2018.10.09 12:00 - Dream Session: Means of Replenishing the Tigers

 

 

Eliza Madrigal: Missed you all. Have a productive break?

Agatha Macbeth: Muchos productivo

Zen (Zen Arado): don't know about productive I have been busy

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): likewise

Zen (Zen Arado): I'm doing two future learn courses

Agatha Macbeth: Will we have a dream back log?

Eliza Madrigal: two? which ones?

Zen (Zen Arado): one on the abdomen

Zen (Zen Arado): the other on digital accessibility

Agatha Macbeth: 'He made his home in...'

Eliza Madrigal: interesting, hm

Eliza Madrigal: back log, Agatha?

Zen (Zen Arado): I put my headset on but perhaps it was working better with the internal microphone of the Mac

Agatha Macbeth: A month's worth

Agatha Macbeth: Hello Raff

 

Eliza Madrigal: I do hope everyone has been logging over the break!

Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Raffi

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Raffi, ltns, welcome back :)

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): logging, as in cutting down trees? LOL

Agatha Macbeth: I'm a lumberjack, etc

Zen (Zen Arado): I start to see the same  themes coming up over and over again

Eliza Madrigal: as in "Captains log..."

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I sleep all night and I work all day :)

Raffila Millgrove: Hi Zen, Aggers, Eliza, Alma.

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Raffila

Zen (Zen Arado): I dress up in women's clothes and hang around in bars

Agatha Macbeth: You do?

Zen (Zen Arado): hhe he

Agatha Macbeth: Always knew I liked you for a reason

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): only in SLK

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): SL

Agatha Macbeth: Yeh Belfast can be a bit rough for that kinda thing

Eliza Madrigal thinks of Breakfast on Pluto

 

Eliza Madrigal: Today, maybe we can go around and each check in or remark on dream lives, or developments, or pressing questions?

Zen (Zen Arado): not many lumberjacks around Belfast

Agatha Macbeth: Er

Agatha Macbeth: If you want, but mine will be exceedingly brief

Eliza Madrigal: we did exchange a few emails, but only between those attending just before we took a break

Eliza Madrigal: we can just briefly shares what comes to mind, okay? I'll send an IM to catch up late arrivers

Agatha Macbeth: Ok

Eliza Madrigal: Alma, would you like to start?

Zen (Zen Arado): I might have to leave early because someone is on holidays before me on the run

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :) Will send you an IM

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): um...

Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Tura

Tura Brezoianu: Thanks, Sorry late.

Eliza Madrigal: no worries :)

 

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): it's been hard to maintain dream practice, beyond just recording my dreams

Agatha Macbeth: Yay here she is

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'm kind of struggling just to keep remembering a couple of dreams each night

Raffila Millgrove: hey Tura.

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): seems like other things in my life just keep crowding out the dream work

Zen (Zen Arado): a couple is good!

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): but I did have a couple of short lucid moments

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): which I shared in an email

Agatha Macbeth: I remember

Eliza Madrigal: So quality-wise, you are still doing well, considering how much RL is demanding?

Zen (Zen Arado): Yes

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): well, I'm still hanging in there, hoping that things will ease up and give me a chance for better focus in coming weeks

 

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: thanks

Eliza Madrigal: Zen, want to go next, since you may need to leave early (hope not)?

Zen (Zen Arado): okay sure

 

Zen (Zen Arado): I started experimenting with Lucidesc  just after we stopped

Zen (Zen Arado): to take a capsule every three days and I did that for two weeks

Zen (Zen Arado): my dreams certainly became far more vivid and they seemed  longer and I can remember them better

Agatha Macbeth wonders when Zen will start on acid

Zen (Zen Arado): I did have some semi-lucid moments but not where I was in control  or  anything

 

Zen (Zen Arado): yes I wonder if there is any relation ship to LSD?

Zen (Zen Arado): Maybe a milder form?

Agatha Macbeth: Ask Tim Leary

Agatha Macbeth: Oh he's dead

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): ask him in a dream

Agatha Macbeth: Yeh

Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure there is some, but more like an alternative avenue perhaps

Eliza Madrigal: That's actually great advice :)

Agatha Macbeth: Or Abi Hoffman

Zen (Zen Arado): I find I get a bit tired if I dream too much so I kind of  ration  the tablets

Agatha Macbeth: You could levitate trump then or something

Zen (Zen Arado): my eyes get sore – I wonder if that's from too much REM sleep?

