o da pirateeees matey
    Riddle Sideways: Thar be Pirates
    Adams Rubble: a whole new theme to play with
    Riddle Sideways: yes!
    Riddle Sideways: work with/at/around that
    Adams Rubble: off to the starboard thar be anger approaching
    Riddle Sideways: that dualism principle
    Adams Rubble: man the starboard cannons
    Riddle Sideways: if ya got one then ya gotz the other
    Adams Rubble: :)

    Riddle Sideways: spent much time last night trying to understand the dark side
    Adams Rubble sings you can't have one, you can't have one, without the other
    Riddle Sideways: Doris Day?
    Adams Rubble: Frank Sinatra
    Riddle Sideways: she still lives down the road about 8 miles
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Frank has crossed to the other side
    Adams Rubble: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRDBvKGc1fE
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Riddle Sideways: thanks, looked that up also
    Adams Rubble sways to the music
    Adams Rubble taps foot
    Riddle Sideways: yes, happy light song
    Riddle Sideways: what this day needs
    Adams Rubble: we came a long way from your gig
    Adams Rubble: pirates will do that
                   --BELL--

    Riddle Sideways: there were many mentions/quotes of "both sides think the other side is wrong, hateful, anger, etc."
    Riddle Sideways: and that the personal listening channel was only presenting what it that was the one side
    Riddle Sideways: so, tried hard to find that other side
    Riddle Sideways: and listen
    Riddle Sideways: Fresh Air did a good job

            https://www.npr.org/2018/10/28/66163...nagogue-shoote


    Riddle Sideways: they interviewed the almost white nationalist guy that wrote a book reviewed in Sept
    Riddle Sideways: as to the language being used
    Riddle Sideways: this fountain has heard this before
    Adams Rubble: the fountain has hear much
    Riddle Sideways: personal data collected brings us what we might want to heard next
    Riddle Sideways: very hard to hear the other side or even natural
    Riddle Sideways: chatters that get kicked off FB, go to another site  (StormFront)
    Riddle Sideways: and listeners follow over there
    Riddle Sideways: some got to rough for that site
    Riddle Sideways: so they went to an even more 'allowed' (aloud) social media place    (Gab)
    Riddle Sideways: and a guy listens over and over to it

    Adams Rubble: Maybe we need to see through the hateful speech to the vulnerable person behind it
    Riddle Sideways: becomes his only source
    Adams Rubble: the person who is hurting
    Riddle Sideways: Yes! was thinking that
    Adams Rubble: the person who needs to attack others to make him/her self seem more important
    Riddle Sideways: buys into all the rhetoric
    Riddle Sideways: well, not quite attacking to importantize Self
    Adams Rubble: when the speech is hate speech we should not be condoning it
    Riddle Sideways: listening to all the stuff about that 'Others' are doing gernocide to His people
    Adams Rubble: hard to love the person behind it but must do our best to bring up some compassion from the deepest recesses of our hearts
    Riddle Sideways: yes, was trying to go there. tried to understand their view point
    Riddle Sideways: very hard
    Adams Rubble: yes, very hard
    Adams Rubble: I think the answer is beyond their viewpoint
    Riddle Sideways: See, they Actually Know that Jews are evil and running the World
    Riddle Sideways: they Actually Know that imigrants are killing Our people
    Riddle Sideways: They have to fight back to save Their people. They become soldiers on the front lines
    Adams Rubble: the sounds of ignoranc
    Adams Rubble: ignorance
    Riddle Sideways: probably not to be more important selves
    Riddle Sideways: but as soldiers in The Cause
    Adams Rubble: the "I" running amuk
    Riddle Sideways: amuk
                   --BELL--
    Adams Rubble: It is not their speech we need to understand but the hurting person behind it
    Adams Rubble: people
    Adams Rubble: they were once babies born without hate--it had to be taught to them
    Adams Rubble: then condoned by a leader of the country


    Riddle Sideways: if ones point of view switched
    Riddle Sideways: and through their eyes looked at the hate being pointed at them
    Riddle Sideways: looking over their enemy lines at soldiers that really truely Hate him and Must be killed before they kill anymore of His kind

    Adams Rubble: I must confess something Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: ?
    Adams Rubble: you help me clarify my thoughts
    Riddle Sideways: oh dear
    Adams Rubble: like through soft pitches to a batter
    Adams Rubble: throwing :)
    Adams Rubble: I very much thank you

    Riddle Sideways: sorry, not really trying to do that. just working through mental cobwebs on this end
    Adams Rubble: Yesterday I was saying that I can not understand these people
    Riddle Sideways: yes, said that too
    Adams Rubble: do not have to try to understand their speech
    Adams Rubble: must go beyond to the person hurting doing bad things
    Adams Rubble: love the person not the things
    Adams Rubble: so simple, so hard
    Riddle Sideways: so hard


    Riddle Sideways: well, what started down that path was the language used
    Adams Rubble nods
    Adams Rubble: awful language
    Riddle Sideways: coded wordages
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: awful things being done
    Adams Rubble: a real crisis
    Riddle Sideways: nationalism (good word) means to many White Nationalism
    Riddle Sideways: as Derek Black's father coined it
    Adams Rubble: nationalism is an "I" word
    Riddle Sideways: arg, can't get the link over here
    Riddle Sideways: Fresh Air yesterday, Eli Saslow
            (found and pasted above)
    Riddle Sideways: or not
    Riddle Sideways: it does little for peace of mind
    Riddle Sideways: some clarity though


    Riddle Sideways: women's I-Help dinner was last night
    Riddle Sideways: there was not a Jew among the women, so they were very interested
    Riddle Sideways: asking about why are we hated
    Riddle Sideways: so much
    Riddle Sideways: how does one answer that?
    Adams Rubble: ouch
    Adams Rubble: why would they ask that?
    Riddle Sideways: they had heard of the shootings
    Riddle Sideways: even they, who have so many personal issues to work through/around/about wanted to know of others
    Riddle Sideways: little ol lady on a walker, patting my arm "you're a good boy, why would anybody not like you?"
    Adams Rubble: ohhh--that is bizarre
    Riddle Sideways: in a way., it is not
    Riddle Sideways: so explored that landscape
    Riddle Sideways: go past the platitudes
                   --BELL--
    Riddle Sideways: that guy did not know or want to get to know those 2 nice 58yr old brothers Rosenthal
    Riddle Sideways: only that they were a symbol
    Riddle Sideways: a dis-ease
    Riddle Sideways: why/how did he come to think that?
    Adams Rubble: he was taught that
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Riddle Sideways: what school was that?

    Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must run at a bad time
    Riddle Sideways: yes, ya gotz things to do, explore and teach
    Adams Rubble: The school of hate and the school of "I vs Them"
    Riddle Sideways: ㋡
    Riddle Sideways: go have your best time
    Adams Rubble: a little person standing here by me
    Riddle Sideways: /waves
    Adams Rubble: I hope you have a good couple of days and we can continue Thursday
    Adams Rubble: by for now
    Riddle Sideways: will try hard to be here
    Riddle Sideways: now
    Riddle Sideways: and thanks

     

    PS.  please allow one...
    Years of taking a 9-sec break to connect elsewhere, then go back.
    Years of going outside, going other, Being and Playing there.
    Fun! Playing as a tree, as the rock, as the moon looking at earth, as Voyager leaving the Solar System, as a little kid, as a dead poet, playing in Great Time, toying with pretty great Wisdom and then to play as the mind of the soldier on the other front.
    Trying so hard to walk a mile in Those mocassins.

     

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