Raffila Millgrove: LSD is now being used for hospice patients and there's some serious studieds going on it.

Eliza Madrigal: yes

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I've read that marijuana tends to suppress REM activity, but that's the extent of my knowledge of drug/dream interactions

Agatha Macbeth: Good news

Eliza Madrigal: that's what I found too, that I was groggy if I used the supplements more than a few days in a row

Raffila Millgrove: you also tried this lucid supplement Eliza?

Zen (Zen Arado): Yes I think it's best to use them for a week and then maybe stop again

Eliza Madrigal: Maybe it just helps us to glimpse some of 'what we're looking for' as we do dream practices and meditate

Zen (Zen Arado): I think my dreams continued to be stronger even after stopping

Eliza Madrigal: I have used one called Galatamind

Eliza Madrigal: which now is ridiculously expensive unfortunately

Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like a planet

Tura Brezoianu: I've been inspired to get some Lucidesc myself. The order arrived recently but I haven't tried it yet.

Eliza Madrigal: there are two substances... galantamine and cho...(?)

Zen (Zen Arado): we leave the talking stick here :-)

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I've tried galantamine, and it has had some strange effects

Tura Brezoianu: (notes Galatamind)

Eliza Madrigal: Oh, sorry Zen

Zen (Zen Arado): we need I mean :-)

Agatha Macbeth: Mr Sulu lays in a course...

Eliza Madrigal: :) Please go on Zen

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala) listens

Zen (Zen Arado): I've gotten used to be able to talk for a while on my own :-)

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Zen (Zen Arado): not that I'm saying anything very important

Agatha Macbeth: At least you're guaranteed an intelligent convo

 

Zen (Zen Arado): anyway, after recording dreams for almost a year now I'm finding a lot of recurring themes

Agatha Macbeth: Interesting

Zen (Zen Arado): but every now and then I get an unusual dream

Zen (Zen Arado): done

 

Eliza Madrigal: thanks :) And for sharing your experiment so far

Agatha Macbeth: The Zen files

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Raffila Millgrove: will you cotinue to take the lucid Zen.. on and offish?

Zen (Zen Arado): oh yes I might take some next week again

Zen (Zen Arado): I think if I take two tablets a week for a week every now and then  that might do

Raffila Millgrove: is it chhanging the content.. the nature of the dreams? or just giving you more vividness. more color or details?

Zen (Zen Arado): I think I have had some more unusual dreams perhaps

Raffila Millgrove: ah.  ty

Zen (Zen Arado): I'll have to record which nights I'm taking the tablets

Eliza Madrigal: I think you're right that afterward, a night or two after taking them, there is still effect sometimes

Zen (Zen Arado): you take one every three days

Eliza Madrigal: ah, ok

Eliza Madrigal: Tura, are you ready to check in? :)

Zen (Zen Arado): so I could take one on Monday and then another on Thursday and then leave things while

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: We can come back

Tura Brezoianu: Yes, I can say a bit

 

Tura Brezoianu: I didn't remember any dreams while in Japan. After returning I had a few dreams that were vague rehashes of fragments of the Japan trip, but nothing coherent enough to write down.

Agatha Macbeth: Aww

Tura Brezoianu: Here's a dream I had last week.

Tura Brezoianu: I was in the army, a new recruit. I don't know why, the dream didn't fill that in.

Tura Brezoianu: We, that is, me and a lot of other new soldiers, had gathered together to go out on some sort of duty.

Tura Brezoianu: I had to pack, and it appeared that we needed to have ammunition, and I had some but wasn't sure if it was enough, and wasn't sure if I should buy some more.

Tura Brezoianu: I was getting behind with all of this preparation. Then someone accosted me, who seemed to have something to do with the army although he wasn't in uniform.

Tura Brezoianu: I don't remember our conversation, but he had noticed my inexperience, then he asked me, do you know who I am, and I said, I don't, you're not in uniform, and he seemed to be satisfied with that answer. But he didn't say who he was.

Tura Brezoianu: My unit was marching away in formation and I excused myself and ran to join them.

Tura Brezoianu: But then I got delayed by not having my boots on yet and by the time I'd got going I couldn't findthem.

Tura Brezoianu: I looked fruitlessly around the neighbouring streets.

Tura Brezoianu: The dream ended there.

 

Zen (Zen Arado): thanks Tura - drat I have to go

Eliza Madrigal: What did you feel about it? Relate it to?

Eliza Madrigal: Bye Zen!

Tura Brezoianu: Bye Zen

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): tc Zen

Agatha Macbeth: Be well Zenny

Raffila Millgrove: oh.  bye zen.  next week..  have a good one.

Agatha Macbeth: Don't get spaced out

Zen (Zen Arado): is offline.

Tura Brezoianu: It had the common theme about not knowing what I should be doing and travelling unprepared.

Eliza Madrigal: and someone disrupting your flow

Raffila Millgrove: does that mean it's reflecting anxities you are experiencing real time?  esp around travel?

Tura Brezoianu: I sensed that he was someone very senior but wasn't letting on who he was

Agatha Macbeth: Riddle :)

Tura Brezoianu: When I actually travel I make absolutely sure of all my arrangements, check them over and over, and leave a lot of time for unforeseen difficulties

Agatha Macbeth: Hey diddle diddle

 

Eliza Madrigal: regimented when traveling

Raffila Millgrove: You think Tura.. that as Eliza suggests that this sr. authority... does it represent a real person or what.  why's he in the dream?

Eliza Madrigal: it is interesting because I've had travel dreams where boots were the thing missing... perhaps they are representative of being well prepared

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I've had dreams about forgetting my shoes

Eliza Madrigal: foundation for everything else?

 

Tura Brezoianu: I think in RL I sometimes tend to be too ready to ask other people for help with a problem, before making my best effort to fix things myself.

Raffila Millgrove: oh so you were sort of thinking in this dream that maybe the sr guy could help in some way?

Tura Brezoianu: When I got lost chasing after the others, I thought of going back and asking him, then decided against that even if I couldn't find the rest of the group myself.

 

Raffila Millgrove: ah ha.  ty.  that explains him.

Eliza Madrigal: oh, that's interesting. Yes, you were out of step with the group

Eliza Madrigal: useful role for a dream, thank you Tura

Eliza Madrigal: Agatha, ready? Think of something to share?

Agatha Macbeth: Nope :p

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Okay, it is enough you are dressed like someone from a dream

Agatha Macbeth: Or a nightmare

Riddle Sideways: ㋡

Raffila Millgrove: I can share even tho I usually don't.  if you like?

Eliza Madrigal: :) yes please, was about to ask you Raffi

 

Raffila Millgrove: last night i dreamed I was playing a video game on my phone.. like sugar crush if you know that one?  So.. it was way complicated. I knew all the rules..and was going along pretty good with strategy and I finished the level and woke up...

Tura Brezoianu: An app for waking up!

Raffila Millgrove: and in that..  vague space between awake and asleep I suddenly say to self. Wait.  this is NOT a real video game.  that isn't anything I ever saw before.  and my other self says.. really. well you sure seem to know the rules and how to play well. you sure this wasn't a dream.

Raffila Millgrove: the end result on how i feel of this is.  A. very fascinating cause the game was so complicated and I Have no  idea how i could know how to play.. and B.  creepy.

 

Eliza Madrigal smiles at "my other self says..."

Eliza Madrigal: Why creepy exactly?

Raffila Millgrove: well.. how could you imagine a complicated game and play it.. in a dream.  that was so real that when you wake up you aren't sure what's real and what's not. i hate that stuff.  I see life as that way .. anyway.  a strangeness between real and fake all the time.

Eliza Madrigal: that makes sense

Eliza Madrigal: disorienting

Raffila Millgrove: what people believe to be true.. real.  suddenly they get new info.. new science and what they thought to be true.  NO it's not.  so truth is darn shaky as is reality.

Raffila Millgrove: as is reality.  both are very shaky and I had to accept that with age.. just ..accept their shakiness.

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the world we think we live in is an invention of our own minds

Raffila Millgrove: even tho I want hard truth and won't be getting it.  That's why I don't like a dream like this.  it's incredible ..r epresentation of the way of the world.  mysteries that won't be solved.

Eliza Madrigal: I see what you mean, yes...  functioning when you *know* how limited your knowledge is, is shaky

Raffila Millgrove: you play a game well that turns out to be a phantom game.  creepy.

Riddle Sideways: ha, Truth is shaky now too

Agatha Macbeth: Sounds just like SL

Eliza Madrigal: even the tools we've always relied on

Raffila Millgrove: totally.

Raffila Millgrove: very SL ish.

Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Raffi

Raffila Millgrove: done.

Raffila Millgrove: ty

Agatha Macbeth: Nice

Eliza Madrigal: Ready Riddle?

Riddle Sideways: somewhat ready

Eliza Madrigal: :)

 

 

Riddle Sideways: meant to have homework of summerizing the break done by 1pm, whoops so ...

Riddle Sideways: most of journal is None recalled

Riddle Sideways: then a bunch of oridinary life

Riddle Sideways: that is so hard to tell if awake

Riddle Sideways: will share one neat night tho

Eliza Madrigal: :)

 

Riddle Sideways: 3 separate during the night. 3 REMs.

Riddle Sideways: Tigers(5), some shelter-SPCA-non-profit(not a zoo)

Riddle Sideways: 1. tigers were not doing well, gave them many different Water things (tank,tub,stream,drinking,pan,hose,etc.). they all got better.  Each adopted one of the watering places in the middle of enclosure and did not leave it.

Riddle Sideways: 2. The place had to close (not sure why...  remodel? out of money? sold?), so took the enclosure and the 5 water things and the 5 tigers to my place (not sure where/what that place was).  Everything is fine, as long as each tiger had it's water place right next to the others.

Agatha Macbeth is a water tiger :p

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Riddle Sideways: 3. got a letter/notice/police(?) that dues had not been payed, so the tigers were being taken.  a.there was no other place for them, b.nobody else could nor would take care of them, c.I had used twice the dues money to feed, care and house them (which was what the dues would have been for).  It was astonishing that they would not realize/understand the logic of the dues going right to what the dues were meant to.  got so mad that awoke.

Riddle Sideways: = Interesting that the tigers from left to right were known, liked, etc. in that order.  so much so that the 1st could talk/converse and the last can not be described/seen.

Riddle Sideways: done

 

Agatha Macbeth: Paper tigers maybe?

Eliza Madrigal: such a neat dream

Eliza Madrigal: am curious if you feel a connection to tigers in particular normally?

Riddle Sideways: 3 dreams in one night on same subject

Riddle Sideways: or characters

Eliza Madrigal: ah, so you went back in, wow

Riddle Sideways: no special connection, except for Tigger

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Agatha Macbeth: Bouncy trouncy pouncy!

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): 3 chapters in one story

Eliza Madrigal: yes, nice

Riddle Sideways: yep, funny that

Eliza Madrigal: tigers make me think of vitality, but also potential dangers when hungry or untame

Raffila Millgrove: gosh that is a very good dream that you could really spend a lot of time thinking about.

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): have you seen "the life of Pi"?

Raffila Millgrove: I thought of that too Alma.

Riddle Sideways: listened to Audible of about half

Agatha Macbeth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYZ81x2CJF8

Riddle Sideways: thanks

Eliza Madrigal: oohhh, great connection

 

Eliza Madrigal: am curious to hear more of what you felt about it, or feel upon reflection Riddle

Riddle Sideways: but, there were 5 tigers

Eliza Madrigal: familiar and less and less

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): interesting that they are in such a sequence

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): from conscious to unconscsious

Riddle Sideways: yes, less and less, so that the last on right was just felt, not seen

Eliza Madrigal: and you have taken responsibility

Riddle Sideways: used the dues money to care for them

Riddle Sideways: the illogic of a Catch-22

 

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): maybe it is just one tiger, manifesting at different levels of awareness

Agatha Macbeth: Love that

Raffila Millgrove: 5 is a big number in japan to represent a family.. where Westerners package glasses or plates in 4 packs. they always did theirs in five packs.

Agatha Macbeth: 'Why Italy is great'

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes, the government must take your money from you so they can do exactly what you would have done with it

Raffila Millgrove: teapot and five cups.. not four.  Did you know this already Riddle. your tigers might be a family.

Riddle Sideways: did not know or remember

Riddle Sideways: did not seem to be a family

Riddle Sideways: just housed together

Raffila Millgrove: but they knew each other. they needed to be in their right order by each other.  they do have some relation to one another. ?

Eliza Madrigal: I really love that you took care of them... and the different kinds of water sources is fascinating too

Riddle Sideways: probably.   or they picked the watering feature that they liked in that order

 

Raffila Millgrove: I wonder why they needed the water. that seemed so important.

Riddle Sideways: seemed the old place did not give them water

Eliza Madrigal: as though if you gave water in a bucket to one, they wouldn't have been able to receive it, etc.

Riddle Sideways: they dried up

Eliza Madrigal: skillful means

Raffila Millgrove: ah ha.  yes i think you said you brought them back to vitality.

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): water is sometimes a symbol of spirit, feeling, or emotion

Agatha Macbeth: There's a hole in me bucket dear Eliza

Tura Brezoianu: the water of life?

Eliza Madrigal smiles @ Agatha

Agatha Macbeth: Aqua vitae

 

Eliza Madrigal: Hm, too many associations are flooding my mind to be able to comment anymore, hah

Agatha Macbeth: A brain wave

Riddle Sideways: ha! yes

Raffila Millgrove: very rich dream.  maybe when we see you again you will tell us what you thought.. in mulling it over more.

Riddle Sideways: too much in that one.   will pick one of the other simpler ones

Eliza Madrigal: good idea, everyone keep eyes open/make note for connotations

Raffila Millgrove: ooh no Riddle.  that complexity it was makes that dream so rich and maybe valuable.

 

Eliza Madrigal: we've come to the end for today, and I haven't prepared anything...

Eliza Madrigal: just thought it would be nice to connect again

Agatha Macbeth: Oh you

Eliza Madrigal: and it is :)

Raffila Millgrove: ah well you were our lovely host.. so that's a big contribution.  thanks.

Agatha Macbeth: It is

Agatha Macbeth: Snap

Riddle Sideways: whaaaa Eliza not prepared

Agatha Macbeth: There's a hole in her bucket

Raffila Millgrove: lol

Riddle Sideways: thanks, will now sing that song all day

 

Eliza Madrigal: was good that you could make it Raffi, have wondered how/where you've been

Eliza Madrigal: and everyone <3

Agatha Macbeth: ♥

Agatha Macbeth: I wondered how everyone had been

Raffila Millgrove: grieving ..all this time and it started here at the last dream session I went to in May.

Agatha Macbeth: Oh

Eliza Madrigal: :( I see

Raffila Millgrove: I had to leave quickly on seeing that a friend died.. looking up in google something zen said and it just spiralled out horrid. so I am glad to feel ok and be bak.

Eliza Madrigal: must honor that process, whatever it needs

Eliza Madrigal: hugs :)

Raffila Millgrove: ty.  very happy to see everyone again.

Agatha Macbeth: Likewise

Riddle Sideways: hugs

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): good to be back. hoping that the group will once again spur my dream life into heightened activity

Eliza Madrigal: YES!

Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully

Eliza Madrigal: it is good for things to rest periodically....

Eliza Madrigal: then a new layer settles in, nourishes

Eliza Madrigal: so now we can water again ? :))

 

Raffila Millgrove: it is. well i think I walk about an study San's work. I so admire her landscapes and she has done wonderfully well with this fall one.

Eliza Madrigal waves

Agatha Macbeth: BFN

Riddle Sideways: waves

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): be well everyone

Eliza Madrigal: bye for now :) Hope to see some of you Thursday

Agatha Macbeth: Have you an unstamped log? :p

Tura Brezoianu: bye all

Agatha Macbeth: TC

Eliza Madrigal: not yet but I'm gathering it now, ty Agatha

Eliza Madrigal waves warmly

Riddle Sideways: thank you all

Agatha Macbeth: Always best to check

Eliza Madrigal: appreciate it

Eliza Madrigal: thank you for being here Riddle

 

 

Riddle came back and we wandered a little, finding interesting objects about. :)